@Cleopatra88Did you use any topicals, could be a reaction or it could be your super sensitive. If Rullan did the procedure it was probably aggressive. It will go away with time, wear some makeup for now. They are wounds, ... so if you heal normally should be no problem, some take longer. Honey and aloe vera are very soothing. Don't exfoliate or use harsh products.

You can use retin a / differin/ tretinorin at night a few days after if you wish.

Regarding numbing cream - Amazon. Lots of items there. Suctioning hurts because your still raw and healing, perhaps hold off or not as long / hard till a few more days.Remember suctioning makes bruises at the subcised spots this is why makeup is essential unless you can hideout (dermablend).

@beautifulambition oh I'll definitely be hiding out. Lol. No I didnt use a topical. It looked like that since the night I got it, I think he was just probably aggressive.  It was very painful.  I'll definitely opt out on that option next time. And try to find the guts to do it at home hopefully. Just thinking about the pain makes me cringe. I'm very very sensitive to the touch, so when someone massages my back, it's pretty much just tickling it with their finger tips. Why I'm like that is beyond me . I cant believe I have to endure subcision  a few more times. Ahhhhhh.  People are lucky with high pain tolerances on here as far as their subcision journeys.  I'll try  to get some aloe vera. Maybe from a plant. It's so hard to find them . They're always sold out.  I have a health food store near by that may have some good bottled aloe vera though. Thank you for your insight

@beautifulambitionI wanted to mention somthing and get your opinion, when I had the subcicion done on my cheeks, I didnt hear the loud sounds like my forhead. It was more of a "feeling", like driving over a very bumpy road and I could feel the resistance he had to work with. Do you think that it was working or not? I thought I would hear the snapping in my cheeks, so I'm just worried that maybe it wont be as succesful???

Day 4 since subcision , will be suctioning for the 2nd day. Note that this is the morning, so may be morning swelling. I do see some scars resurfacing

@beautifulambition I found a picture of the tray of goodies the doctor used on my face. I cant tell what the needles are as they are still packaged. Can you?

@Cleopatra88 The forhead is the hardest to treat, no fat, thin skin, and more vascular. No idea what will work and won't we will know in several weeks. It takes 6 months to fully heal and 3 in order to be able to retreat. When the swelling, bruises, and wounds go away we will know more. I dunno if you should be suctioning yet. I still see wounds that need a bit more healing. Perhaps go light and not that long. Some of us just take longer to heal.

@beautifulambitionyikes I already have been suctioning! dang it. And there was an area that looks like rug burn now because it wasn't healed so I avoided it today while suctioning again. I'll definitely do vinegar soaks now . Thank you!!! I definitely see the ease in filler now after all this work. Lol. I will suction for the whole two weeks this time around though. I'll keep updating!

Did rullan advice that filler would be good along w your subcisions??

@Amp2695he said filler would he great, he knew that I was doing suction though and he encouraged it. He said that was a great option as well. As many people dont have the down time to suction. Seriously I dont want to walk out of the house till probably next weekend, and I had it done may 8th. Lol. When i talked about coming back for another subcision he said to do filler that time and also spoke of doing the tca cross. I'm going to try to get subcision and come back in to his office 3 to 4 days after for the filler if I'm still in town, otherwise I'll go somewhere in my city.

I'm very unsure of where tca cross could be performed on my face though as I dont have ice pick. Maybe he has another way of using it for other type scarring. Anyhow, he knows what hes doing so I trust him completely. Are you considering going to him @Amp2695?

@Cleopatra88yea I think I'm def gonna go see him mid june for a subcision and filler. I want to give my skin a break since i had an infini done march 30. STRONGLY RECOMMEND that if your gonna do tca cross, start off low % maybe 50% or something do not let hm do 100%, i believe you should build up to that strength. I wish someone would've told me this. my derm did tca 100% on a lot of icepicks about 10 weeks ago. idk how i feel about it, but DEF start off low.

I had the TCA cross with a well known doc for acne scars in London he did it just after the Dermapen and subcision on all of my scars and I have mostly rolling superficial scars.. 4 months later they are all healed (my skin was healing for maybe a month after all the procedures but I was back to work pretty much straight with some makeup) but I do not see any improvement from it .. I'm actually worried one box car scar got a bit deeper, so better invest in fillers..

17 minutes ago, Nina22 said:

I had the TCA cross with a well known doc for acne scars in London he did it just after the Dermapen and subcision on all of my scars and I have mostly rolling superficial scars.. 4 months later they are all healed (my skin was healing for maybe a month after all the procedures but I was back to work pretty much straight with some makeup) but I do not see any improvement from it .. I'm actually worried one box car scar got a bit deeper, so better invest in fillers..

so you didn't see improvements from tca cross? yea cross takes a long time to heal.

Yes, no improvement from all of it actually, I have only seen improvement with subcision and filler done on my medium deep scar in past.. And this is what I want to donext.. What about your RF needling - will you do it again?

@nina22@Amp2695 yikes. That makes me not want to do cross at all. And like I said, I dont really see where he would be using it on my face. It just seems like something I'd only really look into after my subcisions and microneedlings and peels. How about the rf though? Have you noticed any improvements yet @Amp2695

@Nina22@Cleopatra88ummm its too early to tell i have a thread going i started my scar fixing journey late feb. Since then I've had an intracel, infini, multiple prps. IDK yet all i know is that i would not get crossed again, but its only been 10 weeks, there were several guys who said it took about 8-9 months for the cross to fully heal. But I'm not giving up I'm gonna get multiple subcisions w fillers down the road, throw in some peels here and there, and see where I'm at later this year. @Nina22how much improvement did you see with the one submission and filler you got?

@Amp2695I looked at your profile and I want to say, the more I have studied and read, the more i believe in ba and Sirius reccomendations. Looking at your game plan sounds pretty good except the time frame. I think youd do more harm than good trying to shovel all the treatments in a short time frame. I would get aggressive subcision with only the best of doctors like Dr Rullan or Novick and get sculptra since it lasts so much longer and since your doing infini treatments. But i do think the suctioning with the first subcision is worth it if you can manage the down time. I'm suctioning 2 to 3 times a day for a little over 2 weeks as progressive retethering happens in the first 10 days and gradual redepression 7 days after that. I look forward to watching your journey despite what your plans are . P.s. your scarring looks just like my dads. Thanks to my genetics he passed that down damn it. Haha.

@Amp2695I talked about this in another post but I had one deeper scar subcised with a blunt cannula a year ago and heart some popping sound and then had it filled straight (there was almost no bleeding since cannula enters the skin few cm away from a scar) and then in a week time I had it filled again even more to level it out after swelling.. I got pretty impressive improvement maybe 90% for 4-5 months it became invisible and now after a year there is no filler left and I think it's still 50 % less deep.. In between I had another subcision done with Nokor on the same scar - this was like 4 months ago in London, the doc said it was still/again tethered a lot, (back then there was still a bit of filler left..) But after the Nokor subcision without filler I haven't seen much improvement it stayed the same - as I said overall still 50 % better than before. Also I had another 3 small scars subcised without filer and suction and seen no improvement. My next step is subcision with filler and really pray for some improvement like I observed for the very first time with cannula and HA filler..

1 hour ago, Cleopatra88 said:

@Amp2695I looked at your profile and I want to say, the more I have studied and read, the more i believe in ba and Sirius reccomendations. Looking at your game plan sounds pretty good except the time frame. I think youd do more harm than good trying to shovel all the treatments in a short time frame. I would get aggressive subcision with only the best of doctors like Dr Rullan or Novick and get sculptra since it lasts so much longer and since your doing infini treatments. But i do think the suctioning with the first subcision is worth it if you can manage the down time. I'm suctioning 2 to 3 times a day for a little over 2 weeks as progressive retethering happens in the first 10 days and gradual redepression 7 days after that. I look forward to watching your journey despite what your plans are . P.s. your scarring looks just like my dads. Thanks to my genetics he passed that down damn it. Haha.

yea that was when i was very ignorant to scars, but now my game plan is to get subcision plus filler every 3-4 months for about 3-4 sessions. no more RF micro needling i think.

44 minutes ago, Nina22 said:

@Amp2695I talked about this in another post but I had one deeper scar subcised with a blunt cannula a year ago and heart some popping sound and then had it filled straight (there was almost no bleeding since cannula enters the skin few cm away from a scar) and then in a week time I had it filled again even more to level it out after swelling.. I got pretty impressive improvement maybe 90% for 4-5 months it became invisible and now after a year there is no filler left and I think it's still 50 % less deep.. In between I had another subcision done with Nokor on the same scar - this was like 4 months ago in London, the doc said it was still/again tethered a lot, (back then there was still a bit of filler left..) But after the Nokor subcision without filler I haven't seen much improvement it stayed the same - as I said overall still 50 % better than before. Also I had another 3 small scars subcised without filer and suction and seen no improvement. My next step is subcision with filler and really pray for some improvement like I observed for the very first time with cannula and HA filler..

woow 90% id be so damn excited.were those results immediate? What kind of filler was it? yea i guess after the filler ran out the reattachment was weaker???

Yes, it was immediate due to the filler - I got Bellotero. I think cannula created a good pocket for it so the area got lifted nicely with the filler. On my other smaller scars where I didn't get subcision just the filler I got some donut effect or the filler just went away very quickly.. I think I eventually needed Nokor anyway to really cut through all the tethers.. But since I already heart popping with cannula I think it also helped to create enough space for the filler.. Some say cannula is too blunt to cut all the tethers for truly attached scars so hard to say.. Anyway this scar of mine was also ideal for subcision, I have other small ones and it is yet to be seen if I will get the same result there.. So we should not generalize. But I would definitely always add filler to my subcision unless youplan to repeat it very soon like the OP here, so it can be done after.

@Cleopatra88He wants to Cross you (Rullan) because he does a special forum of it (remember he's a trainer for peels and acids) where he works on small scars the harsh borders or individually derma braids them to be softer, even if you don't have icepicks.

Have him test spot treat a small area if you want to try it out before doing all the scarred areas.

Everything has long healing time. I see from this treatment your very sensitive, remind Drs this. Makeup/Dermablend is our friend.

BA

@beautifulambition, so in my cheeks, it feels very firm and numb still. I'm guessing it's from suctioning and pooling of the blood. By why is it numb still?

@beautifulambition, I want to add that the numbness is only where theres lumps or any kind of swelling left, so pretty much just where I've suctioned and is possibly a hematoma at this point.

@Cleopatra88Stop suctioning, .... let all lumps resolve themselves and your face heal. No more suctioning. You don't want to suction when there are lumps. Get some vitamin K

@beautifulambition well there's not really lumps per say, but just one big mass, like where the blood has all pooled. I guess I'm a bit confused because i thought that was the whole point in suctioning , to delay the healing process and keep the scar elevated as long as possible. My face looks almost completely normal as far as swelling. I would hate to stop suctioning and not reap the benefits but if you feel like it would cause more harm than good then ok. 

As you can see in this picture, even some depression has started coming back today

@Cleopatra88I am just thinking of your good, but continue suctioning while watching how you heal. Some get raised Hematomas and others Keloid. So if you think it's just under the skin and "hidden" then you can continue, just don't do it to long. You already have a formation to fill under the scars, that is the point of suctioning. IF you ever feel they are surfacing (bumps) or you are in pain, or the spot won't heal, just stop and let it resolve, then continue when you can again.

Yes of course some of the scar will come back, ... swelling made it hidden. You will have a percentage of improvement after each treatment. Filler helps a lot with predictability.

Bruising and bumps and some pain can be normal.

BA