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@AnxiousbeeYes it's ok to do the whole face, but there is a old saying, why fix something if it's not broken. If your skin is great on one part of your face, why do you need to microneedle it. Most are microneedling for a purpose, wrinkles, scars, pores, etc. Hypierpigmentation read below...
Thank you for your reply, beautifulambition (I almost called you Adam, lol). I do have issues with my skin all over, but inbetween there is some "healthy" skin, but these spaces are small. Also, some areas are more noticeable and problematic than others. I have quite a bit of damage, which mostly comes from a bad chemical peel I did several years ago. The damage includes indents/scars, hyperpigmentation, and uneven texture throughout. I am hoping to see improvements with the derminator.
For those using the derminator this is a good serum to add to imorove the scars
On 6/18/2017 at 7:30 AM, beautifulambition said:@machiavelli I think you missed the part where I said a sonicator is best or ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, and atoothbrush with alcohol, if we are talking about clean standards and sharp replace your needles every time like the hospitals do 😉 The needles are not stainless steel I believe, and are only made to be used 3 times or less, needles get dull quick, soa tablet with a "quick" soak and cleaning witch alcohol will do little (many peoples dentures have metal in them. To be clear metal rusts, do not leave them in any liquid, sonicator / ultrasonic is best, followed by alcohol and leaving to dry, The owner said they are single use so this is a diy solution.
I didn't miss it, I just addressed your suggested alternative which would damage the needles.
Yeah, using them only once is ideal, and since the cartridges are like $4 you'd have to be pretty cheap to reuse them, but since you're giving advice on cleaning them for reuse you shouldn't recommend denture tablets as a second or third best option.
Whether you're using ultrasound or not, you'll need to use a[n] [enzymatic] detergent to break up the proteins from in the blood, alcohol will not do this. Dishwashing liquid will do, moving it around vigorously in a tub. (A toothbrush might work, but hardness ratings aside, the density of the bristles on a toothbrush relative to the SWG of the cartridge needles makes me wonder if they could easily be bent however slightly. Err on the side of caution.). After that, submerge the cartridge in 60-80% ethanol for an hour. Flush with t he same. Alcohol will not rust stainless steel.
18 minutes ago, Anxiousbee said:Can 70% isopropyl alcohol be used to disinfect both the skin and the cartridges?
If you're using Iso for the cartridges you'd want to use 40%, beyond that you risk dissolving the glue that holds the needles in place and to a lesser extent the plastic (Depending on the plastic used, else we wouldn't be able to use plastic containers to store the stuff. I can't find information on the plastic the cartridges are made of and don't have one on hand to check for a marking)
You can dilute it down yourself. Basic ratios. Keep a lid on the container you're using to minimise evaporation.
Hi all,
I have another question or thought and would appreciate if anyone could sound in on it. I am a little concerned about potentially creating textural issues with my skin by using the derminator in the instructed circular motion.
The reason why I'm concerned is because I came across another electronic microneedling device called the rejuvastamp, and the makers claim that it does not do any damage to the skin. It is It is like an electric stamper where you just touch and lift into the areas rather than move in a circular or streaking motion. The company or spa that uses this machine, claims it gives more even pricking. On their website, they give a demonstration with pictures of a plasticine skin-model to show the effects of the different devices on the skin. (It can be seen here: [Edited link out]
It was actually frightening to see what circular movement causes texturally to the skin (assuming what happens to the plasticine will happen to the skin too). I understand that the derminator device should be moved in a circular motion on the skin, but seeing the plasticine pictures, I'm concerned about the gnawed up looking skin effect that was depicted on the model. I don't want my skin to end up with another problem down the line! I am also wondering if the derminator could be used more like an electric stamper on the slow speed if needed, in order to prevent this potential side-effect?
6 hours ago, machiavelli said:That's microtearing caused by a long duty cycle.
Owndoc did make a video about it here:
Thank you for the reply and video , but wouldn't the circular motion that the derminator (or any other microneedling pen), still result in the texture seen by the Rejuvapen demonstration? I'm just not certain it's all due to micro-tearing. The experiment by Owndoc also shows the device moving in a straight line, rather than in a circular way used on the skin.
@Anxiousbee I'm gonna order some plasticine to try this myself. I'll post the results/video some time next week.
@machiavelli Good idea, I look forward to the results of your experiment!
I just used my Derminator for the first time on my cheeks and a week later I broke out in this area when it had been clear for several months. So now I will have new scars to contend with. All I used for gliding purposes was saline solution and didn't use any products until hours later, and I just used Retin-A. Is this normal?
1 hour ago, Marie528 said:I just used my Derminator for the first time on my cheeks and a week later I broke out in this area when it had been clear for several months. So now I will have new scars to contend with. All I used for gliding purposes was saline solution and didn't use any products until hours later, and I just used Retin-A. Is this normal?
I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. I'm wondering if maybe Retin-A should not be used on the same day after using the derminator, but rather until you are more healed? (especially if you're going deeper with the needle length). Also, I'd like to know where you get the saline solution to use for gliding.
3 hours ago, Marie528 said:I just used my Derminator for the first time on my cheeks and a week later I broke out in this area when it had been clear for several months. So now I will have new scars to contend with. All I used for gliding purposes was saline solution and didn't use any products until hours later, and I just used Retin-A. Is this normal?
U probably had an infection.
I just microneedled my scars with just a dermastamp. I really like it more than the derminator. Dunno, i find the derminator dubious. I really don't know or can't see if it puncture the full needlelength that i want. I tested the single needle on paper at 2.25 mm and most of the time the needle did not puncture the paper. Also what i like more about the stamp is that you hear the scars tissue cracking (which is a good sign) while using the derminator you only hear the sound of the device. No one knows if it produce the cracking sound.
The dermastamp does hurt much more. I use the derminator without numbing cream and it is totally bareble to do. With the dermastamp i use a numbing cream and it still hurts like h!ll (how do some people use their stamp without numbing cream, don't get it).
This is not a bashing derminatorpost, if you do want to use it, just use it. This is just my opinion about the derminator 
On 2017-07-02 at 8:46 AM, Noa27 said:I just microneedled my scars with just a dermastamp. I really like it more than the derminator. Dunno, i find the derminator dubious. I really don't know or can't see if it puncture the full needlelength that i want. I tested the single needle on paper at 2.25 mm and most of the time the needle did not puncture the paper. Also what i like more about the stamp is that you hear the scars tissue cracking (which is a good sign) while using the derminator you only hear the sound of the device. No one knows if it produce the cracking sound.
The dermastamp does hurt much more. I use the derminator without numbing cream and it is totally bareble to do. With the dermastamp i use a numbing cream and it still hurts like h!ll (how do some people use their stamp without numbing cream, don't get it).
This is not a bashing derminatorpost, if you do want to use it, just use it. This is just my opinion about the derminator
Hmm...that's interesting since many people claim to really like the derminator and find it superior to using the dermastamp or rollers. What you said about the needle not always puncturing, is a bit concerning to me though. Maybe you could contact the manufacturer about this, since I don't think that's supposed to happen at all? I spent good money on this thing and I'm really hoping it works well for me!
On 6/30/2017 at 5:00 PM, Anxiousbee said:I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. I'm wondering if maybe Retin-A should not be used on the same day after using the derminator, but rather until you are more healed? (especially if you're going deeper with the needle length). Also, I'd like to know where you get the saline solution to use for gliding.
I just bought some saline rinse at CVS (first aid section) and used that.
On 6/30/2017 at 6:51 PM, Binga said:On 6/30/2017 at 3:33 PM, Marie528 said:I just used my Derminator for the first time on my cheeks and a week later I broke out in this area when it had been clear for several months. So now I will have new scars to contend with. All I used for gliding purposes was saline solution and didn't use any products until hours later, and I just used Retin-A. Is this normal?
U probably had an infection.
I'm not sure what you mean by "had an infection." I used a brand new needle head.
@machiavelli Any updates on your experiment?
19 hours ago, Binga said:20 hours ago, Marie528 said:I just bought some saline rinse at CVS (first aid section) and used that.I'm not sure what you mean by "had an infection." I used a brand new needle head.
sterilize it next time.
I haven't used the derminator and can't comment on if your bumps were caused by bacteria, but speaking from general infection control principals:
The cartridges come sterilized, I wouldn't try re-sterilizing, you'd be more likely to introduce bacteria from handling the sterilized part than removing any.
It's more likely that any offending bacteria has been introduced from your skin or hands (also covered in skin!) during treatment - remember that your skin and the environment is constantly covered in micro-organisms - I'd look at how you disinfected the area of skin prior to treatment, ensure you wash/disinfect your hands immediately prior to use (don't start touching other things and get them dirty again), and keep any touching of the needle cartridge and treatment area (including before, during and for a few hours after) to a minimum.
On 5/2/2017 at 7:51 AM, beautifulambition said:@keving100Thats great, see its just HA serum. IF you don't like the texture, you can try another after you use it up.I agree retin a / retinol / Epiduo / differin / isotrex whatever uses vitamin a and works for you.
Any site or links you can recommend where I can buy retin-a or the retinoid gel? like the 0.05% retin-a, or any retinol product and the HA serum and vitamin c serum in general that you can recommend.
@ern815It may be the country you live in, she does not sell to certain countries. You can get it used on ebay internationally or you can get a forward shipper service to send it to you. Also try http://owndoc.com to see if that one also does not work.