Is everyone using 9 needles or 1? I gathered from this thread that 9 is more common. however, in the instructions it says:

"Be patient do not expect that your stretchmarks, scars or wrinkles will fully disappear. ey will not disappear but they will become much less visible. Be patient and persevere! A dermaroller, dermastamp or Derminator 9-needle cartridge cant do this because it would make too many pricks in the good surrounding skin, damaging it."

So it sounds like 1 needle isrecommended. I find the instructions a bit confusing though.

On 8/5/2017 at 5:03 PM, alopama said:

Is everyone using 9 needles or 1? I gathered from this thread that 9 is more common. however, in the instructions it says:

"Be patient do not expect that your stretchmarks, scars or wrinkles will fully disappear. ey will not disappear but they will become much less visible. Be patient and persevere! A dermaroller, dermastamp or Derminator 9-needle cartridge cant do this because it would make too many pricks in the good surrounding skin, damaging it."

So it sounds like 1 needle isrecommended. I find the instructions a bit confusing though.

I used the derminator for the first time today and used both the single needle an the 9 needle. I used the single needle on some more obvious areas, then went over everything again with the 9 needle cartridge. I have no idea what she means in the above quote about damaging the "good surrounding skin" -- how is it really "damaged" if it's collagen induction?

@beautifulambition I was wondering if you or anyone could give me some advice or insight. I used the derminator last night for about 2-3 mins on each cheek at 1.5 mm using the single needle on small areas, and then the 9 needle over the larger areas. I only experienced a little redness to my skin at the time. This morning, you could hardly tell that anything was done to my skin last night.

I tried needling again this morning on one side, and again, I hardly see much of an effect. When I used a 1.5 mm dermastamp, I could see a difference in my skin (rough, reddish brown patch the next day, which later peeled to reveal newly generated skin). Is it normal to experience little visible effects of the procedure with the derminator? I'm wondering if I didn't do it correctly and if anything I did even had an effect at all. I don't want to keep trying it again though, so I'll have to wait a another month before another attempt to "get it right" if this is the problem.

1 hour ago, Anxiousbee said:

@beautifulambition I was wondering if you or anyone could give me some advice or insight. I used the derminator last night for about 2-3 mins on each cheek at 1.5 mm using the single needle on small areas, and then the 9 needle over the larger areas. I only experienced a little redness to my skin at the time. This morning, you could hardly tell that anything was done to my skin last night.

I tried needling again this morning on one side, and again, I hardly see much of an effect. When I used a 1.5 mm dermastamp, I could see a difference in my skin (rough, reddish brown patch the next day, which later peeled to reveal newly generated skin). Is it normal to experience little visible effects of the procedure with the derminator? I'm wondering if I didn't do it correctly and if anything I did even had an effect at all. I don't want to keep trying it again though, so I'll have to wait a another month before another attempt to "get it right" if this is the problem.

You have to draw blood. And when you draw blood, wipe it away and do the whole area again.

Anyone can suggest me a name of alcohol to clean my face first before needling, like to sterilize it. And does my face need to be a little "oily" so that the needles can move smoothly on it

By the way, what cleanser do you guys use? i need some gentle cleanser to use daily, something not to aggresive because my skin often feel irritated with the other cleansers/

i am waiting for my derminator to come and will do the first needling in next few weeks. This will be the first time I do something to my face so I hope it will not be a fail

@AnxiousbeeYou do not need to draw blood for derminator to be effective. Some people do not bleed or their skin is to thick. You might try increasing the needle depth to 2mm on your fatty parts of the face . Remember microneedle alone does not do all the work for scars, some need subcision for pitting of acne scars, and retin a / tretinorin to be used when your not healing for treatments at night

@SeeHelp Alcohol , goto any store pharmacy section and get alcohol. If you cannot get it I suppose you can get Vodka but that would not be a first option. No your face is not oily, it needs to be washed clean. Use pure HA serum like it says in this long guide. By pure I mean the least ingredients the better. Dermatologists recommend cetafil or baby soap with no fragrance. For these type of questions please go sign up on reddit.com and then for the sub skincareaddiction, search or post on there for questions about skincare, thousands more to answer these type of questions

@beautifulambition Thank you. I was under the impression that I was supposed to bleed in order for it to be effective. I know now that the last session did at least do something to my skin as the areas I went over, have turned into slightly rough patches of pin pricked scabs which should heal nicely to reveal new skin.

On 8/11/2017 at 5:46 PM, SeeHelp said:

Anyone can suggest me a name of alcohol to clean my face first before needling, like to sterilize it. And does my face need to be a little "oily" so that the needles can move smoothly on it

By the way, what cleanser do you guys use? i need some gentle cleanser to use daily, something not to aggresive because my skin often feel irritated with the other cleansers/

i am waiting for my derminator to come and will do the first needling in next few weeks. This will be the first time I do something to my face so I hope it will not be a fail

I use medical alcohol swabs/wipes to clean by face before needling. You can find these at any pharmacy or drug store. Prior to this, I use a gentle cleanser, mostly Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Cleanser in the cream consistency (unscented). This cleanser is very easy on the skin and non-irritating. I also use a Cetaphil oily to normal skin cleanser at night.

Good luck with using your derminator :)!

Any tips on how deep I should go for forehead, temples and glabella (area between eyebrows)? I've been needling at 2.25mm for the fatty parts of cheeks and had great results. Going off of this, I'm thinking I should go as deep as I can, but don't know what signs to look for to see if I can go deeper or if I should back off.

In the "boney" areas you do .75mm-1.5mm it really depends on the thickness of your skin, you will know if it seems too deep. Deeper is not always better, it can create more trauma.

7 hours ago, beautifulambition said:

In the "boney" areas you do .75mm-1.5mm it really depends on the thickness of your skin, you will know if it seems too deep. Deeper is not always better, it can create more trauma.

Ok. I'll try those depths. I watched some videos of Dr Des Fernandes and he suggests needling once a week () , around 6 times in a row () . He also suggests needling at 3mm (which I wouldn't do). What is your take on this? I think he's working under the assumption that needle pricks don't scar, but I'm more concerned about possible nerve damage. Since my wounds seem to close up within a couple of days I might try this, but at lower depths.

This is a nice thread and all, but does anyone know where else I can find unbiased reviews of this product?

@RickeyDog1989No way, thats nuts, moderation is best. Collagen takes 90 days to form. Do you really want a bacterial infection like a druggie who uses too many needles. 3mm goes to the fat, no data suggests that. He can do that, good for him, it's not necessary. More is not always good for regeneration, healing is necessary. Now if he's doing .75mm that'sdifferent, still bacterial can be introduced. It's not natural to prick the skin all the time, there is a point the body says enough is enough.

I am interested in purchasing the derminator, but I am wary of paid promotion... It's not like there's a lot of visual proof of its efficacy on the internet, just a few people (in this thread for example) claiming that they're seeing improvement without even mentioning howmuchimprovement they're getting or what kind of scars they even have....not very useful in influencing my decision, not sure if it's worth the investment. I'm honestly considering just repurchasing a derma-stamp if it's truly the cheaper, non-mechanical equivalent of this derminator.

So i had my first treatment few days ago. My impression was it hurts so much. I have never used any other device so I cant compare the pain. But the derminator pretty hurt me. I dont know why people say it is nothing to them or they cant get blood. Maybe my skin was thin. I tried 1mm at my left side first without pressing and see blood right away. 1.5mm on the right side. It just hurt a bit more and more blood. The pain freaked me out that I even forgot to needle some of my scars. After 4 days of recovery there is still some redness if you look closely. And of course I dont see any improvement yet it is still too early to say for the first time. Next time I will try it with 1.75mm. My concern is about the redness cause it takes me almost a full week to recover and I dont want to go outside with my red and bloody face

I wouldn't recommend going too deep on bony areas, I -think- it caused two tiny blood spots on the side of my forehead when I went too deep. So I plan on just doing the center with 0.5mm or so.

I will want to get a Derminator. But I know my wife will want to use it too. Do they have two sets of need tips that we can both use separately?

@51WithSkin
The needles are all disposable, ... then it will be a better purchase for you ... double usage, sharing is caring.

Are there any before and after pics, or testimonials hidden in this thread? When I typed "Derminator reviews" into google this was the first result.

I would not go by pics, your body might heal different than my body, you might not do as well with microneedling as someone else does, different skin quality, I realize it's human nature in our visual world to see if something works by a pic. But many of these pics are photo shopped, manipulated, doctors use unusual cases etc.

The reason this probably comes up first is search results acne.org normally ranks high. Goto owndoc.com and look at her old forum or random microneedling youtube video reviews. If you want to dabble and cannot afford stuff .... buy a manual dermastamp and try it out. Cheaper that way and you can get a idea, but it does take time. TCA peels with microneedling work better than microneedling alone. Use microneedling as a spot treatment on your scars.

@beautifulambitionAlright, I'm really closing to purchasing this tihng. I just have one more question. Do you own/have you used this product?

Yes, I own many devices. Yes I have used it on myself and others. It's the best microneedling machine out there right now, the cost, quality, less pain, multiple lengths (ie. you talked about the forehead / temples less depth ...1mm). But as I said if you want to test the waters get a cheap manual 1.5mm dermastamp. The stamp encourages collagen growth through wounding. TCA peels work on the texture. Retin a cream or tretinorin works when your not treating the above 2 (completely healed), at night. I would not use all sorts of creams, like mentioned in the other post. Just a HA serum when needling. Why you could be allergic or cause a reaction. Copper peptides seem to do very little for many. The above will give you results if used in combo dermastamp, peels, tretinorin. Don't do to much at once, one treatment a month or more besides the cream.

Thanks BA. I don't know if this is normal, but the thought of microneedling makes me very nervous. If I have more questions about needle length, duration, or technique is it alright if I ask them here?

Using a regular dermastamp or rolling is horrific and pure torture compared to the derminator. I like to set mine to 1.0mm and needle for 30 seconds just to get the fear out of me and to activate my pain tolerance. Then I do 1.5mm for maybe a minute then I set it to the max of 2.25mm and get to work.

@ailaeshizSure ask away 😉

Typical needle length is 1.5mm in fatty places. On the forhead etc you can do about 1mm or less. .5mm is used for product penetration.
Duration, you needle until you get good coverage, I do not use their auto timmer, but they do have one if you need this.Your not making minced meat, just covering the scar in circles or stamping at a few angles.

Technique is small circular movements. This avoids holding the item in the same spot and restamping existing channels.

@beautifulambition Is there any benefit to going deeper than that, or do I have just have to get a feel for own face by experimenting with different depths?

@healing2.0 Do you do your entire face, or do you just spot treat?