15 hours ago, poorbunny888 said:

PTAA

from what i know you shouldn't needle whilst on accutane since it could affect the healing process

Jwebs91

I'm about to do dermastamping with my derm next week but from what i read the forehead could go up to 1mm. 0.5mm is normally not deep enough for scar revision. It's mainly for skin rejuvenation. But please discuss back with your therapist. Perhaps she feels your skin is on the thinner and/or sensitivespectrum thus, the shorter needle. How long is her experience in the field as well? I've read once in a forum a new therapist used2mm needle on skin that only needs rejuvenation and caused permanent damage so if your therapist is new and she goes slow, it's for the better i guess

My scarring is quite shallow so she seems to think 0.5 will be effective. I'm going to insist she goes to 0.75 next session as the recovery was pretty easy before and I want to make sure this has the best chance of working.

She's been doing SkinPen for 2 years as a nurse practitioner and seems trustworthy.

Let me know what lengths you end up using here and how it goes!

On 12/26/2018 at 3:45 PM, beautifulambition said:

You must do peels in conjunction with your microneedling(alternating months or a few peels a year). Needling alone won't get most people there. Stamping scars while it stimulates collagen does not fix scar competently, no mono-treatment does. I often tell people if they cannot afford treatments(energy devices)... Do your DIY microneedling and peels at home. Get one or two sessions a year of subcision for the pits.

If you have sensitive skin you can damage it with microneedling, many go way way to deep. Studies show all that is needed is .75mm-1mm to the scars alone(derma-stamp). When you go to deep you can also damage tissue. Or some over needle aggressively and cause more scars. Do not over strip or over needle the skin barrier this is called moisture barrier damage and is often done by over peeling, or exfoliating making large pores.

Know your skin first, just do the scars, don't go to deep, alternate with other treatments.

If you don't get results, you need to see a board certified dermatologist who specializes in acne scars, ... not a general derm.

Hi @beautifulambition, could you possibly link any studies that state 0.75 to 1mm is all that's required? Thanks.

5 hours ago, jwebs91 said:

My scarring is quite shallow so she seems to think 0.5 will be effective. I'm going to insist she goes to 0.75 next session as the recovery was pretty easy before and I want to make sure this has the best chance of working.

She's been doing SkinPen for 2 years as a nurse practitioner and seems trustworthy.

Let me know what lengths you end up using here and how it goes!

Do you think jumping up to 1mm would be a good idea? I have two professional sessions left (of 3).

I just did dermastamping with PRP. Taken 15ml blood got 6ml and left home with 3ml. I guess my platelet is not bad. My derm did 1mm stamp for the whole face

I got this scratch like mark though. Is this fine? How long would the scratch like mark disappears? 

14 hours ago, poorbunny888 said:

I just did dermastamping with PRP. Taken 15ml blood got 6ml and left home with 3ml. I guess my platelet is not bad. My derm did 1mm stamp for the whole face

I got this scratch like mark though. Is this fine? How long would the scratch like mark disappears? 

 

Up to a week to totally disappear I reckon. I was still a bit scabby after 5 days.

How did the 1mm feel? Particularly interested in the forehead as that's where I had mine done only and want to have 1mm next time.

Keep us updated!

@jwebs91

Did you have the scratch marks even with the 0.5mm needle? I'm a bit anxious since my skin regeneration is a bit on the slower side. Now, a day after there're more apparent scratch marks appear.

I felt very light touches of the needle. I didn't feel the stamp dragged around so a bit surprised with the many scratches. In terms of procedure not painful at all but I was properly numbed for around 40 minutes before the procedure, given a light Revlite laser and VBeam then proceed with the needle and PRP. 

Also i was left with quite plenty platelets. I tried to apply it twice per application but felt the skin became too tight. How many days did you apply the platelets serum?

On 11/1/2019 at 5:11 AM, poorbunny888 said:

@jwebs91

Did you have the scratch marks even with the 0.5mm needle? I'm a bit anxious since my skin regeneration is a bit on the slower side. Now, a day after there're more apparent scratch marks appear.

I felt very light touches of the needle. I didn't feel the stamp dragged around so a bit surprised with the many scratches. In terms of procedure not painful at all but I was properly numbed for around 40 minutes before the procedure, given a light Revlite laser and VBeam then proceed with the needle and PRP. 

Also i was left with quite plenty platelets. I think it's more than 3ml as the clinic told actually ie. 4 small bottles. Even the 1st one still have plenty on it after 3 times usage. I tried to apply it twice per application but felt the skin became too tight. How many days did you apply the platelets serum?

@poorbunny888 Yeah, I had scratches but they were light. Didn't feel any dragging either.

When I had it done, I was hardly red after the treatment but did have some pin point bleeding. How much did you bleed?

The next couple of days after I actually got more red and slightly swollen then the skin that had been treated scabbed a little/had rough texture that sloughed off after a few days when cleansing.

I didn't have PRP so can't comment on that.

Interested to know how you heal, particularly on the forehead.

I reckon there'll be no sign of anything within a week.

Feel free to PM me.

@jwebs91

i try to PM you but to no avail somehow. i was red straight after but that's normal since my face easily blushed. didn't see any pinpoint bleeding but perhaps i did not check my face until the nurse cleaned it up and prepped it with PRP.  But to my sensitive skin, i don't really want to achieve that either, my acne scars are pretty shallow.  i feel the PRP does help a lot with the inflammation and redness. i only experienced the redness and soreness on the second day especially when i washed my face but after that it subsided significantly. what i worried now is the scratch marks. i attach the pic of the scratch marks on my forehead. wonder when would these go away completely? look superficial but how could a stamp leave scratch marks as it shouldn't be dragged around?

did you use any retinol or peeling cream afterwards? if you do, on which day did you start? i was also advised to do facial 1 week before so i did Silkpeel. Did you have any facial prior to needling?

if you feel swollen, try to sleep with slightly elevated head position. that would help. 

On 11/3/2019 at 8:38 AM, poorbunny888 said:

@jwebs91

i try to PM you but to no avail somehow. i was red straight after but that's normal since my face easily blushed. didn't see any pinpoint bleeding but perhaps i did not check my face until the nurse cleaned it up and prepped it with PRP.  But to my sensitive skin, i don't really want to achieve that either, my acne scars are pretty shallow.  i feel the PRP does help a lot with the inflammation and redness. i only experienced the redness and soreness on the second day especially when i washed my face but after that it subsided significantly. what i worried now is the scratch marks. i attach the pic of the scratch marks on my forehead. wonder when would these go away completely? look superficial but how could a stamp leave scratch marks as it shouldn't be dragged around?

did you use any retinol or peeling cream afterwards? if you do, on which day did you start? i was also advised to do facial 1 week before so i did Silkpeel. Did you have any facial prior to needling?

if you feel swollen, try to sleep with slightly elevated head position. that would help. 

@poorbunny888 

I didn't have any peels before but, I have been using prescription retinoids for around a year. I stopped using my tretinoin 3 days before microneedling and resumed 5 days after once my skin had healed.

Not sure how scratches form without dragging, I had the same thing but smaller as I had only a small area treated.

Can't comment on PRP as I'm having it without.

How are you healing up and how are the scratches now?

Going in for my next session next week and asking for 1mm.

On 11/4/2019 at 5:45 PM, jwebs91 said:

@poorbunny888

I didn't have any peels before but, I have been using prescription retinoids for around a year. I stopped using my tretinoin 3 days before microneedling and resumed 5 days after once my skin had healed.

Not sure how scratches form without dragging, I had the same thing but smaller as I had only a small area treated.

Can't comment on PRP as I'm having it without.

How are you healing up and how are the scratches now?

Going in for my next session next week and asking for 1mm.

Hi @poorbunny888, how did you heal? Got my session tomorrow afternoon. Interested to hear how you got on.

@jwebs91

Everything has healed including the scratch marks. I've been burnt by Fraxel before so upon seeing the scratch marks i could see they're only superficial BUT they do elongate the healing process which could gone awry too. I have brought this up with the clinic and they do acknowledge the scratches and hopefully will imrpove the technique for the next treatment. The PRP and retinol usage after the treatment help a lot in my case

@jwebs91

Hi, how's your 2nd needling with longer needle going? mine is on this Thursday. i wonder about the depressions area. mine is not rolling scars but there're atrophic scars though tiny. i wonder if the derm needs to poke it with single needle or something

Is it really worth microneedling deep rolling scars? Feels like nothing can help those but fillers. I feel like I'm microstamping and going through all the pain in vain. It can't stimulate so much collagen that it would lift scars, right?

@Pianina

What needle length do you use? For how long and pre and post treatment care should be an important factor too. I think with rolling, adding subcission might be more effective but better leave subcission to the pro

On 11/25/2019 at 4:48 AM, poorbunny888 said:

@jwebs91

Hi, how's your 2nd needling with longer needle going? mine is on this Thursday. i wonder about the depressions area. mine is not rolling scars but there're atrophic scars though tiny. i wonder if the derm needs to poke it with single needle or something

Hi, sorry I don't think my notifications are working properly.

Mine went well - healed up completely in just over a week.

Noticed a big difference in the aftermath of having 0.75mm compared to 0.5mm as well as in pain (more but still tolerable).

The 0.75mm made me much more red and inflamed. I had pin point bleeding at 0.5 so even more with 0.75.

Also had some scratch marks that went away within the week and a lot of scabbing/shedding skin. I had this with the 0.5mm too so must just be how I react to needling.

I'm thinking about going for 1mm next time as I really want to see results (no difference yet after 2 sessions) - do you think this is a good idea?

How did you find 1mm in terms of pain/recovery/results?

Hope it goes well for you on Thursday - keep me updated!

Is 1.5mm the depth that gives best results? Is it safe to use 1.5mm the first time or should I start with .75mm and increase gradually?

Does the derminator help with scarred pores in your experience or does it cause them in the first place?

If I bought the UK version with plug, can I use it in the EU with a simple plugadaptor?

What depth of miscroneedling is required for stretch marks around the bottom?

Do you guys use a numbing cream with your derminator? And how do you guys sterilize your needles before each session?

Anyone please share what type of movement your professionals (beautician, dermatologist) or even yourself applied when doing the needling? For example, Derminator's owner advises to do circular movement to avoid the trackmarks but I've seen many dermatologists still do the linear movement.

I just did my 3rd session of microneedling with my derm moving from the manual dermastamping to dermapen. To my surprise, it feels much softer than manual dermastamping. I did not even feel the needle piercing through my skin as the dermastamp. Dermapen needle is also used once only, avoiding unnecessary contamination. With the dermastamp, my derm uses it twice and by the second time I could already feel it's not as smooth as the first one when piercing the skin.

The dermapen also left lesser redness (despite my derm used higher setting of laser before the needling than previous treatments) and no trackmarks at all. I also read people like to complain about the sound of it BUT the dermapen that my derm used has a very soft sound yet powerful still. So i'm not sure if we're talking about the same dermapen here

I requested my derm to do circular movement which he obliged in the beginning but halfway through the process, he changed it to the movement he applied to other patients, short strokes of vertical and horizontal which he thinks is softer than circular movement. I did not see any track marks left though afterwards and I got pinpoint blood with 1.5mm needle for the whole face. Something I did not achieve with the 1mm dermastamp

Any of your derm also use the same needling movement as mine, the short strokes of vertical and horizontal movement?

I have been using Derminator at home on and off for a coupleof years. I can say that on its own it does nothing or very little. Only when I started to combine it with suctioning and tca paint 15% I started to see some changes.I use 1,5mm in general, 2mm to individual scars and do it only to the scared areas not the whole face. Less then 1,5mm wont do anything to the scars. All thus for superficial scars, for deep rolling scars or boxcars no. Although I tried to do one box on the edges with the paint and seems it is working but need to repeat at least three times. I use round motions together with vertical motions with 12mm cartridge. With one needle I just cover the area in linesseveral times.

You do not need to go to the derm for this

@Sibel

thanks for the sharing Dear, have you experienced any sort of trackmarks after the needling? if you do, how long would it take to completely diminished? Do you feel the vertical movement of the needling produce good results? 

My scars are like punctured scars, you know the holes which are the centre of the acne. they're not big or deep enough but somehow my derm told me, it'd be difficult to flaten them back and of course he, as other doctors, told me that it'd depend on my skin abiity to regenerate  My derm combines laser and the needling. the laser settings is mild ones. First 2 sessions are by Revlite and they did not really yield results plus dermastamp caused few trackmarks. The last one was Pico laser and the setting is higher causing purpuric for about 3-5days but the results are pretty significant especially for the pigmentation. The holes were still there though pretty much. The dermapen also yield much better result than the dermastamp. 

Have you used other needling device before Derminator ie. dermaroller, dermastamp? How did you find it compared to the Derminator?

@Thienphuoc

just share it here, why do we need to PM you for products that are succesful?

On 5/16/2016 at 10:45 PM, BlueDog88 said:

i just got the derminator. if you do the circles, are you just using the clock feature to know how long to do it for? or is there a method for how long to do it? trying to figure this all out...

also, are you guys doing the needling dry? or do you put something on the face to help gliding while needling?

DO NOT DRY NEEDLE. It will drag the needle and will give you more scarring. I made the mistake of wiping off blood on one spot while needling to stop it from going into my eye and accidentily over wiped the area and made it dry. The blood was acting as a lubricamt along serum I put on. Once skin is dry the needle is prone to hanging on the skin therefore creating a small linear scar. good thing I stopped before I made it any worse.

Always use a natural serum like HA or oil as lubricant and don't wipe off any excess.

@joeyskthanks for the info. my derm did the needling with PRP, i'm not sure though he applied the PRP before or after the needling. the PRP should provide some sort of lubricant for the skin. i felt the trackmarks was due to poor dermastamp quality

Sorry for the late answer. No track marks ever. I don it think that the particular type of motions produces good result, it is the combined procedure itself. No I used Derminator only. It is easier to use and more hygiene with it- use new cartridge every time. I put Tretinoincream and needle with it and then put a couple more layers after, it heals faster and peels a lot.

On 2/29/2020 at 2:03 AM, poorbunny888 said:

@joeyskthanks for the info. my derm did the needling with PRP, i'm not sure though he applied the PRP before or after the needling. the PRP should provide some sort of lubricant for the skin. i felt the trackmarks was due to poor dermastamp quality

I get track marks as well but but they are not so deep. They are hardly noticiable and usually go away in 2-3 weeks.