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So I got some HA serum and 90% isopropyl alcohol. I intend to first wash my face, then swab it with isopropyl alcohol and then apply HA serum to allow gliding of the derminator. Is this the correct procedure?
What is the after care routine after using the Derminator? After my derminator treatment, can I restart applying Retin A the same night?
Also, what is the best way to disinfect the needle cartridge? Is washing it in soapy water followed by soaking it in ethyl alcohol good enough?
Cheers!
@downinthedmsCool... No you cannot apply retin a for 24hrs, Do not wash the blood off your face for the growth factors of the blood on the skin for several hours, then just wash it off with water. Antibacterial dishsoap, a toothbrush. Alcohol is ok since it evaporates. You don't want it to rust.
6 minutes ago, beautifulambition said:@unbreakable1Yes@downinthedmsCool... No you cannot apply retin a for 24hrs, Do not wash the blood off your face for the growth factors of the blood on the skin for several hours, then just wash it off with water. Antibacterial dishsoap, a toothbrush. Alcohol is ok since it evaporates. You don't want it to rust.
Wouldn't a toothbrush damage/move the needles? Also, I would have to use water with the dish soap, if it rusts as you say then how can you prevent this? I guess soaking it in ethanol right after would prevent this? Another issue is I can't find ethanol in Canada, only isopropyl alcohol. I read that it dissolves the glue so cannot be used for disinfecting the cartridge. Are there any other alternatives?
Cheers! Thanks for the reply.
@downinthedmsOF course not. If you don't like that idea buy a sonicator to clean jewelry. It will not rust if you don't leave it in water. Needles are single use. You can get away with 2 or 3 times. But bent needles equal pain and potential skin damage. Needles bend naturally with usage.
That is fine 70% Alcohol - up to you, try it and you will see it's not so scary dip it quickly and dry it off . Like I said Antibacterial soap and a tooth brush. Iodine or Hibiclens.
You may have thicker skin, all of our skin is different. You can go deeper with more trial if you wish. You can also push down harder on the skin (The head) to have a deeper treatment if you wish. Microneedling is not a quick process, some treat for a year or two before getting some improvement. Remember it works well in conjunction with acid peels (Alternating). Retin A / Tretinorin / Differin at Target OTC also helps so use this at night when not treating.
@beautifulambition,
hey BA, I have a few inquiries if you dont mind.
1)you said to let blood dry then wash off, do you apply HA immediately after you wash the blood off?
2)After that do you apply vit c or anything lik that besides Ret A and HA?
3)Also you mentioned that we should alternate between tca peels and needling, so as in, Needle in march, tca in april, Needle in may, tca in june...etc?
Thank you for the knowledge, and helping all of us improve our scars!
@kasporelliYou Just apply the HA before you start needling. Sure if you want when you wash off blood. No you don't want to apply anything really except HA, because it can cause dermatitis or skin reaction. These things were not meant to be injected. Sure, Sometimes peels need a bit more time to heal depending on the strength of your peel ie. 6 weeks.
No other products, your doing peels.
I finally used the derminator for the first time!
The instructions were admittedly a bit confusing for me to fully take in in one go, especially the timer settings etc... a simple bullet list / order of steps would be useful, but I got it eventually. I just did it without the timer.
I did one pass at 0.75mm then another at 1mm for the first attempt. Went red and bled a little.The noise it makes is intimidating but luckilyfelt nothing thanks to numbing cream! Hopefully this together with TCA peels start to give me some actual results.
1 hour ago, unbreakable1 said:The noise it makes is intimidating but luckilyfelt nothing thanks to numbing cream! Hopefully this together with TCA peels start to give me some actual results.
OwnDoc sends you earplugs for a reason. I use them and it eases my anxiety.
Sounds like you are doing it right - start off slow and build.Best of luck.
@NeoFight
Thanks 
I cleaned the needle by wiping it out with acetone, rinsing it with water and letting it dry by a heater. Is that ok?
I also am not sure about which product is best from OwnDoc. I used the copper peptide mask after my first one, now I need to buy something else. Shall I get more masks or the CP serum? Or something else?
@Eugene
This is a rare occurrence, possibly the way you heal. Your forehead is vascular. Yes Vascular laser or PDL is effective for blood vessels.
What is a cherry angioma?
Also known as a Campbell de Morgan spot or a senile angioma, a cherry angioma is a small skin growth that is red in appearance due to the broken blood vessels inside of it. It is made up of clusters of capillaries that have formed into a small dome.Cherry angiomas can grow in many different places (though the torso, arms, and shoulders are most common), and they tend to be circular or oval in shape. Their size ranges from a tiny speck (the size of a pinpoint) to one-fourth of an inch in diameter. Sometimes they appear smooth, and other times they are slightly raised.
I take no responsibility for these remedies, DIY at your own risk. Try it on one spot first to test.
Apple Cider Vinegar
Apple cider vinegar can be used to treat cherry angiomas topically. Raw and organicapple cider vinegaris applied to the angiomas until they change color and fall off on their own.
Wart Remedies for Cherry Angiomas
Cherry angiomas often respond to the same remedies used to treat warts. Duct tape can be used to keep the angiomas covered until they fall off. This remedy is very inexpensive and easy to use. If you have sensitive skin, however, duct tape may be an irritation to the healthy skin around the angiomas you are treating.
Over the counter products used to treat warts may work for cherry angiomas as well. This solution may be more suited to a few isolated angiomas, as treating large amounts of skin could get expensive. Also the using a large amount of a chemical wart remover on the skin may pose risk.
Tea Tree Oil
Tea tree essential oil is an oil that can be used neat (undiluted on the skin.) However, for people with sensitive skin, diluting it first is a good idea. It can be diluted with a carrier oil like olive oil, castor oil or coconut oil. Use a q-tip to apply the oil to the cherry angiomas twice a day.
@Dream_CatcherThere is no best... It's what is best for you. You have thick skin so increase the depth. 1.5mm was found to be effective. Slower is a more intense treatment in speed, but also hurts more. Microneedling is not a quick process. IT must be done in conjunction with peels. If you want something that has a quicker effect look at rf microneedling.
On 8/16/2017 at 11:14 AM, beautifulambition said:@LivingWithFaith Research Google, there is reviews all over the place. No one advertises for this device so I don't know what you mean. All of our reviews are because it works, it's cheap, and there is no other automatic needling device like it. Dermapen is thousands of dollarsto buy or you need to goto a doctor. I suggest searching for derminator on the search above. This has been 10 pages about it. Buy whatever you wishno one is forcing anyone here. You can learn about several devices on the website owndoc.com and derminator.com, everything seems to come from China.
I really admire your posting ethic, professionalism, and knowledge Beautifulambition, and appreciate your time and effort answering everyone's questions (including mine). This post is no way negative against you. I just want to share what I found about the company.
Before I do anything drastic with my face, I do a lot of research. I also looked at the Dermapen and wondered why and how Derminator can be so cheap. So I dug around. I really do not like what I found about this company. I don't know WHERE the Derminator is made from. Few things are NOT made in China really. They might buy the parts from China and assemble in in Czech Republic for all I know.
I have spent a considerable amount of time watching Davin Lim's videos, Sandra Lee, etc. I am surprised so many people jump in and play with their face without watching more videos and understanding it more. Such as not knowing what hyaluronic acid is or does; it is a lubricant in a nut shell. It's a protein known to adhere to many molecules. You put it on your face to help the dang pen move easily over your skin. Plus it moisturizes. This couldve been easily known if people bothered to spend a little time reading or watching YT videos. I learned it in school.
The Dermapen is $1500+ and they won't sell unless you can prove to them you are a clinician, a licensed doctor mostly. Their device will penetrate 3.0mm+. The basement membrane is more than 3.0 I believe. Pass that and you may hit a nerve. I believe anything that goes that deep is considered a medical device and has restrictions on it. Therefore, Owndoc, and other small businesses cannot sell it.
The derminator seems to have a lot of fans here and it looks like a good product. But if you read the About us on Owndoc. The lady is probably dead for all we know. Sarah V has not responded to any posts in her forum since at least 2014. Her forum went from answering hundreds of threads every year from 2013 and prior, to just 9 in early 2014, and 2 are plugs for new products including Derminator. it looks suspicious to me that some one may be retending to be Sarah.
There is a big write up on their page about Chinese products, bad Chinese products. It makes you believe the Derminator is make in the UK. Well it's not. On their own website it states that it may take a while to ship because it comes from warehouses in Czech Republic.
Sarah V is, "Sarah is a lifetime supporting member of the Immortality Institute and a principal sponsor of the replication of the famous Baathi rat study."
The immortality institute???? What famous Batthi rat study? Would I find an article in the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, Science, or the British Medical Journal link to it? Probably not. It's probably as famous as Andrew Wakefield.
"Sarah is no fan of Big Pharma - She considers it a criminal kartel, enforced by the corrupt FDA and the worldwide legislation they lobbied for, Codex Alimentarius."
Right, the good old Codex Alimentarius. Sounds mystical until you realize it's the alimentary canal aka the gut. Sarah is a fan of The Da Vinci Code no less. Since they spelled cartel with a k, I am going to guess the guy who did the website was European, but not UK or France.
"Our two dispatch centers are in the Czech Republic, so there are no customs delays to EU countries."
Is the Czech Republic renowned for surgical instruments over China or even South Korea? They think SK makes bad stuff? Have they heard of Samsung or S. Korea being the capital of plastic surgery pretty much? They probably have the some of the best plastic surgeons in the world. But, hey it's Czech Republic.
At the bottom of the website is the copyright.
" Copyright 2006-2018 Gromako Data & Services Ltd. t/a Vaughter Wellness, Office Q, 35a Astbury Road, London SE15 2NL, United Kingdom."
Gromako Data & Services Ltd. This IS the guy who runs the show. And he did it all from CZ. ( https://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=owndoc.com )
Registrant Name: Franciscus de GrootRegistrant Organization: Gromako Data & Services Ltd.
Registrant Email: [email protected] Admin ID: G-1018426Admin Name: Franciscus de GrootAdmin Organization: Gromako Data & Services Ltd.
Admin Email: [email protected] Tech ID: G-1018426Tech Name: Franciscus de GrootTech Organization: Gromako Data & Services Ltd.
Our man Franciscus has been hand mixing potions and fighting with a laboratory, Avogadro labs ( https://www.avogadro-lab-supply.com/ ), with his fighting spirit since 2012. ( https://badbuyerlist.org/buyer/1929d2974839ecd10558 ).
There are countless websites as current as 2017, detailing how this guy harasses and bullies customers.
1. https://owndoc.pissedconsumer.com/stay-away-from-owndoc-sarah-vaughter-wellness-website-201704211037279.html
2. https://owndoc.pissedconsumer.com/review.html
3 https://owndocscam.wordpress.com/
4 https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/sarah-vaughter-own-doccom/internet/sarah-vaughter-aka-own-doccom-constant-harassment-threatening-internet-1253223
5. https://badbuyerlist.org/buyer/1929d2974839ecd10558
I get it. There is no alternative right now. Dermapen is medical grade and we cannot buy it as the public. But, let's not elevate this company or the guy who runs and owns it as some sort of godsend company. You can see how petty this guy is by looking at his coments to Youtubers, posting as Sarah V. The personality traits of this guy Frank is remarkably the same as "Sarah V".
I may buy Derminator as well but I sure am going to take precautions against this guy blackmailing me.
I did the research so you don't have to. Look at the volume of evidence.
I apologize if this post offends anyone. I am just surprised that no one dug around on this company. @Livingwithfaith brings up a good point. Nothing wrong with questioning this company or this guy who pretends to be a woman. The reason the owndoc forum doesnt answer any questions is Franciscus does not know anything about health or physiology. The original Sarah may have been a nurse, but we don't know what happened to her. So the forum just says all the answers are in previous posts. Read them.Franciscus may be stealing people's photos and postings off Youtube and elsewhere. I am surprised he hasn't stolen Beautifulambition's posts or users from this website. Someone should ask Joe from Youtube if he have him permission to post his YT video.
How this guy runs the company is sad. It's evern worse when we don't have an alternative yet. There might be a Chinese company that makes a similar product and I would buy it. It just makes me laugh when the website knocks on China and South Korea but his product is made in some unknown location or country. Like I said, it might just be from China for all we know.
@runnyeggsThank you for your post. I recommend derminator because it's cheap, quality, does what we need it to do, and there is nothing better really out there right now.
I do not like battery based microneedling sources such as dermapen. They loose power and cause tearing.
Also the Derminator was made by a European, see his videos on youtube he is the inventor. The CZ is just their distribution center as you know, it's cheaper there. Sarah is still alive and I have emailed with her about products. Goto owndoc and fill out a contact us if you wish to ask. She does not wish to have a forum, it was taking too much time, and people were asking the same questions, ... wanting medical advice.
If something came out tomorrow better I would recommend that. We have moved on to rf microneedling but the derminator is nice for collagen stimulation at low settings in between treatments and for upkeep once you do your acne scar treatments.
The links above you posted are by disgruntled either suppliers, retailers, Chinese sellers, or owners of the product. Like any product on Amazon you get some haters. She has her share. I have the product and it still works fine. She does not sell to many countries with major issues. People do screw up their face with microneedling and not heal properly so that might be something to consider as well.
The Chinese tried to copy her stuff I remember.
Who is this Joe from Youtube, he may be just reading the info here and posting videos, can you share what you mean.
Certain parts of her products are custom manufactured in China. The Dermapens are as well, she proved with a Engineer long ago. The main unit of the Derminator, and hand peice is made in Europe (see the inventors youtubes search "derminator"), needles in China. The Apple Iphone is made in China. There are also many shitty phones made in China or Dupes.
I realize you have some concerns but many here have been satisfied with thier Derminators. As such the product is satisfactory to meet the goals here. I do not recommend people buy anything else there, some buy the manual dermastamps.
I try not to get in her war against pharma, food sources, biotechm etc... That is Sarah's interest and has little to do with the product she provides.
Let me know if something is better out there, we are evolving and eventually there will be other devices than microneedling.
9 hours ago, beautifulambition said:@runnyeggs derminatordermapen
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Is there any rf microneedling suitable for home use?
NO, just like a laser one should a doctor for these treatment. you can really badly hurt your skin. This is Not DIY treatments. I am talking about microneedling, dermastamping and dermastamping machines above.
On 4/11/2018 at 12:44 PM, beautifulambition said:
Thanks for the thoughtful post as usual. I trust you but I am leery of companies who may be exposing customer's info. I have been hesitant to buy a Derminator to try it just for that reason. I am glad you talked with Sarah. I don't know Sarah but I know internet protocol. Whoever Frank is, his capacity is pretty outsized. I've never seen a website attack others as much. I don't know why they think South Korea makes inferior products.
