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HA does not commonly stay for 2 years, for some it can disappear as fast as a month. That's a lot of money for it. I did some last month already half is gone now...
Bellafill hardly creates the same effect or people would take if over silicone. I haven't seen good improvements with it. Have you? Please send me some photos of it but as of now the things I have seen with bellafill hardly seems worth it. FDA hasn't approved Restylane Vital in the USA but it has approved bellafill which I find really odd. Vital isn't even dangerous.
Yes, I know you talk about these effects that will happen 5 years along the line, but where are the pictures of it? (Not the 70s-80s silicone massive injections kind but the micro-droplet kind - 2-3 minuscule treatments).
Since, most doctors promote lasers on RealSelf and as it has been stated before they can't all be trusted... I don't see the point. They are obviously against silicone micro-droplet that is very clear. Why? I have no idea, I'm sure they have their own reasons. It's a money business after all. Maybe it is dangerous however not sure if you can find any truth at RealSelf, just because they are cosmetic surgeons doesn't mean they will promote the cheapest most ideal choice.Nevertheless, they could obviously be right. However, they could also be promoting that which benefits them the most.
Fat transfers do not stay in a particular place, it has a tendency to move around. I already have a round face thanks.
You suggested cheek implants before, however, not ideal either I havefound out.
People get botox every 4 months because they have to, to keep the effects. Not because they want to.
As consumers, we will never get something that will last forever, as where would the money be in that?
5 hours ago, beautifulambition said:PS. " People get botox every 4 months because they have to, to keep the effects. Not because they want to."They do have a solution, you cut out your muscles and get a facelift, most people don't likethe complications or the side effects.
But it's not like going to get your hair cut. People don't want to go and get different muscles relaxed for that little something different. They feel the need to. Also, scarring is psychologically damaging which wrinkles are not. Most want them taken care of for good than getting them fixed sometimes and sometimes they are out an showing when you can't afford that months injections. Botox is also a huge success for companies wishing to make money, fillers, if people with scarring started to use them as much, would obviously become one too.
Silicone is just too risky for me. I might try bellafill down the road if I have success with an HA filler first.
No one seems to address this but bellafill is also dangerous down the road. Any permanent thing you inject will probably have complications. Bellafill is permanent as well. Honestly, I'd rather get silicone. There's no arguing that it's incredibly dangerous but it's a permanent solution to a problem that takes too much time and effort of our lives.
14 hours ago, somethingsomethingagain said:No one seems to address this but bellafill is also dangerous down the road. Any permanent thing you inject will probably have complications. Bellafill is permanent as well. Honestly, I'd rather get silicone. There's no arguing that it's incredibly dangerous but it's a permanent solution to a problem that takes too much time and effort of our lives.
Im aware of that. I think the best way to manage the risk is to find a skilled injector and have him do a few "practice" rounds with an HA filler before doing bellafill, or sillicone for that matter. This would be years down the road for me, Ill have to reevaluate where I am at then. I just know my next professional step is going to be subcision with HA filler.
Id love to see how OP is doing today. I havent seen many long term success stories with sillicone droplets. Almost every doctor says it ends in disaster.
Silicone micro-droplet is different from the way they do fillers... they just fill it up directly... with micro-droplet they use minuscule amounts and let your body build collagen around it so it plumbs up (from what I understand). However, with filler, no such happens thus they use the full amount to plump up the depression. So, you wouldn't necessarily get the same results.
Just because it is FDA approved doesn't mean it is safe. We know that anything we try carry risks today. Any laser and any other treatment. It is quite depressing to follow the approval of the FDA and then find that regardless if treatmentsare approved or not they will not help you when things go awry. FDA is influenced by politics too so I have a hard time believing everything they say. I'm sure I could find a lot of cases where they approved (and did not approve) treatments because political/corporation influence.
On 8/17/2016 at 4:28 AM, il90 said:Silicone micro-droplet is different from the way they do fillers... they just fill it up directly... with micro-droplet they use minuscule amounts and let your body build collagen around it so it plumbs up (from what I understand). However, with filler, no such happens thus they use the full amount to plump up the depression. So, you wouldn't necessarily get the same results.
Thats what I thought, but I dont know much about sillicone. HA filler followed by possible bellafill seems like the most logical approach to permanent filler to me. I read on realself before that its injected much like the other filler materials.
I hope your Silicone goes great! Just trying to educate. Everything we do is a risk.
I am not here to cause controversy or argue. I am a volunteer here to help other acne scar suffers through years of personal experience, research, and working in the acne scar revision field. I cannot in good conscious see silicone endorsed without the other side.
Is permanent better?...
If you search realself.com and see the silicone injection reviews (many which are paid to be positive for the same doctors - for a discount) you can see it is not the best treatment. While it is permanent, many things in life are permanent and lead to issues. Side effects from micro injected silicone do not appear for 7-12 years after the treatment. Permanent procedures leave permanent issues. The only way to get rid of it is surgery, cutting it out (it is injected in micro injections) or some have had their collagen destroyed with Kenalog steroid injections to tame the grandulomas or biofilm (infection) packets of infection that are in the skin. Silicone is a perfect surface area for bacteria and seen as a foreign invader by the body. As we age our face sinks, looses fat, and changes. Where our acne scars used to be can change locations and shapes, the injection can also "migrate" to other areas or be in the wrong spot. Everything is permanent here. There is no injection to dissolve it like a HA naturally occurring in our body already type filler. Why does Silicone work, it creates balls of scar tissues (potentially bacteria) - silicone in the middle which plump the skin.Many times people with fat deficient acne scars need massive amounts of silicone which increase the side effect risks. Thus it's not a micro injection any more as it accumulates.If someone gets sick with a unrelated disease it can also be a weak link where the body fights the permanent filler.
Silicone is NOT FDA approved for any sort of filler other than the tear trough. Thus it is off label. Many doctors warn against using it as it has a history of poor results with Hollywood who used to use this as a filler before HA and other things were created.
Bellafill was approved by the FDA to fill acne scars. While I would never get this done myself. Those who wanted a permanent result from fillers have gotten this filler. It is lab controlled the size of the fiberglass beads (other than a hand controlling a micro injection of silicone), the shape, and the carrier around the spheres. They changed it and have had less occurrences of side effects after Artefill first came out. Note this is banned in Europe and Canada, but not in the USA. Silicone is also banned but used "off label" meaning it is not approved but on the doctor for liability. Will your doctor be around forever for that permanent filler, where will he be in 7-12 years?
IF you are having this done please goto someone who has filled thousands of acne scars and whom you feel you can go back to if there is any issues. IF you have a history of cysts or healing poorly which is related to auto immune, such as myself I would never recommend either as your body will fight against these fillers. HA is much more natural and disolvable, Ellanse E (lasts for 4 years - All over Europe and Asia) this is made from disolvable suture material or Fat Grafting is a permanent solution but the most costly and invasive and needs to be done in micro injections.
"Do you know all filler grows collagen around the filler, its if you have foreign body or materials it attacks and do not dissolve you have a issue. HA metabolizes in our body (or does not aka sculptra / radiesse / bellafill). Silicone in micro form is actually more risky, because it does not have micro particles, its one blob (HA is made up of particles)."
But Bellafill isn't HA either...
Europe doesn't have silicone, USA does though. Europe never really approve much since we don't approve it unless it is proven safe, in contrary to US who approve it unless it can be proven harmful (which is usually after it has been released - therefore a lot of pharmaceutical companies put aside a lot of money for possible lawsuits).
hi il90 - for the first 6 months after the third treatment the improvement was night and day - I was really surprised at how well it improved - then the scars seemed to come back for the last month or so - not as bad as they were but they were definitely slipping - I don't know if theyd have slipped to how they were previously but who knows.this surprised me as its a permanent filler I had a 4th treatment yesterday - he said I wont need anymore, after the improvements slipped last time Im a bit sceptical - my dr was Christopher Rowland payne - im happy to talk to you on the phone or text if youd like to - I don't access this very often but here is my number XXXXXXXXXXXXX (phone number removed by the moderator - please PM this info). thanks
19 hours ago, alitrude said:hi il90 - for the first 6 months after the third treatment the improvement was night and day - I was really surprised at how well it improved - then the scars seemed to come back for the last month or so - not as bad as they were but they were definitely slipping - I don't know if theyd have slipped to how they were previously but who knows.this surprised me as its a permanent filler I had a 4th treatment yesterday - he said I wont need anymore, after the improvements slipped last time Im a bit sceptical - my dr was Christopher Rowland payne - im happy to talk to you on the phone or text if youd like to - I don't access this very often but here is my number XXXXXXXXXXXXX (phone number removed by the moderator - please PM this info). thanks
Thanks for the info. I'm going to the same doctor. I'll keep in touch.
@munchkini I had silicone with Dr Bartnett like 12 years ago. If I recall it was two rounds. I was really pleased with the results. I just had a baby and my results seemed to have slipped all these years later plus post pregnancy. Dr Jay has since passed away but his daughter has a practice near me so I was going to go for a consult and see how I feel about her injecting. May I ask what went wrong with your treatments?
I have had Silikon 1000 injections by both Dr. Eric M. Joseph and Dr. Jay G. Barnett, and my results are awful. Having this treatment done by a reputable physician does not guarantee complication-free results. It entirely depends on how your body reacts to the substance.
That's what I've read and I'm scared of anything but juvederm because of that fact. But some people it's amazing, others if your body reacts bad then it's bad. A doctor in TX dr lam has all these amazing before and afters solely from Silikon 1000. That's how I initially was like maybe I should try but it's risky per person I guess. Oh well. Idk.