Hi Tedde,
I use a dermaroller recommended by Dr Philippa, an expert in dermarolling, and this size (0.25mm) is safe & effective for regular home use. I also use more intensive single needling for more stubborn/ deeper scar areas. My skin has healed nicely (90-95% healed), so in my experience, this combination is very effective with the right topicals...
Larger dermarollers carry much higher risks as you noted and should only be performed by a professional in-clinic. I personally don't advocate the 2.5mm size etc dermarollers. IMHO, I think 1.5mm is the maximum size any professional should use for facial dermarolling. Numbing creams are also a hazard and have the potential to injure nerves.
However, facial fat loss is a common side-effect of laser/ IPL treatments, but rarely for dermarolling (unless far too many aggressive passes were made with very long needles). Instead, regular dermaroling with safe size needles helps induce collagen/ facial fat.
Cheers 
PS Better to stick with safer size dermarollers, even if the dermarolling takes a longer period of time to achieve the desired results.
hello aquasea,
yes, the .25mm dermaroller is perfect for home rolling because from a pathological perspective there is virtually no chance of injecting any bacteria further than the stratum corneum. to give you an idea, some of the research behind the penetration of nanotech oxides such as zinc and titanium that certain people were extremely afraid of, were shown to penetrate only .25mm - .35mm at 94?% concentration, with 5 being absorbed by the body. this amount was then gradually rereleased as the stratum corneum gradually sloughed off, meaning no interaction with your cardiovasular, etc systems.
neural receptors start at a depth of 2.0mm into your skin. They can be triggered by more superficial stimuli (fraxel carbon dioxide lasers only ablate 1.5mm of skin but the 'heatsink effect that draws heat deeper subsequently triggers the latent pain response). Hence i maintain that there could be a chance of neural damage, although this also remains highly unlikely in my opinion.
it is one of those' safe' havens, so to speak, while still creating deep enough microchannels to circumvent the protective barrier of the straum corneum. I can imagine if you rolled as hard as possible that this 'safety' feature would be nullified but i've never met anyone who was game enough to try 
as i've just kicked myself with a bit of a self-reminder that this is a community forum (i regularly 'harass' other health professionals ), i apologise for not making the distinction between DIY and professional treatments. I am a physiotherapist and I deal with burns, post-op scarring and in aesthetics, with acne, pigmentation on a daily basis. Just wanted to provide a bit of context, there.
For the fat loss, i don't mean to be offensive but do you have evidence on the rate of occurance? I have been hunting around for this for close to a year now and all the dermatologists, plastics and other beauty therapists in my network can only talk about two known cases (treated by all these people). My clinic has performed almost 20 thousand laser and IPL treatments and while (unfortunately) we have had some overdosage instances of hyperpigmentation and scarring (lasting up to 1 year), we have never personally caused or witnessed a case of fat atrophy.
I am making the distinction here between a professional IPL treatment versus IPL that anyone can obtain from untrained operators. It is kind of like giving someone a dermaroller without instructions and expecting them to get maximum benefit or minimum side effects without any further guidance. even a 1.25mm dermaroller at medium pressure across the forehead has a much higher risk of stimulating an inflammatory scar response because the lack of skin depth across the forehead means that the microneedles are penetrating or irritating the periosteam (fibrous bone sheath) of the skull... highlighting once again the subtleties of pressure attenuation in certain areas. IPL in australia is unregulated - anybody can purchase a unit and use it without training and licensing. I see some pretty scary consequences, there. Laser is regulated, but the laser safety courses are designed to keep you safe from burns and reflected laser light hitting your eyes only... not exactly a comprehensive safety course on all the physiological aspects regarding laser use.
I'm not trying to be snobbish - please don't take it that way. There may be many, many undocumented cases of fat loss. But without controlling the variables, how can we understand if it is a fundamental issue with dermaroller that causes it? I perform acupuncture and dry needling as well, and over 10,000 career client sessions... no fat loss, skin sensitivity or visual changes to any of the needled areas for needles between 1-4cm into the skin. I would be willing to propose that sub-skin scarring is actually a more common, non-functional complication of needling than local fat or dermal effects.
cheers 
Hi Tedde,
I've never heard of a physiotherapist that performs dermatological treatments...interesting...and thanks for the informative post above
However, re statistical analysis, don't worry about "studies" (as samples are often screened to favour a particular hypothesis and/ or they're often paid for by the laser businesses themselves that request only positive results)...instead, look at various reviews online, basically 50% approve of IPL/ Lasers and 50% don't...that's far too high a risk in my books....and many negative reviews report facial fat loss...there's also a website dedicated to documenting laser/ IPL damage (see http://www.iplandlaserdamage.com/Guestbook_IPL_Laserr_Commen.php ).
As, for acupuncture, yes, that seems to be a very safe modality...
Cheers
PS If your clinic has a far greater success rate using IPL/ lasers than average, perhaps, you should start a training facility and train others to do it right!
I've been rolling for 2 years and haven't had any problems. I only use the 1.5 mm roller. There's a risk if you use anything larger than that. So, maybe that's what caused your problem and if you were on accutane then for sure it'll ruin your skin. I think you have to wait like 6 months before getting any type of treatment on your skin.
I started this thread and haven't checked in for some time, I just wanted to update on what I have found out since.
At the time of my original post I had been relying on the various Doctors I had seen to tell me the truth, unfortunately not a single Dr that I have seen in this country would tell me the truth about what happened.
I ended up contacting a doctor in america who confirmed that the dermaroller caused an infection damaging the outer layers of my skin, the IPL that Dr Chu sent me to have caused damage in the deeper layers of my skin. My sweat glands no longer function and there is also damage to blood vessels, hair follicles and of course the fat loss too. My skin texture has been ruined. I still have the linear scars and the small rasied skin tags that Dr Chu's Dermaroller caused, and my face has never returned to it's natural colour since the day he first harmed me over 6 years ago.
It doesn't end there, so many vitims of IPL procedures have spoken about how their thyroid was also damaged, I asked for a blood test and I too am now being treated for hypothyroidism.
I had no warning that IPL was so dangerous and that it was responisble for destroying the lives of many hundreds of people. I warn anyone considering it do not put yourself at risk without reading the heartbreaking stories of those who have been harmed by it.
When Dr Chu first harmed me with the dermaroller he told me the cause was an infection and assured me my skin would heal. He also sent me for allergy tests. Only when my skin did not heal did he say to me "the dermaroller must have triggered rosacea". I had never had rosacea in my life, my skin colour was perfectly healthy when I went to see him.
He gave me pills for rosacea which had no effect, before he finally recommended and referred me for IPL. I assumed that having already harmed me once he would not do anything to put me at risk of further harm. I was not warned of ANY serious risks, and the fact sheet I was given does not mention the injuries that have happened to me and so many others as even possibilities.
Anyway, I was harmed, seriously harmed and what followed was disgraceful, the lengths that so called medical professionals went to to misdiagnose me, withold information from me, prevent me from finding out the full extent of the injuries I suffered and to prevent me from getting any help at all was staggering. I literally had to research and diagnose the injuries myself, I am indebted to the members of the IPLdamagesupport forum for their help.
If you learn anything from my misfortune, please take this advice, if you are going anywhere for treatment, take good quality close up photos of the area to be treated beforehand, and do not trust anyone with your health no matter what their 'reputation'. research everything beforehand, and in particular look for cases of those who have been harmed by the procedure you are considering, if you think you couldn't live with what happened to them, then stop, and do not go through with it. don't make the mistake of thinking this couldn't happen to you.
First time poster, I just wanted to warn people about my experiences with dermarollers.
I have had two dermaroller treatments and the second one effectively ruined my life.
It was carried out by Dr Chu in London nearly five years ago and my skin has still not healed.
Prior to this treatment I had only ever had mild but persistent acne over a long period of time, mostly isolated breakouts or just individual spots. These left some small acne scars which Dr Chu treated previously with subcision and isologen.
The derma roller felt like it shredded my skin beneath the surface, it has never felt the same to touch since, it lost its firmness and support. I knew it had been structurally damaged, though Dr Chu denied this.
I was later able to obtain proof via ultrasound scans. These showed a difference of 30% in my skin density between the area treated and the rest of my skin.
Id had a perfectly healthy and even skin colour, but since the moment Dr Chu finished his treatment my face went red and has never returned to its natural colour. I was sent for six or seven IPL laser treatments but this just reduced the redness to a more pinkish colour.
I was also left with linear scarring up to 2cm long and lots of 'pinhole' scars on the area treated.
I was told by a private dermatologist I went to see recently that the reason he does not use dermarollers is that they are not proven to be medically safe. (Dr Chu told me the best thing about this treatment is that there are no known side effects!)
I stumbled upon this article published in the Mail Online last year which refers to 43 reported cases of 'bad reactions' to this treatment:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2026700/Microneedle-Therapy-System-potentially-lethal-Chinese-women-warned.html
I can tell you from personal experience that this treatment is not safe. My advice to anyone who decides to go ahead with this procedure is to make sure you take close up photos of your skin before hand, as I have found out to my cost, if the doctor involved decides to try and deny responsibility you will find it very hard to get help from anyone.
The dermatologist I saw recently recommended pulse dye laser to improve the skin tone and a radiofrequency (intracel) treatment to treat the loss of firmness in my skin, I am a little reluctant to put my skin through anything traumatic as it seems to have no ability to heal now.
Has anyone had any of these treatments? What is the recovery time usually?
Also, does anyone have any advice/ recommendations on treatment for pinhole scars?
Finally, if anyone knows of any reputable dermatologists or skin specialists they have seen, preferably in the London area, who they think may be able to help me I would be glad to hear from them.
I wouldnt wish what happened to me on anyone and I will be happy to answer anyones questions about my experiences.
Sorry to have read about your bad experience with the dermarolleer but from what i have read doctor chu doesnt use the genuine dermaroller. Probably meaning your needles werent sterlised and werent made in a hygenic place. I guarantee you most of those cases you reported would have been from using seem cheap copy. I am booked in for the genuine dermaroller at a clinic next week will keep you updated on progress. In my opinion doctor chu seems reputable but i would definately never get a dermaroller treatment from him because he uses some cheap counterfeit who knows where the needles have come from
I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you Cade. And thanks for warning us of your experience.
Despite the severe damage caused to your skin, I do believe your skin can recover with the right therapy. It might take lots of research & seeing a tonne of professionals, but I'm sure you can recover your skin's health. (After all, some people can grow back a set of whole teeth!).
You might wish to look into beta glucan serum (and supplements too, the 1-3D variety). Perhaps, a medical grade. It's used on burns patients and dermabrasion/ plastic surgery patients.
You also might consider hyaluronic acid topicals (and the supplement too). However, please discuss this with a professional to ensure there are no contraindications using these on yourself.
For your immune system, you might consider glutathione injections, a potent antioxidant. Or eat raw natural vegan foods that boost glutathione production. Once again, please speak to a medical expert to ensure there are no contraindications incurred through eating these foods/ using glutathione.
Perhaps, light therapy would be useful too. However, please research thoroughly & speak to an expert skin specialist before using.
All the best!
PS My skin was a real 'disaster zone' awhile back and it's so amazing how well it's healed. So, if my skin can heal, I know anyone's skin can heal, including yours! Even structural/ DNA damage can be rectified. The human body and skin are an amazing system that can heal if given the right therapy/ nutrients.
PPS Fat grafting could also be an option (as others have mentioned). Maybe even skin grafting.
PPPS I'm not a fan of IPL or any lasers. Too risky! Thanks for your warning.
I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you Cade. And thanks for warning us of your experience.
Despite the severe damage caused to your skin, I do believe your skin can recover with the right therapy. It might take lots of research & seeing a tonne of professionals, but I'm sure you can recover your skin's health. (After all, some people can grow back a set of whole teeth!).
You might wish to look into beta glucan serum (and supplements too, the 1-3D variety). Perhaps, a medical grade. It's used on burns patients and dermabrasion/ plastic surgery patients.
You also might consider hyaluronic acid topicals (and the supplement too). However, please discuss this with a professional to ensure there are no contraindications using these on yourself.
For your immune system, you might consider glutathione injections, a potent antioxidant. Or eat raw natural vegan foods that boost glutathione production. Once again, please speak to a medical expert to ensure there are no contraindications incurred through eating these foods/ using glutathione.
Perhaps, light therapy would be useful too. However, please research thoroughly & speak to an expert skin specialist before using.
All the best!
PS My skin was a real 'disaster zone' awhile back and it's so amazing how well it's healed. So, if my skin can heal, I know anyone's skin can heal, including yours! Even structural/ DNA damage can be rectified. The human body and skin are an amazing system that can heal if given the right therapy/ nutrients.
PPS Fat grafting could also be an option (as others have mentioned). Maybe even skin grafting.
PPPS I'm not a fan of IPL or any lasers. Too risky! Thanks for your warning.
why did you block me i dont get some people all i did was ask you some questions
I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you Cade. And thanks for warning us of your experience.
Despite the severe damage caused to your skin, I do believe your skin can recover with the right therapy. It might take lots of research & seeing a tonne of professionals, but I'm sure you can recover your skin's health. (After all, some people can grow back a set of whole teeth!).
You might wish to look into beta glucan serum (and supplements too, the 1-3D variety). Perhaps, a medical grade. It's used on burns patients and dermabrasion/ plastic surgery patients.
You also might consider hyaluronic acid topicals (and the supplement too). However, please discuss this with a professional to ensure there are no contraindications using these on yourself.
For your immune system, you might consider glutathione injections, a potent antioxidant. Or eat raw natural vegan foods that boost glutathione production. Once again, please speak to a medical expert to ensure there are no contraindications incurred through eating these foods/ using glutathione.
Perhaps, light therapy would be useful too. However, please research thoroughly & speak to an expert skin specialist before using.
All the best!
PS My skin was a real 'disaster zone' awhile back and it's so amazing how well it's healed. So, if my skin can heal, I know anyone's skin can heal, including yours! Even structural/ DNA damage can be rectified. The human body and skin are an amazing system that can heal if given the right therapy/ nutrients.
PPS Fat grafting could also be an option (as others have mentioned). Maybe even skin grafting.
PPPS I'm not a fan of IPL or any lasers. Too risky! Thanks for your warning.
Aquasea, it was 'professionals' who did this to me and I am reluctant to ever see one again.
It's interesting you mention glutathione as I have just been researching this. I have just ordered some liposomal glutathione.
I've learnt a lot from members of the IPL damage support forum, they are very knowledgable, and have offered a lot of help and advice.
This past year I've tried to heal from the inside out, and have changed diet, tried every supplement, and am really on the antioxidant bandwagon now.
I'm also taking lots of systemic enzymes, my only hope is that my sweat glands are blocked by scar tissue and not destroyed. These enzymes are 'supposed' to dissolve scar tissue.
I haven't heard of glucan serum, but will look into it.
Do you have links to research on the structural/dna repair you refer to?
Hey I just want to give the dermaroller a try. I have some special spots to try it on. But my whole forehead is uneven is it better to use dermastamps on the spots and the whole roller for the forehead. I have a sugery scar, too. Does it help to blend the color more in the normal skin? Haven't experience with that and Im looking for a good doc to do it.
Hello Cade,
Thank you for sharing your post and your experiences. After reading your story I signed up just to post a comment lol. For all of those individuals that are looking for new skin care or other health treatments, what I have learned from graduate school and what not is to be VERY skeptical about anything sounding like a miracle because there is always an exception or a catch.
If you are desperately seeking something for severe acne, having recently found something from this website that actually worked for me, a good rule of thumb is to do your research! if a product hasn't been on the market and sold in stores for ages like benzoyl peroxide which worked for me, then chances are that is hasn't been tested rigorously enough with the general public.
When looking into things like this dermaroller, it is best to look at the clinical trial report. If a new product doesn't have one, you probably shouldn't try it. Keep an eye on the SAMPLE size and how many times this study has been replicated and where. This will give you an idea of whether or not the effectiveness was a fluke and if it has been repeated enough with a diverse population with diverse skin to give you an idea that it works for a broad range of ppl.
I also look at how long it has been on the market. Now something like a dermaroller hasn't been on the market that long to have many public reports of bad reactions and the Doc, seeing as how it is a new thing, prob wouldn't have much experience with it either. Just like going to a surgeon fresh out of med school for a triple bypass vs a seasoned 20 veteran surgeon.
Hope this way of doing your research helps, please let me know!
"PS Healthy food/ drink should be delicious just as much be nutritious !!!
PPS A few drops of copper peptides is also good..."
Bad advice! Supplementing your diet with copper is totally unnecessary, and can be poisonous.
From WebMD:
Copper is UNSAFE when used in large amounts. Adults should consume no more than 10 mg of copper per day. Kidney failure and death can occur with as little as 1 gram of copper sulfate. Symptoms of copper overdose include nausea, vomiting, bloodydiarrhea, fever, stomach pain, low blood pressure, anemia, and heart problems.
How many milligrams of copper are in a "couple drops" of copper peptide? Do you have any idea? It really bothers me when people give out terrible advice like this, and so casually too. You don't know who is reading this, or what harm you might be causing.
"PS Healthy food/ drink should be delicious just as much be nutritious !!!
PPS A few drops of copper peptides is also good..."
Bad advice! Supplementing your diet with copper is totally unnecessary, and can be poisonous.
From WebMD:
Copper is UNSAFE when used in large amounts. Adults should consume no more than 10 mg of copper per day. Kidney failure and death can occur with as little as 1 gram of copper sulfate. Symptoms of copper overdose include nausea, vomiting, bloodydiarrhea, fever, stomach pain, low blood pressure, anemia, and heart problems.
How many milligrams of copper are in a "couple drops" of copper peptide? Do you have any idea? It really bothers me when people give out terrible advice like this, and so casually too. You don't know who is reading this, or what harm you might be causing.
Do you have any information about topical copper peptide? Is it also dangerous? I'm using it right now, after skin needling. The only complaints I read about topical copper peptide here were related to ineffectiveness.
Thanks in advance!
Hi Cade ,
So sorry to hear about what you have to deal with now, I can relate to that as I am damaged by fraxel restore and after two years I'm loosing my hope of ever improving my skin.
I had moderate and scarring on my cheeks and wanted to ferris of them so badly, I feel so stupid now!! I would take my acne scars back in a heart beat if I could get rid of this awful skin that is full of holes from laser, literary sewing machine has ran over my face all over and if you look at my face, all you see is pinholes and shiny skin.
I'm also in Australia and was treated in Sydney by clinic run by dr garry cussell.
He wanted nothing to do with me after I complained and I was left to fend for myself.
Like you I was told it's safe procedure, I asked about risks so many times and still I was told it's completely safe.
I completely agree with the fact that dermatologists will never admit or explain what went wrong or how to treat it. I am also a member of [Removed] but I am becoming so depressed as nothing is helping and many are saying the damage continues years after treatment.
I believe you were treated too deeply, as you mentioned holes in your skin and that is common for people treated with too deeply. It simply damages too deep and dermis cannot grow back, same thing with acne scars , if they go too deep it simply destroys underlying tissues and leaves a depression.
I never heard needling can do damage like this I'm am so sorry for the pain, nothing compares to watching your face deteriorate in such rapid way.
Ok, this may help explain a little further what happened.
Dr Chu harmed me with a dermaroller on the 11th September 2007. Go to this thread:
Scroll down to 'pumpkins' post on 19th March 2009:
"Went to see Dr Chu yesterday for a dermaroller session, he told me that there is now to be a change to the dermaroller usage.
Due to H&S, he is no longer allowed to use a dermaroller more than ONCE."
Due to 'health and safety' he is no longer allowed to use a dermaroller more than once.
I believe now the dermaroller he used on me was not sterile and it caused a serious infection.
Dr Chu's original diagnosis was infection, it was only when my skin didn't heal that he said 'the dermaroller must have triggered rosacea'
and he then sent me to have IPL.
I didn't stand a chance.
Ok, this may help explain a little further what happened.
Dr Chu harmed me with a dermaroller on the 11th September 2007. Go to this thread:
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/213901-i-had-dermaroller-done-by-dr-chu/page-3
Scroll down to 'pumpkins' post on 19th March 2009:
"Went to see Dr Chu yesterday for a dermaroller session, he told me that there is now to be a change to the dermaroller usage.
Due to H&S, he is no longer allowed to use a dermaroller more than ONCE."
Due to 'health and safety' he is no longer allowed to use a dermaroller more than once.
I believe now the dermaroller he used on me was not sterile and it caused a serious infection.
Dr Chu's original diagnosis was infection, it was only when my skin didn't heal that he said 'the dermaroller must have triggered rosacea'
and he then sent me to have IPL.
I didn't stand a chance.
Oh my, that is awful what happend to you. I'm so sorry, that must have been absolutely terrible to go through. Wow, to think a professional Dermatologist could be this careless! How is your skin now? ]
Hi No Hope
I have already fixed most of my acne scarring in the past...I had shallow rolling scars and rough skin texture....I also had lots of red skin through major BP damage and my forehead was severely damaged by longterm BP use i.e. very lined, mottled, aged, pigmented, bumpy, asphyxiated....
I returned recently on this board because I badly burned my skin through using a glycolic acid peel + retin a....in the past, I had no problem with the glycolic acid peel, but the retin a thinned my skin and 3 months ago, I received 2nd degree burns to my face...and they were very bad...It's taken me 3 months to recover from it....beta glucan liquid helped my skin grow back & the intensive single needle pricking helped the collagen to reform (I know it's not advisable, but I used a hygienic safety pin to needle my skin - of course, it's better to use a lancet or proper single needle from owndoc.com)...I'm 90-95% recovered (it truly amazes me to see my face now from where it was just 3 months ago!!!)...I also managed to recently heal a TCA scar, some scars on my chin and 3 surgical scars on my cheeks from mole removals (I massaged my skin along with single intensive skin needling/ rolling for 4 weeks and the scars have just about disappeared - however, you need to eat/ drink super healthy & to use retin a, fresh lemon juice to maximise results)....indeed, healing scars it quite easy to do...it just takes time (1 month for skin cells to renew and 2-3 months for collagen to reform - NB gentle daily exercise helps kick-start the production of your human growth hormones/ factors ), healthy eating, retin a, vitamin c (I now advocate fresh lemon juice not glycolic acid peels), B3 niacinamide (this transformed my forehead! But use it in a proper serum otherwise it could scar your skin as it can exfoliate your skin aggressively), beta glucan liquid, intensive single needling for deep/ stubborn scars and weekly skin rolling with either a 0.25mm or 0.5mm dermaroller. You need a consistent, longterm, multi-pronged approach...
So, it took about 1.5 years to heal most of my acne scarring i.e. 95%...however, the red skin is chronic...this has been by far the most difficult thing to rectify in my experience (and my forehead too)...I guess my skin is still healing from the severe BP damage...however, it is getting much better from using the fresh lemon juice & super green face masks i.e. super green powder by Synergy Natural {chlorella/ spirulina/ wheat grass/ barley grass) + Manuka honey (factor 10) + fresh lemon juice. Also, I drink a fresh veg/ fruit juice daily with a scoop of super green powder. This helps heal my body at a DNA/ RNA level. And I try to get a little sunlight daily on my skin too for vitamin D.
I know that everyone can heal their skin, they just need to take a holistic approach, use key topicals that work and be diligent over 1 to 2 year period. However, if you don't eat healthy, are feeling down all the time and drink soda/ coffee/ teas etc, you aren't going to heal your skin. That's because your skin can only heal if you are feeling your best, eating/ drinking very healthy, gently exercising & generally at your optimum wellness level. Only then can dermarolling work. Because for collagen to begin reforming after the controlled injury to your skin through dermarolling, your body needs optimum nutrition & a strong immunity - otherwise, the dermaroller won't work effectively. The key to maximise dermarolling results is to get super healthy, fit, well & use key topicals...i.e. cultivate a super positive mindset before you start dermarolling/ eat well/ drink well/ gently exercise/ use good topicals/ sleep well/ be well...then when you dermaroll, you'll see results within 2 to 3 months that will motivate you to keep-up with the dermarolling & healthy lifestyle. Just keep assessing your progress every 2-3 months to get a true indication of how well dermarolling is improving your skin.
Lastly, YOU MUST DO MORE INTENSIVE SINGLE NEEDLING ON MAJOR SCARS/ DEEP SCARS. Massaging the area for 15 -30 minutes after needling is also very helpful (use a natural oil like grapeseed, rosehip, jojoba, and then wash off if you're still acne prone). You should follow the needling with fresh lemon juice and on occasion, retin a, beta glucan and a dermatological serum with B3 Niacinamide. See The Body Deli, Pure Skin Junkie, Jes Organics, Bion Research etc for some good topicals...
Cheers
Hi Aquasea, Im truly fascinated by your approach, and feel more positive about my skin after reading this, have you shared your skincare routine and health protocol somewhere? I been taking MSM and Vit c pills, glycolic peels(liquid gold by alpha h), overnight peel by Khiels, and pitted scars are the same. Do you drink the lemon juice or apply it? I will research all the products you mentioned, I do feel my skin gets better when I exercise but I though it was a fluke.
Thanks for posting.
Hi Cade, I am so sorry to hear about your experience. It is not fare what you have gone through 
I have lived with acne and acne scaring for years. I had come to the point in my life where I thought that there was no hope and I would just have to live with it the rest of my life. I had someone suggest to me to try dermarolling, and after reading your story I am so glad I didn't try it. I started to look into what I could do to help, and the past two months have changed my life forever. I am so grateful to have found a product that is using new technology to heal skin at the cellular level I have taken before and after pictures and I am amazed how well my scars are healing My scaring is the worst on my shoulders, and even just after a week all my scars started to smooth out and the redness reduced. The best part is that it's all natural and I know I am not harming my skin only healing it from the inside out.
The more I research so called acne scar treatments the more I hear about concerns of issues created by so called experts. Dr Chu is a renowned expert in this field but with his patient or is that customer, raising concerns about his treatment and it seems he has gone in to legal mode of denying any responsibility.
I'm really getting increasingly torn between what is the best course regarding skin anomalies and 'imperfections'. Is the best course one of action with treatments to change the appearance or are these simply rituals which make us believe that something is happening.
It gets even more confusing in these days of photoshopping to know who is telling the truth. If the best option is to stay with the discomfort we have over appearance issues then this may be the only real therapy and treatment. BUt then if the available treatments out there do minimise these appearance issues then this may be the best course. I must admit I have largely chosen the latter but now begin to seriously wonder if its the former.
On another note Cade if I were you I would seriously consider sueing Dr Chu. Talk to a few no win no fee solicitors or if you feel that strongly consider paying a solicitor. Appearance in the UK is kind of weird in that the medical profession doesn't treat it very seriously it seems but if the ball was on the other foot I'm sure they would be different.
