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Hey zapzap, are you doing it aggressively enough? I find that the time that I went over the skin multiple times and got all bloody was the time with the most improvement.
I saw on the Doctors TV show that your not suppose to do it to hard. Also the thought of needles picking through your skin creeps me out :S
All I know is the derma roller caused a lot of damage to perfectly healthy skin and now I feel like I need to have a laser just to repair the dermarolling damage (not even worried about scars anymore). And in the back of my mind I'm even reluctant to do that because I'm at the point of not wanting to risk sny more damage to my skin from anything else such as a powerful laser
In the beginning I derma rolled to no avail then I started to be more aggressive with it. It was a bloody mess and I had tiny red dots that took a couple of days to subside. It looked like a rash maybe even hives. Anyhow, it started looking great for a very long while but sadly it was just the micro-swelling because, as time when by, it went back to the way it use to look.
what is your definition of 'very long while' because micro swelling never last for a 'very long while' according to my defintion lol.
Guys, i havent even started needling yet but i'm hoping it works. I can relate to those who are so against it becaus fraxel absolutely f*cked my skin up. The scars did improve in texture but depth now, and texture of my healthy skin looks like SH*T now thanks to that laser but, I can understand that some others may have got pleasing results from fraxel. It's really about the doc giving you proper advice and not selling you the treatment but rather giving you options.
I like the idea of needling because I understand the way it works and also, I control the needles not some f*ckhead doctor who goes off into his own world. Plus, chances of pigmentation issues are a lot less serious then lasers.
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@Zipzap
Here is a link to the article. Basically they did 2 treatments spaced 8 weeks apart and after 16 weeks after the first treatment they evaluated the skin. The discussion is interesting as they propose 2 healing mechanisms, the more recent one being that the use of very fine needles close to each other somehow tricks the skin into thinking there is injury while there is none really, as the epidermis stays practically intact.
This is an elaborate overview of the available scar treatments by the same author.
I guess I'm the many who didn't see any improvements in my scars (I have rolling scars). The only thing I see questionable in the first PDF (second PDF corrupted when trying to view) patients used an AHA/Zinc product prior to the procedure. Was I the only one who couldn't decipher Figure 3 patient graph. The study also stated more intensive research is being conducted. Any updates on that since this study was conducted in 2008?
My derma roller looks just like the one in the picture. I didn't see much improvements with the after picture. All mine ever did for me was caused irritation, bleeding, and swelling.
@Zipzapis a link to the article. Basically they did 2 treatments spaced 8 weeks apart and after 16 weeks after the first treatment they evaluated the skin. The discussion is interesting as they propose 2 healing mechanisms, the more recent one being that the use of very fine needles close to each other somehow tricks the skin into thinking there is injury while there is none really, as the epidermis stays practically intact.
is an elaborate overview of the available scar treatments by the same author.
Thanks, Substate!
ok so everyone is bashing the dermarollerBUT ok, u do have the swelling but isnt the swelling a good thing? I understand that the scars return but i mean when they do cant you dermaroll it again and have the swelling and feel great?
Even though it is swelling?
That's exactly how I feel! People have this notion that you can get rid of scars completely which is rubbish. I'm totally OK with microswelling. I really want to try rolling but I'm getting subcision soon so I don't want to start before that. I have to ask the dr if I can roll afterwards and how long I need to wait. Then I'm trying it.
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I spent $20 on a dermastamp which I used for about five treatments over the course of half a year. I use Retin-A regularly, but I took a week break from it every time I stamped myself so I can hardly call it a complementary topical.
About a 30-40% improvement in my scars. They were moderately severe... now they're moderate at worst.
To put things in perspective -- just remember that the ones that are most discontent are the ones that yell the loudest.
Where did you get your stamp?
All I know is the derma roller caused a lot of damage to perfectly healthy skin and now I feel like I need to have a laser just to repair the dermarolling damage (not even worried about scars anymore). And in the back of my mind I'm even reluctant to do that because I'm at the point of not wanting to risk sny more damage to my skin from anything else such as a powerful laser
try ipl laser
I concur. I've been saying all along that dermal rollers aren't effective as to why it's always combined with topical agents like Retin-A, CP, etc. This is coming from someone who dermal rolled for over a year. The results seen is either because of micro swelling (temporary) and/or topical agents.
Same. I've dermarolled and needled over 30 times over the past 2 years and my face looks much much worse, I have more scars than when I started, they are in crazier and more dramatic looking shapes (which makes them more noticeable, and more unnatural looking), and in a way the texture of my skin has degraded down to the level of a burn victim. Though I did several laser treatments in the past that may have contributed to this as texture as well.
One of my scars has morphed into a huge line across my face, from what was just a small indent. Wasn't like that at all untill dermarolling. It literally became inches across straight line scar. I don't know how it happened or why, just that I have been breakout free for years now and that it's really unnatural looking compared to what it was.
I agree with you completely, particularly your point about the texture of your skin. I too feel my skin has become much worse under dermaroller.
When you really think about it, the concept of repeatably jabbing your face with needles surely can't be a good thing.
fraxel laser can share the same attributes as it makes holes in the skin so collagen can fill in...this isn't always the case cause not everything goes as plan..the same with dermarolling.
My face swells after rolling and bleeds too. I think it's like working out to grow muscle you have to do it properly. You can spend a year at the gym and get minimal results if not done correctly (diet, regimen etc). And if done right you can change you're body in 4 months. Just an example. It's not how many times you do it, it's about doing it properly. Plus it's not an overnite success. Don't give up, re examine your routine
Thank you for your posts, I too have used the dermaroller for over a year now and have seen little improvement. Worse, I think a couple of my scars has lengthened as a result. Having read some brilliant testimonials in the past, I was beginning to think I was doing some thing wrong.
So reading these posts has set my mind at rest. Guess who is throwing her dermaroller away?
i understand where the person who started this topic is comming from. When dermarolling u go over healthy unscarred skin making u end up with aditional scarring. Also i think its a must to use dermarolling/stamping with LED'S!! i bet if eveyrone on here used LED'S in there routine there results would be completley different. Also please explain how individual needling is worse then dermarolling? it makes no sense since with individual needling u can focus on just the scars. I personally will never try dermarolling because it seems so stupid to me. I am leaning towards individual needling with LED'S and regular copper peptides not that ''super cp serum'' bullcrap. I myself probably have worse scarring then many ppl on here. icepcisk and box scars are worse then rolling scars i dont care what anyone says.I come on this site everyday to find answers, not for fun, only because I am a true acne scar sufferer and my life has changed complelety. Ill do anything in this world to have my skin back how it used to be!
Can you speak a little more about LEDS. I'm not sure what they are or their purpose or if you can even do it at home? I'm considering dermarolling (not a fan of lasers or any sort of surgery).
i understand where the person who started this topic is comming from. When dermarolling u go over healthy unscarred skin making u end up with aditional scarring. Also i think its a must to use dermarolling/stamping with LED'S!! i bet if eveyrone on here used LED'S in there routine there results would be completley different. Also please explain how individual needling is worse then dermarolling? it makes no sense since with individual needling u can focus on just the scars. I personally will never try dermarolling because it seems so stupid to me. I am leaning towards individual needling with LED'S and regular copper peptides not that ''super cp serum'' bullcrap. I myself probably have worse scarring then many ppl on here. icepcisk and box scars are worse then rolling scars i dont care what anyone says.I come on this site everyday to find answers, not for fun, only because I am a true acne scar sufferer and my life has changed complelety. Ill do anything in this world to have my skin back how it used to be!
Many people give up after 3-4 months of rolling and say dermarolling is crap but
The full cycle of collagen production is a very slow, multi-stage process which can't be rushed. Don't expect quick miracles. It can take up to 10 months to get substantial results. It is essential to stick to the schedule and don't give up after a few rollings. It is not true that the more frequently you roll the better results you obtain. The skin has to be regenerated after each roll and the initially trigged new collagen will be eventually turned into even a different type of collagen. Good results often start to appear only after approximately ten months. After that, with every passing month, if you keep rolling, the results will improve. So if you want substantial, permanent results, you need to roll at least for about 15 to 20 months.
source: owndoc.com
It has worked for me!!! I have been rolling at home for over 2 years and it has definitely helped my scars. No it won't completely get rid of them but the little ones (icepick) completely filled in (and I had tons and tons and tons of them) and my big one filled in by 50% AND it helps with my smile line wrinkles. No change in forehead wrinkles, one rolling scar and line scar though.
I know it takes about a year or 2 for scars to heal on their own but I saw results almost immediatly (after about 6-8 weeks of rolling). This is after the microswelling went down.
Also, since I am rolling at home and I don't do it often (once every 6-8 weeks), the needles on my roller are still nice and sharp and I haven't had to replace it yet. This is after 2 years of use. If you're using it all the time (like some people do which is a waste of time in my opinion...you need to give your skin time work its magic), then you will definitely have to replace the roller more often...probably like every couple of months or so.
Of course we need topicals for it to work. That is what it's all about...creating those little holes (to trick our body into thinking it's been damaged but it's alway a way for us to get those topicals deep inside of our skin) so that your skin and soak in all the topicals that will help your skin regenerate. If you don't use topicals, then you probably won't see results but if you don't create a way to get those topicals deep into your skin you won't see results.
Don't waste your money on professionals. Do it yourself at home and save some money.
Your right, it doesn't work for everybody. I wish we knew why. I've seen studies on dermarolling with pictures and even in the studies it didn't work on everybody. It's too bad. Our bodies are different. We all heal differently. Why is it that some people scar while others don't? I am one of those people who scars...my mother on the other hand, who also has cystic acne, has never scarred. Why is that? It's the same with the dermaroller. It helps some people and does nothing for others. 
i understand where the person who started this topic is comming from. When dermarolling u go over healthy unscarred skin making u end up with aditional scarring. Also i think its a must to use dermarolling/stamping with LED'S!! i bet if eveyrone on here used LED'S in there routine there results would be completley different. Also please explain how individual needling is worse then dermarolling? it makes no sense since with individual needling u can focus on just the scars. I personally will never try dermarolling because it seems so stupid to me. I am leaning towards individual needling with LED'S and regular copper peptides not that ''super cp serum'' bullcrap. I myself probably have worse scarring then many ppl on here. icepcisk and box scars are worse then rolling scars i dont care what anyone says.I come on this site everyday to find answers, not for fun, only because I am a true acne scar sufferer and my life has changed complelety. Ill do anything in this world to have my skin back how it used to be!