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(@ernestoria)

Posted : 02/04/2010 4:53 pm

So.. hello everyone again!!!!

 

Apologies for not posting as regularly as before but I finally went back to work and have resumed my life and it has been very busy especially after starting to go out more than before and going back to education as well! :) ... soo... sorry for being absent with updates and not posting new pics.

 

So... in order to answer many of your questions and concerns:

 

Yes, micro-swelling has gone and the results are not as great as before. If when I posted the pics I could have said results were about 85% , I could now say the results are about 55%.

 

But HEY!... this was expected and we all knew it... the Dr also told me this was expected and if you read my earlier posts you will find my comments when I mentioned this back then... The Dr said the effectiveness of results would drop between week 6 and 12 and then the regeneration of collagen would begin bringing improvements back. So.. at the moment I am going through that dip and I could say results are about 50-60%. ... and I agree a bit of a kick in the stomach but if I am honest with myself, I decided to do this expecting no more than 30-40% improvement... so What am I complaining about??????... I should be SUPER HAPPY for what I have achieved... thing is, we human beings always want more and want perfection! So... I seem to have got used to my new skin now and now I am just looking at that 40% that didnt go away!... :)

 

So... conclusion is, micro-swelling is gone and results have drop to probably about 55%, but I am still very very happy and I cannot wait to see the skin improve further over the next 2-4 months when collage begins to regenerate. :dance:

 

I went to see Dr Khan last week and I am enquiring about having Stem Cells in the next month or two to take things as close to perfection as possible. If stem cells bring me an additional 30% improvement then we would be looking at around 85-90% permanent results with both procedures.

 

On a more personal note, let's not forget that we would hardly get 100% improvement. Miracles of that magnitude dont happen. This is a journey and I am just beginning but I think that it is silly for us to expect to get 100% improvement and perfect skin. So, let's also be sensible and realistic. We are all different too. I think what matters here is that each of us do the best we can to get to a point when we feel more comfortable with ourselves, for some that would be two treatments, for others a few more. We are all on this together. Let's believe and keep the smile and hopes up.

 

I will post new pics as soon as possible!

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(@michael24)

Posted : 02/04/2010 5:40 pm

No need to apologize, no one expects you to be here every second of the day. As you stated no one including you thought the treatemnts would result in 100% improvement but, 55% is still amazing considering the severity of your scars, not to mention that most people do not get 50% improvement. Keep us updated when you feel you have the time. I am in school at the moment but during summer break I will definitely be seeing Dr. Khan.

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Posted : 02/04/2010 6:12 pm

55%, that's still awesome man, I've only got 10-15% improvement and i've done a shitload of stuff in the past five years. I'm happy for ya dude, I hope it continues to improve for you.

 

 

I don't get it though, you said that dr. kahn took skin from your neck for your "re-cell" thing, isn't that just a skin graft? Or did he do something different when he implanted the skin from your neck over your scars? Or am I just confused and "re-cell" is another word for skin grafts?

 

The reason I ask is because I have an appointment with another plastic surgeon next week and I was planning on asking about skin grafts for my scars as well.

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(@michael24)

Posted : 02/04/2010 6:40 pm

55%, that's still awesome man, I've only got 10-15% improvement and i've done a shitload of stuff in the past five years. I'm happy for ya dude, I hope it continues to improve for you.

 

 

I don't get it though, you said that dr. kahn took skin from your neck for your "re-cell" thing, isn't that just a skin graft? Or did he do something different when he implanted the skin from your neck over your scars? Or am I just confused and "re-cell" is another word for skin grafts?

 

The reason I ask is because I have an appointment with another plastic surgeon next week and I was planning on asking about skin grafts for my scars as well.

 

It is all explained here there are even some pictures:Re-Cell

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(@mchlle)

Posted : 02/04/2010 7:23 pm

The question to me is... what is 95% improvement really?

 

You will still be left with a face full a scars, but they will be more shallow? Or will they actually decrease in size? I dont get it really. I don't see how "improvement" is gonna satisfy me. Even if my scarring will become more shallow, it's still there for everyone to see?

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(@usacc)

Posted : 02/04/2010 7:24 pm

Well, its better to see improvement in terms of how much it bothers you. 50% improvement may be 80% in terms of bothersome scale. Especially for guys. Also depends on how good looking a guy is on the overall basis (i.e. bone structure, proportions, symmetry etc.). Look at chris pine. That dude has a sh**tload of scars, but he's SUPER good looking.

 

For you for example, you could take a picture with you smiling into the camera...perhaps with a little bit of a shaving shadow. Slight angle. I guess you'll get 8+ on hotornot.

 

For girls it could be different.

 

About pictures, It'll be great if you can post from different angles i.e. 45 deg, side profile and front...thanks.

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(@mchlle)

Posted : 02/04/2010 7:34 pm

But can relatively shallow scarring be completely removed?

 

My scars aren't very deep, it's hard to see the indentation at all, unless under certain angles close up. However you do see the shadows, or just a different color of skin. So... % improvement won't really do much if it can't erase the scarringtissue?

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(@aspirin)

Posted : 02/04/2010 7:39 pm

Dude, your skin looks amazing! I just finished my 4th treatment of fraxel restore, and I was shaking like a crackhead throughout. Can't imagine what repair feels like :shock:

 

I am sure your results have given a lot of people hope on this board.

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(@usacc)

Posted : 02/04/2010 7:45 pm

maybe...maybe not..depends on how much $ u want to spend and patience while skin heals etc.

 

But can relatively shallow scarring be completely removed?

 

My scars aren't very deep, it's hard to see the indentation at all, unless under certain angles close up. However you do see the shadows, or just a different color of skin. So... % improvement won't really do much if it can't erase the scarringtissue?

 

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(@kkwu0129)

Posted : 02/04/2010 8:10 pm

good luck

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(@cheerfulgal)

Posted : 02/04/2010 8:51 pm

For girls it could be different.

EXACTLY! what makes it worse is that women age faster than men..

i mean guys are attractive when they are successful and talented, but women..

Geez gonna find a plastic surgery to help turn me into a guy.

 

and CONGRATULATION! its a great improvement already! hope ure getting better and better!

best wishes =)

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(@Anonymous)

Posted : 02/04/2010 8:55 pm

But can relatively shallow scarring be completely removed?

 

My scars aren't very deep, it's hard to see the indentation at all, unless under certain angles close up. However you do see the shadows, or just a different color of skin. So... % improvement won't really do much if it can't erase the scarringtissue?

 

Does it really matter (for you)? You just said yourself that you can't even see your scars unless they're under the light and at certain angles. Why would you even want to bother improving them if that's the case? Just be glad that you don't have bad scars and go on with your life. If you can't even see your scars unless they're under "certain angles and close up", then what the hell man, doesn't that answer your own question?...

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(@usacc)

Posted : 02/04/2010 9:53 pm

Its not as much as you think it is. Post a pics of your scars...

 

For girls it could be different.

EXACTLY! what makes it worse is that women age faster than men..

i mean guys are attractive when they are successful and talented, but women..

Geez gonna find a plastic surgery to help turn me into a guy.

 

and CONGRATULATION! its a great improvement already! hope ure getting better and better!

best wishes =)

 

 

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(@user80848)

Posted : 02/04/2010 11:42 pm

Does it really matter (for you)? You just said yourself that you can't even see your scars unless they're under the light and at certain angles. Why would you even want to bother improving them if that's the case? Just be glad that you don't have bad scars and go on with your life. If you can't even see your scars unless they're under "certain angles and close up", then what the hell man, doesn't that answer your own question?...

 

It may be that she's a girl and girls tend to be more sensitive about imperfections. I'd kill to have shallow scars that only show up in 'certain angles and close ups,' so I guess I'm more of a minority on the board compared to most others.

 

Personally, it really sucks having to be the only guy amongst my friends who's still single and without much of a career. My best friend is about to have his second kid and my brother is about to have his first, and my other friends are mostly all married and/or have kids. I'm a godfather and a soon to be uncle, but won't be a father for a while I think. My scars have been with me for a while and although I can make the argument that my skin is looking better than it did 2 years ago, it's still nothing I'd brag about. This summer I am going to a wedding and also going to be visiting a dear friend I haven't seen in a while, so I'm excited but also dreading the day due to my scars. Oy vey.

 

Ernestoria, thanks for replying with an update. I agree with everything you said about having hope and staying positive, staying the course. You have the right mindset for this journey and I applaud you for your efforts. But WOW, 55% is some serious improvement no matter what anyone says. I truly hope it will only get better from there. You seem like a cool dude who deserves a better life from before, and also brave. Keep us updated and I look forward to your future pics and updates. :)

 

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(@werdemup)

Posted : 02/05/2010 12:47 am

The question to me is... what is 95% improvement really?

 

You will still be left with a face full a scars, but they will be more shallow? Or will they actually decrease in size? I dont get it really. I don't see how "improvement" is gonna satisfy me. Even if my scarring will become more shallow, it's still there for everyone to see?

thiss is what i always think about

so is that 95% improvent on your scars or like 95% almost perfect

as i read that back it sounds confusing hopefully someone understands ha

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(@ernestoria)

Posted : 02/05/2010 2:19 am

I think this is all very subjective and depends on people's perception of their own skin.

 

For me this is two fold:

 

a) The very shallow scars disappeared completely. (when I post the new pics you will be able to see the area around the nose and lower cheeks).

 

b) The depth of the deep scars. Some of my deepest scars have now become 'shallower' (if you can use that term!). So, they are still there but they dont look as bad. So.. even though some are still there they dont look as pronounced and as bad as before in different lighting situations. The pigmentation has also improved.

 

YOU define what is improvement for you. If you want 95% area of your face with PERFECT SKIN, radiant, fresh and like a baby's bottom, then I think you have a bit of a challenge ahead!

 

If 95% improvement is not going to satisfy you, then do do anything about it.

 

The question to me is... what is 95% improvement really?

 

You will still be left with a face full a scars, but they will be more shallow? Or will they actually decrease in size? I dont get it really. I don't see how "improvement" is gonna satisfy me. Even if my scarring will become more shallow, it's still there for everyone to see?

 

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(@acnepwns)

Posted : 02/05/2010 2:38 am

Well, its better to see improvement in terms of how much it bothers you. 50% improvement may be 80% in terms of bothersome scale. Especially for guys. Also depends on how good looking a guy is on the overall basis (i.e. bone structure, proportions, symmetry etc.). Look at chris pine. That dude has a sh**tload of scars, but he's SUPER good looking.

 

For you for example, you could take a picture with you smiling into the camera...perhaps with a little bit of a shaving shadow. Slight angle. I guess you'll get 8+ on hotornot.

 

For girls it could be different.

 

About pictures, It'll be great if you can post from different angles i.e. 45 deg, side profile and front...thanks.

Sorry but Chris Pine doesn't have a lot of scars!! He barely has very little scars on his cheeks and they are really shallow

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(@mchlle)

Posted : 02/05/2010 5:31 am

But can relatively shallow scarring be completely removed?

 

My scars aren't very deep, it's hard to see the indentation at all, unless under certain angles close up. However you do see the shadows, or just a different color of skin. So... % improvement won't really do much if it can't erase the scarringtissue?

 

Does it really matter (for you)? You just said yourself that you can't even see your scars unless they're under the light and at certain angles. Why would you even want to bother improving them if that's the case? Just be glad that you don't have bad scars and go on with your life. If you can't even see your scars unless they're under "certain angles and close up", then what the hell man, doesn't that answer your own question?...

 

Well Chris, it really bothers me. When I see my skin in the car mirror when light shines from behind (I'm sure you all know what im talking about!) I just feel like dropping off a building. And the scars can be seen in alot of lighting, you just don't see the indentation. It kinda looks like red marks, but upclose you can see they are actually indented. I will post some pics some day. Most of these red marks starting going indented the last couple of months after being flat first. Damn accutane!

 

For the record: I recently had laser (smartxide) and it did nothing at all.

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(@unluckyguy123)

Posted : 02/05/2010 5:44 am

How long will stem cells last for?

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Posted : 02/05/2010 9:09 am

I think the biggest doubt is how long these "stem cells" will work for. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that stem cells will lead to an improvement of 60%+, the only question is how long they will last for.

 

I believe Dr Khan has used stem cells for breast scars, and it has last past one year. However, he is new to acne scarring and as I understand it correctly, he has been doing it for less than 1 year. So, the question therefore lies - will the effect of the stell cells on the scarred area be visible after 1 year?

 

I emailed an expert acne doctor to find out his views, and he told me:

 

"Only about 30% of transplanted adipose-derived stem cells survive beyond 12 months period. That is why 3 treatments are typically needed fully restore tissue to near normal volume". Like PRP therapies, stem cell therapy is still at its infancy and not well documented/researched in terms of efficacy and safety. I've have a few patient's from UK, who received adipose stem cell treatment from a doctor in London. They told me that they were satisfied with the result initially, but after 10~12 months their scars came back".

 

Learning from this, it appears that stem cells will not last past a year. However, this is an opinion based on a practising doctor who is a leading expert on scar treatment.

 

I am thinking of having a consultation with Dr Khan. For A100, it is fully worth it to see what he thinks.

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(@mchlle)

Posted : 02/05/2010 10:11 am

A100 for a consult... what a scam. Reason enough for me not to see him.

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(@michael24)

Posted : 02/05/2010 11:42 am

I think the biggest doubt is how long these "stem cells" will work for. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that stem cells will lead to an improvement of 60%+, the only question is how long they will last for.

 

I believe Dr Khan has used stem cells for breast scars, and it has last past one year. However, he is new to acne scarring and as I understand it correctly, he has been doing it for less than 1 year. So, the question therefore lies - will the effect of the stell cells on the scarred area be visible after 1 year?

 

I emailed an expert acne doctor to find out his views, and he told me:

 

"Only about 30% of transplanted adipose-derived stem cells survive beyond 12 months period. That is why 3 treatments are typically needed fully restore tissue to near normal volume". Like PRP therapies, stem cell therapy is still at its infancy and not well documented/researched in terms of efficacy and safety. I've have a few patient's from UK, who received adipose stem cell treatment from a doctor in London. They told me that they were satisfied with the result initially, but after 10~12 months their scars came back".

 

Learning from this, it appears that stem cells will not last past a year. However, this is an opinion based on a practising doctor who is a leading expert on scar treatment.

 

I am thinking of having a consultation with Dr Khan. For A100, it is fully worth it to see what he thinks.

 

Have you people even read the thread? Ernest did not have stem cell injections done. He had Re-Cell. This treatment was to aid in the rebuilding of skin/scar tissue and healing time.

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(@usacc)

Posted : 02/05/2010 12:33 pm

These are two different types of treatments. If you're using fat as a volume filler---that's what you're really talking about when you say adipose stem cells.

 

In this case, stem cells were sprayed on to the skin and not really used as a filler. So i'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

I think the biggest doubt is how long these "stem cells" will work for. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that stem cells will lead to an improvement of 60%+, the only question is how long they will last for.

 

I believe Dr Khan has used stem cells for breast scars, and it has last past one year. However, he is new to acne scarring and as I understand it correctly, he has been doing it for less than 1 year. So, the question therefore lies - will the effect of the stell cells on the scarred area be visible after 1 year?

 

I emailed an expert acne doctor to find out his views, and he told me:

 

"Only about 30% of transplanted adipose-derived stem cells survive beyond 12 months period. That is why 3 treatments are typically needed fully restore tissue to near normal volume". Like PRP therapies, stem cell therapy is still at its infancy and not well documented/researched in terms of efficacy and safety. I've have a few patient's from UK, who received adipose stem cell treatment from a doctor in London. They told me that they were satisfied with the result initially, but after 10~12 months their scars came back".

 

Learning from this, it appears that stem cells will not last past a year. However, this is an opinion based on a practising doctor who is a leading expert on scar treatment.

 

I am thinking of having a consultation with Dr Khan. For A100, it is fully worth it to see what he thinks.

 

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(@acnepwns)

Posted : 02/05/2010 2:32 pm

A100 for a consult... what a scam. Reason enough for me not to see him.

Perhaps Dr. Khan would deduct that A100 off your treatment. You should really call in and ask.

 

I'm sure that Dr. Khan is a really busy derm.

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(@ernestoria)

Posted : 02/05/2010 6:50 pm

If you are going for acne scaring consultation there is no fee.

A100 is for patients that go to see him for proper medical conditions, not cosmetic.

 

A100 for a consult... what a scam. Reason enough for me not to see him.

 

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