Im begiining to worry it is all a hoax and he did not get the response from the treatment he was looking for. I hope he did, but deep inside I know he probably did not. I find it so hard to believe he could improve that severity of scarring.

 

 

Think about why you think this. You are vulnerable and you feel that since you are vulnerable you will be taken advantage of. I might be wrong, but you're most likely deferring to your own experience with a dermatologist where you were left disappointed. It only takes one dermatologist to plant the seeds of doubt. I suggest you take the initiative and do some digging around on google and finding out for yourself about the potency and promise of stem cells in an attempt to ease your doubts. You have to remember even while his scars are quite dramatic that each treatment is accumulative and will ultimately push the results past 75% improvement and beyond.

 

Myself and many others on this board are in the same situation as you. PM me or post here if you have questions.

 

Edit: another bit of information I've acquired is that a lot of clinics offer free consultations through email for these type of treatments and some might do phone ones too.

 

 

I am about to drop several grand on deep fx on 8/31, but would love to have it in combo with RECELL. They have an office here in the States...MA, as a matter of fact. Is it possible for me to push my doc toward this?

 

Frankly and based upon my own experience I would forgo the deep fx. I personally haven't had that specific treatment but I have had a very similar one called the eMatrix and without going into too much detail about an emotionally charged topic it was an abysmal experience in terms of expectations and results.

I would absolutely push your doctor to pursue adopting recell for use in their practice. If I recall correctly, it is just making its debut in the US so the more doctors that know about it the better.

I would strongly suggest taking your money and using it to get the combination treatment you were talking about. Ultimately, it's your decision. Best of luckahope you get what you're looking for.

Im begiining to worry it is all a hoax and he did not get the response from the treatment he was looking for. I hope he did, but deep inside I know he probably did not. I find it so hard to believe he could improve that severity of scarring.

 

 

Think about why you think this. You are vulnerable and you feel that since you are vulnerable you will be taken advantage of. I might be wrong, but you're most likely deferring to your own experience with a dermatologist where you were left disappointed. It only takes one dermatologist to plant the seeds of doubt. I suggest you take the initiative and do some digging around on google and finding out for yourself about the potency and promise of stem cells in an attempt to ease your doubts. You have to remember even while his scars are quite dramatic that each treatment is accumulative and will ultimately push the results past 75% improvement and beyond.

 

Myself and many others on this board are in the same situation as you. PM me or post here if you have questions.

 

Edit: another bit of information I've acquired is that a lot of clinics offer free consultations through email for these type of treatments and some might do phone ones too.

 

 

I am about to drop several grand on deep fx on 8/31, but would love to have it in combo with RECELL. They have an office here in the States...MA, as a matter of fact. Is it possible for me to push my doc toward this?

 

 

 

Frankly and based upon my own experience I would forgo the deep fx. I personally haven't had that specific treatment but I have had a very similar one called the eMatrix and without going into too much detail about an emotionally charged topic it was an abysmal experience in terms of expectations and results.

 

I would absolutely push your doctor to pursue adopting recell for use in their practice. If I recall correctly, it is just making its debut in the US so the more doctors that know about it the better.

 

I would strongly suggest taking your money and using it to get the combination treatment you were talking about. Ultimately, it's your decision. Best of luckahope you get what you're looking for.

 

Can you provide information on how many ematrix treatments you had? Some users are claiming very good results with 3 or more treatments, indicating the multiple treatments are necessary for optimum results.

I called Avita Medical in Woburn, MA and spoke with a friendly rep named Katherine who was very promising about the Recell treatment. However, she explained it is still 18 months to two years out from being FDA approved in the US. The other bad news is she was explaining they were telling patients 2 years from approval two years ago!

Once again, I am very torn about Deep FX. I think subcision-suction is also a very viable option to comine with the Deep FX and Recell. I think the DEEP fx is probably a good treatment, ONLY when it is combined with other treatments for scarring to get results we all REALLY want!

I think the DEEP fx is probably a good treatment, ONLY when it is combined with other treatments for scarring to get results we all REALLY want!

I guess so. I had no result from 2 deep FX treatments. And my scarring and skin is 100% suited for this kind of laser so its not that.

Im begiining to worry it is all a hoax and he did not get the response from the treatment he was looking for. I hope he did, but deep inside I know he probably did not. I find it so hard to believe he could improve that severity of scarring.

 

 

Think about why you think this. You are vulnerable and you feel that since you are vulnerable you will be taken advantage of. I might be wrong, but you're most likely deferring to your own experience with a dermatologist where you were left disappointed. It only takes one dermatologist to plant the seeds of doubt. I suggest you take the initiative and do some digging around on google and finding out for yourself about the potency and promise of stem cells in an attempt to ease your doubts. You have to remember even while his scars are quite dramatic that each treatment is accumulative and will ultimately push the results past 75% improvement and beyond.

 

Myself and many others on this board are in the same situation as you. PM me or post here if you have questions.

 

Edit: another bit of information I've acquired is that a lot of clinics offer free consultations through email for these type of treatments and some might do phone ones too.

 

 

I am about to drop several grand on deep fx on 8/31, but would love to have it in combo with RECELL. They have an office here in the States...MA, as a matter of fact. Is it possible for me to push my doc toward this?

 

 

 

Frankly and based upon my own experience I would forgo the deep fx. I personally haven't had that specific treatment but I have had a very similar one called the eMatrix and without going into too much detail about an emotionally charged topic it was an abysmal experience in terms of expectations and results.

 

I would absolutely push your doctor to pursue adopting recell for use in their practice. If I recall correctly, it is just making its debut in the US so the more doctors that know about it the better.

 

I would strongly suggest taking your money and using it to get the combination treatment you were talking about. Ultimately, it's your decision. Best of luckahope you get what you're looking for.

 

 

Can you provide information on how many ematrix treatments you had? Some users are claiming very good results with 3 or more treatments, indicating the multiple treatments are necessary for optimum results.

 

I called Avita Medical in Woburn, MA and spoke with a friendly rep named Katherine who was very promising about the Recell treatment. However, she explained it is still 18 months to two years out from being FDA approved in the US. The other bad news is she was explaining they were telling patients 2 years from approval two years ago!

 

Once again, I am very torn about Deep FX. I think subcision-suction is also a very viable option to comine with the Deep FX and Recell. I think the DEEP fx is probably a good treatment, ONLY when it is combined with other treatments for scarring to get results we all REALLY want!

 

I had 7 treatments over a span of 7 months. Results weren't dramatic enough to be noticed by the naked eye but photos indeed did show results although menial by even moderate standards. Keep in mind I have fairly deep rolling scars and for very shallow or ice pick scars I wouldn't say that I'd exactly advise against it if you go in with realistic expectations. I should also add that eMatrix isn't anymore effective and is actually probably slightly less so than a co2 laser and its main selling point is that it's less invasive and has a shorter recovery period which is something the dermatologist I had freely admitted to. I hope that gives you some perspective.

That's a little more than a slight let down. I swore I read that recell was fda approved but that is evidently incorrect. I do have a bookmark buried somewhere that I'll try to look up for some clarification in an edit or post when I find it.

Anyways, I have to emphasize what you said because I cannot agree with it enough: "ONLY when it is combined with other treatments for scarring to get results we all REALLY want!" Within the very abstract time span of the next 1.5 years to 2 years whether it's available in the US or whether I have to travel abroad I hope to be getting a combination treatment or some variety of stem cell treatment and pushing results as far as they can go. I truly believe it is the sole treatment that can attain the results I want. I cannot afford a treatment let alone the cost of travel at the moment and that's unfortunately while I'll have to be patient. In the meantime I'm biding my time and am trying to spend the interim period enjoying myself as much as is possible at this point.

The only advice I can give you is to take all things into account and make what you think is the best decision. If you're very indecisive about whether you want to go ahead with your upcoming appointment there's probably no harm in at least postponing it.

It's really disappointing that Erne chose not to post any pictures. It would literally take him 5-10 minutes to get some pictures up on here, delete some of the old ones to make room, or register a new account or link to a photobucket or whatever.

If he had obtained 75% improvement on scars of that severity and showed the proof with pictures taken several months later he would be treated like a HERO.

Please don't be offended, but I think you're reacting pretty negatively about this. If I had create this thread then I would hesitate to log on here, too. Ernesto has a life, he mentioned working a full-time job, working out at the gym, and having a girlfriend. That doesn't leave a whole lot of free time so I don't think you should take it personally. Maybe you could ask one of the people on this board who lives in the UK to take Ernesto up on his offer and meet in person.

he's busy relax. try PMing him.

I'm thinking that Ernesto will eventually delete a few of his old photos here and there to be able to add new ones. Either that or he needs to find some way of hosting them elsewhere. Acne.org really is at a lot of fault here for not allowing more space to upload photos. I was under the impression that he will add more photos after he can show further results from the next session he is receiving so best to be patient before getting overly cynical.

It would take 5-10 minutes tops to get photos on here (delete a couple of the older ones or register a new account or link to a photobucket etc). I appreciate he is a busy man but if he doesn't post for another 3 months and then writes a thousand word response with no proof, again, then I will assume something about the results isn't right.

If his results are true, no-one would be happier than me for him, but sadly I am skeptical at best.

softly - i doubt youd be happy for anyone. not everything is a conspiracy and if you think it is - go and see a psychologist. give the guy a break and let him live his life. he has been more than helpful.

What the hell? Firstly, you have no right to say anything about my happiness. Secondly, you should be the one seeing a psychologist if you can deduce from my skepticism that I think that "everything is a conspiracy". My concerns are logical and founded - It takes 10 minutes max to post up some evidence and validate his extraordinary claims.

You are disrespectful and out of line. If you have some grievance with my comment, address it maturely like a grown man.

I already have noticed you had a problem, hence i expressed my opinion. The guy has been nothing but great posting his achievements on this site - in what is a very personal thing to have to go through. Other people have had similar procedures (subcision and fraxel and reported extraordinary results). I have a feeling you are trying to say that you dont believe him, purely because he wont post a few pics when you want him to. You are almost implying that you wont believe him unless he does what you say. You need to stop being so demanding and realise people have lives beyond this site. Dont fight me on the issue, you know im right.

I already have noticed you had a problem, hence i expressed my opinion.

You expressed your opinion in a rude and unneccesary way. Should I suggest that YOU have a mental disorder if I disagree with your opinion?

I have a feeling you are trying to say that you dont believe him, purely because he wont post a few pics when you want him to. You are almost implying that you wont believe him unless he does what you say.

It is my choice whether or not I want to believe a claim and when a claim is extraordinary, it requires evidence for me to believe it. Quite why you have such a grievance with such a stance is down to your own personal issues.

I find it suspicious that someone that was so meticulous in documenting the procedure complete with photographs for the first few weeks has chosen not to wrap it all up half a year later when he has had such amazing results. On top of that, I know if I had severe extreme scarring and had a miraculous 75% improvement from a single session I would be jumping through hoops of fire to share my success with fellow sufferers.

You need to stop being so demanding and realise people have lives beyond this site.

5-10 minutes to put a picture up isn't demanding.

Dont fight me on the issue, you know im right.

So you're arrogant, as well as rude. You are coming off very well.

A couple of things to me may indicate that the OP is not telling the whole truth. Having said that, I'd still be surprised if this was all a scam... If it isn't then that's fantastic news for the OP and I congratulate him. If it is then that's rather an elaborate scam, I have to say...

A couple of things to me may indicate that the OP is not telling the whole truth. Having said that, I'd still be surprised if this was all a scam... If it isn't then that's fantastic news for the OP and I congratulate him. If it is then that's rather an elaborate scam, I have to say...

im thinking back to some other people on this site who had subcision and fraxel repair and they reported getting at least a 40-50% improvement. i just dont get why he would lie, unless he was drumming up business. even then, wouldnt people just get the same procedure done from their local doctor. there doesnt seem to be anything special about the services dr khan is offering.

if its the recell, then it isnt a complicate procedure. its an australian invention designed to be insanely cheap and able to harvest stem cells on the battlefield. the equipment itself just larger than an A4 page and has been used all over the world. the invention wasnt designed for commercial good, it was an ethical invention that won the creator "australian of the year". if dr khan is charging anything more than a few hundred for this, he should be put in jail. afterall, people on the battlefield and burns patients at hospitals get it for free.

i think we just need to be careful. ive read many stories from people who have had succeaful scar treatments, have stayed to help only to realise no one believed them. i think i remember the OP here having similar feelings. at the end of the day, if they are cured and taking time out of their lives to help us - they want to be treated accordingly for it.

then again, i wouldnt tell people id be posting pics and then wouldnt. it seems a bit cruel - especially when people are waiting for it.

Ah time to move to a more postive thread

A couple of things to me may indicate that the OP is not telling the whole truth. Having said that, I'd still be surprised if this was all a scam... If it isn't then that's fantastic news for the OP and I congratulate him. If it is then that's rather an elaborate scam, I have to say...

 

 

 

if its the recell, then it isnt a complicate procedure. its an australian invention designed to be insanely cheap and able to harvest stem cells on the battlefield. the equipment itself just larger than an A4 page and has been used all over the world. the invention wasnt designed for commercial good, it was an ethical invention that won the creator "australian of the year". if dr khan is charging anything more than a few hundred for this, he should be put in jail. afterall, people on the battlefield and burns patients at hospitals get it for free.

 

 

 

 

in the uk i have been told recell is very expensive which is why they dont use it that much as the enzyme in the kit is why its expensive

Its not used in the nhs either due to its high price

so i expect it to be much more than a few hundred dollars

A couple of things to me may indicate that the OP is not telling the whole truth. Having said that, I'd still be surprised if this was all a scam... If it isn't then that's fantastic news for the OP and I congratulate him. If it is then that's rather an elaborate scam, I have to say...

 

 

 

if its the recell, then it isnt a complicate procedure. its an australian invention designed to be insanely cheap and able to harvest stem cells on the battlefield. the equipment itself just larger than an A4 page and has been used all over the world. the invention wasnt designed for commercial good, it was an ethical invention that won the creator "australian of the year". if dr khan is charging anything more than a few hundred for this, he should be put in jail. afterall, people on the battlefield and burns patients at hospitals get it for free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

in the uk i have been told recell is very expensive which is why they dont use it that much as the enzyme in the kit is why its expensive

 

Its not used in the nhs either due to its high price

 

so i expect it to be much more than a few hundred dollars

 

sorry its been a long day. this amazes me. i just had a look on the net to make sure i was talking about the same thing and yeah recell was the one designed to be used cheaply, quickly and on large scale for burn victims. its not difficult to use at all, its actually really portable - at least this is how it is being marketed globally.

im amazed that something designed to give so much hope to people would be charged at such a high price. after all, it was designed to be inexpensive. there isnt really that much more i can say about it, other than yeah im shocked. i do wonder whether its the doctors again deciding they want large amounts of money or whether they truly feel they need to charge so much - for some unbeknown reason. if it the enzyme, surely we could start producing more of it.

i havent read through this thread too deeply, since i dont have rolling scars, but it seems the majority of the OPs results came from the subcision and fraxel. If thats the case, excluding the stem cells should make it a lot cheaper. Unless im completely wrong and the stem cells dramatically improved his results?

I also read its meant to be a cheaper option due to the fact you do it by the patient side no sending off to the lab etc which adds up the cost

But again what they call ''cheaper'' or less expensive who knows

I cant seem to get a price out of anyone people see very illusive when talking about it i expect as its not used much privately is why the clinics etc can add on their own price and hike it up i saw the quote on here was A4-6k which um yeah that a lot lol

I will have to contact recell themselves to see what they can tell me about the price

I also read its meant to be a cheaper option due to the fact you do it by the patient side no sending off to the lab etc which adds up the cost

 

But again what they call ''cheaper'' or less expensive who knows

 

I cant seem to get a price out of anyone people see very illusive when talking about it i expect as its not used much privately is why the clinics etc can add on their own price and hike it up i saw the quote on here was ‚£4-6k which um yeah that a lot lol

 

I will have to contact recell themselves to see what they can tell me about the price

lol if you gave me 6000 euros id be happy to be your personal nurse while you healed. i know that wont happen though

thats an insane amount of money isnt it. is that just for the recell or is that for the subcision and fraxel too?

I think the high cost is due to the time of the dr. When you study a lot, people have to pay a lot for your time, even if you are just sitting there having a coffee.

Obviously it would be great to have recell, but if you follow a good post op system, you should get pretty good results even without the recell.

I also read its meant to be a cheaper option due to the fact you do it by the patient side no sending off to the lab etc which adds up the cost

 

But again what they call ''cheaper'' or less expensive who knows

 

I cant seem to get a price out of anyone people see very illusive when talking about it i expect as its not used much privately is why the clinics etc can add on their own price and hike it up i saw the quote on here was ‚£4-6k which um yeah that a lot lol

 

I will have to contact recell themselves to see what they can tell me about the price

 

lol if you gave me 6000 euros id be happy to be your personal nurse while you healed. i know that wont happen though

 

thats an insane amount of money isnt it. is that just for the recell or is that for the subcision and fraxel too?

 

I think the high cost is due to the time of the dr. When you study a lot, people have to pay a lot for your time, even if you are just sitting there having a coffee.

 

Obviously it would be great to have recell, but if you follow a good post op system, you should get pretty good results even without the recell.

 

looool @ personal nurse

‚£4-6k was what the OP said was what to expect i think the quote was for everything recell fraxel subcision

He did say he went and got other quotes before going to Dr khan and Dr Khan was the middle range Dr

Recell has to be done with dermabrasion or laser so im guessing dermabrasion would be much cheaper

But i wasnt expecting it to be more than ‚£2k for a area as large as the face and neck thats for sure... either way i think this will be cheaper in america than europe especially for using after plastic surgery

I also read its meant to be a cheaper option due to the fact you do it by the patient side no sending off to the lab etc which adds up the cost

 

But again what they call ''cheaper'' or less expensive who knows

 

I cant seem to get a price out of anyone people see very illusive when talking about it i expect as its not used much privately is why the clinics etc can add on their own price and hike it up i saw the quote on here was ‚£4-6k which um yeah that a lot lol

 

I will have to contact recell themselves to see what they can tell me about the price

 

lol if you gave me 6000 euros id be happy to be your personal nurse while you healed. i know that wont happen though

 

thats an insane amount of money isnt it. is that just for the recell or is that for the subcision and fraxel too?

 

I think the high cost is due to the time of the dr. When you study a lot, people have to pay a lot for your time, even if you are just sitting there having a coffee.

 

Obviously it would be great to have recell, but if you follow a good post op system, you should get pretty good results even without the recell.

 

 

 

 

looool @ personal nurse

 

‚£4-6k was what the OP said was what to expect i think the quote was for everything recell fraxel subcision

 

He did say he went and got other quotes before going to Dr khan and Dr Khan was the middle range Dr

 

Recell has to be done with dermabrasion or laser so im guessing dermabrasion would be much cheaper

 

But i wasnt expecting it to be more than ‚£2k for a area as large as the face and neck thats for sure... either way i think this will be cheaper in america than europe especially for using after plastic surgery

 

Are you in the UK or the US? That price isnt too bad. I know id definitely do it for that. I've been planning an exoderm peel in UK and the quote for that is around 4500 Euros. Its a lot of money, especially given my $AUS but its a package deal with accomodation and food too.

The US seems good too and probably cheaper - but they dont seem to offer treatment and accomodation packages for foreigners like me. How would you go about organising that kind of thing?

His price quote was pounds not euro

I think when they do it in the US you would just have to book it as a regular Holiday And arrange ur own accommodation and all that extra stuff

They have ACELL dont know how that matches up to recell

His price quote was pounds not euro

 

I think when they do it in the US you would just have to book it as a regular Holiday And arrange ur own accommodation and all that extra stuff

They have ACELL dont know how that matches up to recell

yeah you are right about the US....nah would rather go to europe....its so beautiful over there.

i dont know if im right...i read a lot and it all becomes a blur after a while...but acell is made from pigs which are similar to humans...but recell is made from our own stem cells. you cant really get any better than that. acell is a good alternative, but i guess should be treated as that?

His price quote was pounds not euro

 

I think when they do it in the US you would just have to book it as a regular Holiday And arrange ur own accommodation and all that extra stuff

They have ACELL dont know how that matches up to recell

 

yeah you are right about the US....nah would rather go to europe....its so beautiful over there.

 

i dont know if im right...i read a lot and it all becomes a blur after a while...but acell is made from pigs which are similar to humans...but recell is made from our own stem cells. you cant really get any better than that. acell is a good alternative, but i guess should be treated as that?

 

OK so i E-mailed Acell. They refused to sell any of their products to me, claiming that the they'd rather deal with my physycian than me, well that's their company policy and all. Now I wonder if I could ever get the Recell kit with a help of my doc, could I ever use the kit on my own, say, after a hardcore 2mm dermarolling? the whole process doesn't seem to be too difficult, I mean people on here do subcisions on themselves - without painkillers, lol.

benni,

i think it will be easier if you just go to dr. khan and get ernesto's treatment, rather than go through this hassle.

if you dont live near there, just save up some cash, plan out your days off, find a hotel, get the treatment and stay there for a week or so, then go back home.