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From what I have learned, subcision is used primarily for tethered scarring such as rolling scars and some boxcar scars.
I don't believe that subcision is going to do anything for icepick scars. My dermatologist used the TCA Cross Method on my icepick scars which were primarily on my chin and on my nose. TCA Cross Method is the technique that is used primarily for scarred pores (icepick scars).
If you haven't considered dermarolling, you may want to look at some of the links on this site - it may help you learn more about dermarolling.
Keep your expectations in check - if you have deep acne scarring, you can expect to see some improvement from subcision, laser treatments, TCA Cross Method, etc., but obtaining a perfectly smooth complexion may be unrealistic.
My scarring has improved significantly over the past three years, but my complexion is not perfect today despite four subcision treatments, four laser treatments (three Laser Genesis and one Pearl Fractional), one TCA CROSS Method treatment, and multiple dermarolling and chemical peels.
I believe that our goal is to seek a level of improvement that we can live with.
Focus on obtaining maximum collagen development which can be produced by subcision, topical Retin-A, topical Ester C, topical Alpha Lipoic Acid, chemical peels, laser treatments, etc. as these will all, in varying degrees, help your complexion.
If you're a smoker, give it up. Smoking will negate any collagen development efforts you attempt. Give up laying out in the sun as this the UVA and UVB rays will destroy your collagen development efforts.
These are some things that I have learned along the way and I hope that you find them helpful.
Yes, I did combine the subcision/suction method and was very surprised by the results.
Matt
Matt,
Did you use ice in the days after the subcision this time? If so, what was your routine with incorporating it with the suctioning? I was also hoping you could share the routine you use with the LEDs. Do you hold it in one spot for a certain amount of time and then move to another area or do you continuously move around the face? Also, does the time differ for the yellow vs. the 660/880 light? I am having subcision done next Tuesday and am trying to prepare my postcare routine as best as possible. Thanks!
Travis
Travis:
Yes, I did use ice on my face after the subcision treatment because I had huge welts on my left and right cheeks. This time, however, I did not apply pressure to my face when I got home after the procedure nor did I do it the following day. I believe that doing this in the past helped the fibrous bands to re-attach themselves to my epidermis to varying degrees.
I've used a red/infared device for the past two or three years off and on for five minutes on my left cheek and five minutes on my right cheek. I believe that the jury is still out if it really promotes collagen development or not. I am a firm believer that it promotes healing and reduces inflammation. A few years ago, our youngest son had a nasty accident riding a bike on a gravel/dirt road and had a huge gash in his arm. My wife and I used the red light on his arm and were surprised at how quickly it was healing.
I would encourage you to take several photos of your scars before the subcision treatment and then take photos for the next two-three months. I think that you'll be surprised at how your complexion can improve, but it's incremental.
Also, please consider doing the suction method as well. I still can't believe how great my left cheek looks today and it's been almost three months since the procedure. The scarring on my right cheek is still improving but very slowly.
If you have access to a topical ester C lotion, I would encourage you to consider using that to help promote collagen development. Last, but not least, look at dermarolling. I wouldn't roll for at least four weeks after subcison, though. Give your skin a break.
Keep us posted on how things turn out for you - this is how we all learn.
Matt
Sorry...I forgot to address your question about suctioning. I started on day three if I remember correctly and suctioned my left and right cheeks and I did several passes on both cheeks.
I used a hand-held Orec vacuum sweeper which was very powerful. So, I used one hand as a 'buffer' to reduce the suctioning power. Our vacuum is very powerful and it felt as if my face was going to be sucked into the vacuum sweeper. 
I did this two or three times a day for two weeks on both cheeks. It is a very unorthodox method but it worked really well in my case - I wish I would have known about this technique three years ago!
Matt
I've uploaded some 'before' and 'after' photos.
I hope that my journey helps someone out there reading this thread to see that the appearance of acne scarring can be reduced by receiving the proper scar revision procedure(s). Sometimes, it takes multiple procedures and months and years to see improvement. Such was the case for me.
I began this journey in 2009 and three years later and multiple procedures (four subcision treatments, four laser treatments, one TCA Cross Method treatment, and multiple chemical peels and dermarolling sessions) I have seen a tremendous amount of success.
Keep in mind that this is an incremental process - my improvement was no 'overnight' success but the result of not giving up, reading everything that I could find on the web about acne scarring and finding a doctor who was compassionate, skilled, and open to trying a procedure on me that was new to his practice.
My daily regiment includes:
1) applying Retin-A cream nightly to my face
2) applying a morning moisturizer containing DMAE, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Ester C
3) taking a multi-vitamin, 50 mg Zinc, Resveratrol, and Vitamin D
I dermaroll every 42 days (six weeks) and do at least one chemical peel (70% Glycolic or Lactic Acid) once a month
My objective has been this: develop as much collagen as I can and break down the scar tissue to the greatest degree possible.
http://photobucket.com/subcisionsuccess
Password: subcision01
I would ask that you respect my privacy and not copy or share these photos. The purpose of me sharing these photos with you is to give you an idea of of how acne scar revision procedures can improve your scarring.
Be encouraged! There is hope.....
Here's to better skin for all of you....
Matt
My wife and I went shopping today and my wife began talking to me about the health benefits of food grade diatomaceous earth.
We bought a bag of it today at a gardening supply store because, apparently, it is also an 'organic' way to kill certain types of insects.
So, I did a little research online and found that diatomaceous earth is basically silica which is a trace mineral essential to the development of COLLAGEN.
For those of us who have suffered from acne scarring, we all need collagen to help repair the damage caused from scar tissue.
So, I am going to conduct an experiment for the next 30 days and use one tablespoon of food grade diatomaceous earth (silica) in a protein shake each night and see what effect, if any, I can that it has with my skin.
When I first heard about subcision, I thought it was a really odd way to deal with acne scarring. However, I went ahead and underwent the procedure and was surprised to see how effective it was on improving the appearance of my scarring.
Then, I learned about the subcision/suction method which I thought was REALLY unorthodox - using a vacuuming device to pull your epidermis away from fibrous scar tissue that has just been dislodged through subcision. Really bizarre by turned out to be highly effective for me.
So, I saw all of the above to say that I am going to try using this mineral on a daily basis to see if it helps my skin develop additional collagen. I'm already using topical Retin-A and a daily moisturizer with DMAE, Ester C, and Alpha Lipoic acid all of which are supposed to create collagen. The dermarolling sessions that I do are supposed to create collagen and, hence, it is called 'collagen induction therapy'.
Right now, I am very focused on collagen development - I understand that the scar remodeling process can continue for up to six months to two years after subcision. So, I want to maximize the amount of collagen that is developed to minimize the appearance of the remaining acne scars that I still have.
Here are some links to sites relating to the health benefits of silica:
http://www.drpasswater.com/nutrition_library/Dirk_Vanden_Berghe.html
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If you look at the baseline photos that I took of my skin in 2009, you'll see that my skin showed signs of aging and an overall depletion of collagen - you can see lines on my face coupled with deep acne scars.
The photos that I took this morning show a tremendous amount of collagen development which has occured over the past three years - the acne scars have filled in with collagen to varying degrees and the lines on my face are greatly reduced. Overall, the aging of my skin has slowed down considerably.
One other learning that I want to pass on that I learned from my dermatologist was about the importance of antioxidants. The Retin-A that I use every night is a deritive of vitamin A and I apply a moisturizer with Ester C another antioxidant.
I also apply Vitamin E oil on my face on a regular basis - another antioxidant.
All of these topicals coupled with subcision and dermarolling have greatly reduced the appearance of my scarring and improved my overall complexion.
I wanted to pass on these 'key learnings' to anyone interested as I believe that they helping my skin.......
Matt
On 3/10/2012 at 6:30 AM, mr. matt said:I've uploaded some 'before' and 'after' photos.
I hope that my journey helps someone out there reading this thread to see that the appearance of acne scarring can be reduced by receiving the proper scar revision procedure(s). Sometimes, it takes multiple procedures and months and years to see improvement. Such was the case for me.
I began this journey in 2009 and three years later and multiple procedures (four subcision treatments, four laser treatments, one TCA Cross Method treatment, and multiple chemical peels and dermarolling sessions) I have seen a tremendous amount of success.
Keep in mind that this is an incremental process - my improvement was no 'overnight' success but the result of not giving up, reading everything that I could find on the web about acne scarring and finding a doctor who was compassionate, skilled, and open to trying a procedure on me that was new to his practice.
My daily regiment includes:
1) applying Retin-A cream nightly to my face
2) applying a morning moisturizer containing DMAE, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Ester C
3) taking a multi-vitamin, 50 mg Zinc, Resveratrol, and Vitamin D
I dermaroll every 42 days (six weeks) and do at least one chemical peel (70% Glycolic or Lactic Acid) once a month
My objective has been this: develop as much collagen as I can and break down the scar tissue to the greatest degree possible.
http://photobucket.c...ubcisionsuccess
Password: subcision01
I would ask that you respect my privacy and not copy or share these photos. The purpose of me sharing these photos with you is to give you an idea of of how acne scar revision procedures can improve your scarring.
Be encouraged! There is hope.....
Here's to better skin for all of you....
Matt
How's the 70% Glycolic peels going each month? Do you think it's worth the time and money? I know very little about peels. How long is the downtime and when do you start and end peeling? I use tazorac and if you use too much it will peel you but also leaves you red for days. Tazorac is a strong retin-a.
On 3/12/2012 at 9:05 PM, 10yearswiththis said:On 3/10/2012 at 6:30 AM, mr. matt said:I've uploaded some 'before' and 'after' photos.
I hope that my journey helps someone out there reading this thread to see that the appearance of acne scarring can be reduced by receiving the proper scar revision procedure(s). Sometimes, it takes multiple procedures and months and years to see improvement. Such was the case for me.
I began this journey in 2009 and three years later and multiple procedures (four subcision treatments, four laser treatments, one TCA Cross Method treatment, and multiple chemical peels and dermarolling sessions) I have seen a tremendous amount of success.
Keep in mind that this is an incremental process - my improvement was no 'overnight' success but the result of not giving up, reading everything that I could find on the web about acne scarring and finding a doctor who was compassionate, skilled, and open to trying a procedure on me that was new to his practice.
My daily regiment includes:
1) applying Retin-A cream nightly to my face
2) applying a morning moisturizer containing DMAE, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Ester C
3) taking a multi-vitamin, 50 mg Zinc, Resveratrol, and Vitamin D
I dermaroll every 42 days (six weeks) and do at least one chemical peel (70% Glycolic or Lactic Acid) once a month
My objective has been this: develop as much collagen as I can and break down the scar tissue to the greatest degree possible.
http://photobucket.c...ubcisionsuccess
Password: subcision01
I would ask that you respect my privacy and not copy or share these photos. The purpose of me sharing these photos with you is to give you an idea of of how acne scar revision procedures can improve your scarring.
Be encouraged! There is hope.....
Here's to better skin for all of you....
Matt
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As far as the chemical peels are concerned, I typically do them on a Thursday evening before I go to bed, take the next day off, and return to work the following Monday. I've been doing these for about four years or so and it takes about four to five days to fully recover. One key learning that I want to share with you: the peels are more effective if you use Retin-A topically for several weeks before the peel and it's also important to get all of the soap and oil off of your skin before you apply the Glycolic Acid.
I may do another 25% TCA peel this summer when I have a week off from work - these peels really cause peeling.
Hope this helps.
Matt
I hope that my journey helps someone out there reading this thread to see that the appearance of acne scarring can be reduced by receiving the proper scar revision procedure(s). Sometimes, it takes multiple procedures and months and years to see improvement. Such was the case for me.
It helped and still helps, thanks to your thread i went for a journey myself and i had my first subcision+filler (Restylane) almost 7 weeks ago, my second round of subcision+filler is doing five weeks today and four weeks had passed since i had the MixTo laser. Your share was like a miracle to me, i've read the entire thread twice and then decided to find a doctor who would performs subcision, fillers and CO2 fractional laser, it took me some months to find one but eventually i did find one. I asked for Pearl laser but i didn't find one here in Portugal who would performs it, so i decided to go under the MixTo. I'm still experiencing some redness but i've been told that some redness, mainly in the scars surface, may occur and can be seen for a few weeks to a few months. It doesn't bug me at all, its March and spring is coming so i know it weill get better even without sun exposure.
Your description is just perfect, my rolling scars are still improving these days and i feel that tingling sensation from time to time, mainly at night, so i know that something is building under my skin. I've read that the improvements can been seen even about two months after the procedure, did you feel that your scars filled throughout six or eight weeks after subcision?
People must be awared that results aren't immediate, you should be patient and take in mind that it takes time but eventually you will see results some weeks (at least 4 weeks) following the procedure. Subcision combined with laser can do a lot for your scarring, lasers alone for some kind of scars may be not effective.
Sorry about my english and yet again thanks mr matt.
On 3/13/2012 at 3:43 AM, tognaccini said:On 3/10/2012 at 6:30 AM, mr. matt said:I hope that my journey helps someone out there reading this thread to see that the appearance of acne scarring can be reduced by receiving the proper scar revision procedure(s). Sometimes, it takes multiple procedures and months and years to see improvement. Such was the case for me.It helped and still helps, thanks to your thread i went for a journey myself and i had my first subcision+filler (Restylane) almost 7 weeks ago, my second round of subcision+filler is doing five weeks today and four weeks had passed since i had the MixTo laser. Your share was like a miracle to me, i've read the entire thread twice and then decided to find a doctor who would performs subcision, fillers and CO2 fractional laser, it took me some months to find one but eventually i did find one. I asked for Pearl laser but i didn't find one here in Portugal who would performs it, so i decided to go under the MixTo. I'm still experiencing some redness but i've been told that some redness, mainly in the scars surface, may occur and can be seen for a few weeks to a few months. It doesn't bug me at all, its March and spring is coming so i know it weill get better even without sun exposure.
Your description is just perfect, my rolling scars are still improving these days and i feel that tingling sensation from time to time, mainly at night. I've read that the improvements can been seen even about two months after the procedure, did you feel that your scars filled throughout six or eight weeks after subcision?
People must be awared that results aren't immediate, you should be patient and take in mind that it takes time but eventually you will see results some weeks (at least 4 weeks) following the procedure. Subcision combined with laser can do a lot for your scarring, laser alone for some kind of scars may be not effective.
Sorry about my english and yet again thanks mr matt.
After my first subcision procedure, the results were fairly dramatic as I had a lot of dense fibrous scar tissue holding down my epidermis.
However, it did take weeks and months after procedure number one to see the scars beginning to fill in.
The last subcision treatment that I had was coupled with suctionning my cheeks with a vacuum sweeper (LOL!). The results after this procedure were the most dramatic - the scarring on my left cheek improved dramatically and considerably. So much so that three of the four scars are no longer visible.
The scar remodeling process typically is a slow and incremental one - taking weeks and/or months to see improvement.
Slow and steady wins the race....
Matt
On 3/13/2012 at 3:48 AM, mr. matt said:
Experienced the same with my first subcision treatment, it was messy. Some says it doesn't hurt but it does or maybe the numbing injection didn't take full effect in the right time. So i really felt the fibrous being released and the doctor was so kind that apologized everytime i showed some discomfort. I really felt that he was having some diffilcuties while trying to release some of the dense fibrous scar tissue holding down my epidermis and by that time i just wanted him to stop but you have to be mentally prepared and have in mind that are no results if you are expecting to apply some creams and to get your appearance better without pain. With my second one it didn't hurts that much really, some scars aren't that attached so it sounded like paper being cutted.
I'm pleased to know that can take weeks or/and months to see improvement, it makes me believe that some of the scars will fill and level up completely. Some others will get better looking but i know it will take some more procedures like subcision combined with co2 fractional laser to get better results. However i will wait for some months now and see how it gets.
I've read about that suctionning method and it looks interesting, however i didn't find any here in Portugal but i will still looking outside and maybe buy one directly from the united states. For the next subcision session i will discuss that with my doc. For now i'm thinking on applying dermaroller myself. Everything that helps the collagen to remodel is a bless.
And there are some more positive points about this journey, i quit smoking some months before and im caring and protecting my skin with a SPF 50 every single day. Smoking is a waste of money, even more when you are healing and building the foundations of your skin.
On 3/13/2012 at 3:38 AM, mr. matt said:On 3/12/2012 at 9:05 PM, 10yearswiththis said:On 3/10/2012 at 6:30 AM, mr. matt said:
Thanks Matt all of your info is extremely helpful to me in making decisions on what I should do. Question: where do you buy your 70% Glycolic peels at? And are you happy with the product?
Thanks
On 3/16/2012 at 7:47 AM, 10yearswiththis said:On 3/13/2012 at 3:38 AM, mr. matt said:On 3/12/2012 at 9:05 PM, 10yearswiththis said:On 3/10/2012 at 6:30 AM, mr. matt said:I've uploaded some 'before' and 'after' photos.
I hope that my journey helps someone out there reading this thread to see that the appearance of acne scarring can be reduced by receiving the proper scar revision procedure(s). Sometimes, it takes multiple procedures and months and years to see improvement. Such was the case for me.
I began this journey in 2009 and three years later and multiple procedures (four subcision treatments, four laser treatments, one TCA Cross Method treatment, and multiple chemical peels and dermarolling sessions) I have seen a tremendous amount of success.
Keep in mind that this is an incremental process - my improvement was no 'overnight' success but the result of not giving up, reading everything that I could find on the web about acne scarring and finding a doctor who was compassionate, skilled, and open to trying a procedure on me that was new to his practice.
My daily regiment includes:
1) applying Retin-A cream nightly to my face
2) applying a morning moisturizer containing DMAE, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Ester C
3) taking a multi-vitamin, 50 mg Zinc, Resveratrol, and Vitamin D
I dermaroll every 42 days (six weeks) and do at least one chemical peel (70% Glycolic or Lactic Acid) once a month
My objective has been this: develop as much collagen as I can and break down the scar tissue to the greatest degree possible.
http://photobucket.c...ubcisionsuccess
Password: subcision01
I would ask that you respect my privacy and not copy or share these photos. The purpose of me sharing these photos with you is to give you an idea of of how acne scar revision procedures can improve your scarring.
Be encouraged! There is hope.....
Here's to better skin for all of you....
Matt
Thanks Matt all of your info is extremely helpful to me in making decisions on what I should do. Question: where do you buy your 70% Glycolic peels at? And are you happy with the product?
Thanks
I bought the 70% Glycolic Acid on Ebay.com, but the vendor is no longer selling the product. I bought my 70% Lactic Acid from http://www.skinlaboratory.com/.
I've been very happy with both products and they last a long time.
Hope this helps.
Matt
Hi Matt,
With great interest I followed your thread this far. Now finally Im about to apply your described technique myself and Im really looking forward to it.
Thing is though: I had my subcision treatment today and they gave me hyaluron acid for free. First I didnt want them to inject me hyaluron because I knew it wouldnt last long and I actually wanted to try your method which consists of not injecting anything and solely subcising and suctioning it afterwards. But hey they offered me to save a little money. (The whole procedure didnt cost me anything at all ?!)
The questions is now: Can I still try the suction method in three days during two weeks while there is hyaluron acid inside. Is it recommendable or will there be even a double effect ? Or would the injected acid now interfere with any other method (suctioning etc.) ? Will I have to wait until it has degraded and do it again ?
Do you understand my question ? Please tell me if not.
I would be so glad if you answered me in time. You have inspired me a lot so far, so Im expecting your reply with great excitement.
My best regards and many thanks in advance
Marius
Hi Matt,
With great interest I followed your thread this far. Now finally Im about to apply your described technique myself and Im really looking forward to it.
Thing is though: I had my subcision treatment today and they gave me hyaluron acid for free. First I didnt want them to inject me hyaluron because I knew it wouldnt last long and I actually wanted to try your method which consists of not injecting anything and solely subcising and suctioning it afterwards. But hey they offered me to save a little money. (The whole procedure didnt cost me anything at all ?!)
The questions is now: Can I still try the suction method in three days during two weeks while there is hyaluron acid inside. Is it recommendable or will there be even a double effect ? Or would the injected acid now interfere with any other method (suctioning etc.) ? Will I have to wait until it has degraded and do it again ?
Do you understand my question ? Please tell me if not.
I would be so glad if you answered me in time. You have inspired me a lot so far, so Im expecting your reply with great excitement.
My best regards and many thanks in advance
Marius
Marius:
I think that you got the deal of the century if you got subcision coupled with hylauronic acid for no additional cost. Congrats to you as that is awesome!
I've never had hylauronic injections in my face, so I am not exactly sure how to respond.
My only concern with someone suctioning their face 2x's a day for two weeks is that it might displace the hylauronic acid that has been injected in your face and cause it to migrate into other parts of your face where it wasn't intended.
I think that this is something that you should ask you doctor about.
I hope that you took some 'before' photos so that you can track your progress.
All the best to you!
Matt
Okay people careful with the alpha-lipoic-acid. You could end up a mental case if you got certain genes. What happens is alpha lipoic acid will move mercury into your brain and if you got the wrong genes for that, you could end up with psychiatric illness. I am not fucking with you, same thing can happen with loads of cilantro, or a DMPS injection.
I've run your photos through photoshop, and oh my GOD you are getting results. Your journey is giving me the second wind I need to live. THANK YOU!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR FIGHTING SO HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let this be a lesson to ALL of us. We MUST work hard to recover! But we CAN recover!
I found this quote and wanted to share it with people reading this thread.
I started this thread three years ago when I began my quest to improve the appearance of my complexion. In particular, the acne scarring that had ravaged parts of my face.
When I started, all I knew was that I was not happy with the appearance of my skin. I did not like looking at myself in the mirror and seeing how cystic acne had ravaged my face and left my skin looking dimpled, pitted, and uneven. The reflection of the 'man in the mirror' left me downcast and determined to find a way to reduce the appearance of my facial scarring.
Fortunately, I found this website and learned about subcision and other methods of reducing the appearance of acne scarring: TCA CROSS METHOD, topical anti-oxidants (Ester C, Retin-A, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc., chemical peels, etc.
Recently, a supervisor at work asked me to give her one word that described me. I replied, 'determined'.
For those of you on the same journey, it is going to take determination, time, and the willingness to explore a variety of options if you want to see an improvement in our complexion.
Yes, my photos are originals and unretouched. My wife and I don't own PhotoShop nor do I even know how to use it. I have not had fillers of any type.
I have, however, been on a journey which continues to see the visable appearance of my acne scarring reduced dramatically. The journey has not been an easy one. Many times, I have come back from the doctor's office looking like some had beat my face to a pulp post-subcison - massive swelling, bruising, etc. and I've asked myself, 'Why am I doing this to myself?' The results are not overnight and take time to see.
Yet, my last subcision treatment left me looking battered and bruised for several weeks. Yet, I was determined to obtain results and I did.
My last subcision treatment coupled with suction yielded me the most dramatic visible results yet.
I saw my younger brother yesterday while I was on a business trip and the first thing out of his mouth was, 'Matt, you look great!'. Those words resounded in my head for several minutes. I had not seen my brother for several months and he could see the improvement in the appearance of my skin from the last time that he had seen me.
Folks, this is an incremental process with many 'ups and downs'.
Perservance and patience are the two words that I think all of us need to keep in mind as we labor on with our personal journeys.
Picture yourself as a 'prize fighter'. There are several grueling rounds we have to go through to get to the end of the fight - but don't give up. Fight the good fight.
Labor on.......
Matt
I had another subcision procedure today without having fillers injected.
So, Im ready now to try the suction method. Im really looking forward to it.
So a simple hand held vacuum sweeper was the best suction device or should I rather use something else ? Should I buy a microdermabrasion device or does a normal vacuum sweeper suffice?
Please tell me how to perform the suction method perfectly as Im about to do it.
I would be so grateful !!! Many thanks in advance !
Fortunately, I found this website and learned about subcision and other methods of reducing the appearance of acne scarring: TCA CROSS METHOD, topical anti-oxidants (Ester C, Retin-A, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc., chemical peels, etc.
Hey Matt - thought I'd let you know and maybe get a couple pointers if you have any. I have my subcision with DeSpain this Friday. Planning on doing suction with it starting probably 2 days after and about 2 to 3 times a day for 2 weeks. Will be using a microdermabrasion machine for that but the thing doesn't have the best suctioning power. How much power did you use approx?
Have you seen DeSpain since your last subcision/suction and mentioned the suction part to him? I've been to 2 diff docs and mentioned the suction and they kind of blow it off.
Any pointers for a first-timer? Drugs, topicals, ice or no ice, pressure or no pressure, etc. I took off 2 weeks from work and hopefully can go back then without any noticeable bruises/damages.
Thanks!!!
Fortunately, I found this website and learned about subcision and other methods of reducing the appearance of acne scarring: TCA CROSS METHOD, topical anti-oxidants (Ester C, Retin-A, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc., chemical peels, etc.
Hey Matt - thought I'd let you know and maybe get a couple pointers if you have any. I have my subcision with DeSpain this Friday. Planning on doing suction with it starting probably 2 days after and about 2 to 3 times a day for 2 weeks. Will be using a microdermabrasion machine for that but the thing doesn't have the best suctioning power. How much power did you use approx?
Have you seen DeSpain since your last subcision/suction and mentioned the suction part to him? I've been to 2 diff docs and mentioned the suction and they kind of blow it off.
Any pointers for a first-timer? Drugs, topicals, ice or no ice, pressure or no pressure, etc. I took off 2 weeks from work and hopefully can go back then without any noticeable bruises/damages.
Thanks!!!
I was wondering how long it took you to get a consultation appointment and then how long you had to wait for the actual preocedure, Now that class is out, im planning on making my appointment to see Despain.
Fortunately, I found this website and learned about subcision and other methods of reducing the appearance of acne scarring: TCA CROSS METHOD, topical anti-oxidants (Ester C, Retin-A, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc., chemical peels, etc.
Hey Matt - thought I'd let you know and maybe get a couple pointers if you have any. I have my subcision with DeSpain this Friday. Planning on doing suction with it starting probably 2 days after and about 2 to 3 times a day for 2 weeks. Will be using a microdermabrasion machine for that but the thing doesn't have the best suctioning power. How much power did you use approx?
Have you seen DeSpain since your last subcision/suction and mentioned the suction part to him? I've been to 2 diff docs and mentioned the suction and they kind of blow it off.
Any pointers for a first-timer? Drugs, topicals, ice or no ice, pressure or no pressure, etc. I took off 2 weeks from work and hopefully can go back then without any noticeable bruises/damages.
Thanks!!!
I had another subcision procedure today without having fillers injected.
So, Im ready now to try the suction method. Im really looking forward to it.
So a simple hand held vacuum sweeper was the best suction device or should I rather use something else ? Should I buy a microdermabrasion device or does a normal vacuum sweeper suffice?
Please tell me how to perform the suction method perfectly as Im about to do it.
I would be so grateful !!! Many thanks in advance !
I would wait at least two days after your subcision procedure before you consider using the suction method.
I used a small hand-held vaccum sweeper that had very strong suction and passed the nozzle across my face a few times twice a day if I remember correctly for two weeks.
It's been about six months since my procedure and my left cheek looks amazing - not pefect, but so much smoother.
I could not be happier with the results.
Fortunately, I found this website and learned about subcision and other methods of reducing the appearance of acne scarring: TCA CROSS METHOD, topical anti-oxidants (Ester C, Retin-A, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc., chemical peels, etc.
Hey Matt - thought I'd let you know and maybe get a couple pointers if you have any. I have my subcision with DeSpain this Friday. Planning on doing suction with it starting probably 2 days after and about 2 to 3 times a day for 2 weeks. Will be using a microdermabrasion machine for that but the thing doesn't have the best suctioning power. How much power did you use approx?
Have you seen DeSpain since your last subcision/suction and mentioned the suction part to him? I've been to 2 diff docs and mentioned the suction and they kind of blow it off.
Any pointers for a first-timer? Drugs, topicals, ice or no ice, pressure or no pressure, etc. I took off 2 weeks from work and hopefully can go back then without any noticeable bruises/damages.
Thanks!!!
I had another subcision procedure today without having fillers injected.
So, Im ready now to try the suction method. Im really looking forward to it.
So a simple hand held vacuum sweeper was the best suction device or should I rather use something else ? Should I buy a microdermabrasion device or does a normal vacuum sweeper suffice?
Please tell me how to perform the suction method perfectly as Im about to do it.
I would be so grateful !!! Many thanks in advance !
I would wait at least two days after your subcision procedure before you consider using the suction method.
I used a small hand-held vaccum sweeper that had very strong suction and passed the nozzle across my face a few times twice a day if I remember correctly for two weeks.
It's been about six months since my procedure and my left cheek looks amazing - not pefect, but so much smoother.
I could not be happier with the results.
Fortunately, I found this website and learned about subcision and other methods of reducing the appearance of acne scarring: TCA CROSS METHOD, topical anti-oxidants (Ester C, Retin-A, Alpha Lipoic Acid, etc., chemical peels, etc.
Hey Matt - thought I'd let you know and maybe get a couple pointers if you have any. I have my subcision with DeSpain this Friday. Planning on doing suction with it starting probably 2 days after and about 2 to 3 times a day for 2 weeks. Will be using a microdermabrasion machine for that but the thing doesn't have the best suctioning power. How much power did you use approx?
Have you seen DeSpain since your last subcision/suction and mentioned the suction part to him? I've been to 2 diff docs and mentioned the suction and they kind of blow it off.
Any pointers for a first-timer? Drugs, topicals, ice or no ice, pressure or no pressure, etc. I took off 2 weeks from work and hopefully can go back then without any noticeable bruises/damages.
Thanks!!!
I had another subcision procedure today without having fillers injected.
So, Im ready now to try the suction method. Im really looking forward to it.
So a simple hand held vacuum sweeper was the best suction device or should I rather use something else ? Should I buy a microdermabrasion device or does a normal vacuum sweeper suffice?
Please tell me how to perform the suction method perfectly as Im about to do it.
I would be so grateful !!! Many thanks in advance !
I would wait at least two days after your subcision procedure before you consider using the suction method.
I used a small hand-held vaccum sweeper that had very strong suction and passed the nozzle across my face a few times twice a day if I remember correctly for two weeks.
It's been about six months since my procedure and my left cheek looks amazing - not pefect, but so much smoother.
I could not be happier with the results.
Congrats on your upcoming subcision treatment with Dr. DeSpain. I think that you'll really like him - very compassionate and caring physician and not out to sell you everything in his office.
I'm sure that he'll suggest that you apply pressure and ice to your face after the procedure - you'll like a mummy when you leave his office.
I am going to make an appointment to see him next month and let him see the dramatic improvement that I had with the subcision/suction method. Seeing is believing.
I find him to be a fairly open-minded physician who is open to learning from his patients - a true rarity these days with doctors.
My advice to you would be to stay out of the sun because of the risk of hyper pigmentation and get plenty of rest so that your skin can heal. Also, take 'pre' and 'post' photos of your skin.
You'll be surprised how your skin will change over the course of time.
All the best to you....
Matt