Yeah... e-bay is where I get my Kinerase from too Maya. I can't pay full price for that stuff! Too bad we can't get the Amino Plex on there huh?

Anyway, the camellia oil is really nice, I like it better than jojoba oil or emu oil so far. It's very light and rich at the same time... a definate cross between the other two oils. I am using it over the Amino Plex at night now.

Remember how we talked about being impatient with our skin which tempts us into doing too much and then it backfires? You are such an Aries girl.... you've gotta do it all at once. You make me laugh but you gotta love your spirit.

PS I did two test patches needling with SofTap... keep your fingers crossed for me for good results. Man I can't stand doing that to myself girl... all that blood... I'm squeamish as it is... what we wouldn't do for better skin.... sigh

PSS I guess this wasn't the thread for all this huh?

Peace )

yes, maybe it's that becasue Jojoba is more transdermal qualities... but at the same time, maybe r-ala is so much more potent too and that's a double whammy!

you never know, i guess... :-k double whammy is possible

 

It would be nice o test the regular IG with jojoba versus the new r-ala version with jojoba ... then it would be easier to judge whether R-ala has more punch.

Katu - why don't you email Deming and ask her to do this ... a few of us could do a blind test.

Katu - why don't you email Deming and ask her to do this ... a few of us could do a blind test.

Ohh....ohh, pick me!! Pick me!! /

Pick me too!!! [-o<

Katu - I think 10 people for a blind trial would be good, and I guess if Deming were to go ahead, she would need to choose people who have bought her products, as that would be fair.

I agree with you guys. Deming told me that they were going to start using jojoba oil in all their products.....*BUT*.....if the R-ALA is what's giving us a great result, then we need to understand whether it's the jojoba oil formulation OR the R-ALA.

This is important to me because of the inclusion of the vitamin c in the R-ALA product. I cannot use my copper peptides with the new R-ALA....which seems to be more effective than the regular PD Gel.

I really want to get to the bottom of this!!! Is it the R-ALA, or is it the jojoba oil........?????

Inquiring minds want to know!!! :-k

Maya and Tracy, both of you are the excellent candidants for the study (for many reasons)...

I agree with you guys. Deming told me that they were going to start using jojoba oil in all their products.....*BUT*.....if the R-ALA is what's giving us a great result, then we need to understand whether it's the jojoba oil formulation OR the R-ALA.

 

This is important to me because of the inclusion of the vitamin c in the R-ALA product. I cannot use my copper peptides with the new R-ALA....which seems to be more effective than the regular PD Gel.

I really want to get to the bottom of this!!! Is it the R-ALA, or is it the jojoba oil........?????

Inquiring minds want to know!!! :-k

Pick me too!!! [-o<

 

Katu - I think 10 people for a blind trial would be good, and I guess if Deming were to go ahead, she would need to choose people who have bought her products, as that would be fair.

Maya and Tracy, both of you are the excellent candidants for the study (for many reasons)...

guys,

i received the reply from Deming:

"that is a wonderful idea! Unfortunately we have a minimum of oz that we can order at any time and do not have the funds right now to do. BUT, we do actually plan to incorporate using Jojoba oil instead of the Olive/Sunflower oils in ALL of our IG versions. We did test the Jojoba/Vit E vs Olive/sun/VitE and really think Jojoba is a much superior ingredient. Thus is about a month+ our 'regular' and "noC" IG's will have only Vitamin E oil [1300+Iu/gm] and Jojoba [no Olive/sunflower oils]. Meaning, at that time we could very easily do a blind study without incurring any extra costs. I'll keep you updated on when the regular IG and IGnoC have the Jojoba. Again, great idea! thanks much! Deming"

I received my R-ala version and I LOVE the jojoba oil!! I think it's really too soon to make a statement about the R-ala being more beneficial than the regular 50/50 ala blend. I love this Intense Gel, though.....I love the smell and I love the way my face feels afterward.....I will probably ALWAYS use this.

Now my face has stopped the peeling from hell ... I'm ready to start this again - TONIGHT!!

Any new updates, guys.

any conclusions on the new intense gel? is it better than the regular version?

Thanks

My update - I don't know if it's 'better' ... depends how you define 'better'

It peeled me a lot, it also made me have burning sensations on my face which eventually gave me a lot of flaking/flushing/down time ... where I had a week where my face looked horrible.

When I used the old version, I just felt well moisterised.

I used the biolamp throughout both above, so that didn't affect it more so.

I think I will stick with the old version, but I will occassionally use this new version (since I still have it) but I prefer the old one.

Just want to post how dissatisfied i was with this product. It stang my face and i washed it off after 20m. After two weeks, i am left with 2 white spots on my jaw and one on my temple. This probably has left other spots and i have not noticed. I am applying a Rx for eczema. One spot is the 1/2'' size. I am dark-olive tone and white spot looks awful. I wish i never bought it. Forget the regular PD--is going to the garbage too.

Really bad product for me.. I hate you PD...........

I love this stuff!!! Yes, it sting after I put it on for 10min at most, but other than no complaints. I have olive skin to and exfoliate very often. I find if I apply it right after I exfol then it gives me a bit longer of a sting....

This has been the best thing for my pore size and red marks; better than the regular ala version.

It only stings me for about 10-25 seconds after I put it on, and it does sting more after exfoliation, that is true.

If you don't have extremely sensitive skin, this is a fantastic product.

Denise2:

Do you think your decreased pore size is permanent, or will you have to stay on the PD RALA to maintain the results?

I also 2nd this product as being fantastic, when I use this at night I can tell a big change in the tone/texture of my skin the next morning.

VWolf: I'm not sure. I THINK I would have to stay on the product, not too sure. I notice when I do something like tca cross on my face and don't use the product for several days, my pores seem to take on a larger appearance.

It helps with the appearance of the smaller, shallower scars too.

IMHO, dhea and ala really are part of the acne/acne scar battle plan. I think since the inclusion of jojoba oil, the product penetrates 100% better also. That might be part of the reason some people are more sensitive and experience stinging.

One of the things about the dhea/ala combo is that it tones and tightens the skin; literally pulls the skin tighter to the face (all of this is talked about at great length in Perricone's books). That probably helps with the appearance of scars, too.

IMHO, this is one of the best products I've ever tried for acne/scars.

DHEA or DMAE