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(@seabs135)

Posted : 11/15/2010 6:18 am

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(@reddragon)

Posted : 11/16/2010 2:16 pm

hey everyone. Can someone please explain why acne scars are harder to get rid of thn other scars as stated few posts back. I have scars all over my chest back arms face legs and belly from picking my skin. I picked blackhead whiteheads and other spots all over my body due to anxiety troubles i had. Do u think when smyhin finally comes out it will help people like me eradicate all my scars/ blemishes and let me have normal skin again. Im 22 now i reqally hope to be sorted by time in 35. Do you think this will be possible. I want my skin normal again or even better than it was before i started with my skin picking disorder. I would be very grateful of reply.

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 11/16/2010 2:38 pm

hey everyone. Can someone please explain why acne scars are harder to get rid of thn other scars as stated few posts back. I have scars all over my chest back arms face legs and belly from picking my skin. I picked blackhead whiteheads and other spots all over my body due to anxiety troubles i had. Do u think when smyhin finally comes out it will help people like me eradicate all my scars/ blemishes and let me have normal skin again. Im 22 now i reqally hope to be sorted by time in 35. Do you think this will be possible. I want my skin normal again or even better than it was before i started with my skin picking disorder. I would be very grateful of reply.

 

I don't know why exactly it's just something I think I've heard people say a number of times. I'm sure if a proper treatment comes out, it will be effective against acne scars even though they appear to be harder to get rid of than e.g. traumatic scars. But this is all just from what I've read...I'm not an expert on the matter. It's just what I think based on what I've heard people say and write, photographs I've seen and so forth.

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Posted : 11/16/2010 2:46 pm

In my topic 'Juvista' , i put the first photo of juvista in revision of scar.

 

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Juvista-t270482.html

 

Yeah, I've seen that. It looks very much improved...but you can still see it clearly. At least on my computer screen you can... But that's a pretty huge scar. Maybe the effect of Juvista will be better on smaller ones...like the ones I assume most people here have due to acne. In any case I think it's a pretty big improvement.

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Posted : 11/16/2010 3:14 pm

In my topic 'Juvista' , i put the first photo of juvista in revision of scar.

 

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/Juvista-t270482.html

 

Yeah, I've seen that. It looks very much improved...but you can still see it clearly. At least on my computer screen you can... But that's a pretty huge scar. Maybe the effect of Juvista will be better on smaller ones...like the ones I assume most people here have due to acne. In any case I think it's a pretty big improvement.

 

That's right, i believe that with juvista will have a big improvement that will be something that we leave conform.

 

By the way in that photo used only 200, i believe that with 500 and applying more times the product, the result serious better.

 

and...maybe if combined with enalapril pills, that inhibits the tgf b1, results much better :D

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Posted : 11/16/2010 3:31 pm

http://www.iahrs.org/news/dr-robert-bernst...cell-matristem/

 

At 7:35 more thoughts on ACell and scarring.

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Posted : 11/16/2010 3:37 pm

I can't remember if this was posted before so I thought I would post it. More Jerry Cooley on ACell:

 

http://www.thebaldtruth.com/news/spencer-k...ell-matristrem/

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 11/16/2010 3:39 pm

That's right, i believe that with juvista will have a big improvement that will be something that we leave conform.

 

By the way in that photo used only 200, i believe that with 500 and applying more times the product, the result serious better.

 

and...maybe if combined with enalapril pills, that inhibits the tgf b1, results much better :D

 

Yeah, I'm excited now about Juvista. VERY curious to see more photos. :)

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Posted : 11/16/2010 7:07 pm

i wonder if 10 years in time we will be able to fully treat our scars...

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(@seabs135)

Posted : 11/16/2010 9:54 pm

hey everyone. Can someone please explain why acne scars are harder to get rid of thn other scars as stated few posts back. I have scars all over my chest back arms face legs and belly from picking my skin. I picked blackhead whiteheads and other spots all over my body due to anxiety troubles i had. Do u think when smyhin finally comes out it will help people like me eradicate all my scars/ blemishes and let me have normal skin again. Im 22 now i reqally hope to be sorted by time in 35. Do you think this will be possible. I want my skin normal again or even better than it was before i started with my skin picking disorder. I would be very grateful of reply.

 

All scars are the same, fibrotic blockages that block off regereration to the tissue collagen fibrils

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(@seabs135)

Posted : 11/16/2010 10:18 pm

I also think that what he said was very bold. He basically said "If you do it this way you've got your skin back in 6 six weeks." without ambiguity. Without a "probably" or a "possibly" or a "if you're lucky".

 

Why should he be economical with what he knows as the truth? Just so it eases in with your or someone elses reality? Why should anyone bend the truth just so it gives 'ambiguity' and someone a chance to spin it with a bias to their reality? Not very scientific is it?

 

 

You misunderstood. I don't believe any treatment is a sure fire one, garuanteed to work every time. Treat 100 people with ACell the best way possible, you possibly won't get 100 ideal results. You can maximize the possibility of an ideal outcome for every patient but you can't promise every one of those 100 people an ideal outcome. And that's what he seems to be doing which I think is something that most doctors wouldn't do.

 

 

Non denatured ECM brings site specific tissue, denatured ECM does not bring site specific tissue. It depends on denaturing and the use of the correct protocol.

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Posted : 11/16/2010 10:39 pm

http://www.iahrs.org/news/dr-robert-bernst...cell-matristem/

 

At 7:35 more thoughts on ACell and scarring.

 

Hitzig presented

 

http://www.iahrs.org/news/acell-matristem-...minary-results/

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Posted : 11/17/2010 5:09 am

hmm can someone ask hitzig for the proper protocol...

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 11/17/2010 8:06 am

hmm can someone ask hitzig for the proper protocol...

 

He said that in the interview. He says that one has to put the powder in the wound, then 1-6 layers thick "mesh" on top and subsequently a gauze on top of that to moisturize. A gauze like for instance this one, he says: Xeroform. The gauze has to be changed once a week. And then after six weeks he says you've got your skin back.

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 11/17/2010 8:09 am

 

Interesting!

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(@neomike)

Posted : 11/17/2010 8:31 am

Here is something very interesting. Do you believe it could be possible to cut out scars and the cut will be only one cell layer wide?

 

Here it is: http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-near-s...-technique.html

 

Imagine this combined with Juvista. This would be really amazing.

 

NEO

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(@reddragon)

Posted : 11/18/2010 3:18 pm

hi all. How do u think when something comes out it will be able to help people who have small scars all over their bodies like myself. iv got these scars all over my back arms legs and chest due to skin pickung. would it entail hving all this skin damaged and then utilasing watever medicine, gene therapy, technique after doing this, im hope we getting somewhere at last and before 2020 i will have perfect skin again. please giv ur opinion,

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(@sarah222)

Posted : 11/19/2010 4:52 pm

hi all. How do u think when something comes out it will be able to help people who have small scars all over their bodies like myself. iv got these scars all over my back arms legs and chest due to skin pickung. would it entail hving all this skin damaged and then utilasing watever medicine, gene therapy, technique after doing this, im hope we getting somewhere at last and before 2020 i will have perfect skin again. please giv ur opinion,

 

Well unfortunately pharmaceuticals are in it for profit and have investors to pay just like any other business. If this was a ideal world where knowledge was shared freely and not patented and marketed in such a way then I'm sure scarless healing would already be here.

 

I hope that we have a option way before 2020 but you can't expect a company to release data that would effect their dividends and core profit can you?.

 

My only hope is in Juvista right now.

Not really contributing but I was interested in other doctors opinions on Juvista so I did a quick search at realself.com and came across a Dr.Oppenheim who quoted some studies from Lancet. Has anyone read these studies? Just curious.

 

- http://www.realself.com/question/silicone-gel-sheeting-effective-treatments-coming

 

I checked his background page and he has a lot of residencies in pathology so go figure. However having this background and being a dermatologist makes his opinion interesting at least.

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(@seabs135)

Posted : 11/20/2010 1:16 am

hmm can someone ask hitzig for the proper protocol...

 

He said that in the interview. He says that one has to put the powder in the wound, then 1-6 layers thick "mesh" on top and subsequently a gauze on top of that to moisturize. A gauze like for instance this one, he says: Xeroform. The gauze has to be changed once a week. And then after six weeks he says you've got your skin back.

 

 

He also mentions this protocol resolving a bitten ear.

 

Hitzig also goes onto the fact that blood mixed with the powder kick starts the whole process later in a talk.

 

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Posted : 11/20/2010 1:26 am

most recent article on the developement of Renovo's top products/juvista/prevascar

 

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Renovo-Gr...581265.html?x=0

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Posted : 11/20/2010 3:48 am

6 weeks sounds too long for a wound to heal. and what is mesh?

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 11/20/2010 4:56 am

hmm can someone ask hitzig for the proper protocol...

 

He said that in the interview. He says that one has to put the powder in the wound, then 1-6 layers thick "mesh" on top and subsequently a gauze on top of that to moisturize. A gauze like for instance this one, he says: Xeroform. The gauze has to be changed once a week. And then after six weeks he says you've got your skin back.

 

 

He also mentions this protocol resolving a bitten ear.

 

Hitzig also goes onto the fact that blood mixed with the powder kick starts the whole process later in a talk.

 

 

I also forgot to mention that he said that the healing wound has to be left alone during the six weeks. So the wound shouldn't be cleaned before the new gauze is put on every week.

 

6 weeks sounds too long for a wound to heal. and what is mesh?

 

I was wondering about this myself. :) But here's a pic:

 

 

Here's one of many different meshes that are on the market:

 

http://www.syneture.com/syneture/pagebuild...crumbs=105341:0

 

 

I think that if ACell turns out to actually be capable of doing the trick then I'll probably go and ask Esther Middelkoop to treat me with it. She can get a hold of the ACell powder as she's a doctor. I'd have to travel to the other side of the country to meet her but it'd be worth it. Juvista is promising too of course but eterna posted a photo of a phase III trial case which looked great but not scarless... But that was a huge, huge scar so maybe when used on smaller scars Juvista can have a better effect... I guess we'll see. Just thinking out loud. Sorry. lol It would be a hoot if I ever actually got my skin back! Just imagine that. Wow. haha Time will tell.

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(@seabs135)

Posted : 11/20/2010 12:52 pm

6 weeks sounds too long for a wound to heal. and what is mesh?

 

 

I'm thinking that the mesh is the saline soaked acell sheets which would degrade like the powder under the gauze...

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(@lapis-lazuli)

Posted : 11/20/2010 1:15 pm

6 weeks sounds too long for a wound to heal. and what is mesh?

 

 

I'm thinking that the mesh is the saline soaked acell sheets which would degrade like the powder under the gauze...

 

 

Ah, yes that thought sort of crossed my mind as well. But the sheet isn't a mesh, Im thinking. :think:

 

 

That doesn't look like a mesh to me...but you may be right. Maybe I can ask around on Spencer Kobren's forum.

 

I'm also thinking that if Hitzig meant the ACell sheets, he would have referred to it as "sheet" or "ACell sheet" and not as "mesh". But I'm not 100% sure.

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Posted : 11/20/2010 1:18 pm

most recent article on the developement of Renovo's top products/juvista/prevascar

 

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Renovo-Gr...581265.html?x=0

 

Yeah, that's the announcement for the year's results. Pretty exciting!

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