@ylem:

Is your doctor an expert in regenerative medicine? If not, what is he talking about? Have you ever been to a university? I am a biologist and can tell you, that phycists are not experts in this kind of things. Phycists are talking bullshit all the time. They are economists who want the most money out of there work. So they are using lasers and other techniques which cannot help.

Look what seabs135 posted all the time. The american army put a huge amount of money in the regenerative field. And I strongely believe that the first thing will be the scarless woundhealing.

Look at salamanders and frogs. Wounds heal in 1 hour perfectly. And maybe Dr Derry is correct and his iodine treatment works correctly and regenerates scars. I will try and other guys here are trying it too. Give us some time.

I have talked with many different phycists and most of them don't know anything about scars and things that help besides using silicone shapes. lol

I think in the next years we will see the stopping of fibrosis or dermal regeneration. Spread the word. And if you are afraid of the future then use iodine for your scars and maybe they will be gone in one year. So long.

Don't give up hope.

NEO

Ps.: There was never ever a regeneration of limbs or fingers in human beings. Let him show you the papers where he read about it. I'm readin nature, science and cell and other stuffs where papers are published and there was nothing like this.

@ylem:

 

Is your doctor an expert in regenerative medicine? If not, what is he talking about? Have you ever been to a university? I am a biologist and can tell you, that phycists are not experts in this kind of things. Phycists are talking bullshit all the time. They are economists who want the most money out of there work. So they are using lasers and other techniques which cannot help.

 

Look what seabs135 posted all the time. The american army put a huge amount of money in the regenerative field. And I strongely believe that the first thing will be the scarless woundhealing.

Look at salamanders and frogs. Wounds heal in 1 hour perfectly. And maybe Dr Derry is correct and his iodine treatment works correctly and regenerates scars. I will try and other guys here are trying it too. Give us some time.

 

 

I have talked with many different phycists and most of them don't know anything about scars and things that help besides using silicone shapes. lol

 

I think in the next years we will see the stopping of fibrosis or dermal regeneration. Spread the word. And if you are afraid of the future then use iodine for your scars and maybe they will be gone in one year. So long.

 

Don't give up hope.

 

NEO

 

 

Ps.: There was never ever a regeneration of limbs or fingers in human beings. Let him show you the papers where he read about it. I'm readin nature, science and cell and other stuffs where papers are published and there was nothing like this.

hopefully what you say you am certaina

I see a hope in decorin but I do not see any product in phase of test that contains decorin.

you in which component it thinks that the definitive solution? juvista, juvidex.decorin?

and for when on sale juvista?

sorry my b. english

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2000174...mp;ordinalpos=4

Here is a link about a 3d scaffold. We are near.

About Juvista, I think in the first half of 2011 we will here about it. And late 2011 maybe you can buy Juvista.

What the final solution will be, I don't know. We will see. Worldwide the regenerative medicine

is on the rise. And I insist the first thing will be the scarless woundhealing.

Have a nice year.

NEO

oh well, we will see. Ive heard about a lot of things nearing hitting market until last minute problems come up and you never see of hear about it again. We really can't be sure here. My doctor is a dermatologic surgeon, so I am sure he knows a thing or two more about it than I would. I would think these doctors would need to keep abreast on this kind of thing. It was just disheartening to hear.

About Juvista, I think in the first half of 2011 we will here about it. And late 2011 maybe you can buy Juvista.

im not so sure about juvista. at first i thought it sounded promising then it failed one of its phases and had to do it again.

also isnt juvista injection based? in the trials it is injected. so how would one do this at home? and how would one purchase it? i wouldnt want to be trying to inject things into my skin at home myself and if you do have to inject it wont it be hard to get hold of? i know we cant answer these questions yet but its food for thought.

also ive seen a before and after picture of juvista and it really wasnt that impressive. the scar was deffinately improved but in regards to it helping acne scars or stretch marks in my case i dont know how well it would work. i think it will help a little but not massively.

who knows?

Does anyone know how I could turn the acell ECM sheets into powder? I can't seem to find an Internet guide anywhere. And on another note: why are you guys saying acell doesn't work even though you've never tried it? But I must say I don't get why there haven't been any simple scar trials. I mean, if you're going to replace someone's bladder(which they have done) why not, I don't know, close the skin incision with acell instead of stitches? Growing organs and muscle tissue and ignoring what should seemingly be simple skin regeneration...well done

@whadup:

You are totally right. Nobody has used Acell in this community and I haven't heard of a case that a doctor has used it besides the doctor who tried to treat baldness. And this guy did not a good job, because he did not use Acell correctly, as the guys at Acell are still saying. The wound got dry and that's it. No further regeneration possible. And then he says it does not work. Yeah it's everytime the same.

@pepo:

Why not use juvista for injection? Go to a doctor and get in injected. Don't see the problem.

And I think they wanted to make Juvista in different forms available. Juvista is not a standalone

method it can be used with other techniques too. Do you remember Recell? Imagine Recell combined with Juvista. I think this would be a good thing.

@ylem:

What doctors are saying is mostly disheartening. lol

Most doctors are not informed when it comes to scientific things. They are not reading good

scientific magazines. I have never seen a doctor reading something outside of their local

interest. As an example when doctors are reading anything about scientific news they are reading something like the local medicine newspaper or something like that. Normally they

have not much time for paper reading. Do you know how long it can take to understand a scientific paper? Especially if you are not deep into the topic? Believe me, too long for a doctor,

who has other things to do. And the only thing they are interested in is news about new lasers and such stuff, because they want to make money. And a doctor who has not the newest lasers

will lose many patients. I think you got the point. Not all doctors are as described here. One doctor I recommended told me he believes, that scarless woundhealing is ten years away. And that's 5 years ago. *g* He showed me his source and it was the same sources which are presented here all the time. He was a plastic surgeon.

In the end we will have to wait and see what will work and what not.

@pepo:

why aren't you using iodine for your stretchmarks? I have talked with dr derry about this, because it's some of my own problems. He thinks that it will regenerate stretchmarks too.

@pepo:

 

Why not use juvista for injection? Go to a doctor and get in injected. Don't see the problem.

And I think they wanted to make Juvista in different forms available. Juvista is not a standalone

method it can be used with other techniques too. Do you remember Recell? Imagine Recell combined with Juvista. I think this would be a good thing.

 

@pepo:

 

why aren't you using iodine for your stretchmarks? I have talked with dr derry about this, because it's some of my own problems. He thinks that it will regenerate stretchmarks too.

it would be far too expensive for me to get juvista injected and simply not practical. i dont have stretch marks like every other person i have them all over my body. you hear people saying they have 4 or 5. i literally have 100s, far too many to count, and because of this far too many to inject. i believe in the tests they injected juvista multiple times into each scar. this just makes things even more impractical for me personally.

im not saying it wont work or that it wont be right for everybody. it just isnt right for me i dont think because of the sheer inpracticality. its not just 1 or 2 scars im trying to get rid of its 100s. there is no way i could afford all the juvista needed and then sit there for hours and hours whilst my doctor injects me 100s of times over and over. im sure this is understandable.

also its debatable how much it would help. i wasnt impressed by the pictures released and to put my body through literally hundreds of injections just to see if it helped a little bit seems absolutely absurd, not to mention a hefty hit to my bank balance. if juvista completely got rid of scars then i would probably do it, id find a way and i would have it done a little bit at a time, but juvista doesnt fully get rid of scars and it has never claimed to. it helps the appearance, but it doesnt completely get rid of them.

so theres my reasoning thus far which i think is understandable. im not saying im 100% right or anything like that as there is much we dont know about juvista, but from what ive heard so far (which is all i can go on) it doesnt sound like an option for me.

____

as for the lugols i tried it for a little over a month and stopped. basically the area i was treating was awkward and the scabbing was quite bad as was the soreness. sometimes when i moved the scab would tear open and was quite painful. so basically i have stopped until i hear from other people whether or not it is helping them. im not prepared to try it for 6 months+ only to find out it doesnt work, as its causing me quite a bit of distress after only 1 month. again i think this is completely understandable. im not saying it doesnt work im just not prepared to go through all that when i dont know if it works. so at the moment im just waiting to hear what other people have to say about it. and if the feedback is positive, then it might be worth going through all the scabbing and soreness, at the moment though i am waiting.

i explained this in the iodine thread i think (was a while ago).

Can someone bother explaining to me on Acell as it seems like the ultimate enigma. Acell is deemed as the cure for scarring, and on its website has some pretty amazing pictures of healing wounds and claims that it can regenerate hair that previously could not grow.

However, not a single person (regular folks like me and you) been able to get our hands on this or remove scars from it.

The situation is like in this makeup story:

Pretend this is an AIDS forum, and everyone down here is inflicted with AIDS.

Then one day, a scientist announced to the whole world that he has the cure for "AIDS", it is in this magical solution and he is selling it at $xxxx. On his website, he has people who has been cured of AIDS giving out testimonials.

We then rejoice the fact that we are all not going to die. Yipiiiieeeee!@!

A whole 2 years later since the release of the magical solution, not one single person you personally know, or anyone in this AIDS forum, have been cured of "AIDS". We all are left with a few more years to live. Some resigned to their fate, while others are enthusiastic that something is "round the corner". After 2 years, you think that the major hospitals would have stock of this magical solution. But sadly, they don't and they prefer to sell AIDS medication that can prolong your life, but eventually will result in your untimely death.

This is what is happening with Acell.

Now can someone enlighten me with an explanation?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5975132n

Something newfrom the Acell labs. Maybe someone posted it before, but here is another article about growing body parts. I can't believe why there is still no real therapy for scars. Even if scars cannot be 100% regnerated there must be a very good improvement. I don't know.

@AI3Forever:

I don't know what to say. Most people are afraid of something new which can change their mind.

I hope that Acell and it's pixie dust gets mor attention and that someone tries to use it on scars.

I remember all of the worldwide rising work in the field of regenerative medicine. Why aren't they first concentrating on scarless woundhealing? This would be a benefit for all other implications and it would be the first "miracle" of the regenerative medicine.

@pepo:

 

why aren't you using iodine for your stretchmarks? I have talked with dr derry about this, because it's some of my own problems. He thinks that it will regenerate stretchmarks too.

do you have more information on this? I mean, about the process? What do you do, just put iodine on the stretch mark? Do you put something over it? How long do you leave it on? How long does the process take? weeks...months...years?

thank you!

Heres a link, matristem has regenerated hair:

 

http://www.womenshairlossproject.com/hair-...lly-clone-hair/

 

Okay, so they have proven that the hair can be regenerated through a previous site where hair could not be regrown. But when will it reconnect to their brain that that means it can be used for acne scars, and thus a treatment for scar sufferers can be done?

 

Its annoying

Does anyone know how I could turn the acell ECM sheets into powder? I can't seem to find an Internet guide anywhere. And on another note: why are you guys saying acell doesn't work even though you've never tried it? But I must say I don't get why there haven't been any simple scar trials. I mean, if you're going to replace someone's bladder(which they have done) why not, I don't know, close the skin incision with acell instead of stitches? Growing organs and muscle tissue and ignoring what should seemingly be simple skin regeneration...well done

Could you not grind a sheet to powder?

Here is my prediction for what will happen to you if you use ECM.

It all depends on denaturing and you will either scar or regenerate..

If the sheet or powder you use becomes denatured or is denatured, the fibrils in the sheet/powder will attract extra collagen to the fibrils, decorin (decorin which at 200nv has completely stopped scarring with no cell death; which is stuff that floods your muscles after exercise when you heal, which is the stuff that your unwounded tissues use to regenerate, which is almost absent in fresh skin wounds) will not be attracted to the wound to keep the fibrils slender, your intercellular cells and stem cells will not be able to grow through the fibrils to create site specific tissue. You will think the treatment is rubbish.

On the other hand, if the sheet/powder you use is non denatured, you will remodel the tissue.

there is some ECM non desnaturalized on sale or in phases of test with decorin?

So how exactly do we get our hands on denatured Acell? Isn't Acell already available in America? Why aren't the americans here in this forum not getting Acell when it is available?

More importantly, why isn't anyone using it for their scars? (Don't give me the we are still new to this technology crap, Acell has been out for almost 2 years and ECM has existed way before that)

So how exactly do we get our hands on denatured Acell? Isn't Acell already available in America? Why aren't the americans here in this forum not getting Acell when it is available?

 

More importantly, why isn't anyone using it for their scars? (Don't give me the we are still new to this technology crap, Acell has been out for almost 2 years and ECM has existed way before that)

acell is NOT non desnaturalized :-s for that reason acell don't work (see dr jones experiment whit acell ,acell don't work...see that pictures on this experiment)

dr jones whit acell experiment: http://www.drrobertjones.com/acell.html

we need a ecm non desnaturalized...where? i've no idea.

sorry my bad english.

@eterna:

Dr Jones did not a good job. He let the powder get dry. He did not do what acell told him to do.

I think someone else should try it again.

I still can't understand why there is no real solution for scars even if it's not 100%. Creams and silicone sheets, come on guys that can't be.

Anything new from the stem cell group?

"acell is NOT non desnaturalized s for that reason acell don't work (see dr jones experiment whit acell ,acell don't work...see that pictures on this experiment)

dr jones whit acell experiment: http://www.drrobertjones.com/acell.html

we need a ecm non desnaturalized...where? i've no idea.

sorry my bad english."

I agree with Neomike in that Dr Jones did not use Acell correctly. You can see how quickly it scabbed up when the wound should have been moist.

See Dr Hitzig getting substantially better results.

http://www.nyhairloss.com/acell.htm

The problem is that there is not enough doctors who have even heard of acell let alone tried it out. I still believe that it is the best option out there in terms of scarless healing, what needs to happen is to create awareness of the product.

I've been emailing various plastic surgeons and asking them if they use Acell and if they don't when will they, it would be great if the other people on this board start emailing plastic surgeons as well. The more emails and calls they get about it the more likely they are to at least look into it.

Has anyone actually used Iodine and have it work? Or is it just a theory that it will work ?

And another thought, how come there are so many promising "new" scareless healing discoveries that are suppose to be near to market, but as time goes by, we never hear about it again? It's false hope and so depressing.

How come we have come so far in technology, but yet, we are still so far away?

Iodine initially was a theory, but the doctor who proposed it, later tested it after obtaining a couple of new scars and came to the conclusion that in fact does work, after witnessing a facial scar fully regenerate, while his other larger abdominal scar is expected to regenerate in a couple of years.

Regarding anything else that flies around the regenerative advancements, in western countries these things have to jump through alot of hoops before becoming avaliable, many can take years. But in the East things work differently, a responsibility like health is not left to money hungry corporations, only now is the US actually investing in regenerative medicine, even though it still doesn't have public healthcare. But since the system wont change anytime soon, we are here waiting for someone to make money of deformed people, while places like China are doing things we thought were more than a decade away.

Has anyone actually used Iodine and have it work? Or is it just a theory that it will work ?

i keep asking for updates. people on the iodine thread started applying iodine over 2 months ago but unfortunately no one is really posting updates. its early days yet but if people arent posting updates after only a month or 2 i cant imagine them posting updates in 6 months.

Has anyone actually used Iodine and have it work? Or is it just a theory that it will work ?

 

i keep asking for updates. people on the iodine thread started applying iodine over 2 months ago but unfortunately no one is really posting updates. its early days yet but if people arent posting updates after only a month or 2 i cant imagine them posting updates in 6 months.

 

Yeah, I agree with you. Anyway, from the looks of it, it sounds too good to be true to actually work. With no updates, it doesn't sound promising.

Has anyone actually used Iodine and have it work? Or is it just a theory that it will work ?

 

i keep asking for updates. people on the iodine thread started applying iodine over 2 months ago but unfortunately no one is really posting updates. its early days yet but if people arent posting updates after only a month or 2 i cant imagine them posting updates in 6 months.

 

 

Yeah, I agree with you. Anyway, from the looks of it, it sounds too good to be true to actually work. With no updates, it doesn't sound promising.

 

i agree it does sound too good to be true but the doctor has no reason to lie. he will not benefit from lieing at all so he must be telling the truth. a lot of us have been in contact with him and he has always been very helpful. this is the crazy thing, i wouldnt have thought in a million years lugols solution could ever work to get rid of scars, but here we have a very credible source saying it does.

when i apply the lugols i always think how is this possibly going to work, but then i read the doctors papers or read emails from him and hes completely genuine. its such a contradiction.

i guess the only way to find out once and for all is to use the lugols ourselves. i originally tried it for a month and then stopped as i didnt see anything and i thought id wait for other peoples findings before i went the whole 6 months to a year stained bright yellow/brown. but because no one is updating i decided to start applying the lugols again. so we will see how it goes.

i hope to god it does work but im just not sure. the hardest thing about it is being patient. if i try it for 6 months+ and it doesnt work ill be so dissapointed so im trying not to get my hopes up. having gone through all the peeling, dryness, cracking, soreness etc only to find out it doesnt work is going to be pretty crap.

I understand how this whole procedure may sound too good to be true, but I also have spoken with Dr. Derry, and his responses simply bring light to my day. Especially the amount of confidence he puts into his responses, gives you alot of hope. Nothing points to his findings being associated with fraud or anything of that nature. He is very well respected and known in the field of thyroid problems, many travelling across the world just to hear his opinion on the matter, which adds to the credebility that his propossed solution for scars may in fact work. And in the end he is not making a dime out of any of this.

If you are still not confident enough about it, at least try a single scar and try not to pay too much attention to it for the next six months. If it regenerates as suggested, then the next six months won't be as harsh, if anything you will walk around with a shit load of confidence knowing this nightmare is coming to an end.

I am continuing with my iodine protocol: apply once a day at bedtime. It has been approximately 2.5 months. I am more than willing to put up with the dryness and peeling. I think it helps my skin texture overall. I also think my scars look better. I am going to go the full six months and possibly longer if I keep seeing changes.

Instead of waiting around for something else to come out to treat my scarring, I am more than willing to take this chance. What is there to lose, really? I want my life back.

C.

Hey everybody. I have some acell sheets but I've tried to use them on hidden imperfections and they haven't worked. For example:I cut out some raised freckles on my chest and followed proper procedure with the acell sheets(well, at least I tried to follow proper procedure). I've come to the conclusion that the acell sheets are impossible to use on small wounds because they simply don't fill the wound. They just lay on top and contribute nothing. The sheets weren't even degrading or changing that brownish color they're supposed to because they weren't even in contact with the wound. The sheets are probably only supposed to be used for very large wounds. So I'm going to ask again if anyone can help me find a way to grind the sheets into powder. I emailed acell and they won't reveal the information. I thought I heard somewhere(maybe even on this thread) that someone has a tutorial of how to do it...?? I tried freezing the sheets but nothing happens. Like they literally don't even get 1 degree colder which is weird. Help me find this and you'll soon find out what acell can do for you. I can be your hero. I can be the pioneer. I won't leave this thread no matter what my results are. It doesn't seem that difficult. Small injuries(the opening of scars) are the smallest injuries you can have that scar and don't regenerate. So if you aid the process with a $200 product that's job is to heal things scarlessly then you won't scar. I know other acell trials don't seem amazingly promising but they are also dealing with insane injuries. We're basically going to be healing cuts on our faces. If you find out how to make acell sheets into powdered form I can help put this ridiculous scar battle to bed. Help me help you. Thanks everyone.