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On 10/14/2019 at 7:40 PM, hopfullady said:Hey Nikki Gargin,
Where did you get the 6% of people info on scarring. Im researching microcoring and wanted to know if that came from a specific source. Is it for Cytrellis or recros medica? Thanks in advance
Recros medica the 6% And it was in their studies I believe or their presentation.
1 hour ago, DinkumFridge said:Do you think micro core rings can be used for narrow and deep scars?
The needles can go various depths, and narrow is most likely better than wide at least. You would need to see a professional for a real answer though.
On 10/15/2019 at 1:12 PM, Sniffy said:I dont understand when you say microcoring is another gimmick but then follow up by saying it will take many treatments to possibly achieve smooth skin? How is it a Gimmick?
If it takes several treatments to eliminate scarring then honestly who gives a shit, I know i wouldn't. Its minimal downtime anyway. Its the most promising treatment on the horizon I believe because the concept is clever yet simple. The big questions are depth of scar for coring to completely remove the unwanted tissue and accuracy. Most acne scars are tethered down by fibrotic tissue creating that soft undulating appearance. The idea behind Microcoringis simple, to excise that scar tissue that causes both the tethered down indentation and the poor texture and allow the healthy skin to close up gradually over treatments.
Most of us have never had such a treatment that will genuinely remove the problem causing the appearance we hate. All treatments Ive had this past decade have been based on disruptive methods to the underlying scar tissue or temporary camouflage methodsand Ibet you are all the same. If it really does excise without scarring (and it has already shown so with laxskin patients who dont have scars anyway) then ill be making an appointment when its available but again there are questions to be answered on scar depth and accuracy.
If you have the funds and patience to undergo 100x treatments to remove a scar, than by all means go ahead.
3 hours ago, MyBeautifulScars said:If you have the funds and patience to undergo 100x treatments to remove a scar, than by all means go ahead.
Patience? ....ummmm...People have been waiting for what seems like their entire life with no real solution on the table. People lurk on this forum for years waiting for something positive to give them some hope. Are we really getting so picky these days that it needs to be a magic cream that cost $2.99 over the counterthat breaks the dreaded curse. I understand we all have different circumstances be it financially or work/lifestyle balance but for the amount of dedication many of us have poured into this I cant imagine we would continue coming back here praying for something better if we actually have something that works. You could invest your dollars into something that works or wait more years in hope.
I dont know what the cost per treatment may end up being and how many treatments it would take to remove a small scar but they are not going to make it unreasonable or unrealistic for people to get this treatment for scars if it works. Its poor strategy to over price it if it takes 100 sessions as you say which we know is an exaggeration.
If they remove 25% of the scar in one treatment or even 10% then where do you get 100 from? Im doing the math...people gothrough 4-6 treatments with Laser for almost no change,nowthat's a gimmick.
Considering many acne scar sufferers have been through Laser programs and coughed up thousands then they will probably cough up the same amount or even less to actually remove the problem forever if the results we hope for are favorable. If your a long time poster or Lurker here then Patience should not be an issue, we just want something that works.
If it takes 12 months or more of treatments spaced every 8 weeks with minimal downtime to gradually reach your goal then is that really going to deter people. Id think not...
4 hours ago, Sniffy said:Patience? ....ummmm...People have been waiting for what seems like their entire life with no real solution on the table. People lurk on this forum for years waiting for something positive to give them some hope. Are we really getting so picky these days that it needs to be a magic cream that cost $2.99 over the counterthat breaks the dreaded curse. I understand we all have different circumstances be it financially or work/lifestyle balance but for the amount of dedication many of us have poured into this I cant imagine we would continue coming back here praying for something better if we actually have something that works. You could invest your dollars into something that works or wait more years in hope.
I dont know what the cost per treatment may end up being and how many treatments it would take to remove a small scar but they are not going to make it unreasonable or unrealistic for people to get this treatment for scars if it works. Its poor strategy to over price it if it takes 100 sessions as you say which we know is an exaggeration.
If they remove 25% of the scar in one treatment or even 10% then where do you get 100 from? Im doing the math...people gothrough 4-6 treatments with Laser for almost no change,nowthat's a gimmick.
Considering many acne scar sufferers have been through Laser programs and coughed up thousands then they will probably cough up the same amount or even less to actually remove the problem forever if the results we hope for are favorable. If your a long time poster or Lurker here then Patience should not be an issue, we just want something that works.
If it takes 12 months or more of treatments spaced every 8 weeks with minimal downtime to gradually reach your goal then is that really going to deter people. Id think not...
Agreed , and laser actually ruins skin tissue , that's what happened to me , my whole face is bad skin texture and scarring , i would pay hundreds of thousands to have the skin i use to have , no scars , there is hope apart from Micocoring , but if microcoring works to remove scars , then that would make me happy.
On 10/17/2019 at 3:04 PM, Sniffy said:Patience? ....ummmm...People have been waiting for what seems like their entire life with no real solution on the table. People lurk on this forum for years waiting for something positive to give them some hope. Are we really getting so picky these days that it needs to be a magic cream that cost $2.99 over the counterthat breaks the dreaded curse. I understand we all have different circumstances be it financially or work/lifestyle balance but for the amount of dedication many of us have poured into this I cant imagine we would continue coming back here praying for something better if we actually have something that works. You could invest your dollars into something that works or wait more years in hope.
I dont know what the cost per treatment may end up being and how many treatments it would take to remove a small scar but they are not going to make it unreasonable or unrealistic for people to get this treatment for scars if it works. Its poor strategy to over price it if it takes 100 sessions as you say which we know is an exaggeration.
If they remove 25% of the scar in one treatment or even 10% then where do you get 100 from? Im doing the math...people gothrough 4-6 treatments with Laser for almost no change,nowthat's a gimmick.
Considering many acne scar sufferers have been through Laser programs and coughed up thousands then they will probably cough up the same amount or even less to actually remove the problem forever if the results we hope for are favorable. If your a long time poster or Lurker here then Patience should not be an issue, we just want something that works.
If it takes 12 months or more of treatments spaced every 8 weeks with minimal downtime to gradually reach your goal then is that really going to deter people. Id think not...
I had laser in a scar. Swear it made it worse. I just remember this gut feeling my skin didnt like it. Needling however is completely fine. My doctor now doesnt even own a laser, say needling works just as well if not better with none of the same risks.
18 hours ago, nikki_gargin said:I had laser in a scar. Swear it made it worse. I just remember this gut feeling my skin didnt like it. Needling however is completely fine. My doctor now doesnt even own a laser, say needling works just as well if not better with none of the same risks.
Microneedling is a good treatment with genuine results. Subcision also does well. Funny that they are both mechanical/manual devices that are inexpensive but lasers were for many years advertised as the game changer when in reality they offer minimal results. Ive also spoken tosome highly regarded Dermatologists who have had experience with lasers and they say lasers are a waste of peoples time and money. Unfortunately these cosmetic spa clinics still try and ram them down the throats of vulnerable people.
My best bet to anyone starting out on treatment would be subcision and needling followed by some micro fat grafting if its indented. Thats what I had and thats what gave me very good results. As a Dermatologist told me once the last20-30% you are chasing is the hardest to improve. Thats where you need a regenerative product or something like microcoring if it worksto get your skin as close back to 100%.
History is the big indicator here, manual/mechanical treatments ofthe skin has worked. Fancy technology has failed.
Microneedling- Breaks up that fibrotic thick scar tissue and re-organizes skintissue but cant remove scar tissue completely.
Microcoring- Removes the damaged tissue and skin tissue re-organizes itself as more and more healthy skin closes in.
Sunogels Wizgel and Fs2 from birchbiomed are interesting products and I really hope they succeed but they are long shots lets face it. Microcoring is on the market in 2020 and is realistically more of a chance to help you. If it can remove unwanted healthy appearing skin safely why cant it remove unwanted damged skin?
22 hours ago, nikki_gargin said:I had laser in a scar. Swear it made it worse. I just remember this gut feeling my skin didnt like it. Needling however is completely fine. My doctor now doesnt even own a laser, say needling works just as well if not better with none of the same risks.
Can microcoring remove only the areas you want?
Do you have any other news?
On 10/30/2019 at 4:47 AM, Sniffy said:Microneedling is a good treatment with genuine results. Subcision also does well. Funny that they are both mechanical/manual devices that are inexpensive but lasers were for many years advertised as the game changer when in reality they offer minimal results. Ive also spoken tosome highly regarded Dermatologists who have had experience with lasers and they say lasers are a waste of peoples time and money. Unfortunately these cosmetic spa clinics still try and ram them down the throats of vulnerable people.
My best bet to anyone starting out on treatment would be subcision and needling followed by some micro fat grafting if its indented. Thats what I had and thats what gave me very good results. As a Dermatologist told me once the last20-30% you are chasing is the hardest to improve. Thats where you need a regenerative product or something like microcoring if it worksto get your skin as close back to 100%.
History is the big indicator here, manual/mechanical treatments ofthe skin has worked. Fancy technology has failed.
Microneedling- Breaks up that fibrotic thick scar tissue and re-organizes skintissue but cant remove scar tissue completely.
Microcoring- Removes the damaged tissue and skin tissue re-organizes itself as more and more healthy skin closes in.
Sunogels Wizgel and Fs2 from birchbiomed are interesting products and I really hope they succeed but they are long shots lets face it. Microcoring is on the market in 2020 and is realistically more of a chance to help you. If it can remove unwanted healthy appearing skin safely why cant it remove unwanted damged skin?
Fat grafting doesn't really work for many people either. Microcoring requires many treatments to achieve results but I wouldn't keep my hopes up just yet.
We have known for years that with scar treatments, it's not the technology but rather using a manual method to improve appearance.
On 10/30/2019 at 8:47 AM, Sniffy said:Microneedling is a good treatment with genuine results. Subcision also does well. Funny that they are both mechanical/manual devices that are inexpensive but lasers were for many years advertised as the game changer when in reality they offer minimal results. Ive also spoken tosome highly regarded Dermatologists who have had experience with lasers and they say lasers are a waste of peoples time and money. Unfortunately these cosmetic spa clinics still try and ram them down the throats of vulnerable people.
My best bet to anyone starting out on treatment would be subcision and needling followed by some micro fat grafting if its indented. Thats what I had and thats what gave me very good results. As a Dermatologist told me once the last20-30% you are chasing is the hardest to improve. Thats where you need a regenerative product or something like microcoring if it worksto get your skin as close back to 100%.
History is the big indicator here, manual/mechanical treatments ofthe skin has worked. Fancy technology has failed.
Microneedling- Breaks up that fibrotic thick scar tissue and re-organizes skintissue but cant remove scar tissue completely.
Microcoring- Removes the damaged tissue and skin tissue re-organizes itself as more and more healthy skin closes in.
Sunogels Wizgel and Fs2 from birchbiomed are interesting products and I really hope they succeed but they are long shots lets face it. Microcoring is on the market in 2020 and is realistically more of a chance to help you. If it can remove unwanted healthy appearing skin safely why cant it remove unwanted damged skin?
Im having fat grafting soon into and under the scar in January. Helps again to break up scar tissue and normalise the collagen and orientation of collagen fibres. I think this is as good as I will get for now. Fs2 and microcoring could really work well together for scar remodelling so watch this space. Sunogel will be a bit longer than them 2.
23 hours ago, MyBeautifulScars said:Fat grafting doesn't really work for many people either. Microcoring requires many treatments to achieve results but I wouldn't keep my hopes up just yet.
We have known for years that with scar treatments, it's not the technology but rather using a manual method to improve appearance.
Yes Fat grafting is only suitable for particular scarring like soft rolling scars that are not tethered down so much hence the importance for subcision and needling to break the up that fibrotic scar tissue first. Andit needs to be micro fat grafting to individual locations that are sunken, not just filling the face with fat in a general area...
Scars that have more edge to them like box car my guess would be needling predominantly.
On 10/30/2019 at 9:44 PM, DinkumFridge said:Can microcoring remove only the areas you want?
Do you have any other news?
Thats the big question for me. I have a feeling they are working on this in development. I contacted them recently about this and they said they they couldnt give to much details away because they are still developing their productsbut followed by saying to stay tuned for more info in the future. They need a single scalpet piece thats around that 0.5mm safe zone in diameter or slightly over. Same piece as what Recros medica have only theirs is to big at 1.5mm.
Then they can specifically target and remove only scar tissue. You can only remove X amount of skin on your face so using a multi scalpet coring piece would be removing surrounding healthy skin also which you dont want to do especially given you wont have the sagging excess skin that this treatment was originally designed for. Ifyou have one solid scar from an accident, surgery or something then the multi core mechanism would suit better.
Ideally you would like to mark with some sort of marker pen the individual scar locations prior to treatment and the physician would then core those marked spots almost like he is a tattoo artist only he is removing the undesirable skin.
Another question to be answered will be what % of skin can be removed overall versus what % of scar tissue you have when concerning the face. You dont want to remove to much skin and look unnatural.
Anyway fingers crossed it can help.
12 hours ago, Sniffy said:Thats the big question for me. I have a feeling they are working on this in development. I contacted them recently about this and they said they they couldnt give to much details away because they are still developing their productsbut followed by saying to stay tuned for more info in the future. They need a single scalpet piece thats around that 0.5mm safe zone in diameter or slightly over. Same piece as what Recros medica have only theirs is to big at 1.5mm.
Then they can specifically target and remove only scar tissue. You can only remove X amount of skin on your face so using a multi scalpet coring piece would be removing surrounding healthy skin also which you dont want to do especially given you wont have the sagging excess skin that this treatment was originally designed for. Ifyou have one solid scar from an accident, surgery or something then the multi core mechanism would suit better.
Ideally you would like to mark with some sort of marker pen the individual scar locations prior to treatment and the physician would then core those marked spots almost like he is a tattoo artist only he is removing the undesirable skin.
Another question to be answered will be what % of skin can be removed overall versus what % of scar tissue you have when concerning the face. You dont want to remove to much skin and look unnatural.
Anyway fingers crossed it can help.
I belive wewill be able to remove a lot of skin without looking unnatural couse as said skin has amazing stretching ability.
Just look how much our skin stretched from the moment of our birth to the moment of us beign fully grown adults
Also theres nothing even wrong with removing healthy skin as long as it doesnt cause scar tissue formation and microcoring is said to never create scar tissue
You can remove as much tissue as you want. Tissue expansion is an inherent ability that the skin has. Stretching the skin actually creates new skin; i's mind blowing but true. Appendages will be more spread out in primary intention wound closure, but I don't find that to be nearly as concerning at a face full of scars.
1 hour ago, DinkumFridge said:We worry that microcoring will not meet our expectations. I thought Skinte could completely cure the scars. But it could not be cured. I'm worried that the same thing will happen again.
I completely understand your corncers but SkinTe was primarly aiming at burn wounds and wounds that wouldnt heal andit heals those very good.
SkinTE was never tested on acne scars nor promised perfect skin regeneration
Microcoring whoever is beign tested on acne scars and other cosmetic changes
and we have also Sunogel that promises perfect skin regeration and I belive those might be the cures, still theres some time ahead of us for this treatments to prove successful and come to market
9 hours ago, AlexZ77 said:I completely understand your corncers but SkinTe was primarly aiming at burn wounds and wounds that wouldnt heal andit heals those very good.
SkinTE was never tested on acne scars nor promised perfect skin regeneration
Microcoring whoever is beign tested on acne scars and other cosmetic changes
and we have also Sunogel that promises perfect skin regeration and I belive those might be the cures, still theres some time ahead of us for this treatments to prove successful and come to market
Actually SkinTE promised full skin regeneration.
10 hours ago, Scarcure said:No it didn't , the area of the skin that is cut would regenerate fully , however the corners of the regenerated skin would have slight scarring ....
They began a marketing campaign in the beginning with bold statements that they can actually regenerate injured skin.
A few months later, they started talking about an invisible edge. As more and more pics were posted from them, we realized it wasn't scarless healing at all.
They now claim that their product closes wounds faster than any other current method.
5 hours ago, MyBeautifulScars said:They began a marketing campaign in the beginning with bold statements that they can actually regenerate injured skin.
A few months later, they started talking about an invisible edge. As more and more pics were posted from them, we realized it wasn't scarless healing at all.
They now claim that their product closes wounds faster than any other current method.
It's an improvement isn't it ? yes sadly what they promised was bullshit , but it wasn't a complete disaster , and you have to appreciate that this gel is closing on 3rd degree burns as a fast rate .... that's huge if you think about it , not complete regeneration , but still good.
How is microcoring scarless healing? Also I would unlikely believe any scarless healing claims until someone removes their scars totally.
8 minutes ago, AI3forever said:How is microcoring scarless healing? Also I would unlikely believe any scarless healing claims until someone removes their scars totally.
Microcoring is something different, itdoesnt regenerateskin in anyway so its actuallynot the holy grial that were waiting for.
What it does is basicaly removing scar tissue by creating lots of very small wounds the size of needle pokes and because they are so small skin doesnt scar. After they heal healthy skin around the scar stretches and takes the place where scar tissue was
I hope I explained it good enought, engilsh is not my native language
Oh my god ..... guys .... where getting close !!!!!
this is huge
1 hour ago, Scarcure said:Oh my god ..... guys .... where getting close !!!!!
this is huge
This is not new. Every now and then, some journalists write an article about 3D skin printing and printing of other organs but the technology is primitive and still years away.