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PolarityTE never replied to my email asking about the potential use of SkinTE for acne scars.
Anyway let's wait for the results....considering it takes 3 months and they started to use it on patients on mid december, we should have the first results by mid march or around that time
12 hours ago, Rez77 said:you know its really awesome there are all these financial analysts around but are we gonna get any real results here. if this stuff is in burn clinics (which i fucking doubt, i.e. the boxes might technically be in teh clinics, but nothings been used yet) then we'd have photos of before and after. WE have no such photos so no one is using it. When can I give up on this one too? Its depressing to wait so long and think I'll have to wait another 10 years. I'll be an old man and won't give a shit at the point for sure.
So, let me get this straight. You believe that PolarityTE issued a press released bold faced lying about how SkinTE is already on patients? And you also believe that a poster on this board that has been calling clinics, and has been told by at least two that it's being used there, is also lying?
To what end? I just don't get this level of disbelief in anything the company or anyone else says about it. You can definitely doubt the efficacy of the product, but it's borderline paranoid to think that there's this level of lying going on.
In terms of results, I was speculating that late January to mid-February as a window for results only because of the results in pigs. We're only 22 days into the month and PolarityTE said they were going to release results over the first half of the year. That window is wide open.
10 hours ago, eekman said:Well, I am waiting til April for any significant information. If there are no results by then, I am proceeding with existing scar treatments and try to get at least some improvement.. I have contacted numerous admins of various burn victims forums/facebook groups and noone has even heard of SkinTE lol.. Most just think I am a scammer trying to sell useless product to their vulnerable group. If it is successful, I think the information would spread way quicker from doctors to patients. It is alarming that no updates are being posted about healing progress of the patients if it is being used and also there is really no proof that it even worked on pigs. But what do I know about pharma business, maybe its the way a new product should be entering market.. The Polarity team really has no obligation to rush the product for us and they will release it when they think it is ready if it ever is.
I think your timeline makes sense. In my opinion, you, or anyone else, should go ahead with a treatment now if you think it will benefit you.
I don't find it alarming that there are no updates. Releasing results before the wound has fully healed is unwise. The outcome could improve or worsen over time. Better to wait until the wound has healed fully and you know exactly what outcome you can expect.
It's also not surprising to me that most people haven't heard of it; even in burn forums and Facebook groups. The company has only been around a little over a year and only on patients since sometime in November or December. Honestly, this board is probably the most active on the entire Internet in terms of investigating and disseminating information about scar treatments and scar free healing research. I think it's safe to say those of us on here know more than most about what might be coming down the pipelineeven a lot of doctors.
On PolarityTE's Facebook a mother left a comment about her daughter getting 3rd degree burns on 95%of her body and asked about more information. They did reply to this comment privately (Facebook actually shows that, something I didn't know the site did). Again, they would have to be real monsters to reply to someone like that without actually using the product. I don't believe they're that at all.
3 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:PolarityTE never replied to my email asking about the potential use of SkinTE for acne scars.
Anyway let's wait for the results....considering it takes 3 months and they started to use it on patients on mid december, we should have the first results by mid march or around that time
Agreed. And I don't think they'll answer questions about uses outside of the primary indication (burn scars) until they know more about SkinTE's effectiveness. Literally everything about their company rests on how well it works.
I heard of Accutane way before most derms ever heard of it and i was going to be a test patient but my derm and i decided to wait until it came on the market. Only one drug store in a town of 30 thousand had it. It didn't work for me as spironolactone was the only thing that did. I have seen so many new scar treatments over the years....laser,fillers,acid peels and Isologen.....recell ect. It was all a big let down when the doctors promised the world but didn't deliver. I don't come here much anymore but i do want to see if this stuff works. Even if it works ......don't know if i would get it if it cost a fortune.I understand how people feel with acne scars but a lot of people posting here don't have that bad.My scars are all over my face. I hope it works for you guys but go on with your life's if it doesn't. I think the Chinese are going to pass the USA very soon in the medical field as Americans seem to diss science all the time.
2 hours ago, nikkigirl said:I heard of Accutane way before most derms ever heard of it and i was going to be a test patient but my derm and i decided to wait until it came on the market. Only one drug store in a town of 30 thousand had it. It didn't work for me as spironolactone was the only thing that did. I have seen so many new scar treatments over the years....laser,fillers,acid peels and Isologen.....recell ect. It was all a big let down when the doctors promised the world but didn't deliver. I don't come here much anymore but i do want to see if this stuff works. Even if it works ......don't know if i would get it if it cost a fortune.I understand how people feel with acne scars but a lot of people posting here don't have that bad.My scars are all over my face. I hope it works for you guys but go on with your life's if it doesn't. I think the Chinese are going to pass the USA very soon in the medical field as Americans seem to diss science all the time.
My face has acne scars but they are not terrible. I don't have perfect skin but nobody does anyways. I have about 20 superficial dents on my cheeks. Some are deeper than others but nothing to cry over. I must say I got acne at 11 and my face started clearing about 10 years later on its own.
My back and shoulders however are extremely scarred from years of acne conglobata which also caused me to get immense joint point. I still get an occasional breakout of 3 to 4 pimples at times on my back. When one pops up, the whole family settles in. Some of these swell up and take weeks to heal. Also, they grow on top of the scarred tissue which makes me wonder how scar tissue can get pimples in the first place. Do my scars regenerate pores? I believe so because I get small hair growing through the scars.
Anyways, I also suffer from severe folliculitis on my buttocks and thighs. This has also left me with scars. I also have hidradenitis suppurativa on my groin. The scar there is quite impressive.
I don't believe any existing scar treatments will help me with my body scars caused by my skin problems. First of all, modern medicine still ca5nt cure my skin conditions.
I am hoping SkinTE will be a start to something amazing. If not, well, at least I had something to believe in. I am still not losing hope. There will be a moment when scars will be a thing of the past, but I would be to old to care. The point is for the medical community to find a permanent solution to my skin conditions and scars while I am still young. Unfortunately, very little progress is being made here despite several medical advancements.
So I accepted my rotten state of skin and I tell myself at least I am not bald, I have my arms and legs, I am not deaf or blind. I can work, travel and drive my vehicle. What else do I need? As for my scars, well life has decided to leave physical marks on me. I believe many people on this forum should realize there acne scars do not hold them back from achieving their goals. And no, I am talking about realistic goals not becoming an Instagram model.
10 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:PolarityTE never replied to my email asking about the potential use of SkinTE for acne scars.
Anyway let's wait for the results....considering it takes 3 months and they started to use it on patients on mid december, we should have the first results by mid march or around that time
That is it. Strap yourself in and enjoy the ride.
1 , Anonymouz1 :
I also hope that skinte will be a starting point. There will be moments when a wound will someday become a thing of the past. But
I hope you will not be too late. I always pray that this pain will end when I fall asleep. Unfortunately, modern medicine is painful and disappointing because it can not cure scars. If Skinte succeeds and derivatives come out, it may not come to the country where I live.
But living with hope that I can heal will escape from suffering. I sincerely wish Skinte's success.
On 1/23/2018 at 11:54 PM, DinkumFridge said:I also hope that skinte will be a starting point. There will be moments when a wound will someday become a thing of the past. But
I hope you will not be too late. I always pray that this pain will end when I fall asleep. Unfortunately, modern medicine is painful and disappointing because it can not cure scars. If Skinte succeeds and derivatives come out, it may not come to the country where I live.
But living with hope that I can heal will escape from suffering. I sincerely wish Skinte's success.
Scars are not a disease. They are a natural cure, an attempt of the body to heal itself. This is why modern medicine has never tried to find a permanent fix to scarring. Imagine if our bodies did not scar, we would bleed to death. If we had the ability to regenerate, we would be the perfect species.
Unfortunately, we live in a society where the body is worshipped more than ever. Scars are now viewed as flaws and having acne scars is a pain. Wrinkles, cellulite and stretch marks are also setbacks in our endless quest for perfection. A lot of research has been made to find a way to reactivate our body's natural regenerative capabilities. I believe some scientist out there knows how to do this right now. Morals, ethics, politics and money are factors that you need to consider as to why no permanent fix was found to end scarring.
It might not be about PolarityTE but it is the latest news showing that science is moving towards the right direction that hopefully will relieve us all.
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/3d-bioprinted-skin-pigmentation/
https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm585345.htm
1 hour ago, SimpleMutton said:PolarityTE today lost another 5% in the stock market, I'm sorry but these aren't positive news and a normal stock doesn't lose over 30% of his value in 6 weeks.....insiders are selling big
Could be an indication of something related to the results, or it could just be it's the beginning of the year and investors are reevaluating their portfolios. Early investors would still stand to make a huge profit, and with results coming soon they just might be hedging their bets that it won't be revolutionary so they still make out with a nice gain. Now, if we find out anyone that works for PolarityTE is selling big then it's time to really worry.
Results will come soonish. That's all I really care about. It's just guessing if I go by the stock price unless it craters. And I think it's lost closer to 20%. Not that it's good, but an extra ten percent is pretty big.
The thing is guys, there's ZERO proof here. This is a pie in the sky venture just like epibone. These guys aren't serious scientists, they're doctor's turned entrepreneurs hoping to cash in for the next several years with VC money and then tinker around. If they have anything right now its only for burns and its just a shoot-off of recell nothing more which doesn't work on acne scars (or other scars). This company is about to tank. You can't have a company with no product. There's no product here, just empty promises of things to never come...
4 hours ago, Rez77 said:The thing is guys, there's ZERO proof here. This is a pie in the sky venture just like epibone. These guys aren't serious scientists, they're doctor's turned entrepreneurs hoping to cash in for the next several years with VC money and then tinker around. If they have anything right now its only for burns and its just a shoot-off of recell nothing more which doesn't work on acne scars (or other scars). This company is about to tank. You can't have a company with no product. There's no product here, just empty promises of things to never come...
Good point. Some people have taken skin TE waay too seriously.
I rarely view this thread, but it seems that the people who are the most invested in it and take it far too seriously are also the guys who think the sky is falling.
Looking at some people here is like seeing a roller coaster. Some good news comes out, and they feel that the end of scars is coming. Some % drop in stock prices, and you see these very same people suddenly doubting and even calling these guys frauds and "no product" (which is strange since they're being deployed right now in burn centers and clinics).
4 hours ago, Raster said:I rarely view this thread, but it seems that the people who are the most invested in it and take it far too seriously are also the guys who think the sky is falling.
Looking at some people here is like seeing a roller coaster. Some good news comes out, and they feel that the end of scars is coming. Some % drop in stock prices, and you see these very same people suddenly doubting and even calling these guys frauds and "no product" (which is strange since they're being deployed right now in burn centers and clinics).
I agree
Paranoia levels are high atm. A dip in the stock price was bound to happen before results are released. If it crashes down to $15 or less maybe news from burn centers isn't great but otherwise its as per normal just wait and see results before we write them off.
7 hours ago, ScarRight said:Good point. Some people have taken skin TE waay too seriously.
Really... what point did Rez77 make? He or she shared an opinion, that's all.
And some of it is just patently false. Other than taking a biopsy, the processes for Recell, and RenovaCare's gun, aren't the same. They emphasize different cells to try to get regeneration. On top of that Rez77 goes on to say there is no product despite a press release that says otherwise and someone on this very board saying they'd found clinics using it. Paranoia doesn't do anyone a benefit.
And then Rez77 goes on to claim they aren't serious scientists and are just trying to use VC money to tinker around. These aren't points, they're just Rez77 making baseless claims.
Look, no one knows for sure if it will work perfectly right out of the gate, need optimization or be a complete flop. It's possible these evil doctors all banded together to rip off investors, harm their potential patients with an inferior product and reap massive monetary gain by selling off their shares based on a fraud. The other scenario is they genuinely believe the product can help people and want to make money off of it like any company would. Which one is the more realistic? I'm not saying don't keep your guard up, but jeez, this "everyone involved is a conniving monster" talk is a bit silly.
Anything is possible, but again, none of this speculating does anyone any good. The product is out (I'm not going to seriously debate that with anyone), it will either work, it won't or be somewhere in between (i.e. improve over skin grafts but not be complete regeneration). The company has stated several times that the use is up to patient/provider and that they want to have cosmetic derivative products. That's all we know.
14 hours ago, Rez77 said:The thing is guys, there's ZERO proof here. This is a pie in the sky venture just like epibone. These guys aren't serious scientists, they're doctor's turned entrepreneurs hoping to cash in for the next several years with VC money and then tinker around. If they have anything right now its only for burns and its just a shoot-off of recell nothing more which doesn't work on acne scars (or other scars). This company is about to tank. You can't have a company with no product. There's no product here, just empty promises of things to never come...
Wowee. Emotions are running high!
Take a break from this site maybe, dont look into Skinte every 5 minutes. Catch your breath brother. Its ok. If you hate PolarityTe so much then move on and enjoy life I say.
I can also say myself that I spoke with someone i dont know on personal level who is heavily into trading on the share market and he has thrown money into PolarityTe purely as an investment oppurtunity. No scars, no emotions attached. He hopes its a huge success obviously for different reasons to us. He is close to someone in wound/burn field who is excited by this technology but this someone has not seen results/healing or used SkinTe. Just investing on about as much as we know I think.
Anyway he said there will be a dip in the stock price before results are revealed and he said this a few weeks ago when stock price was steady around $24-$25. He seemed to know alot more about this game then I do and so far he has proven to be correct in what he said so Im not concerned about any speculation driven from people on this forum that whenever the stock drops or there is "no news" its Doomsday for us all, nothing changes for me, just awaiting results now and crossing fingers and toes. None of these conspiracies or insider tip off whispers that people make up here from thin air. AKA Paranoia.....
If you go back to PolarityTe website and see the first 3 photos of SkinTe on the Pig, the 3rd photo is not final result as I thought. The skin still has some redness and uneveness to it although 10 times better than the other identical wound healing under normal conditions both at 54 days "healing", 90 days or 3 months if u like is the anticipated timeline for complete healing or regeneration when results can be judged.
Other photos look more like normal complete healed skin matching native skin assuming they are final results post 3 months. So even if Skinte was first used on patients early December i wouldnt expect any results till maybe start of March for these original pilot patients who recieved SkinTe so final results can be seen and judged each on there merits. I personally think its still 6 weeks away before anyone including PolarityTe can fairly assess results. Healing takes time, simple.
40 minutes ago, Frasier said:Next week Rez could be the happiest person on earth. Its laughable.
Laughable? Why so huffy?
Don't you see that alot of ppl who post in this thread rather need psychological help than believing in a technology that's not going to happen?
Ppl are so lost that they can't even stop posting here. That's the real tragedy.
after insulting each other..
Honestly right now aggressive CO2 laser, dermabrasion, plus PRP, plus fillers and radiofrequency and
collagan induction therapy is the only solution. You need all the above AND subcision etc.
from docs like Philp Young or Jason Emer and you'll get at least 30-40 percent improvement.
that's actually pretty good. that's what keeps me from going suicidal. i'll have this all done this summer and report back.
14 minutes ago, Rez77 said:Honestly right now aggressive CO2 laser, dermabrasion, plus PRP, plus fillers and radiofrequency and
collagan induction therapy is the only solution. You need all the above AND subcision etc.
from docs like Philp Young or Jason Emer and you'll get at least 30-40 percent improvement.
that's actually pretty good. that's what keeps me from going suicidal. i'll have this all done this summer and report back.
Rez77, I feel for you or anyone else on this board that has suicidal ideations. Please get help for that if you're experiencing it now.
However, please don't cause grief for others by posting baseless claims about the efficacy of something like SkinTE or the integrity of the doctors. I suspect almost everyone on this board struggles emotionally with their scarring and inflammatory posts like you made could put them in a really bad place.
If you think the treatment plan you mentioned in your post can help you, great! Go for it, I hope it works and gives you confidence. But try not to post things like it's "the only solution."
I get being cautious. There is a litany of examples in all fields of research where doctors mislead, overpromised and failed. Everyone on here should just look at the facts and what we can observe.
In terms of SkinTE, no one on this board knows if it will or won't work like it did on pigs for humans. No one knows if it will provided superior healing to skin-grafts, roughly the same or worse. That's why whenever I personally post I try to state things that are observablea press release says the product is out in burn centers right now, a poster claims to have contacted at least 2 clinics where they are using it, PolarityTE leased a nearly 200k sqft facility at around $1 million a year. Yes, the press release and the poster could be lying, but why? In the case of PolarityTE making a press release, a person could verify that being true or not. I could go down the list of the 126 burn centers in the country and call each one to find out definitively if it's being used anywhere. Do you honestly think PolarityTE, a publicly traded company, would just boldfaced lie on something so easy to disprove?
Again, I hope you get that treatment if you think it will help and that it does indeed help. I don't want anyone to be in pain, which is why I don't get it when people post in extremes on either side (i.e. I don't like it when people say SkinTE is the only way either). Let's all just try to be patient for the results and post actual information.
I believe this thread is about scarless healing. People need to stop coming here posting extremes. I do understand that many have scars from disease or trauma that cause distress but I don't understand what the positive outcome will be if people keep posting negative thoughts. If your scars make you feel helpless, I believe you need psychological help and probably to try out existing scar treatments for some sort of improvement.
As for SkinTE, the stock value does not matter at this point of the game. All that matters is those results after clinical results are up. Then we can truly say if this is a flop or something revolutionary. People should be patient and wait for those results. As for now, nobody can claim nothing about SkinTE. If there's nothing constructive to say, then don't come here to post it.
Furthermore, I believe full organ regeneration on humans is possible. Less complex organisms regenerate. Evolution has switched off that ability for more complex organisms like mammals and birds. I also believe we might already know how to switch this ability back on however money, ethics and politics play a role in keeping the status quo.
I believe this thread is about posting possible solutions or medical discoveries to end scarring or promote regeneration because scarring blocks off regenerative organ capabilities. People should post here about new medical discoveries that give hope for people with disfiguring scarring or scarring altogether.
I have many scars from a multitude of skin conditions like acne, folliculitis, chicken pox, hidrenitis and to some extent psoriasis and eczema. I also have scars due to trauma. My scars have not held me back but it would be nice if one day I can cure myself of all my skin diseases, erase all my scars and look like someone normal.
I have owned my skin, scars and tried to make the most of it. I believe some posters here lack confidence. Your scars do not hold you back from doing something amazing regardless what others may say or think about you.
On 1/26/2018 at 10:18 PM, ScarRight said:PolarityTE crashed 5% on the stock market. Oh no.
uh-oh. and one of the docs on the list of skin te I called his assistant told me the doc wants to talk to me about other options like laser and fat injections. He is one of the ones on the list of docs currently using skinte. He is supposed to call me should be interesting what he says about skin te. If this could regenerate skin wouldn't they use this on any type of scar. How depressing!