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Hey everybody. My opinion is this, I think someone should call up acell and ask directly whether their powder can be used for scars, or ask them to try it out on scars? Cause, there is no use endlessly discussing and digressing whether acell can be use for scars anot, or showing how acell is capable of regenerating tissue if they dont give a toot and gives us proper scar treatments with acell.
I think we should demand more informantion from them. Their website is perpetually in limbo state ever since I last saw it, at least give us some updates on what is happening? I feel like all have rights to KNOW more about this product since its already supossedly released?
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_en...ast_answer.html
Almost everything he has mentioned here in his phone call I've deduced... I just wish we had a wiki, we'd cut out this rollercoaster of panic/not panic. This discussion would not be circular.
I don't get optimistic without logic and facts; I've never been so optimistic about regeneration in my life, and believe you and me this is not optimism for the sake of optimism, this has come because of iterated deducement (I know that denatured ecm can regenerate 95%, what does that say about this ecm?) and every iteration I'm coming up with more or less the same number if you like...
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_en...ast_answer.html
Almost everything he has mentioned here in his phone call I've deduced... I just wish we had a wiki, we'd cut out this rollercoaster of panic/not panic. This discussion would not be circular.
I don't get optimistic without logic and facts; I've never been so optimistic about regeneration in my life, and believe you and me this is not optimism for the sake of optimism, this has come because of iterated deducement (I know that denatured ecm can regenerate 95%, what does that say about this ecm?) and every iteration I'm coming up with more or less the same number if you like...
Great. That they mention about removing/minimizing scars. But till more results come out, I'll still say its quite speculative. Lots of treatments claim to remove scars like fraxel. But we know they dont.
We will wait and see. I dont expect longer then end of august for proper treatments to come out.
I'm trying my best to get ahold of Mr. Manning. He won't return my calls. I just want to know if the powder can even be obtained.
Yes, it can be obtained right now by a doctor even outside the US.
How do you know this to be true?
Because a hair surgeon from Canada is currently testing it on patients.
Won Won - Read this:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_en...ast_answer.html
It was posted literally two posts before your original question. For someone who has followed this thread as long as you have, you should have checked this before asking these questions.
Bottom line, it's confirmed to being tested by a doctor in Los Angeles and Toronto.
Does anyone know who this L.A. doctor is?
Won Won - Read this:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_en...ast_answer.html
It was posted literally two posts before your original question. For someone who has followed this thread as long as you have, you should have checked this before asking these questions.
Bottom line, it's confirmed to being tested by a doctor in Los Angeles and Toronto.
Does anyone know who this L.A. doctor is?
Yeah, I read that little post on the hair loss site. Nothing about the powder. That's the only thing I'm concerned about. I can't do the procedure with the scaffolding alone. I don't want to risk grinding the scaffold into the dust either. If the actual pixie dust by ACell is not available yet, I do not see our dreams coming true I'm afraid.
I'm pretty sure you guys misunderstood my post. I was asking if the actual powdered application was available yet, not the substance.
Won Won - Read this:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_en...ast_answer.html
It was posted literally two posts before your original question. For someone who has followed this thread as long as you have, you should have checked this before asking these questions.
Bottom line, it's confirmed to being tested by a doctor in Los Angeles and Toronto.
Does anyone know who this L.A. doctor is?
so what, they took the site off?
Prevention is the same as revision. If you can prevent scarring from occurring in the first place then you will be able to remove exisiting scars from patients via scar excision (a form of scar revision) and use Acell to suppress the body's automatic scarring response process thus encouraging only 'normal' skin forming over the wound.
You can't say that prevention is the same as revision because the process are different. Yes, prevention can be used in a scar revision procedure but ..There is no way of knowing if existing scar tissue has any effect on surrounding tissue in it's capability to regenerate etc. When they say they have no data about revision, it means that they have not tried to do a revision process as you described ...it really doesn't really indicate anything on their wound healing and scar prevention projects (which is just prevention w/o a revision procedure). Saying that they have no data on a scar revision can not lead you to the conclusion that they have no data on scarless healing.
If you find evidence that Acell has strong anti-scarring properties in humans then I can't wait to know but I, myself, unfortunately can't locate any.
On the Acell site they say they are waiting on the conclusion of the study on skin wounds before posting the results. This will be our answer of yes or no or partially.
It seems like he brought up valveta through a quick google search of acne scar revision. ...
For a company on the cusp of regenerative medicine, not knowing what other research is taking place within your field is rather poor. If you're product was effective at regeneration in humans you would almost certainly not promote another company's product, just seems strange to me.
I agree, but remember that this guy was with the UNIVERSITY not the company ...and he had no letters after his name (although he is a director...) But I do admit it wasn't a really positive letter ...let's just hope they are being thin lipped.
well...i think if something like acell will fool the skin into repairing it with normal tissue instead of scar tissue..it might work....some peoples acne scars improve on theirselfs so it can be done.i think something like a co2 laser followed by some type of stem cell treatment or acell.
do you want to do something that will really help acne sufferers?instead of spending 10k on fraxel that will do not much for your scars.....if we would get organized then we would have a voice.i have seen groups like autism,glbt,naacp,aarp form and they now have a voice.second..organizing might make insurance companys look into paying for some scar treatments.mental health wasnt covered at all years ago.now it is.we could also find docs that would work for us instead of ripping us off.we would also have more new treatment avaible in a shorter time if their was a demand for it.
do you want to do something that will really help acne sufferers?instead of spending 10k on fraxel that will do not much for your scars.....if we would get organized then we would have a voice.i have seen groups like autism,glbt,naacp,aarp form and they now have a voice.second..organizing might make insurance companys look into paying for some scar treatments.mental health wasnt covered at all years ago.now it is.we could also find docs that would work for us instead of ripping us off.we would also have more new treatment avaible in a shorter time if their was a demand for it.
YES!!!! We have to organize. We have some very intelligent people here who could articulate our plight, we are not totally powerless now, thanks to associating here on the org. 
do you want to do something that will really help acne sufferers?instead of spending 10k on fraxel that will do not much for your scars.....if we would get organized then we would have a voice.i have seen groups like autism,glbt,naacp,aarp form and they now have a voice.second..organizing might make insurance companys look into paying for some scar treatments.mental health wasnt covered at all years ago.now it is.we could also find docs that would work for us instead of ripping us off.we would also have more new treatment avaible in a shorter time if their was a demand for it.
YES!!!! We have to organize. We have some very intelligent people here who could articulate our plight, we are not totally powerless now, thanks to associating here on the org.
I was thinking about this the other night, especially when someone here posted we need to find any means to get a sample of acell. But what can we do. If we got acell, how would we know how to use it? I think the only thing in our power is to keep on emailing Acell or calling them. I just don't know what we can do, guys. Damn, it's times like these that I wish I knew Chuck Norris.
We need to collectively find someway to get scar therapy treatments covered by our medical insurance companies. Right now it is considered cosmetic simply because the powers that be say so. Reconstructive surgery on someone who has been in an automobile accident or for a woman who has lost a breast to cancer is also cosmetic, but yet it is covered....Why isn't having severe scarring on one's face that is not only emotionally and mentally handicapping but also affects the way that others see you not covered as well? We come from all walks of life and all races and ethnic groups, but right now we are all just "victims". We have no power right now. I hope that in 5 years severe cystic acne scarring, at least, will be covered along with other reconstructive procedures.
Fact is, acne was your our fault to begin with. I'm sure that 99% of severe acne sufferers did not treat their bodies well while growing. Maybe we were unfortunately raised in an unhealthy family like myself. Whatever the case, this problem was and is avoidable even if heredity fights you hard on that point. My father's face is one big scar, but I'm not because I started to treat my acne internally via cleansing and diet and now I have much less scarring than him (although still fairly prevalent). If I would have been changing my routine as a child and not been drinking 2+ cans of soda a day (etc), I would not have any scarring to speak of. I do not think health insurance should cover this problem.
Those who deny that acne scarring is their fault are just plain ignorant. I know that sounds harsh, but we need to wake up and see that there is an opportunity now to fix what damage we have done to our bodies. Please do not retort in anger. I know everyone's acne problems were and are different, but even the worst of diseases that can cause acne (celiacs) is treatable via diet and can eliminate the chance of scarring. It was always avoidable, we just didn't take the steps to do so. I am in pain too guys. I just accept the mistake, find the treatment, and save up for it. If it's worth it to you enough, you will find a way to make it happen sooner than later.
Fact is, acne was your our fault to begin with. I'm sure that 99% of severe acne sufferers did not treat their bodies well while growing. Maybe we were unfortunately raised in an unhealthy family like myself. Whatever the case, this problem was and is avoidable even if heredity fights you hard on that point. My father's face is one big scar, but I'm not because I started to treat my acne internally via cleansing and diet and now I have much less scarring than him (although still fairly prevalent). If I would have been changing my routine as a child and not been drinking 2+ cans of soda a day (etc), I would not have any scarring to speak of. I do not think health insurance should cover this problem.
Those who deny that acne scarring is their fault are just plain ignorant. I know that sounds harsh, but we need to wake up and see that there is an opportunity now to fix what damage we have done to our bodies. Please do not retort in anger. I know everyone's acne problems were and are different, but even the worst of diseases that can cause acne (celiacs) is treatable via diet and can eliminate the chance of scarring. It was always avoidable, we just didn't take the steps to do so. I am in pain too guys. I just accept the mistake, find the treatment, and save up for it. If it's worth it to you enough, you will find a way to make it happen sooner than later.
My acne started when I was 10 years old and hospitalized for a severe asthma attact. I started breaking out in cysts on my forehead and nothing cleared my skin up until I went on accutane. My parents took me to several very good dermatologists and I was on antibiotics and lots of other medications and well as topical creams and gels. I did not eat a lot of sweets, and I hardly ever drank pop.
Most people who have severe cystic acne inherited it. Honestly, nothing really clears up cystic acne except for accutane, and for less severe acne, other medications and topicals. I don't know how old you are, but I think you are taking a lot of the medications and also discoveries about diet and skin peels and being able to access information and order products on-line for granted. None of these things existed in the 80's and early 90's (except for accutane).