13 hours ago, ScarRight said:

I tell you what - they're a lot of people whom are riding their hopes on this invention. I just hope it doesn't give out false hope, as a lot of people would be crushed. I simply refuse to believe it until I see it. Even if the current trials are successful, it could be several years away.

I still don't get this several years away thing. Could someone explain why so many of us on this thread like to forecast some year in the future? It's on patients now and results will be coming in over the first half of this year. This isn't a trial, it's on the market. Now, if someone were saying it might take them time to optimize it in humans to get complete regeneration, I could see that as a possibility. But there are no trials, there is no waiting to see how the first iteration of SkinTE works.

8 hours ago, RickeyDog1989 said:

The thing about people who keep harping on about 'refusing to believe' in SkinTE are the ones who keep coming back to this thread time and time again to check. It seems to me that these people are only saying such things to keep their own anticipation in check rather than that of others. Any reasonable person knows not to count their chickens before they hatch, and the few that are already getting excited over SkinTE without even knowing whether they work deserve to be disappointed if it doesn't work. So when you keep posting such pointless things, what is your motivation? Do you really have some weird altruistic objective to keep random people from being disappointed in a product you don't have financial relations to, or do you have such little self-discipline that you need to post on a public forum to keep yourself in check?

I think the phrase "misery loves company" applies in this situation for some and I totally understand that. Plus, it's just easier to protect yourself from hurt and disappointment if you never get excited about things. This obviously applies to anything in life.

I'm excited by SkinTE, because according to their data they achieved a world's first (skin regeneration in pigs) and have thus far not shied away from their belief in the product, both in words and action (i.e. the facility, putting it on actual patients). It all comes down to if it works on humans. But I think that even if they get improvement with the current product they're setting themselves up to optimize and continue the path toward complete regeneration. A five year, million dollar plus a year lease on a building is a pretty big indicator of that. Yes, they of course want to make money, but know that complete regeneration is the only path to truly become a giant in the industry.

The only observational data point that bothers me is that they never released their pre-clinical data for review. In my convo with Dr. Swanson his explanation made sense (as I've stated before), but it's not a good thing that they repeatedly said they would release all the information they had for review and then didn't. However, I sincerely doubt their entire product pipeline was built on a complete lie (regeneration in pigs), because if it was they'd have a real legal mess on their hands.

January 8th and 9th PolarityTE is meeting with their investors, right?
Investors want to see a reason to invest.
With this already being used on human patients, is there anyway we DON'T get the answers we are craving on the 8th or 9th?!

In a weeks time, we could very well know if this is yet another let down... Or if we are finally living in the future.

One more thing keeps bugging me even if SkinTE works..

Before I took accutane, acne almost never left scars. I had acne for 10 years and had like 5 scars.. Immediately after accutane I had quite a lot of scars, maybe 70..5 years after accutane I have 100 scars and any large zit will leave a scar on my face. So accutane definitely changed something about the skin.. I wonder if regenerated skin would become of pre-accutane quality lol.. And if accutane damage would even prevent full regeneration..

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26 minutes ago, eekman said:

One more thing keeps bugging me even if SkinTE works..

Before I took accutane, acne almost never left scars. I had acne for 10 years and had like 5 scars.. Immediately after accutane I had quite a lot of scars, maybe 70..5 years after accutane I have 100 scars and any large zit will leave a scar on my face. So accutane definitely changed something about the skin.. I wonder if regenerated skin would become of pre-accutane quality lol.. And if accutane damage would even prevent full regeneration..

Accutane caused my skin to develop small white raised bumps in my shoulders and upper arms due to lack of elastin in the skin.

For the rest my skin has been the same

Was/Is yours always cystic acne? Cystic acne causes scars, everybody with cystic acne has a high risk to develop a scar because the lesion is so deep the body can't heal it properly.

If, instead, you have just superficial acne (normal zits that people get), then you shouldn't develop scars unless you pick them or you get repeated breakout in the same spot. But you still get PIH

29 minutes ago, eekman said:

One more thing keeps bugging me even if SkinTE works..

Before I took accutane, acne almost never left scars. I had acne for 10 years and had like 5 scars.. Immediately after accutane I had quite a lot of scars, maybe 70..5 years after accutane I have 100 scars and any large zit will leave a scar on my face. So accutane definitely changed something about the skin.. I wonder if regenerated skin would become of pre-accutane quality lol.. And if accutane damage would even prevent full regeneration..

Well, complete regeneration is complete regeneration. If it works in humans like it did in pigs you should have your skin back except for the margin that is present in the pig tests (according to them that can't be seen by naked eye).

Now, if you're saying accutane may have compromised your skin's ability to heal in general... that could be something to think about I suppose. If it somehow changed the body's response to injury (i.e. decrease in blood flow, fewer cells that lead to regeneration etc.) I could see how that could possibly affect the outcome.

However, barring Accutane fundamentally changing the way your body heals, I don't think your results should be any different than a non-user. I would think age, general health and genetics might be more important variables to consider.

11 minutes ago, SimpleMutton said:

Accutane caused my skin to develop small white raised bumps in my shoulders and upper arms due to lack of elastin in the skin.

For the rest my skin has been the same

Was/Is yours always cystic acne? Cystic acne causes scars, everybody with cystic acne develop a scar because the lesion is so deep the body can't heal it properly.

If, instead, you have just superficial acne (normal zits that people get), then you shouldn't develop scars unless you pick them or you get repeated breakout in the same spot. But you still get PIH

I can definitely say that not every cystic pimple causes scars. I had all sorts of acne in my teens - blackheads, surface white pimples and large cysts deep under the skin that took long to surface and then I popped them with pus shooting into mirror.. Most of them didnt leave a mark from my teenage years.. I remember a few huge ones in particular, one near the bottom of the nose and one on the upper cheek, and those didnt leave a mark, healed perfectly at least on the surface. I remember the first scar that I got (at least noticeable in the mirror) was at my 20 and was from ingrown hair that was inside the cyst which I picked.. After accutane, however, even a larger blackhead will leave an icepick. Maybe its age related, but I highly doubt that:(

And yeah, I have white bumps (almost level with skin) on shoulder/arms above elbows too:/

59 minutes ago, jac3 said:

January 8th and 9th PolarityTE is meeting with their investors, right?
Investors want to see a reason to invest.
With this already being used on human patients, is there anyway we DON'T get the answers we are craving on the 8th or 9th?!

In a weeks time, we could very well know if this is yet another let down... Or if we are finally living in the future.

I could see a brief delay (as this is a pay investor event) but yes, we should hear something through them officially during this month. Especially if it works.

As for the investor convention we don't even need to get to know what they share, we can just look at the stock price.

If they share some news there should be lots of volatility in the stock.

If the price goes up some good news/results have been shared
If the price goes down probably some bad or less than expected results have been shared.

Looking forward to it

15 minutes ago, eekman said:

I can definitely say that not every cystic pimple causes scars. I had all sorts of acne in my teens - blackheads, surface white pimples and large cysts deep under the skin that took long to surface and then I popped them with pus shooting into mirror.. Most of them didnt leave a mark from my teenage years.. I remember a few huge ones in particular, one near the bottom of the nose and one on the upper cheek, and those didnt leave a mark, healed perfectly at least on the surface. I remember the first scar that I got (at least noticeable in the mirror) was at my 20 and was from ingrown hair that was inside the cyst which I picked.. After accutane, however, even a larger blackhead will leave an icepick. Maybe its age related, but I highly doubt that:(

And yeah, I have white bumps (almost level with skin) on shoulder/arms above elbows too:/

Young people tend to heal better but in my case almost all cystic lesions left (and still leave) a mark, some bigger some smaller
Normal zits rarely leave a mark on me other than pigmentation due to inflammation

But I rarely get acne right now, maybe a couple of spots per month, that's all
how old are you?

19 minutes ago, SimpleMutton said:

 

how old are you?

29 now. Had accutane at 23-24.

21 minutes ago, eekman said:

29 now. Had accutane at 23-24.

Has your acne improved?
I'm 27yo and I barely get any acne nowadays

What I do get now is mainly stress related, but it's a couple of pimples per month

35 minutes ago, SimpleMutton said:

Has your acne improved?
I'm 27yo and I barely get any acne nowadays

What I do get now is mainly stress related, but it's a couple of pimples per month

Well, accutane pretty much cleared the cystic acne. Ive got like 1 cyst per month (which left deep scars) after accutane for about a year and even that stopped also. But my pores are still filled with sebum overflow, especially the nose. This sebum eventually turns into hardened sebum lumps which gets removed by face cleanser or squeezing.. they never turn to active pimples anymore though.. I wonder if skin excision and regeneration could also fix this lol.. Would be so nice to just remove old, faulty skin and grow a better functioning one..

Also, if there is baldness gene in your family and you recently took accutane, be prepared for balding. After I finished accutane course, the hair immediately started thinning and 4 years later I am bald lol.. Accutane accelerates the process. Good thing PolarityTE plans to cure this as well:D

14 hours ago, RickeyDog1989 said:

The thing about people who keep harping on about 'refusing to believe' in SkinTE are the ones who keep coming back to this thread time and time again to check. It seems to me that these people are only saying such things to keep their own anticipation in check rather than that of others. Any reasonable person knows not to count their chickens before they hatch, and the few that are already getting excited over SkinTE without even knowing whether they work deserve to be disappointed if it doesn't work. So when you keep posting such pointless things, what is your motivation? Do you really have some weird altruistic objective to keep random people from being disappointed in a product you don't have financial relations to, or do you have such little self-discipline that you need to post on a public forum to keep yourself in check?

Dude...the guy is just posting for others not to count their chickens before they are hatched. I hope it works and the cost is affordable. Carrie Underwood might even get treated as she just messed up her face that required over 50 stitches. I have just seen too many treatments over the years that failed to do anything for me and my skin but to make me poorer. Buyer beware.....i want to see results a year after treatment to this substances long term results. By the way it is actually harder to grow skin on a pig than on a human. People here are so depressed about their scars that they get high hopes on any new treatment. It is like faith healers that pray on sick and depressed people and want to suck up their money because they are the vulnerable people. It is also like a man that wants to live forever but can't accept he is dying. If the treatment works...it will be great but you have to go on with your life. By the way we don't have to come back here to find out about the latest scar treatments but i find it is a interesting forum.

1 hour ago, nikkigirl said:

Dude...the guy is just posting for others not to count their chickens before they are hatched. I hope it works and the cost is affordable. Carrie Underwood might even get treated as she just messed up her face that required over 50 stitches. I have just seen too many treatments over the years that failed to do anything for me and my skin but to make me poorer. Buyer beware.....i want to see results a year after treatment to this substances long term results. By the way it is actually harder to grow skin on a pig than on a human. People here are so depressed about their scars that they get high hopes on any new treatment. It is like faith healers that pray on sick and depressed people and want to suck up their money because they are the vulnerable people. It is also like a man that wants to live forever but can't accept he is dying. If the treatment works...it will be great but you have to go on with your life. By the way we don't have to come back here to find out about the latest scar treatments but i find it is a interesting forum.

As far as I can tell, no one has come on here and said, "our dreams have come true, complete regeneration is here!" That's the inverse of refusing to believe. Both are potentially harmful. If you're overly optimistic then you're potentially setting yourself up for a dive if it doesn't work completely in humans. But if you just come on here to say you refuse to believe it will work nothing is being added to the conversation aside from instilling fear in people. Everyone on here should know that it comes down to the actual results in humans and if some don't then they'll have to deal with the fallout.

I've tried to be proactive and acquire information that I can share with everyone here. I'm impressed by PolarityTE's progress to the this point and the way they've bet on themselves (i.e. signing an expensive lease for a facility). That's factual information that can be reported on right now. No one on this board can report from any empirical position on whether or not the product will work so making posts for either side is pointless. We have no power to influence the outcome so it just clutters up the board.

1 hour ago, eekman said:

Well, accutane pretty much cleared the cystic acne. Ive got like 1 cyst per month (which left deep scars) after accutane for about a year and even that stopped also. But my pores are still filled with sebum overflow, especially the nose. This sebum eventually turns into hardened sebum lumps which gets removed by face cleanser or squeezing.. they never turn to active pimples anymore though.. I wonder if skin excision and regeneration could also fix this lol.. Would be so nice to just remove old, faulty skin and grow a better functioning one..

Also, if there is baldness gene in your family and you recently took accutane, be prepared for balding. After I finished accutane course, the hair immediately started thinning and 4 years later I am bald lol.. Accutane accelerates the process. Good thing PolarityTE plans to cure this as well:D

One reason as to why I didn't take Accutane. I have a full head of hair and I still do in my thirties although with slight recession which I don't mind at all. There is a bald gene in the family, so I had read how Accutane thins the hair as a teenage. For some people the hair doesn't come back. If you inherited the baldness gene then you will go balder much faster after taking Accutane.

But in all honesty, most guys are bald by thirty or forty. It is considered normal and baldness is becoming much much more prevalent nowadays than in the past. Could Accutane or other drugs cause this? Could it also be the food we eat? Most guys just give up. They shave the remaining hair and they rock a pretty good look. Just like scarring, every year they announce a cure but nothing ever happens. You would think you have plenty of bald scientists out there but they can't even cure diabetes yet. This is why we need to be cautious with those charlatans claiming to have found a way to vanish scars.

2 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:

As for the investor convention we don't even need to get to know what they share, we can just look at the stock price.

If they share some news there should be lots of volatility in the stock.

If the price goes up some good news/results have been shared
If the price goes down probably some bad or less than expected results have been shared.

Looking forward to it

Young people tend to heal better but in my case almost all cystic lesions left (and still leave) a mark, some bigger some smaller
Normal zits rarely leave a mark on me other than pigmentation due to inflammation

But I rarely get acne right now, maybe a couple of spots per month, that's all
how old are you?

Contrary to most, I got most of my scars during my teenage years. Mine was acne conglobata and it lasted until my early twenties. Look up acne conglobata on the Internet. I don't believe many of you have gone through the pain I went through. I got scarred pores from the blackheads and whiteheads on my face.The blackheads would be one atop of the other. My pores would have three blackheads in them for example and 3 hairs coming out of them. They would fill up in pus and connect under the skin. Watching chunks of skin fall from your face like a zombie was not very attractive for all those girls. I get blackheads now but they resolve fast and they leave no marks behind. As for going out with women, I am pretty sure all those girls that turned me down back then would never believe how much my skin improved on its own and my disfigurement is not noticeable.

My acne cleared eventually but those deep lesions left dents on my left cheek and right cheek as well as raised and flat white scars covering my back, shoulders and upper arms. It could have been worse scarring but I believe my skin tends to heal quite well but my acne was so severe that my skin was damaged beyond the dermis. My skin tends to heal better right now than I was younger. I even have hair growing out of some old scars. Not taking Accutane may have helped. Sometimes it's best to do nothing about the acne and let them heal naturally. It could be that I may have a genetic advantage as well where my skin just regenerates better.

I got one huge cyst on my cheek last week and yesterday it became engorged in pus. I popped it and disinfected it last night. The pus exploded all over the mirror. It didn't even scab over today and there is no visible hole or anything. My skin sealed up nicely however I have the hyperpigmentation mark which will take months to go.

I believe as long as blood does not come out of the cysts, they won't leave scars. I haven't gotten these on my face for years. So I guess there is really no cure for acne. Let's face It, accutane is not really a cure.

Many people here believe SkinTE is a miracle cure to rid them of their pitted facial marks. I would be cautious about it until we see results. They are moving fast however and seem highly optimistic about their product. Rarely do we see this.

Once again, if they can't get complete regeneration and even 50% improvement would be a step in the right direction. Lasers and fillers might get an improvement but it takes lots of cash and time. People with severe burns would at least be able to have some normal functionality back. If they are able to help burn patients, why not people with acne scarring?

5 hours ago, nikkigirl said:

Dude...the guy is just posting for others not to count their chickens before they are hatched. I hope it works and the cost is affordable. Carrie Underwood might even get treated as she just messed up her face that required over 50 stitches. I have just seen too many treatments over the years that failed to do anything for me and my skin but to make me poorer. Buyer beware.....i want to see results a year after treatment to this substances long term results. By the way it is actually harder to grow skin on a pig than on a human. People here are so depressed about their scars that they get high hopes on any new treatment. It is like faith healers that pray on sick and depressed people and want to suck up their money because they are the vulnerable people. It is also like a man that wants to live forever but can't accept he is dying. If the treatment works...it will be great but you have to go on with your life. By the way we don't have to come back here to find out about the latest scar treatments but i find it is a interesting forum.

I disagree with you. yes people are depressed but now we have a possibility of regenerative medicine becoming available. You have to also recognize an opportunity and seize it. This is not like a faith healer thing. I understand that people on here are depressed and I am too but now I see a ray of light. To me its more of a question of will the FDA try to block it more than does it work. FDA has blocked other things like skin gun. Our economy revolves around people being sick. Docs make money off of people visiting them for problems. If they cure it some docs will be out of a job
"It is also like a man that wants to live forever but can't accept he is dying. If the treatment works...it will be great but you have to go on with your life"
I don't get this analogy. If your scars are fixed you will go through the rest of your life with less hang ups and not hiding from life and missing out on opportunities because of hiding out at home. at same time you will have empathy for people struggling because you remember your own struggle

On 1/1/2018 at 4:38 PM, SimpleMutton said:

Considering they started to treat Patients with SkinTE almost 3 weeks ago (half december) and they said most of the regeneration happen in the first month (with residual regeneration in the following 2 months) we should expect some pics fairly soon.

They also need financing so if the results are good they have to show it to attract investments in the company.
I hope by the end of January we have at least a pic of skin regenerated in a man.

I have not had any luck yet will try again tomorrow. Called Dr David Smith from FLA the girl on phone was not giving me much info they don't like when people call and ask questions. She said that the assistant will be in clinic next 2 days and will get back to me then. The clinic is probably where they are using skinte if they are using it now. I called John Hopkins she said they are not using it and the doc mentioned in the press release no longer works there as he went with polarity te full time in research

11 hours ago, golfpanther said:

I still don't get this several years away thing. Could someone explain why so many of us on this thread like to forecast some year in the future? It's on patients now and results will be coming in over the first half of this year. This isn't a trial, it's on the market.

Isn't this a clinical trial? It is not available on the market. For crikey, we do not even know if it works on humans yet. This is a clinical trial on humans. Then if it does work, the company would submit to the FDA for approval, which could take several months...even more.

24 minutes ago, ScarRight said:

Isn't this a clinical trial? It is not available on the market. For crikey, we do not even know if it works on humans yet. This is a clinical trial on humans. Then if it does work, the company would submit to the FDA for approval, which could take several months...even more.

It is already approved by the FDA and they said they don't need FDA approval to proceed if clinical trials are succesful. They just need to get their patent approved.

22 minutes ago, Anonymouz1 said:

49 minutes ago, ScarRight said:

Isn't this a clinical trial? It is not available on the market. For crikey, we do not even know if it works on humans yet. This is a clinical trial on humans. Then if it does work, the company would submit to the FDA for approval, which could take several months...even more.

It is already approved by the FDA and they said they don't need FDA approval to proceed if clinical trials are succesful. They just need to get their patent approved.

Interesting. Well, it still could take a couple of years for national and international roll out, even if successful. Dermatologists and nurses will need time to do accreditation training with the new machine, so they are all qualified to conduct treatments on patients safely.Then there is the production of machines, its roll out and marketing.

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Skin TE is a product? It is a product that needs to be manafactured to market? So production time to market.

Well yeah, even if SkinTE is produced inside Polarity's labs and not at local hospitals, if it is successful, they will need more equipment to meet the market demand.

5 hours ago, ScarRight said:

Isn't this a clinical trial? It is not available on the market. For crikey, we do not even know if it works on humans yet. This is a clinical trial on humans. Then if it does work, the company would submit to the FDA for approval, which could take several months...even more.

Everyone, for the last time... SkinTE DOES NOT have to go through clinical trials. Basically, they're approved for commercial use because they followed the HCT/P regulatory pathway. They meet all the criteria for this so they can just go straight to market after being registered with the FDA. It's the big reason why they blast out that their product is autologous and homologous (for patient, from patient). That insures them this pathway, which allows them to immediately go to market. They will face post-market FDA oversight and regulation, but SkinTE is out right now. Refer to the post I made earlier in the thread of the conversation I had with Dr. Swanson of PolarityTE for more info.

They have a limited release in 15 burn centers right now and will roll out to more, if not all, of the 126 burn centers in America. Again, as a product.

Really, just go their site. It has under News/Press Releases the fact that they're registered as a product with the FDA and going to market.

2 hours ago, ScarRight said:

Skin TE is a product? It is a product that needs to be manafactured to market? So production time to market.

This is exactly why they just leased (for five years) a 200,000 sqft facility in Utah; to meet the demand for the product and continue to work on their development pipeline for other bodily structures. This was announced and posted here in the last 3 days. And there are no machines that nurses and derms/surgeons will need training on. Their only job will be to excise the skin biopsy and send it back to PolarityTE for processing. You just need to watch the presentation video on their site for the explanation of how it will work.

18 hours ago, golfpanther said:

Everyone, for the last time... SkinTE DOES NOT have to go through clinical trials. Basically, they're approved for commercial use because they followed the HCT/P regulatory pathway. They meet all the criteria for this so they can just go straight to market after being registered with the FDA. It's the big reason why they blast out that their product is autologous and homologous (for patient, from patient). That insures them this pathway, which allows them to immediately go to market. They will face post-market FDA oversight and regulation, but SkinTE is out right now. Refer to the post I made earlier in the thread of the conversation I had with Dr. Swanson of PolarityTE for more info.

They have a limited release in 15 burn centers right now and will roll out to more, if not all, of the 126 burn centers in America. Again, as a product.

Really, just go their site. It has under News/Press Releases the fact that they're registered as a product with the FDA and going to market.

This is exactly why they just leased (for five years) a 200,000 sqft facility in Utah; to meet the demand for the product and continue to work on their development pipeline for other bodily structures. This was announced and posted here in the last 3 days. And there are no machines that nurses and derms/surgeons will need training on. Their only job will be to excise the skin biopsy and send it back to PolarityTE for processing. You just need to watch the presentation video on their site for the explanation of how it will work.

I made an appointment today with a plastic surgeon in TN that staff told me is currently using skin te in surgery. She said I do not know if he will use it on you. For some reason they are always like well he might recommend something better like this laser we have. That is so depressing. I was like what could be better than regenerating your own tissue! Whatever I don'tlike it when the office staff is giving their opinion and trying to somehow place seeds of doubt and obstacles. Most of the places I called never heard of it and/or said the docs there are not using it. I just started calling the docs on the list of burn centers and this was the first one I was able to get an appt. Its kind of far for me to go without knowing what is going so I will probably keep calling to get more info on it or possibly email the doc

17 minutes ago, kim6288 said:

18 hours ago, golfpanther said:

Everyone, for the last time... SkinTE DOES NOT have to go through clinical trials. Basically, they're approved for commercial use because they followed the HCT/P regulatory pathway. They meet all the criteria for this so they can just go straight to market after being registered with the FDA. It's the big reason why they blast out that their product is autologous and homologous (for patient, from patient). That insures them this pathway, which allows them to immediately go to market. They will face post-market FDA oversight and regulation, but SkinTE is out right now. Refer to the post I made earlier in the thread of the conversation I had with Dr. Swanson of PolarityTE for more info.

They have a limited release in 15 burn centers right now and will roll out to more, if not all, of the 126 burn centers in America. Again, as a product.

Really, just go their site. It has under News/Press Releases the fact that they're registered as a product with the FDA and going to market.

This is exactly why they just leased (for five years) a 200,000 sqft facility in Utah; to meet the demand for the product and continue to work on their development pipeline for other bodily structures. This was announced and posted here in the last 3 days. And there are no machines that nurses and derms/surgeons will need training on. Their only job will be to excise the skin biopsy and send it back to PolarityTE for processing. You just need to watch the presentation video on their site for the explanation of how it will work.

I made an appointment today with a plastic surgeon in TN that staff told me is currently using skin te in surgery. She said I do not know if he will use it on you. For some reason they are always like well he might recommend something better like this laser we have. That is so depressing. I was like what could be better than regenerating your own tissue! Whatever I don'tlike it when the office staff is giving their opinion and trying to somehow place seeds of doubt and obstacles. Most of the places I called never heard of it and/or said the docs there are not using it. I just started calling the docs on the list of burn centers and this was the first one I was able to get an appt. Its kind of far for me to go without knowing what is going so I will probably keep calling to get more info on it or possibly email the doc

Okay, I just hope that laser they are recommending is not Fraxel or CO2 laser. If they seem more promising then Skin TE then that is a big worry. I think though that the Nurse on duty may not be familiar with the product and actually has very little idea and knowledge on scar revision, so I wouldn't call panic stations just yet. Maybe these hospitals already have selected their allocated clients for the human trial and are not wishing to add any more at this current stage, hence why they are not advertising it and playing dumb when asked about it.

Just remember, I am just throwing up a few possible reasons. Who knows really. I wish you all the best on your quest.