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don't know if you guys have already discussed it....anyway take a look, these look like excellent results:
What's the deal with '2020'? Do you guys like the way the number looks or what?
10 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:don't know if you guys have already discussed it....anyway take a look, these look like excellent results:
This has been discussed. It doesnt do the job for acne scars to put it that way.
4 hours ago, Frasier said:15 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:don't know if you guys have already discussed it....anyway take a look, these look like excellent results:
This has been discussed. It doesnt do the job for acne scars to put it that way.
why not? on their website they claim they want to use it for acne scars and not just burns and wounds
and if it works on wounds then automatically has to work on scars since when you excise the scar, you get a wound...and the wound get regenerated
14 hours ago, RickeyDog1989 said:What's the deal with '2020'? Do you guys like the way the number looks or what?
Agreed, 2020 is just a random year that seems to get thrown out. Again, SkinTE is on patients RIGHT NOW. If it works out of the gate like it did on pigs, then 2018 is the year, not 2019, not 2020 not ten years in the future.
There's always the chance it doesn't yield anywhere close to the same results or that they'll need to optimize it like they did what eventually worked on pigs. But tossing out random years doesn't add anything. We'll know in a matter of months, if not weeks, what the future holds for SkinTE.
8 hours ago, SimpleMutton said:why not? on their website they claim they want to use it for acne scars and not just burns and woundsand if it works on wounds then automatically has to work on scars since when you excise the scar, you get a wound...and the wound get regenerated
If only they just found a cure to acne than we wouldn't have to worry of the acne scarring, the painful cysts and emotional distress. Then again, if only nature gave us the ability to regenerate, acne would not really matter. It would vanish and people would simply grow out of it with few memories of it. We would all have flawless skin. Also, no more missing limbs and disfigurement after injuries. But nature just decided to slap a patchy fix on a wound and bingo. It gave us a brain though but we must work really hard to break free of her maneurisms. I believe not many scientists really care about scars, so not much progress is being made apart from the last few years where it has gained momentum.
I should have studied in this field. Also as an acne sufferer myself with many skin injuries and ailments, I would understand what most people with problematic scarred skin go through. Oh well.
There's many ifs but the people working hard to make regeneration a reality must be exasperated at times. They hit countless dead ends with no light in the tunnel. It seems, nature just knows best for us and makes it more complicated for humanity to progress further after an initial revolutionary discovery. Then again, many gurus claim to have found scarless wound healing. There's a lot of people out there who take advantage of others with emotional distress caused by scars.
Anyways, I would like to know how SkinTE addresses skin sensation in the regenerated skin they claim to have produced. What I would like to say is scar tissue normally has a different feel than normal tissue due to the excess collagen growth or simply not enough collagen being produced. How will the regenerated skin simply feel for the patient? Will it be sensible to cold, hot or human touch? How will all the small nerve skin cells respond? Will they simply regenerate in the regenerated skin? As we know, severely damaged nerve cells seldom regenerate in scar tissue. Hypertrophic and keloid scars however seem to have an abundance of nervous cells which try to re-assemble. That's why their so painful. Nobody has really addressed these questions for now.
25 minutes ago, Anonymouz1 said:If only they just found a cure to acne than we wouldn't have to worry of the acne scarring, the painful cysts and emotional distress. Then again, if only nature gave us the ability to regenerate, acne would not really matter. It would vanish and people would simply grow out of it with few memories of it. We would all have flawless skin. Also, no more missing limbs and disfigurement after injuries. But nature just decided to slap a patchy fix on a wound and bingo. It gave us a brain though but we must work really hard to break free of her maneurisms. I believe not many scientists really care about scars, so not much progress is being made apart from the last few years where it has gained momentum.I should have studied in this field. Also as an acne sufferer myself with many skin injuries and ailments, I would understand what most people with problematic scarred skin go through. Oh well.
There's many ifs but the people working hard to make regeneration a reality must be exasperated at times. They hit countless dead ends with no light in the tunnel. It seems, nature just knows best for us and makes it more complicated for humanity to progress further after an initial revolutionary discovery. Then again, many gurus claim to have found scarless wound healing. There's a lot of people out there who take advantage of others with emotional distress caused by scars.
Anyways, I would like to know how SkinTE addresses skin sensation in the regenerated skin they claim to have produced. What I would like to say is scar tissue normally has a different feel than normal tissue due to the excess collagen growth or simply not enough collagen being produced. How will the regenerated skin simply feel for the patient? Will it be sensible to cold, hot or human touch? How will all the small nerve skin cells respond? Will they simply regenerate in the regenerated skin? As we know, severely damaged nerve cells seldom regenerate in scar tissue. Hypertrophic and keloid scars however seem to have an abundance of nervous cells which try to re-assemble. That's why their so painful. Nobody has really addressed these questions for now.
Yes I agree acne and acne scars can cause serious emotional distress and depression (especially cystic acne).
It's tough not being able to go to the beach, swimming or enjoy time with friends because you're afraid of judgements for your body acne/scars.
And it can causes serious anxiety and self esteem problems in relationships with the other sex.
Acne is a very underrated disease, it's not just cosmetic. I read once that 20% of acne sufferers (all kind of acne) and 50% of people with cystic acne has considered suicide. That's an insanely high number that make it clear acne and scarring aren't just "small problems", they're very big problems that can ruin one's life and deserve a cure.
I'm optimistic about SkinTE and their ability to regenerate full thickness skin but even if I'll get rid of my scars nobody will give me back the years I had to deal with emotional distress caused by cystic acne and scars.
As for your last point, that's an interesting question. I do remember that in an interview they said the skin that is regenerated is fully functional full thickness skin. So if it's fully functional then it's normal skin will all the right nerves attached to it
44 minutes ago, golfpanther said:Agreed, 2020 is just a random year that seems to get thrown out. Again, SkinTE is on patients RIGHT NOW. If it works out of the gate like it did on pigs, then 2018 is the year, not 2019, not 2020 not ten years in the future.There's always the chance it doesn't yield anywhere close to the same results or that they'll need to optimize it like they did what eventually worked on pigs. But tossing out random years doesn't add anything. We'll know in a matter of months, if not weeks, what the future holds for SkinTE.
Personally I said 2020 because reading PolarityTE's interviews I keep seeing a common pattern wherein they say their focus is primarily to treat burns and indeed they plan a market release initially to burn centers and not to plastic surgeons offices.
So, even though I'm optimistic about SkinTE I'm afraid it's gonna be tough to find a surgeon that is willing to use SkinTE to treat acne scars right now and maybe we have to wait a bit.
But I hope I'm wrong and they will treat burns and acne scars at the same time
49 minutes ago, Anonymouz1 said:If only they just found a cure to acne than we wouldn't have to worry of the acne scarring, the painful cysts and emotional distress. Then again, if only nature gave us the ability to regenerate, acne would not really matter. It would vanish and people would simply grow out of it with few memories of it. We would all have flawless skin. Also, no more missing limbs and disfigurement after injuries. But nature just decided to slap a patchy fix on a wound and bingo. It gave us a brain though but we must work really hard to break free of her maneurisms. I believe not many scientists really care about scars, so not much progress is being made apart from the last few years where it has gained momentum.I should have studied in this field. Also as an acne sufferer myself with many skin injuries and ailments, I would understand what most people with problematic scarred skin go through. Oh well.
There's many ifs but the people working hard to make regeneration a reality must be exasperated at times. They hit countless dead ends with no light in the tunnel. It seems, nature just knows best for us and makes it more complicated for humanity to progress further after an initial revolutionary discovery. Then again, many gurus claim to have found scarless wound healing. There's a lot of people out there who take advantage of others with emotional distress caused by scars.
Anyways, I would like to know how SkinTE addresses skin sensation in the regenerated skin they claim to have produced. What I would like to say is scar tissue normally has a different feel than normal tissue due to the excess collagen growth or simply not enough collagen being produced. How will the regenerated skin simply feel for the patient? Will it be sensible to cold, hot or human touch? How will all the small nerve skin cells respond? Will they simply regenerate in the regenerated skin? As we know, severely damaged nerve cells seldom regenerate in scar tissue. Hypertrophic and keloid scars however seem to have an abundance of nervous cells which try to re-assemble. That's why their so painful. Nobody has really addressed these questions for now.
I get that we all suffer on here from scarring of different types so I can empathize.
In terms o sensation, it's unknown right now in humans since it's only now being tested. However, based on the pig studies, everything regenerated so I would see no reason why the sensation would be any different than that of normal skin. Complete regeneration is just that, everything comes back like normal skin.
1 hour ago, golfpanther said:I get that we all suffer on here from scarring of different types so I can empathize.In terms o sensation, it's unknown right now in humans since it's only now being tested. However, based on the pig studies, everything regenerated so I would see no reason why the sensation would be any different than that of normal skin. Complete regeneration is just that, everything comes back like normal skin.
So if SkinTE works, I presume cosmetic surgery will only become more appealing. Imagine scarless breast augmentation surgery, scarless facelifts and scarless tummy tucks. There are some who claim they do scarless procedures but the scars are simply not visible.
For transgender people, I assume this would be a revelation. No more scars from all those surgeries.
The future looks bright.
Been following this thread for the past few years, this is my first time posting (I'm sure there are many others lurkers like me as well).
Really exciting times we live in. I just wanted to say one of the amazing things about the internet is that it can be used to bring people together to create change.
I would imagine that a reason why it might be a few years before Skin TE is officially released for acne scars (this is just speculation, maybe in a few months it'll be announced that it can be used for all types of scarring) is because there is comparatively much larger demand and sense of urgency for burn scars, which obviously means that the guys over at polarity will focus on treating burns first.
I think what we have to do is create this demand for acne scars as well, maybe through emails or some sort of petition.
As soon as we see that Skin TE works for burn scars, we should be emailing dermatologists and plastic surgeons around the country to help spread the word. The faster they learn about this technology and the more emails they get requesting that it be used to fix acne scarring, the faster that Skin TE will be implemented as a treatment option.
Most derms/plastic surgeons don't keep up with the latest news, they just kind of do what they've always been doing - maybe a z-plasty here, a rhinoplasty there, and some laser every now and then - at least this is the impression that I got from meeting with many derms/plastic surgeons over the past few years. It seems that they generally get new information by word of mouth or conferences that they attend however many times a year they're held. I think this is the reason why it's really important that we not only spread the information as soon as possible, but also as I was saying before, create a sense of urgency/demand that many people want the treatment for acne scarring.
Interesting point you raise LifeIsCrazy. However, if this thing is a success, surely a publicly listed stock company would then be working as hard they could to churn these products out, where some scar revision dermatologist will be looking to place an order. That is of course unless the FDA only approve it for burn victims and not acne scarring. Very interesting times indeed.
19 minutes ago, ScarRight said:Interesting point you raise LifeIsCrazy. However, if this thing is a success, surely a publicly listed stock company would then be working as hard they could to churn these products out, where some scar revision dermatologist will be looking to place an order. That is of course unless the FDA only approve it for burn victims and not acne scarring. Very interesting times indeed.
In terms of SkinTE's approval path, one of the reasons they chose to go with the HCT/P 361 process is because it's not limited in terms of its applications. In an interview, Lough (the founder) goes into that and how another competing product went the full clinical trial path and was only approved for use in burns. They wanted to avoid this so they went to this route to get it on the market as quickly as possible and to be able use it on everything.
The glass half-empty person could see that as a red flag, but really it all comes down to if it works. Even if it doesn't acheive perfect regeneration in humans right away, I think if they get mostly there they'll be committed to optimizing it just like they did in pigs.
On 12/28/2017 at 10:37 AM, SimpleMutton said:Holy fuck, I found the page of that plastic surgeon in Florida that is doing SkinTE: David J Smith (he's also on PolarityTE board of advisors
http://health.usf.edu/doctors/plastic_surgery/providers/16175/Smith
In his list of procedures it's also listed scar revision and not only burn surgery. Check it out.
holy shit! haha I'm calling there on Tuesday also! wow thanks simplemutton
On 12/28/2017 at 0:51 PM, SimpleMutton said:In the invoice letter in the investor's presentation is mentioned his name and the address of Tampa, Florida and that is the only burn center hospital in the city of Tampa and that surgeon works there too so I'm pretty sure that is one of the hospital that is currently using SkinTEI haven't contacted him, but I looked at his reviews and they describe him as a "know it all jerk" and condescending so I don't know how willing he's to reply to our answers.
The PolarityTE staff seems way more helpfulThe surgeons in the board of advisors are likely to have SkinTE in their burn centers, maybe we should contact them in the future or find the one with the best reviews.
For obvious reasons I'm also quite sure SkinTE is also being used at University of Utah Health Care - Intermountain Burn Center since it's located in Salt Lake City where the headquarters of SkinTE is.
And of course at the John Hopkins Hospital in Baltimora.As for the rest of the hospital, who knows....
Anyway I'm pretty sure that, as of now, they only use it for burn and serious surgical scars...they won't treat us
I called the burn center in Salt Lake City Utah and they had not heard of it the people that answered the phone. I tried to press them but got nowhere so I let it go because now focusing on John Hopkins or perhaps Tampa
On 12/28/2017 at 7:25 PM, golfpanther said:So, in looking at the investor presentation on PolarityTE's site, you can see the university's where the clinical board of advisors work. These insitutions are a good bet to be the ones receiving SkinTE first (their limited release is 15 centers).
1. Georgetown University - Maurice Nahabedian2. MedStar Union Memorial Hospital - Ryan Katz and Jeffrey Shupp
3. Rainbow Children's Hospital - Anand Kumar
4. Children's Hospital of New Orleans - Gerhard Mudinger
5. Rutgers New Jersey Medical School - Mark Granick
6. University of Tennessee - William Hickerson
7. University of South Florida - Martin C. Robson and David J. Smith Jr.
8. St. Luke's University Hospital - Wayne Saunders
9. Johns Hopkins University - Shannath Merbs, Trinity Blvalacqua, Stephen Milner and Anthony Tufaro
10. University of Maryland and R Adams Cowley Shock Trauma Center - Michael Grant
11. Massachusetts General Hospital - Michael Callahan
12. New York University - Rachel Bluebond-Langner
13. Harvard Medical School - Richard Swanson and Michael Callahan
14. Southern Illinois University - Michael w. NeumeisterThat's fourteen and it's a good bet that the fifteenth one is Utah University because of Polarity's close connection to them. So there you all go. If anyone wants to take up the challenge and find out where SkinTE is, those are the names to start with.
On 12/28/2017 at 8:42 PM, JohnRottenSkin said:acneorg scar subforum = where obsession exists.
On 12/28/2017 at 7:25 PM, golfpanther said:So, in looking at the investor presentation on PolarityTE's site, you can see the university's where the clinical board of advisors work. These insitutions are a good bet to be the ones receiving SkinTE first (their limited release is 15 centers).
1. Georgetown University - Maurice Nahabedian2. MedStar Union Memorial Hospital - Ryan Katz and Jeffrey Shupp
3. Rainbow Children's Hospital - Anand Kumar
4. Children's Hospital of New Orleans - Gerhard Mudinger
5. Rutgers New Jersey Medical School - Mark Granick
6. University of Tennessee - William Hickerson
7. University of South Florida - Martin C. Robson and David J. Smith Jr.
8. St. Luke's University Hospital - Wayne Saunders
9. Johns Hopkins University - Shannath Merbs, Trinity Blvalacqua, Stephen Milner and Anthony Tufaro
10. University of Maryland and R Adams Cowley Shock Trauma Center - Michael Grant
11. Massachusetts General Hospital - Michael Callahan
12. New York University - Rachel Bluebond-Langner
13. Harvard Medical School - Richard Swanson and Michael Callahan
14. Southern Illinois University - Michael w. NeumeisterThat's fourteen and it's a good bet that the fifteenth one is Utah University because of Polarity's close connection to them. So there you all go. If anyone wants to take up the challenge and find out where SkinTE is, those are the names to start with.
great I will try all of them!
19 minutes ago, kim6288 said:holy shit! haha I'm calling there on Tuesday also! wow thanks simplemutton I called the burn center in Salt Lake City Utah and they had not heard of it the people that answered the phone. I tried to press them but got nowhere so I let it go because now focusing on John Hopkins or perhaps Tampa great I will try all of them!
Good luck! Let us know if you find anything out. Strange about Utah, but it's possible that they're only being used as a manufacturing center (per Polarity's website) and not as a buyer/user of the product.
Edit: Now that I think about it, PolarityTE might not have it at Utah for fear that could drum up conflict of interest complaints. I.E. if Utah is being paid to manufacture the product how unbiased would they be able to come across when reporting results.
On 12/26/2017 at 4:08 PM, golfpanther said:Nice! Let us know what you find out.
yes they were closed last week. Will try on Tuesday. I googled burn center and reached the plastic surgery office and Dr. Milner practices there I think he was mentioned in the press release
6 minutes ago, golfpanther said:Good luck! Let us know if you find anything out. Strange about Utah, but it's possible that they're only being used as a manufacturing center (per Polarity's website) and not as a buyer/user of the product.Edit: Now that I think about it, PolarityTE might not have it at Utah for fear that could drum up conflict of interest complaints. I.E. if Utah is being paid to manufacture the product how unbiased would they be able to come across when reporting results.
thanks I will let you know! The girl that answered was like a medical assistant. She said they use other products but not that one. I gave up once I heard about John Hopkins and started focusing on that
2 hours ago, lifescrazy said:Been following this thread for the past few years, this is my first time posting (I'm sure there are many others lurkers like me as well).
Really exciting times we live in. I just wanted to say one of the amazing things about the internet is that it can be used to bring people together to create change.
I would imagine that a reason why it might be a few years before Skin TE is officially released for acne scars (this is just speculation, maybe in a few months it'll be announced that it can be used for all types of scarring) is because there is comparatively much larger demand and sense of urgency for burn scars, which obviously means that the guys over at polarity will focus on treating burns first.
I think what we have to do is create this demand for acne scars as well, maybe through emails or some sort of petition.
As soon as we see that Skin TE works for burn scars, we should be emailing dermatologists and plastic surgeons around the country to help spread the word. The faster they learn about this technology and the more emails they get requesting that it be used to fix acne scarring, the faster that Skin TE will be implemented as a treatment option.
Most derms/plastic surgeons don't keep up with the latest news, they just kind of do what they've always been doing - maybe a z-plasty here, a rhinoplasty there, and some laser every now and then - at least this is the impression that I got from meeting with many derms/plastic surgeons over the past few years. It seems that they generally get new information by word of mouth or conferences that they attend however many times a year they're held. I think this is the reason why it's really important that we not only spread the information as soon as possible, but also as I was saying before, create a sense of urgency/demand that many people want the treatment for acne scarring.
All very true. Docs are tired and busy and they are not going home after work and researching this stuff. They only do it if they find out the other guys are doing it and they can easily make bank with low risk! I think they are mostly about making money
On 12/29/2017 at 2:44 PM, nikkigirl said:I am waiting for a couple a years to i see long term results before i dump money into another treatment.....i already wasted about 30k on shit that didn't work. There are videos on you tube about it. The big thing is if it works and it is permanent.
I think its a whole different ball game now than it was a few years ago. Lasers and needling etc was never going to be the answer without regenerative support. The stem cell world is exploding and i feel like I keep seeing things about cures for scars. However many never make it past fda it seems like skinte knows how to get it on the market. We shall see. Everything else in the world has changed why not this? I think its the time now its a different world out there in so many ways.
On 12/21/2017 at 11:59 PM, Anish004 said:bro ..if you have scars from car accident on your face than they are really bad..but if is on another body part then its not a matter...face scars are always main priority to everyone
sry for my bad eng
22 minutes ago, Anish004 said:when did polarityTe come up with human results
They didn't come up with human results as of yet. A lot of people make it sound here as if their product is bulletproof. That is yet to be seen although we do know that Polarity claims they regenerated skin in pigs and they are trying out their product in some hospitals in the US as we speak. We will know in a few weeks if it works or not for humans. Some people contacted the places where Polarity is being tested out but it seems the people working in those facilities have no idea about Polarity.
I still have not heard anybody from Polarity say if it will work on acne scars. I posted twice on their facebook page and e-mailed them on their site. It has been mostly used on skin grafts and burn victims. A nurse posted that she loved the results on burn patients though.
