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2 hours ago, Tano1 said:Wow... We're talking about the potential near future for scarless healing and you reference me to present time scarring? You're not even on the same topic. Nobody here is talking about present time injury because it's irrelevant to the thread's subject, cause, and is considered off topic. People who discover new things and help the world progress and advance don't settle for conformity.I don't understand what you're doing here if you think dermal damage is permanent. That means you obviously don't believe in this tech. It looks Iike you're just here to argue for reasons unknown.
So what do you believe can potentially branch out to scarless healing since this is what this thread is about? If the answer is nothing and dermal damage will always be permanent to you, then you're on the wrong thread my friend. There is always the belief that it's impossible, but that'd have to be for another thread that shares your beliefs.
The forum has a terrible set up and you are in general an ignorant person with your goofy comments. Someone asked if the dermis would have to be removed to regenerate skin. My response must have been combined, but yes, you have to remove the dermis. It's apparent you don't know how the scarring process works if you can't understand this basic FACT. Quit being such an emotional person. My second response was simply relating another FACT, which is that they always remove dead tissue with burns. They don't just leave a burn victim and say, whelp hope he heals. They remove necrotic tissue, it's standard fair for burns doctors.
12 hours ago, rudy1986 said:You forget? Scarring occurs when dermal appendages are compromisedwhen we have acne scars, the dermal appendages are destroyed.
of course they inevitably have to excise full thickness skin, which is the same method for 3rd degree burn
The dermis is rather deep though isn't it? You probably wouldn't have to remove ALL of the dermis if your scarring isn't that deep? At least I would hope so. Also, I have sunburn "scarring" or redness, I'm not sure which, but regardless, my skin is damaged. And I don't believe that the dermis was affected by my sunburns but maybe they were. My point is, I don't see why anyone would remove as much skin as a third degree burn if the scarring or damaged skin obviously isn't as deep.
4 hours ago, 34erer34 said:7 hours ago, Tano1 said:Wow... We're talking about the potential near future for scarless healing and you reference me to present time scarring? You're not even on the same topic. Nobody here is talking about present time injury because it's irrelevant to the thread's subject, cause, and is considered off topic. People who discover new things and help the world progress and advance don't settle for conformity.I don't understand what you're doing here if you think dermal damage is permanent. That means you obviously don't believe in this tech. It looks Iike you're just here to argue for reasons unknown.
So what do you believe can potentially branch out to scarless healing since this is what this thread is about? If the answer is nothing and dermal damage will always be permanent to you, then you're on the wrong thread my friend. There is always the belief that it's impossible, but that'd have to be for another thread that shares your beliefs.
The forum has a terrible set up and you are in general an ignorant person with your goofy comments. Someone asked if the dermis would have to be removed to regenerate skin. My response must have been combined, but yes, you have to remove the dermis. It's apparent you don't know how the scarring process works if you can't understand this basic FACT. Quit being such an emotional person. My second response was simply relating another FACT, which is that they always remove dead tissue with burns. They don't just leave a burn victim and say, whelp hope he heals. They remove necrotic tissue, it's standard fair for burns doctors.
Well guess what, the forum will not be changed just because you want to bitch about it. If you want create a thread about it and see how many people bother caring.
Once again you state present time facts and make a claim about an unregeneratable dermis. That is true in the present time, but we're talking about PolarityTE and that's what they're trying to change. The question was in reference to this specific company and their tech.
You call me ignorant and yet you're the one making claims without researching or citing sources. I list only possibilities based on information and knowledge given to us. I'm going to cite you just this once and from now on you can just ramble as much as you want, but if you correct me either cite your sources or waste your time and get ignored.
http://www.polarityte.com/products/skinte
Go ahead and read under the third set of pictures. I wonder why they want to expand into cosmetic/scar revision. "Propagates into old scar tissues and regenerates full thickness skin."
Elastagen is doing a clinical trial on acne scar using tropoelastin as a filler. For those in the UK please check it out
19 hours ago, CollegeKidd said:On 9/23/2017 at 5:45 AM, rudy1986 said:You forget? Scarring occurs when dermal appendages are compromisedwhen we have acne scars, the dermal appendages are destroyed.
of course they inevitably have to excise full thickness skin, which is the same method for 3rd degree burn
The dermis is rather deep though isn't it? You probably wouldn't have to remove ALL of the dermis if your scarring isn't that deep? At least I would hope so. Also, I have sunburn "scarring" or redness, I'm not sure which, but regardless, my skin is damaged. And I don't believe that the dermis was affected by my sunburns but maybe they were. My point is, I don't see why anyone would remove as much skin as a third degree burn if the scarring or damaged skin obviously isn't as deep.
A sunburn is quite a bit different because it's caused by too much UVB exposure. If SkinTEis ever used on severely sun damaged skin then you will still have to remove the entire thickness of the skin. Let me make this as clear as possible. First-degree burn-means that only the epidermis has been damaged, the epidermis can regenerate, so no scarring will occur. Second-degree burns- means the dermis has been partially damaged, some scarring will definitely occur, the first layer of skin has been compromised, avita recell has been shown to be able to regenerate scarless skin in partial thickness burns aka 2nd degree, third-degree burns- all layers of skin have been compromised, usually a full thickness skin graft is needed. Now, why is skinte, potentially, such a breakthrough? Because, until now, there has been no product that has been able to regenerate full thickness skin with appendages, this would mean that sufferers of third-degree wounds would be able to regenerate full thickness skin from burns. In the case of a scar, the dermis was compromised, otherwise, your epidermis would be able to regenerate skin on its own. I hope that helps.
19 hours ago, Tano1 said:Well guess what, the forum will not be changed just because you want to bitch about it. If you want create a thread about it and see how many people bother caring.Once again you state present time facts and make a claim about an unregeneratable dermis. That is true in the present time, but we're talking about PolarityTE and that's what they're trying to change. The question was in reference to this specific company and their tech.
You call me ignorant and yet you're the one making claims without researching or citing sources. I list only possibilities based on information and knowledge given to us. I'm going to cite you just this once and from now on you can just ramble as much as you want, but if you correct me either cite your sources or waste your time and get ignored.
http://www.polarityte.com/products/skinte
Go ahead and read under the third set of pictures. I wonder why they want to expand into cosmetic/scar revision. "Propagates into old scar tissues and regenerates full thickness skin."
I'm assuming you are foreign so I will cut you some slack, but do yourself a favor and just quit responding to my posts. You have no idea what or who I am talking to and you're just irritating in general.
3 hours ago, 34erer34 said:A sunburn is quite a bit different because it's caused by too much UVB exposure. If SkinTEis ever used on severely sun damaged skin then you will still have to remove the entire thickness of the skin. Let me make this as clear as possible. First-degree burn-means that only the epidermis has been damaged, the epidermis can regenerate, so no scarring will occur. Second-degree burns- means the dermis has been partially damaged, some scarring will definitely occur, the first layer of skin has been compromised, avita recell has been shown to be able to regenerate scarless skin in partial thickness burns aka 2nd degree, third-degree burns- all layers of skin have been compromised, usually a full thickness skin graft is needed. Now, why is skinte, potentially, such a breakthrough? Because, until now, there has been no product that has been able to regenerate full thickness skin with appendages, this would mean that sufferers of third-degree wounds would be able to regenerate full thickness skin from burns. In the case of a scar, the dermis was compromised, otherwise, your epidermis would be able to regenerate skin on its own. I hope that helps. I'm assuming you are foreign so I will cut you some slack, but do yourself a favor and just quit responding to my posts. You have no idea what or who I am talking to and you're just irritating in general.
Stop talk like that. Tano1 is polite and very informative. 2 things you arent well-known for.
34 minutes ago, Frasier said:4 hours ago, 34erer34 said:A sunburn is quite a bit different because it's caused by too much UVB exposure. If SkinTEis ever used on severely sun damaged skin then you will still have to remove the entire thickness of the skin. Let me make this as clear as possible. First-degree burn-means that only the epidermis has been damaged, the epidermis can regenerate, so no scarring will occur. Second-degree burns- means the dermis has been partially damaged, some scarring will definitely occur, the first layer of skin has been compromised, avita recell has been shown to be able to regenerate scarless skin in partial thickness burns aka 2nd degree, third-degree burns- all layers of skin have been compromised, usually a full thickness skin graft is needed. Now, why is skinte, potentially, such a breakthrough? Because, until now, there has been no product that has been able to regenerate full thickness skin with appendages, this would mean that sufferers of third-degree wounds would be able to regenerate full thickness skin from burns. In the case of a scar, the dermis was compromised, otherwise, your epidermis would be able to regenerate skin on its own. I hope that helps. I'm assuming you are foreign so I will cut you some slack, but do yourself a favor and just quit responding to my posts. You have no idea what or who I am talking to and you're just irritating in general.Stop talk like that. Tano1 is polite and very informative. 2 things you arent well-known for.
Literally, nothing the guy has said is informative or helpful.
10 hours ago, 34erer34 said:A sunburn is quite a bit different because it's caused by too much UVB exposure. If SkinTEis ever used on severely sun damaged skin then you will still have to remove the entire thickness of the skin. Let me make this as clear as possible. First-degree burn-means that only the epidermis has been damaged, the epidermis can regenerate, so no scarring will occur. Second-degree burns- means the dermis has been partially damaged, some scarring will definitely occur, the first layer of skin has been compromised, avita recell has been shown to be able to regenerate scarless skin in partial thickness burns aka 2nd degree, third-degree burns- all layers of skin have been compromised, usually a full thickness skin graft is needed. Now, why is skinte, potentially, such a breakthrough? Because, until now, there has been no product that has been able to regenerate full thickness skin with appendages, this would mean that sufferers of third-degree wounds would be able to regenerate full thickness skin from burns. In the case of a scar, the dermis was compromised, otherwise, your epidermis would be able to regenerate skin on its own. I hope that helps.
Thank you for the response. See it's hard for me to tell if my sunburns were first degree or second degree. Is it possible to get second degree burns from a bad sunburn? My skin was extremely red (I'm very pale), then hardened so much I could barely move my face, the skin under my right eye was very swollen, I had the worst dryness I've ever experienced, and then my skin totally shed its top layer and peeled away after about 5 days. No bleeding or puss of any sort occurred though. So it's hard for me to tell just how deep into my skin the damage was. If the damage did reach the dermis, I would imagine it wasn't THAT deep into my dermis? So total excision of all of the dermis probably wouldn't be necessary? It's just complicated because the sunburn covered so much of my face. The best case scenario is that I'm able to laser off the top layer (or layers?) of my face where the sunburn happened, and then have it regenerate without damage. Like I said, it's just hard to know how deep into my skin the damage occurred. I wish there was some way to calculate how deep every scar/damage was into your skin.
10 hours ago, 34erer34 said:I'm assuming you are foreign so I will cut you some slack, but do yourself a favor and just quit responding to my posts. You have no idea what or who I am talking to and you're just irritating in general.
First of all, I'm American so don't say such retarded things. Foreigners are not inferior to us so I'd pick a better choice of words rather than "I will cut you some slack" to try and depict yourself as some sort of superior being. We're all foreigners to someone.
Second, YOU replied to my post to start everything so if you can't handle speaking with professionalism then you should think twice before ever engaging in any arguments with me.
The reason I'm irritating to you is because I've been showing credible evidence to my arguments where as all you do is just spit out some words and expect everyone to take your word for it. You were clearly talking to me because you were the one who replied to me first when I never would've bothered with you or your misinformative claims.
You can't even provide a counter argument for the evidence I provided you about SkinTE propagating into old scar tissue for full thickness regeneration. Don't just try to avoid the topic now, go ahead and try to argue that. I know you can't and that's why your last response wasn't even a counter argument, but instead just a desperate attempt to end the conversation without making yourself seem like you're inferior in intellect. It's not that you're not an intelligent person;it's that you're misinformed. I admit when I'm wrong so why is it so hard for you? Can you just stop complaining about something for once and either give me a valid counter argument or just shut up?
I am still waiting for scarless healing? God forbid we might need something if we get into a nuclear war. Maybe the military is still working on something. I have been waiting since i was 20 for something and spent 1000's of dollars on failed treatments. They all promise the world but fail to deliver.I am 57 now so i have kinda givin' up as my best days are behind me. I hope they do find something that if it doesn't remove the scarring at least it makes the skin smoother like fillers but i kinda just gave up on it. Stem Cells were all the rage....now you never hear much about them. Cancer has still no cure....ask John McCain......docs and research scientist just want our money and never seem to ever deliver anything.
Guys lets not close this thread and oh to you other guys I promise to only be helpful from now on. Don't start a private thread. Come back here. The future is bright we'll work together to spread the news as fast or as slow as it comes! Let's do this!
Guys this stuff will be out in 2018 and bone products soon as well. The future is bright! We can do this let's be positive. And there may be other companies competing. This is gonna be awesome!
24 minutes ago, Rez77 said:Guys lets not close this thread and oh to you other guys I promise to only be helpful from now on. Don't start a private thread. Come back here. The future is bright we'll work together to spread the news as fast or as slow as it comes! Let's do this!
Guys this stuff will be out in 2018 and bone products soon as well. The future is bright! We can do this let's be positive. And there may be other companies competing. This is gonna be awesome!
Someone made a good point about the margin, the picture is under a microscope and the hair is even thicker. Even if there is a margin it will be basically invisible to the naked eye, I don't even care about it anymore.
