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look the mention "no scarring" among the advantages, it is clearly written on their site.
I think that it is an error of interpretation of the journalist, Because the majority of articles speak about scarless Healing.
scarless and scar free Have the same meaning in wounds. Then in the image underneath, he is written no scarring = 0 % scars
1 hour ago, slave of jesus said:look the mention "no scarring" among the advantages, it is clearly written on their site.
I think that it is an error of interpretation of the journalist, Because the majority of articles speak about scarless Healing.
scarless and scar free Have the same meaning in wounds. Then in the image underneath, he is written no scarring = 0 % scars
no, there is a difference, look it up on pubmed, they might as well be the same, but there is a small diference
2 hours ago, 34erer34 said:You're a bit off, 10 days isn't enough for any scar to fully heal, there is a remodeling phase that continues for months.There is a difference between scar free and scarless healing. Think of scarless as extremely close to being like the original tissue, scar free means 100 percent without fail regeneration. Also, you need to consider that their skin constructs have an in tact dermis. This allows for regeneration over the long term. The margin would likely fade over time at 10 days there are still a ton of blood vessels helping the scar heal. Think of any red scar that fades over time.
The margin in the image looks extremely close to the original tissue only clearly pitted so what point were you trying to make? If scarless healing is just as you said "close to being like the original tissue" then you basically just supported the possibility I stated that the margin could be an end result.
I also said nothing about 10 days so I'm not sure where you got that from? Their method takes 3 months for full regeneration, but if you go back to the image with the margin it doesn't show anything about that being the 10th day result. All it shows is that you get "Scarless Healing" which as you stated would be close but not quite the original tissue. You only see they marked the 10 day progress in an image after those pictures. We know nothing yet and sadly it's just a real possibility. We can't exclude something we don't like. I wouldn't like a margin leftover either, but even if it is, perhaps it's invisible to the naked eye. Now that, would be an improvement.
Pitting (the margin being pitted) doesn't fade over time; otherwise you wouldn't have people with pitted scars in this forum. It can be vastly improved though through laser resurfacing and other methods. I've seen people with pits get them almost completely removed with laser. Un-noticeable tiny leftover pits is what they achieved. Also nobody has considered that even if that margin was the end result, that a repeat injection of SkinTE could work and using the simple penetration of the syringe as a wound factor since the margin is clearly small. Repeat injections are used with thousands of products and SkinTE could possibly do the same.
Even if it was 100% full regeneration they won't claim it is. Too many differing candidates and factors. Some people are more prone to scarring just as some people have more sensitive skin than others. It's easy to claim full regeneration for swine because a pig can't sue them. This is just basic business strategy. I'm not saying this to be a pessimist because I'm not and I think SkinTE will be able to eradicate 99% or maybe even 100% scar tissue, but all of the possibilities have to be laid out. We can only give possibilities with the current information, not make statements or claim this is 100%.
2 hours ago, slave of jesus said:look the mention "no scarring" among the advantages, it is clearly written on their site.
I think that it is an error of interpretation of the journalist, Because the majority of articles speak about scarless Healing.
scarless and scar free Have the same meaning in wounds. Then in the image underneath, he is written no scarring = 0 % scars
The margin needs to be explained to us first if anyone ever gets a reply from them. Those are great claims but we don't know. Human trials will give us a clear answer.
6 hours ago, Tano1 said:The margin in the image looks extremely close to the original tissue only clearly pitted so what point were you trying to make? If scarless healing is just as you said "close to being like the original tissue" then you basically just supported the possibility I stated that the margin could be an end result.I also said nothing about 10 days so I'm not sure where you got that from? Their method takes 3 months for full regeneration, but if you go back to the image with the margin it doesn't show anything about that being the 10th day result. All it shows is that you get "Scarless Healing" which as you stated would be close but not quite the original tissue. You only see they marked the 10 day progress in an image after those pictures. We know nothing yet and sadly it's just a real possibility. We can't exclude something we don't like. I wouldn't like a margin leftover either, but even if it is, perhaps it's invisible to the naked eye. Now that, would be an improvement.
Pitting (the margin being pitted) doesn't fade over time; otherwise you wouldn't have people with pitted scars in this forum. It can be vastly improved though through laser resurfacing and other methods. I've seen people with pits get them almost completely removed with laser. Un-noticeable tiny leftover pits is what they achieved. Also nobody has considered that even if that margin was the end result, that a repeat injection of SkinTE could work and using the simple penetration of the syringe as a wound factor since the margin is clearly small. Repeat injections are used with thousands of products and SkinTE could possibly do the same.
Even if it was 100% full regeneration they won't claim it is. Too many differing candidates and factors. Some people are more prone to scarring just as some people have more sensitive skin than others. It's easy to claim full regeneration for swine because a pig can't sue them. This is just basic business strategy. I'm not saying this to be a pessimist because I'm not and I think SkinTE will be able to eradicate 99% or maybe even 100% scar tissue, but all of the possibilities have to be laid out. We can only give possibilities with the current information, not make statements or claim this is 100%. The margin needs to be explained to us first if anyone ever gets a reply from them. Those are great claims but we don't know. Human trials will give us a clear answer.
No, the skin will have in tact appendages, pitting would not be an issue. What you acne scar folks should be more concerned with is how they would go about treating you. Like I said, literally slicing off your face is way risky.
4 hours ago, 34erer34 said:No, the skin will have in tact appendages, pitting would not be an issue. What you acne scar folks should be more concerned with is how they would go about treating you. Like I said, literally slicing off your face is way risky.
This will happen gradually, I think. 2,5 cm patches (1 inch).
The margin isn't deep. If you take a closer look you will see similar lines on the both sides (native skin and skinTE).
5 hours ago, 34erer34 said:11 hours ago, Tano1 said:The margin in the image looks extremely close to the original tissue only clearly pitted so what point were you trying to make? If scarless healing is just as you said "close to being like the original tissue" then you basically just supported the possibility I stated that the margin could be an end result.I also said nothing about 10 days so I'm not sure where you got that from? Their method takes 3 months for full regeneration, but if you go back to the image with the margin it doesn't show anything about that being the 10th day result. All it shows is that you get "Scarless Healing" which as you stated would be close but not quite the original tissue. You only see they marked the 10 day progress in an image after those pictures. We know nothing yet and sadly it's just a real possibility. We can't exclude something we don't like. I wouldn't like a margin leftover either, but even if it is, perhaps it's invisible to the naked eye. Now that, would be an improvement.
Pitting (the margin being pitted) doesn't fade over time; otherwise you wouldn't have people with pitted scars in this forum. It can be vastly improved though through laser resurfacing and other methods. I've seen people with pits get them almost completely removed with laser. Un-noticeable tiny leftover pits is what they achieved. Also nobody has considered that even if that margin was the end result, that a repeat injection of SkinTE could work and using the simple penetration of the syringe as a wound factor since the margin is clearly small. Repeat injections are used with thousands of products and SkinTE could possibly do the same.
Even if it was 100% full regeneration they won't claim it is. Too many differing candidates and factors. Some people are more prone to scarring just as some people have more sensitive skin than others. It's easy to claim full regeneration for swine because a pig can't sue them. This is just basic business strategy. I'm not saying this to be a pessimist because I'm not and I think SkinTE will be able to eradicate 99% or maybe even 100% scar tissue, but all of the possibilities have to be laid out. We can only give possibilities with the current information, not make statements or claim this is 100%. The margin needs to be explained to us first if anyone ever gets a reply from them. Those are great claims but we don't know. Human trials will give us a clear answer.
No, the skin will have in tact appendages, pitting would not be an issue. What you acne scar folks should be more concerned with is how they would go about treating you. Like I said, literally slicing off your face is way risky.
I'm having so muchtrouble figuring out what point you're trying to make to me lol. First you told me scarless healing is not completely scar free, but now you say pitting is not an issue which means that itwill end up as fully regenerated skin. So I guess it just sounds contradicting. The simple question to ask you is why is the margin there? Do you know? Because I don't and I can only think of about 3 possibilities why. It's clearly there because they themselves labeled it, but why? If that was the 10th day post op image, why didn't they put Day 10 on there like they did for the other image? Nobody but them knows for now.
Sunny and I discussed a whole page on how they could treat people simply using current methods. I would only be concerned with it actually working. If it's safe and bearable pain then do what you gotta do.
9 hours ago, Tano1 said:I'm having so muchtrouble figuring out what point you're trying to make to me lol. First you told me scarless healing is not completely scar free, but now you say pitting is not an issue which means that itwill end up as fully regenerated skin. So I guess it just sounds contradicting. The simple question to ask you is why is the margin there? Do you know? Because I don't and I can only think of about 3 possibilities why. It's clearly there because they themselves labeled it, but why? If that was the 10th day post op image, why didn't they put Day 10 on there like they did for the other image? Nobody but them knows for now.Sunny and I discussed a whole page on how they could treat people simply using current methods. I would only be concerned with it actually working. If it's safe and bearable pain then do what you gotta do.
If there is a margin why it is invisible on the photo of the pig which regenere in 10 days? I see 2 possibilities: the margin is invisible orthe margin is here for show the difference between the old skin and the new skin, So see the progress of skinte on tissues scar. How a skin completely regenerate can have defects? Only polarity can answerat these questions
1 hour ago, slave of jesus said:If there is a margin why it is invisible on the photo of the pig which regenere in 10 days? I see 2 possibilities: the margin is invisible orthe margin is here for show the difference between the old skin and the new skin, So see the progress of skinte on tissues scar. How a skin completely regenerate can have defects? Only polarity can answerat these questions
Exactly, you guys are stating what I said in the page before. I'm giving you the 3 possibilities, but obviously nobody can claim that the margin doesn't exist because it's clearly there and they labeled it. Why it exists idk. Intentionally made or not it's there. It could also just be part of the healing process, but to CLAIM it's one of the three is being misinformative especially with people who don't research or read anything; those people believe anything and they end up just like journalists and article writers who twist up words that have entirely different meanings.
Anyways I'm done discussing anymore because we just keep going in circles and people keep asking the same thing over and over.
Let's just wait for the results. Until then, I'm out of here.
you guys have no idea how this works. some say it'll create little 2cmsquared patches of skin (useless for scars by the way what are you gonna do stitch that over your scar??) somepeople say this some that. some say margin, some say not noticeable. Dudes don't you know anything about scars: huge loss of volume fat collagen, tissue damage, rolling, boxcar, enlarged pores, aged skin which makes the scars worse --a ticking timebomb, tissue volume loss etc. etc. you literally need the holly grail of reversing age to make the scars go away, what about hypertrophic scars and the keloids etc. that form on the margins of acne scars. Anyone here have raised scars from cystic acne on their nose? How will that be fixed? Or how about the icepick scars. Come on, give me a break. They're making this for acute burn patients. Not acne scars. There's no cure for acne scars.
2 hours ago, Rez77 said:you guys have no idea how this works. some say it'll create little 2cmsquared patches of skin (useless for scars by the way what are you gonna do stitch that over your scar??) somepeople say this some that. some say margin, some say not noticeable. Dudes don't you know anything about scars: huge loss of volume fat collagen, tissue damage, rolling, boxcar, enlarged pores, aged skin which makes the scars worse --a ticking timebomb, tissue volume loss etc. etc. you literally need the holly grail of reversing age to make the scars go away, what about hypertrophic scars and the keloids etc. that form on the margins of acne scars. Anyone here have raised scars from cystic acne on their nose? How will that be fixed? Or how about the icepick scars. Come on, give me a break. They're making this for acute burn patients. Not acne scars. There's no cure for acne scars.
you come here to createmore troublethan good. is so hard for you to wait 2 monthes for the results of skinTE in humans?
On 25/08/2017 at 5:59 PM, Rez77 said:you guys have no idea how this works. some say it'll create little 2cmsquared patches of skin (useless for scars by the way what are you gonna do stitch that over your scar??) somepeople say this some that. some say margin, some say not noticeable. Dudes don't you know anything about scars: huge loss of volume fat collagen, tissue damage, rolling, boxcar, enlarged pores, aged skin which makes the scars worse --a ticking timebomb, tissue volume loss etc. etc. you literally need the holly grail of reversing age to make the scars go away, what about hypertrophic scars and the keloids etc. that form on the margins of acne scars. Anyone here have raised scars from cystic acne on their nose? How will that be fixed? Or how about the icepick scars. Come on, give me a break. They're making this for acute burn patients. Not acne scars. There's no cure for acne scars.
You dont need the holy grail of reverse aging, just a treatment to regenerate skin. Even if the skin is regenerated it is the skin of your biological age, so it doesn't reverse aging.
24 minutes ago, slave of jesus said:no, skinte beginthe trialsin the 3rd quarter (July, August, September).Furthermore it takes 3 more months to have a regeneration.
My fault, so we should have results no later than November then. I also don't understand the 3 months part. I thought it took 21 days.
21 days ? according polarity, ittakes 10 days forclose the wound,but 3 months to have a full regeneration :that everything becomes normal inside theskin (homeostasis). they saidin their conference telefon, With regard to 3 months. you have to be patient even if it is sometimes difficult and relax because the life is beautiful. be impatient is not going to make the results come rather
in terms of the results logically : ifthey beginshuman trials in July = results publish in October
ifthey beginshuman trials in August = results publish in November
if he beginshuman trials in September = results publish in December
It's pretty obvious they haven't started human trials. No mention of current trials in interviews etc... Who knows when the hell that will happen. They seemed focused on getting investors. Like I said earlier, this stuff is so far away. The dates they give are overly optimistic on purpose. No investor wants to hear that by 2030 they'll be in a few hospitals. People want immediate gratification. To add to that, most of us with scars will have to wait even longer. You all can wishful think all you want, but it doesn't and won't change reality. I'd be very surprised to see a full human trial before 2020.
1 hour ago, mjg713 said:
That's going to absolutely nothing for acne scars, that is for ulcers.
5 hours ago, slave of jesus said:21 days ? according polarity, ittakes 10 days forclose the wound,but 3 months to have a full regeneration :that everything becomes normal inside theskin (homeostasis). they saidin their conference telefon, With regard to 3 months. you have to be patient even if it is sometimes difficult and relax because the life is beautiful. be impatient is not going to make the results come rather
in terms of the results logically : ifthey beginshuman trials in July = results publish in October
ifthey beginshuman trials in August = results publish in November
if he beginshuman trials in September = results publish in DecemberYou are a fool to think it will match those dates given. All companies do that to garner investor interest.
4 hours ago, 34erer34 said:It's pretty obvious they haven't started human trials. No mention of current trials in interviews etc... Who knows when the hell that will happen. They seemed focused on getting investors. Like I said earlier, this stuff is so far away. The dates they give are overly optimistic on purpose. No investor wants to hear that by 2030 they'll be in a few hospitals. People want immediate gratification. To add to that, most of us with scars will have to wait even longer. You all can wishful think all you want, but it doesn't and won't change reality. I'd be very surprised to see a full human trial before 2020.
That's going to absolutely nothing for acne scars, that is for ulcers.
in this case, does notcome backbefore 2020, see in 2030, if you do not believe. Otherwise you are even more imbecile than me. it makes me laugh people who are planning dates like 2030, 2050... You can even not knowledge what is going to take place in 1 year, and you want to plan in 10 years or more. I do not think silly at polarity, But what it has perhapspossibility that theya successful . they can succeed before 2020 or not, only the future will tell us. we will soon have the results, it is so difficult to wait a little ?