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Odd how Mal diccion can post in a seemingly sensitive manner whilst also the way he has been recently.
That's the last thing I will say on the matter.
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By the way, I just read a website of a Dutch hospital where there was a profile of a doctor who's mission it is to find a way to achieve scarless healing. It said that "vooralsnog" there wasn't a way to prevent large scars from forming. Vooralsnog is a Dutch word which when used in the context that they did means something like "it's not possible now but it probably will be in the future". Not really anything mind boggling but I thought it was interesting to see it confirmed once again that it's something that is being thought about deeply and worked towards in the medical field.
I hope everyone's doing well. That includes Mal diccion.
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Thanks for responding to our inquiries AyeAye.
I understand that a site as heavily populated as this one is tough to moderate. However, I've sent in reports in the past about user, Maldition, and to my knowledge nothing has been done. I'll continue to report this user but at a certain point it starts to feel like the reports don't have much weight if they aren't met with action.
Again, I do appreciate the response and the effort that's been made. Thanks.
He has been banned I think?
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Thanks for responding to our inquiries AyeAye.
I understand that a site as heavily populated as this one is tough to moderate. However, I've sent in reports in the past about user, Maldition, and to my knowledge nothing has been done. I'll continue to report this user but at a certain point it starts to feel like the reports don't have much weight if they aren't met with action.
Again, I do appreciate the response and the effort that's been made. Thanks.
Yes, he has been banned. Now let's get back to posting about relevant info!
what he/she says may not be wrong. I think you cannot prove that either....
True, but that could be said of any unsubstantiated claim made by anyone about anything. It's clear in this case that the user was posting lies (like all the times he reported a timeline not stated anywhere for when the hydrogel might reach human testing, or the fact he said JHU wasn't testing on pigs when they are) and quotes that he pulled out of thin air. If he was really talking to researchers involved and quoting them why on Earth would those quotes misspell hydrogel as "hidrogel?"
It may turn out that the hydrogel doesn't work on humans like it did on mice, but that's not why that user needed to go. He attacked other users, made up facts, lied about truths that were verifiable elsewhere and posted things that weren't productive, but in fact were harmful to this board.
Anyway, enough about him. This may or may not be an indication of anything but I noticed that Dr. Gerecht's lab website received a huge overhaul recently. It's a much cleaner design and easier to navigate. Could mean that they're stepping up their game for would-be investors.
We cant prove that the world is swinging from a piece of string as there are no verified sources or evidence, but by using documented maps we can say it is spherical, to a confident expectancy. He consistently misrepresented verified and sourced information, he consistently attacked messengers, he consistently perceptually lowered the expectation of the science via non sourced hearsay, which to me is probably vindictive and ignorant.He has consistently been disrupting talk, lying, and distorting on this for at least 1year on almost every post.
what he/she says may not be wrong. I think you cannot prove that either....
True, but that could be said of any unsubstantiated claim made by anyone about anything. It's clear in this case that the user was posting lies (like all the times he reported a timeline not stated anywhere for when the hydrogel might reach human testing, or the fact he said JHU wasn't testing on pigs when they are) and quotes that he pulled out of thin air. If he was really talking to researchers involved and quoting them why on Earth would those quotes misspell hydrogel as "hidrogel?"
It may turn out that the hydrogel doesn't work on humans like it did on mice, but that's not why that user needed to go. He attacked other users, made up facts, lied about truths that were verifiable elsewhere and posted things that weren't productive, but in fact were harmful to this board.
Anyway, enough about him. This may or may not be an indication of anything but I noticed that Dr. Gerecht's lab website received a huge overhaul recently. It's a much cleaner design and easier to navigate. Could mean that they're stepping up their game for would-be investors.
Apparently mice don't scar. It's all explained in the article at the link below. Might this be the reason the hydrogel seemed so effective in the mice experiments? I don't want to sound too pessimistic but the researchers chose an animal that has an excellent healing response to skin injuries, which raises the question as to what extent the positive results they reported are attributable to the hydrogel and to what extent they are attributable to the healing ability of the mice? I'm not holding my breath for a positive outcome from the pig experiments, though I hope I'm wrong.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/may23/med-scars-052307.html
Mice do scar. You didn't read the article well enough.
I give the Gerecht team more credit than you do; what would it say about them if they didn't stop to think about what Gurtner is speaking about in that article?
The realization of scarless healing isn't solely dependent on the succes of the hydrogel. I mean if it isn't succesful then that just means that the approach used with the hydrogel isn't the approach that people are looking for which is the one that will achieve scarless healing but another one is and that one exists and will be found eventually (it is still believed).
So, if the hydrogel doesn't work, then the tests with it will have been fruitful in the sense that another approach which isn't 100% effective can be crossed off the list. So in a way, it depends on how you look at it all that will determine if you get disheartened by the hydrogel's possible "failing" or not.
Apparently mice don't scar. It's all explained in the article at the link below. Might this be the reason the hydrogel seemed so effective in the mice experiments? I don't want to sound too pessimistic but the researchers chose an animal that has an excellent healing response to skin injuries, which raises the question as to what extent the positive results they reported are attributable to the hydrogel and to what extent they are attributable to the healing ability of the mice? I'm not holding my breath for a positive outcome from the pig experiments, though I hope I'm wrong.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/may23/med-scars-052307.html
Hiddycheeks mice do scar, you can compare results which are scarless against controls which say treated with saline that scarmore visually. Though bigger mammals, like say a whale or an elephant scar more after wounding, down to stress.
Regarding the hydrogel, the experiment was an experiment with a reliable control that has been tested thousands of times, on all mammals; the hydrogel digested way faster than the control and the body got complete regeneration. This is not POV pushing optimism or pessimism. Example POV pushing were you can lower or higher the expectations of another POV because they are non cited points of view.
This is actually a testable scientific paper which has brought a scientific expectation. You cant change scientific expectation via POV. And perceptually changing the expectation here actually prejudices testable scientific truths.
Mice do scar. You didn't read the article well enough.
I give the Gerecht team more credit than you do; what would it say about them if they didn't stop to think about what Gurtner is speaking about in that article?
The realization of scarless healing isn't solely dependent on the succes of the hydrogel. I mean if it isn't succesful then that just means that the approach used with the hydrogel isn't the approach that people are looking for which is the one that will achieve scarless healing but another one is and that one exists and will be found eventually (it is still believed).
So, if the hydrogel doesn't work, then the tests with it will have been fruitful in the sense that another approach which isn't 100% effective can be crossed off the list. So in a way, it depends on how you look at it all that will determine if you get disheartened by the hydrogel's possible "failing" or not.
Apparently mice don't scar. It's all explained in the article at the link below. Might this be the reason the hydrogel seemed so effective in the mice experiments? I don't want to sound too pessimistic but the researchers chose an animal that has an excellent healing response to skin injuries, which raises the question as to what extent the positive results they reported are attributable to the hydrogel and to what extent they are attributable to the healing ability of the mice? I'm not holding my breath for a positive outcome from the pig experiments, though I hope I'm wrong.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/may23/med-scars-052307.html
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Thanks for responding to our inquiries AyeAye.
I understand that a site as heavily populated as this one is tough to moderate. However, I've sent in reports in the past about user, Maldition, and to my knowledge nothing has been done. I'll continue to report this user but at a certain point it starts to feel like the reports don't have much weight if they aren't met with action.
Again, I do appreciate the response and the effort that's been made. Thanks.
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Thanks for responding to our inquiries AyeAye.
I understand that a site as heavily populated as this one is tough to moderate. However, I've sent in reports in the past about user, Maldition, and to my knowledge nothing has been done. I'll continue to report this user but at a certain point it starts to feel like the reports don't have much weight if they aren't met with action.
Again, I do appreciate the response and the effort that's been made. Thanks.
All reports are appropriately actioned according to our board rules. If a member is banned or issued with a warning we do not advertise the fact, and nor are you able to view if a warning (or several warnings) have been issued.
In the same manner, some reports are made simply due to a difference of opinion and in those circumstance no action is taken by the moderators.
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Thanks Aye Aye. The user we were having problems with has indeed been banned by the site. I received confirmation from another moderator.
Thanks again for all your help.
Check out this company. Not sure if their products can help with scarring.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/y-en-the-most-effective-and-universal-skin-care-effect
I found this interesting:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-12-skin-cells-ways-wounds-impact.html
When tied to this:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-06-growth-factor-responsible-triggering-hair.html#inlRlv
"Professor Fiona Watt, lead author and Director of the Centre for Stem Cells and Regenerative Medicine at King's College London, said: 'Changes to the thickness and compostion of the skin as we age mean that older skin is more prone to injury and takes longer to heal. It is possible that this reflects a loss of upper dermal fibroblasts and therefore it may be possible to restore the skin's elasticity by finding ways to stimulate those cells to grow. Such an approach might also stimulate hair growth and reduce scarring."
And...
"Humans have low numbers of gamma delta T cells in their skin compared to mice, and this may explain why human skin scars but does not regenerate hair follicles."
http://www.jscimedcentral.com/Regenerative/Articles/regenerative-1-1005.php
http://www.mrich.com.au/index.php/hydrogel-helps-grow-new-scar-free-skin/
IS THE LAST SENTENCE TRUE???? I feel like it's not because there would still have to be years of testing, right???
Hey good find. It seems strange to me that it would be announced this way and to be honest, I am doubtful that it's accurate info...but if it is it's very exciting!
http://www.jscimedcentral.com/Regenerative/Articles/regenerative-1-1005.php
http://www.mrich.com.au/index.php/hydrogel-helps-grow-new-scar-free-skin/
IS THE LAST SENTENCE TRUE???? I feel like it's not because there would still have to be years of testing, right???
Hey guys, long time acne scar sufferer here. Been following this thread for a couple of years and I know this is probably too good to be true (that hydrogel would be available next year already). But IF it would be true, what do you guys reckon would be the best treatment to use in conjunction with Hydrogel? I'm guessing subcision and then applying the hydrogel? Would dermarolling like mad (dripping blood) and then applying hydrogel have any effect? (been doing it on myself with some decent results last two years or so, 1.5mm forehead+templates with hyaluronic acid). I've also been saving up a lot of money so no limits there, just want to finally be free from this 