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^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY
regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.
Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)
and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by
any JHU or other governmental associated universities.
So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.
And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.
And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22030441
You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.
Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.
Its obvious we cant communicate.
I speak about governmental organized practices and you reply about jhu simple students.
The last word(=the power) its on fda.
Colloidal silver promotes dedifferentiation of mature cells back to embryonic state,it is being used for systemic infections
and is a miracle when it comes to burns.
This forum is about scar-free healing ,not just hydrogel.And CS can promote it so the admin doesnt have to shut down anything.
The scientific paper Golfpanther cited states silver is no better than the control. The paper is testable too.
^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY
regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.
Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)
and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by
any JHU or other governmental associated universities.
So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.
And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.
And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22030441
You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.
Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.
Its obvious we cant communicate.
I speak about governmental organized practices and you reply about jhu simple students.
The last word(=the power) its on fda.
Colloidal silver promotes dedifferentiation of mature cells back to embryonic state,it is being used for systemic infections
and is a miracle when it comes to burns.
This forum is about scar-free healing ,not just hydrogel.And CS can promote it so the admin doesnt have to shut down anything.
^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY
regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.
Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)
and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by
any JHU or other governmental associated universities.
So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.
And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.
And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22030441
You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.
Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.
Its obvious we cant communicate.
I speak about governmental organized practices and you reply about jhu simple students.
The last word(=the power) its on fda.
Colloidal silver promotes dedifferentiation of mature cells back to embryonic state,it is being used for systemic infections
and is a miracle when it comes to burns.
This forum is about scar-free healing ,not just hydrogel.And CS can promote it so the admin doesnt have to shut down anything.
Well, I did try to communicate with you by posting a link to paper that tested colloidal silver. In fact, I searched for quite some time trying to find a published scientific article that had shown evidence of it promoting scar free healing beyond controls and normal dressings. But sadly, only found that it worsened healing times in a lot of cases.
Also, I stated that earlier in the form we were discussing the Chinese paper that tested MSCs and Wharton's Jelly. In mice it too showed scar free healing in mice with full appendages. I also partook in conversations earlier about ReCell, ACell, CAR-decorin and the paper about injecting stem cells into scarred parts of the heart. I love learning about new stuff and possible new avenues towards scar free healing.
I looked into colloidal silver for that reason and I'll be happy to look into anything else anyone posts as well. Just because I don't believe colloidal silver is the answer doesn't mean I can't look into it and comment on it. Incidentally, I'm very excited by the Chinese paper and there would be no FDA control whatsoever with that, which you seem quite worried about.
Yes, in America the FDA is the regulatory body that rules over these kinds of things. But as I posted a few entries ago, there's history as to why their restrictions are so tight now. Look, I believe some conspiracies do exist, but I just don't see the end game for this one. If you can give me a reason to see why pharmaceutical companies would suppress this, I'd be all ears. But so far you've just said, FDA is bad, have the power and would not give us this treatment. You're just expecting me to take something on face value, which ironically is probably exactly what the governmental control you speak of would like people to do.
Anyway, here's an interesting article about reversing the age of a heart. Not about scar free healing in particular or about the hydrogel, but I think it's interesting.
http://harvardmagazine.com/2013/05/heart-aging-reversal-factor-found-in-mice
And so new members can see it without scouring back pages and pages, here's the Chinese paper:
Thank you for the link.
You could try this for your scar and report back.
Mist them in the morning with colloidal siver,then put at night cocoa butter
and take iodine internally with co supplements.
I dont like the last method since it requires injection of msc and wharton's jelly to the area.
I prefer hydrogel.Though we really dont know how it would react on existing scars.Period-we dont know it.
Its like saying:''cayenne will heal a cut in a matter of hours.thats true.But what about if you excise a cut that has been scarred
and then apply cayenne.Will the new excised wound heal scarless or the information for scar forming healing will result in a different
scar.This is my fear about hydrogel.
I think the way colloidal silver works by promoting dedifferentiaton of mature cells is a very good aproach.
I have shown a page here about Robert O Becker,achieving rat limb regrowth (mammal reggrowth) and regeneration of human
cut thumb,and a person here called Robert O'Becker( who actually died some years before) scam artist.
Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.
A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.
I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:
http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/amazing-before-and-after-photographs-of-recell-patients
Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).
Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.
The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.
-Mark
Hi Mark, sorry, but I'm calling BS on your post. You say you've been on this forum for many years, yet your only posts are only recent ones touting the benefits of RECELL. Also you don't specify how the recell was used. In conjunction with dermabrasion or laser (what type of laser?) etc.. Recell for acne scars is never used on its own.
I'm apologize if you're being genuine, but I'm pretty skeptical of the efficacy of recell for acne scarring since I've seen at best 30 percent improvement (which some lasers alone can achieve) with RECELL not the 80 percent improvement you seem to be claiming. Also, we don't really know how bad your scarring was.
If you are genuine and want to help then please provide pics (you don't have to show your whole face or reveal your identity) of your scars and how they look AFTER recell and please take them in the worst light i.e. not flat even lighting, but lighting which shows the scars. Also, please provide more details of your treatment, e.g. what the RECELL was used in conjunction with and who your dermatologist was.
If you cannot provide before after pics and the above information, it's pretty hard to trust you're for real and not just some representative from RECEL or have other interests.
I've never seen improvements from RECELL which made me think it was worth it.
Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.
A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.
I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:
http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/amazing-before-and-after-photographs-of-recell-patients
Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).
Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.
The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.
-Mark
That sounds amazing. Was the Recell combined with any other treatment, like dermabrasion? Are you getting this done in the UK? Thanks for sharing.
The article is referring to scars from injury. Such as a kinfe cut etc.
Not acne scars! Acne scars arent attractive
this guy is wrong. Govermental medicine and ''education'' spread the lies
so that people will feel helpless against their problem.
The answer came,comes and will come from nature.Same with scarring.
There is a history of many many years of people that i am sure were wondering about scarring
and finding natural ways to fade it.
Unfortunately this knowledge is being lost and we left with PHD preachers .
Its time to stop dreaming about PEOPLE supposedly trying to help us and just DO and Experiment.
If there was anyone out there that was trying to help us,he would be there in these forums.
We are the only one that help each other,an maybe some nice and independent people here and there.
Hydrogel people dont care about us.
Keep rubbing eggs on your face Panos - let us know how that turns out for you.
I am rubbing jojoba oil and then cover it with plastic wrap for now.
Btw egg= LIFE enviroment > every nanobot known in this world.
And i am not doing this since i decided to become fruitarian.
You should understand that nothing beats the fresh enzymes from fruits,vegetables and grains.
Notice the ambiguous term 'scarless healing' then look at this (She found no scar free healing):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23627460
Btw, out of interest, with regards to inflammation, why is it that the uterus which has its lining inflamed regularly, heals scar free?
Check here, something from 2007
As you can see the neutrophils and white blood cells, which play apart in inflammation, were removed and this delayed healing of the lining in the uterus. Btw the neutrophils eventually get eaten by the macrophages, macrophages have recently been implicated in the regeneration of limbs in the salamander.
I'm sorry but the paper/article you posted a link to is of Renovo? Not of her? Or am I missing something?
In the English language when you add "less" after a word it means that the word it's added to is what isn't had. So "homeless", "breathless", "shameless" and indeed "scarless"; when doctors refer to scarless healing I'm sure they mean healing without scar formation.
Doesn't she claim to have done the same as what the hydrogel people have done? Namely achieving scarless healing in an animal? If so then that is good news, in my opinion.
Notice the ambiguous term 'scarless healing' then look at this (She found no scar free healing):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23627460
Btw, out of interest, with regards to inflammation, why is it that the uterus which has its lining inflamed regularly, heals scar free?
Check here, something from 2007
As you can see the neutrophils and white blood cells, which play apart in inflammation, were removed and this delayed healing of the lining in the uterus. Btw the neutrophils eventually get eaten by the macrophages, macrophages have recently been implicated in the regeneration of limbs in the salamander.
I suppose a lot of people interchange scarless and scar free (like yourself), and a lot of the people who do, do so unwittingly to mean scar free and also do so with good faith and they take it in good faith if someone else uses the term, which she could do too. More fool to them though. However, scarless is an ambiguous term. It can mean anything, it does not pin the tail on the donkey. It does not call a spade a spade. As in waterless water. Who decides what measurement is waterless water? It is open to subjectivity and mind fucks.
With regards to renvo, they had a drug called prevascar (interlukin-10), http://www.renovo.com/en/products/prevascar , the same interleukin-10 she claims brought scarless healing.
Anyway look at the cv, here you can assess for yourself were she got her scarless research in 2001 or 2002:
http://www.restoraaustin.com/about_gordon_CV.html
Ctrl + f 'scarless'
She also provides no empirical evidence of scar free healing, but she is allowed to as she used the term scarless healing.
I'm sorry but the paper/article you posted a link to is of Renovo? Not of her? Or am I missing something?
In the English language when you add "less" after a word it means that the word it's added to is what isn't had. So "homeless", "breathless", "shameless" and indeed "scarless"; when doctors refer to scarless healing I'm sure they mean healing without scar formation.
Doesn't she claim to have done the same as what the hydrogel people have done? Namely achieving scarless healing in an animal? If so then that is good news, in my opinion.
Notice the ambiguous term 'scarless healing' then look at this (She found no scar free healing):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23627460
Btw, out of interest, with regards to inflammation, why is it that the uterus which has its lining inflamed regularly, heals scar free?
Check here, something from 2007
As you can see the neutrophils and white blood cells, which play apart in inflammation, were removed and this delayed healing of the lining in the uterus. Btw the neutrophils eventually get eaten by the macrophages, macrophages have recently been implicated in the regeneration of limbs in the salamander.
However, scarless is an ambiguous term. It can mean anything, it does not pin the tail on the donkey. It does not call a spade a spade. As in waterless water. Who decides what measurement is waterless water? It is open to subjectivity and mind fucks.
Statistical significance decides that, I agree, it's crap, there is no way we will able to alter the mechanism of scarring in humans over the next 50 years or so, I believe we will understand scar free healing fully in salamanders in the not too distant future, however we still won't be able to alter the mechanism of the scar formation in humans, I just cannot see how we could possibly alter the expression of perhaps tens or hundreds of genes, now I understand that the term 'biotechnology' is just another buzzword and hype (and it has been hype for 40 years, since 1973), the only hope for us is regenerative medicine, scaffolds, tissue engineering, stem cells (especially embryonic stem cells and iPS cells) and possibly molecular nanotechnology.
And what do you think about those nanobots from the video above? From 10:36 the TED speaker talks about nanobots that are able to stimulate and guide the regrowth of cells across injured tissues (injured spinal cord for example).
Lots of authority speaking from many people here.
You use words that put limits to our thoughts ,endeavours and,the most important,to our mind.
Not a single authority statement helped someone here.
Cayenne powder to cuts and after closing the wound putting a combination of sliperry elm paste with aloe vera will minimize scarring or produce scar free healing.
People using black salves for skin cancer growth ,use afterwards to the wound colloidal silver and willard's water and the hole left from the black salve
heals scar free.
We dont need any more authority speaking.There is a past in wound healing.We have to search it and dont wait from the PHD preachers.
My problem with this interluken btw is the fact that scarless healing again was used in ambiguouity and it was probably given all ststistical end points and tested with little confidence against a control like saline; like other things etc.
On a separate note, one tiny confusion I have here though is you seem to want to convey, and expect with blind faith, that this is all at point zero??? If so, I find this, when there is empirical evidence, out of left field. e.g. Metaphorically, someone has a problem. The person is at point zero. The person then thinks in the abstract and hypothesises because he is at point zero. Later, the person then finds empirical evidence, as he has found empirical evidence, he now needs less abstract; he has a map. Further down the line, he then finds a solution, he now needs no abstract, and he can progress and put his resources elsewhere and so on. So why if you have 'empirical evidence,' would anyone keep conveying that something is at point zero and we must look at the future??? That to me is left field.
We are hardly thinking at point zero, with scar free healing, like in 2001; reading some abstract about the need for a solution, if that is what you are expressing??? (Empirical evidence: complete regeneration of a 3rd degree burn, with testable methodology; Im repeating myself.) And with regards to detail, though you must know enough; you certainly don't need to understand how something works at the nano level. The standard that is important is the result; does it work? If something works and you know enough; it just works. And when it works resources can be planned elsewhere. But saying that I can understand why people want to find information at the nano level, I mean scientists did get funding for the hadrons collider And I expect, we will have limb regeneration way before youd know how healing works at the nano level.
Regarding your video, Ive just watched it, very informative and it kicked my brain in, lol. Btw because he is using computer systems, which can be demonstrated, Id be confident he is not scamming.
However, scarless is an ambiguous term. It can mean anything, it does not pin the tail on the donkey. It does not call a spade a spade. As in waterless water. Who decides what measurement is waterless water? It is open to subjectivity and mind fucks.
Statistical significance decides that, I agree, it's crap, there is no way we will able to alter the mechanism of scarring in humans over the next 50 years or so, I believe we will understand scar free healing fully in salamanders in the not too distant future, however we still won't be able to alter the mechanism of the scar formation in humans, I just cannot see how we could possibly alter the expression of perhaps tens or hundreds of genes, now I understand that the term 'biotechnology' is just another buzzword and hype (and it has been hype for 40 years, since 1973), the only hope for us is regenerative medicine, scaffolds, tissue engineering, stem cells (especially embryonic stem cells and iPS cells) and possibly molecular nanotechnology.
And what do you think about those nanobots from the video above? From 10:36 the TED speaker talks about nanobots that are able to stimulate and guide the regrowth of cells across injured tissues (injured spinal cord for example).
Sorry Seabs but I really don't understand you, for most of us here English is not our native language so we understand only simple English, BTW you mention the year 2001, so for how long you've been in this topic - scarless and scar free healing? And what kind of scars do you have - facial or body scars, from acne or injury?
Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.
A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.
I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:
http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/amazing-before-and-after-photographs-of-recell-patients
Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).
Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.
The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.
-Mark
Mark, could you please let me know who your Dermatologist is, I'd like to get a consultation with him/her. Thank you.