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Nobody from them is gonna give you information or products about how to TRULY regenerate skin.
Trust me,i know what i am talking about here.
You have got to stop thinking like this. Electricity does not heal scars. That dude is a scam artist- and I'm really tired of pricks like him exploiting people like us. Fingertips can regenerate themselves in some cases where the healing environment is good. There were youtube videos showcasing neosporin doing this to severed fingertips. Scars can be removed. I have naturally lost a very big scar on my stomach over time- 20 + years. I removed another scar by using Rentin-A religiously for several years. I am using brown sugar rubs in the shower, and remoisturizing with olive oil massaged into the scars for several minutes after stepping out of the shower (i do this before going to bed) and I'm seeing results from that. I have made some of my scars improve and regrow hair from pieces of castor oil soaked dye free cotton wraps left on them for several days at a time with the only breaks from the oil wrap being when i go out or take a shower . I am also experimenting with crushed aspirin mixed in olive oil slurry applied to scars at bed time covered over with a Band-Aid. I very much would love to try the egg oil, but I have my doubts in. Vav Life Science. I looked up a few of the people involved in the company and they are involved in other companies and that just doesn't gel. Most of the images they posted for oleova website are sourced from other locations - most importantly the cold press machines they claim to use. Those images of the machines are not theirs- they swiped those images for a company that sells them. I found this out by doing Google Upload Image searches. They will however sell you the oil for like $85 for 10 ounces. I might pull the trigger on it, but I'd hate to be duped. I'd much rather sort out a way to create my own oil- that way I know it's what it is, and personally I don't want a protein free version of the oil. Those proteins are probably what makes it work and I'm not allergic to egg proteins. I'm being proactive and trying many things all on my own, because the promises are still in clinical stages, and I'm tired of waiting. There is no illuminati/freemason conspiracy at play here. No one is trying to prevent the cure for scars. The cure for scars reaches far beyond cosmetic applications to aid in better health and survival rates for some patients. If it's found it will come to the people.
I am using brown sugar rubs in the shower, and remoisturizing with olive oil massaged into the scars for several minutes after stepping out of the shower (i do this before going to bed) and I'm seeing results from that. I have made some of my scars improve and regrow hair from pieces of castor oil soaked dye free cotton wraps left on them for several days at a time with the only breaks from the oil wrap being when i go out or take a shower .
That is very interesting. Care to elucidate? You actually had hairless scar tissue that now grows hair? Terminal or vellus? How sure are you that they weren't there before?
Nobody from them is gonna give you information or products about how to TRULY regenerate skin.
Trust me,i know what i am talking about here.
You have got to stop thinking like this. Electricity does not heal scars. That dude is a scam artist- and I'm really tired of pricks like him exploiting people like us. Fingertips can regenerate themselves in some cases where the healing environment is good. There were youtube videos showcasing neosporin doing this to severed fingertips. Scars can be removed. I have naturally lost a very big scar on my stomach over time- 20 + years. I removed another scar by using Rentin-A religiously for several years. I am using brown sugar rubs in the shower, and remoisturizing with olive oil massaged into the scars for several minutes after stepping out of the shower (i do this before going to bed) and I'm seeing results from that. I have made some of my scars improve and regrow hair from pieces of castor oil soaked dye free cotton wraps left on them for several days at a time with the only breaks from the oil wrap being when i go out or take a shower . I am also experimenting with crushed aspirin mixed in olive oil slurry applied to scars at bed time covered over with a Band-Aid. I very much would love to try the egg oil, but I have my doubts in. Vav Life Science. I looked up a few of the people involved in the company and they are involved in other companies and that just doesn't gel. Most of the images they posted for oleova website are sourced from other locations - most importantly the cold press machines they claim to use. Those images of the machines are not theirs- they swiped those images for a company that sells them. I found this out by doing Google Upload Image searches. They will however sell you the oil for like $85 for 10 ounces. I might pull the trigger on it, but I'd hate to be duped. I'd much rather sort out a way to create my own oil- that way I know it's what it is, and personally I don't want a protein free version of the oil. Those proteins are probably what makes it work and I'm not allergic to egg proteins. I'm being proactive and trying many things all on my own, because the promises are still in clinical stages, and I'm tired of waiting. There is no illuminati/freemason conspiracy at play here. No one is trying to prevent the cure for scars. The cure for scars reaches far beyond cosmetic applications to aid in better health and survival rates for some patients. If it's found it will come to the people.
First of all thank you for the information.
I am not into conspiracy. Robert O'Becker is not a scammer for sure.He has worked in labs with
\salamanders and frogs for many many years.He even managed to regrow a rat(mammal) limb.
Go on and doubt silver iontophoresis benefits.
Funny things that you despise electricity ,that is actually one of the the reason why you are healing scars.
Its not the Retin-A.Its the healing properties it induces your body.
Its not the Lugol's .It acts like a magnet for your lifefull healing mechanisms.
Its not the hydrogel.Its the enviroment it makes for angiogenesis etc etc.Electricity comes into first from your nervous
system.Otherise you wouldnt feel any pain.You wouldnt be a human being.
In other words,whatever you put in your skin acts like a catalyst for the body to heal.
The conspiracy is into this degenerative enviroment that we live.Huge amouns of fluoride in water,arsenicum in water,
antibiotics in meats and milk,bromide in everything,iodine deficiency,magnesium deficiency,and i could go on all day long.
How the fuck the body is going to heal scar from internally with all this degenerative system attacking it.
Nobody care for us.I wouldnt put my hopes to the ierarchy(JHU).
But on the other hand,i cant know for sure what going to happen.
Btw if you have any methods just put them on other threads to help others.
There is no reason to feel the need to prove something here egoistically.
There are others also to help.
I also advice you and others to chek the mini beet protocol from robert von that claims to remove scar tissue between many months to 2 years.
Why do you think electricity doesn heal scars.Why rife works?Why scio quantum machine
works? Why zappers work?
I know ,finding the thing that promotes healing is like searching for the foundation of life,for the
philosopher's stone of alchemists.
Nobody from them is gonna give you information or products about how to TRULY regenerate skin.
Trust me,i know what i am talking about here.
You have got to stop thinking like this. Electricity does not heal scars. That dude is a scam artist- and I'm really tired of pricks like him exploiting people like us. Fingertips can regenerate themselves in some cases where the healing environment is good. There were youtube videos showcasing neosporin doing this to severed fingertips. Scars can be removed. I have naturally lost a very big scar on my stomach over time- 20 + years. I removed another scar by using Rentin-A religiously for several years. I am using brown sugar rubs in the shower, and remoisturizing with olive oil massaged into the scars for several minutes after stepping out of the shower (i do this before going to bed) and I'm seeing results from that. I have made some of my scars improve and regrow hair from pieces of castor oil soaked dye free cotton wraps left on them for several days at a time with the only breaks from the oil wrap being when i go out or take a shower . I am also experimenting with crushed aspirin mixed in olive oil slurry applied to scars at bed time covered over with a Band-Aid. I very much would love to try the egg oil, but I have my doubts in. Vav Life Science. I looked up a few of the people involved in the company and they are involved in other companies and that just doesn't gel. Most of the images they posted for oleova website are sourced from other locations - most importantly the cold press machines they claim to use. Those images of the machines are not theirs- they swiped those images for a company that sells them. I found this out by doing Google Upload Image searches. They will however sell you the oil for like $85 for 10 ounces. I might pull the trigger on it, but I'd hate to be duped. I'd much rather sort out a way to create my own oil- that way I know it's what it is, and personally I don't want a protein free version of the oil. Those proteins are probably what makes it work and I'm not allergic to egg proteins. I'm being proactive and trying many things all on my own, because the promises are still in clinical stages, and I'm tired of waiting. There is no illuminati/freemason conspiracy at play here. No one is trying to prevent the cure for scars. The cure for scars reaches far beyond cosmetic applications to aid in better health and survival rates for some patients. If it's found it will come to the people.
First of all thank you for the information.
I am not into conspiracy. Robert O'Becker is not a scammer for sure.He has worked in labs with
\salamanders and frogs for many many years.He even managed to regrow a rat(mammal) limb.
Go on and doubt silver iontophoresis benefits.
Funny things that you despise electricity ,that is actually one of the the reason why you are healing scars.
Its not the Retin-A.Its the healing properties it induces your body.
Its not the Lugol's .It acts like a magnet for your lifefull healing mechanisms.
Its not the hydrogel.Its the enviroment it makes for angiogenesis etc etc.Electricity comes into first from your nervous
system.Otherise you wouldnt feel any pain.You wouldnt be a human being.
In other words,whatever you put in your skin acts like a catalyst for the body to heal.
The conspiracy is into this degenerative enviroment that we live.Huge amouns of fluoride in water,arsenicum in water,
antibiotics in meats and milk,bromide in everything,iodine deficiency,magnesium deficiency,and i could go on all day long.
How the fuck the body is going to heal scar from internally with all this degenerative system attacking it.
Nobody care for us.I wouldnt put my hopes to the ierarchy(JHU).
But on the other hand,i cant know for sure what going to happen.
Btw if you have any methods just put them on other threads to help others.
There is no reason to feel the need to prove something here egoistically.
There are others also to help.
I also advice you and others to chek the mini beet protocol from robert von that claims to remove scar tissue between many months to 2 years.
Why do you think electricity doesn heal scars.Why rife works?Why scio quantum machine
works? Why zappers work?
I know ,finding the thing that promotes healing is like searching for the foundation of life,for the
philosopher's stone of alchemists.
Panos is actually right here. What is the body but energy ? Call it cell energy or electricity , your body has the ability to light up a city. Your body does the work, it just has to be stimulated correctly . Well said Panos. Those who continuously use the term "conspiracy theory" need to open their own eyes and ears and start researching not labeling.
Seabs, I like your positive attitude but i've heard the same things back when in 2006-07?? If things were going so well it should have happened by now.
Again, im pretty sure that we may have the technology to heal scar-less already as you said. But the reality is a darker world. If a piece of ECM can regenerate skin as easy as pie then we do not have the need for expensive lasers and cosmetic surgery. How much can a piece of ECM possibly cost even if its marked-up? Maybe hundreds? But lasers costs thousands and they don't fully regenerate our skin and heal our scars, thus suckers will still pay more and more to go back. It is big business. The big companies will prevent such a scarless healing ECM if it does exists.
Hey A13forever,
Btw my attitude is not positive or negative, this is were you are slightly wrong. (Btw how can I be positive if I see others not expecting what is in front of their faces?) My attitude is pushy though, and pushy for progress but my push attitude is built on reason; and as such my expectations are also pushy for progress, and imo everyone's should be the same. If not, and you get distracted, its like turkeys voting for Christmas (talking and giving attention to things like lasers, talking about the next five years, every year in a rolling manner), and collective progress and the collective expectation will be hindered.
You can only expect what you can perceive. If you don't or cant perceive something you simply don't or cant expect it. If you are conditioned to only expect the Iphone5 you cant expect the Iphone9. This is were me and others here, differ with regards to expectation. Others easily let there expectations get prejudiced, led and conditioned by misinformation on this board, by people using or unintentionally appealing to something distracting, or letting their imaginations run wild. I just stick to the scientific facts and empirical evidence which highlights something clear and testable. My pushy attitude goes on reason using scientific facts, and I expect on reason. I don't let my expectations get prejudiced or conditioned by distractions, imo neither should anyone else.
Seabs, I like your positive attitude but i've heard the same things back when in 2006-07?? If things were going so well it should have happened by now.
Again, im pretty sure that we may have the technology to heal scar-less already as you said. But the reality is a darker world. If a piece of ECM can regenerate skin as easy as pie then we do not have the need for expensive lasers and cosmetic surgery. How much can a piece of ECM possibly cost even if its marked-up? Maybe hundreds? But lasers costs thousands and they don't fully regenerate our skin and heal our scars, thus suckers will still pay more and more to go back. It is big business. The big companies will prevent such a scarless healing ECM if it does exists.
It's very sad to see that there is still no progress for scarless healing yet. Our generation is completely fucked. Sorry for the negativity, but it is what it is.
There is empirical and 'scientific evidence' of a material that degrades rapidly and completely regenerates, which was tested against an established control, cited all over the thread...
Do you have learned helplessness?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness#Seligman_and_Maier
Here is something out of topic but certainly interesting:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/turning-skin-cells-directly-into-cells-that-insulate-neurons
The current research was done in mice and rats. If the approach also works with human cells, it could eventually lead to cell therapies for diseases like inherited leukodystrophies disorders of the brains white matter and multiple sclerosis, as well as spinal cord injuries.
...
Previous research in rodent disease models has shown that transplanted oligodendrocyte precursor cells derived from embryonic stem cells and from human fetal brain tissue can successfully create myelin sheaths around nerve cells, sometimes leading to dramatic improvements in symptoms.Creating OPCs from skin cells directly
Unfortunately, the availability of human fetal tissue is extremely limited, and the creation of OPCs from embryonic stem cells is slow and tedious, said the studys senior author, Marius Wernig, MD, assistant professor of pathology and a member of Stanfords Institute for Stem Cell Biology and Regenerative Medicine. It appeared we wouldnt be able to create enough human OPCs for widespread therapeutic use, so we began to wonder if we could create them directly from skin cells.
My guess is that if we have an experimental technology that is able to repair damaged white matter of the entire nervous system of the mouse (including brain) and thus effectively treat such a terrible and incurable disease such as multiple sclerosis then we shouldn't be so far away from a solution for skin scarring. What do you think about it?
I am aware of Hydrogel. Maybe I should have clarified my last post for a dimwit like yourself. I only consider progress when there is something that actually works, and something that is available today for everyone around the world. Until then, there is nothing to be excited about. Maybe you should take a little break from the forums because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession over this topic.
It's very sad to see that there is still no progress for scarless healing yet. Our generation is completely fucked. Sorry for the negativity, but it is what it is.
There is empirical and 'scientific evidence' of a material that degrades rapidly and completely regenerates, which was tested against an established control, cited all over the thread...
Do you have learned helplessness?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness#Seligman_and_Maier
I'm going nowhere.
Why the aggression here?
And surely a clever lad/lass like yourself should understand a concept of clear objective scientific empirical evidence, and how that standard of evidence is better than a subjective glass half full or glass half empty point of view?
I am aware of Hydrogel. Maybe I should have clarified my last post for a dimwit like yourself. I only consider progress when there is something that actually works, and something that is available today for everyone around the world. Until then, there is nothing to be excited about. Maybe you should take a little break from the forums because you seem to have an unhealthy obsession over this topic.
It's very sad to see that there is still no progress for scarless healing yet. Our generation is completely fucked. Sorry for the negativity, but it is what it is.
There is empirical and 'scientific evidence' of a material that degrades rapidly and completely regenerates, which was tested against an established control, cited all over the thread...
Do you have learned helplessness?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness#Seligman_and_Maier
We have to change our society .Otherwise :no scar healing to the world.
FDA doesnt even like colloidal silver,one of the best anti scar substance.Promotes dedifferentiation
of mature cells back to embryonic state.It is even used for 3rd degree burns.
It wouldnt be shocking if it didnt approve this also. We are the little guys ,we wont get it so easily.
Still have hope to the JHU?Its ok to do that.
But when you know that they are under governmental control +the funding comes
from pharmaceutical industries,then you know you have to change something in your way of thinking.
we're screwed, we will never find a solution, be realistic once never find a solution.
The hydrogel it's.
A scam!
*Rolls eyes*
Text big enough there? You label everything a scam Maldition... is there any product out there that you even believe in? Never find a solution? Only if you think like that. Why don't you try being a little optimistic? My scars have improved incredibly since I started my treatment journey, all thanks to science and people doing the research behind scars and their treatments. Society and science have a long way to go but nothing these days is insurmountable!
Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.
A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.
I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:
http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/amazing-before-and-after-photographs-of-recell-patients
Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).
Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.
The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.
-Mark
Well I don't want to get involved in all the aggression and arguing going on here. I am a long time member of acne.org and have gone here pretty much all through high school, college and such.
A lot of people on here helped me although what really helped with clearing up my acne was Accutane sadly had to go on it twice and now I have chronically dry eyes. But anyways thats beside the point.
I had terrible scars after all my acne issues and as a result a year ago my dermatologist recommended I get Recell spray on skin treatment. I was skeptical but I looked at the websites and was blown away by the results people posted:
http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/amazing-before-and-after-photographs-of-recell-patients
Anyways I eventually underwent the treatment. It only took an hour or so within a few months almost all of my scars had filled it and now a year out you can barely tell I ever had acne. I know your probably skeptical hearing this bc I sure was coming to these forums for years when I would read what worked for people ( I even read on here once that putting egg yolks on your face works to get rid of acne and toothpaste, i tried those they didn't lol).
Anyways Recell worked great for me. Do your own research but when I went home to see my parents the other day they were amazed they thought I was a compeltely different person. All the red marks and ugly scars are almost all gone. Theres still a little bit in my worse areas but honestly its almost impossible to see unless your staring point blank in a mirror.
The whole thing cost me a few hundred bucks. I think list price was $2000 but somehow my dermatologist got insurance to cover some of it. Anyways compeltely revolutionized my life. It worked amazingly for me.
-Mark
Great to hear it worked so well for you. Those pictures are impressive. I think most of us, if not all of us, that used this board are familiar with ReCell. I think the issue for using it for a lot of people comes down to the fact that it doesn't regenerate skin appendages and skin withe exact morphology as before the injury occurred. So you don't get things like hair, the ability to sweat, oil secretion etc.
But that's awesome that it made such a positive impact on your life. Good stories like this are hard to come by on this forum. Congrats!
We have to change our society .Otherwise :no scar healing to the world.
FDA doesnt even like colloidal silver,one of the best anti scar substance.Promotes dedifferentiation
of mature cells back to embryonic state.It is even used for 3rd degree burns.
It wouldnt be shocking if it didnt approve this also. We are the little guys ,we wont get it so easily.
Still have hope to the JHU?Its ok to do that.
But when you know that they are under governmental control +the funding comes
from pharmaceutical industries,then you know you have to change something in your way of thinking.
I guess for some things, this thinking makes sense. Like cancer for example. If you eliminate it rather than manage it and "treat" it then you're potentially costing your organization a lot more money down the road. I'm not saying that's what I believe, but at least the theory has some inherent logic.
But with scars? Not really at all. Think about all the people on this board that refuse to get other treatments because they want a comprehensive solution. The pharmaceutical companies aren't making any money off these people right now but the market potential is huge. And the thing about scars is...we get them all the freaking time. It's not like eliminating a disease, it's something that can occur at any given moment, which would necessitate future procedures. Throw in the fact that you could charge a ton for using a scar-free healing methods for surgeries and you'd generate income not only from that, but also from the multitude of people that would choose to do cosmetic procedures if such a method were available.
A healthy amount of skepticism is fine and I do agree that the FDA needs to loosen some of their regulatory practices. But a short trip over to Wikipedia will show you that the reason they tightened up so much was due to a tragically flawed drug (Thalidomide) that caused horrific birth defects in pregnant women. So, the motivation to tighten the ship was brought about by a real failure in oversight, not some corporate boogeymen with an agenda.
Let's just stick to objective facts and updates from reputable sources (e.g. published and vetted papers and the researchers themselves). Otherwise, it's just trolling to get attention. Lastly, my family is heavily involved with academia (two of my in-laws graduated with their PhD's from JHU) and while the process to get money from the NIH (JHU received money from the NHLBI for this research) is lengthy, it's not like the shadow your every move. Let's just lighten up, stayed informed, help where we can and judge the results on their meritsnot speculation.
^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY
regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.
Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)
and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by
any JHU or other governmental associated universities.
.
*Rolls eyes*
Text big enough there? You label everything a scam Maldition... is there any product out there that you even believe in? Never find a solution? Only if you think like that. Why don't you try being a little optimistic? My scars have improved incredibly since I started my treatment journey, all thanks to science and people doing the research behind scars and their treatments. Society and science have a long way to go but nothing these days is insurmountable!
i have to do ''regime every day 99999 vitamins and serums'', have your mind busy.
^^ Come man .Nobody is gonna give you a material that can TRULY
regenerate skin. You are a slave like me and others here.
Thats why ,our generation has to break this matrix(the enviroment in which something develops)
and show that scarless healing is real, contrary to the popular belief,and we are not dependent by
any JHU or other governmental associated universities.
So, what exactly is your plan of attack to break free of said matrix and find a method for scar-free healing? It's fine to say that but unless you have an actual methodology it's just words.
And really, you believe everyone, everywhere is so malicious and conspiratorial that they'll bury the technology just...because? Since I know several people that graduated for JHU and talk to them every day I can tell you it's just not true. At least in that specific institution's case. And I stand by what I wrote. If your theory is that "they" operate solely to keep us under their thumb than the surest way to do that is to control where our money goes and how we spend it. Giving us a way to heal our wounds scar free would open up huge avenues of revenue and control.
And regarding silver, I doubt you'll believe this paper but I'll post a link to it anyway. It basically says that some of the silver treatments they test led to longer healing times than controls. Oh, and it's not a US paper, it's Malaysian.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22030441
You will likely find a reason to doubt it, and that's fine. I do think there are instances where governments control the flow of information and progress in ways that probably don't serve the public interest, but I see no reason to believe scar free healing is one of them.
Honestly, the moderator should just shut this forum down. It's completely lost it's purpose. I'd be more than happy to discuss alternatives to the hydrogel (I did look into the silver method and earlier there was a linked paper about Mesenchymal Stem Cells and Wharton's Jelly that was published in China) but no one seems to be doing that anymore.
ok.