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I can no longer trust medicine, since what happened to me with accutane I have lost respect for what medicine offers, I will not get the vaccine I live in Chile and they are indirectly "forcing" to be vaccinated, you cannot go to theaters or restaurants if you have not vaccinated 2 doses, once you get vaccinated they give you a card that you must keep and show on the public road. Anyway, I will not be vaccinated, I do not trust a vaccine created in less than 2 years without knowing its long-term effects.
I will not risk making the same mistake twice
changing the subject.....
I was consuming two strains of specific probiotics and what a shit I have done during those days, it was a monster that I had not experienced since before accutane, I was also consuming these probiotics after coming off accutane and they had not yielded the same results then I stop consuming them, now 1 month later, my stools came out as before and even with a greater diameter, this makes me believe that I have improved in a certain way, before I had intestinal burning and my guts felt irritated ... now I think I am improving but not completely , but at least I can see progress.
someone with experience in intestinal problems, improves, I do not know what I know ... any specific diet or specific probiotic strains that strengthen the immune and digestive system to prevent future problems or strengthen the intestinal walls?
I'm sorry if it sounds disgusting, but I am specific to help people who may go through the same thing and read it years later or what do I know.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2870901/
Daily supplements
Eclectic institute herbs
Ginkgo
Milk thistle
Other
Mcha
Glucosamine
L phenylalanine
Vitamin c gummies
Diet
Omnivore
Organic when possible
i still believe the drug is trapped in the body, and that accutane people need extra glucosamine to get it out. glucosamine supports glucuronidation. Will keep the board posted on how the above program goes.
I had covid in March of last year and I licked it in under a day. Noticeable tightness in my chest for less than 24 hours. I believe accutane's presence in my body helped me to beat it so quickly.
George is smart to avoid the toxic vaccine. Countless deaths and neurological and cardiovascular injuries from it. No thanks.
I tried cal d glucarate several times and all it did was wipe out my hormone levels. Having a healthy microbiome helps to prevent beta glucuronidase. Probiotic and or prebiotic rich foods helps with the microbiome.
1 hour ago, Calcified said:Have anyone contracted covid 19 here? I'm interested hearing from anti A people as well. How sick did you get?
There's studies speculation that covid can effect vitamin A and isotrentoin was looked at as a treatment.
Yes, I was caught in the second deadly wave India experienced. Honestly, not too bad. I recovered just fine.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33382930/
It seems like we don't need a vaccine anymore after accutane lol
Celery juice on an empty stomach is good for health?
Our immune system is prepared for all viruses, we are strong to remove all viruses that enter our body, the vaccine is for those who have no defenses and have their body contaminated with the junk food they consume, I repeat that our body is resistant and It can regenerate but we do not adapt it or we do not listen to it, that is why we need classical medicine because we are well-off and we want quick results and that is what makes us sick the most ... having that anxiety to have quick results.
People are killing more and more their body every day through stress, medicine, food and lifestyle in general.
Hot showers are the worst for the immune system, breathing 50% less than our share is very bad for eliminating bacteria and oxygenate our blood as well as breathing through the mouth.
The vaccine activates in advance the defenses that "are sleeping" at the moment the covid enters the body, in this way they detect it earlier, what they inject into our body is an artificial stimulant that they inject into our immune system, leaving the defenses more excited .
The earth gives us its food, which are the best sources of energy, pre-biotics and minerals. Processed foods kill us and make our body sick, this makes us vulnerable to all diseases and fills us with heavy metals in our body.
In Spain there is a young man named Jordi nicknamed "Jordi Paleo" who was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis, an "autoimmune" disease that has no cure for classical medicine. In conclusion, this boy cured that disease with a strict diet and changes in daily habits. In previous years he did many interviews but these doctors have never shared his story with others as it would kill the doctor business, only casual people interviewed him. Also a girl from Mexico who was also diagnosed with this disease and healed through meditation and the self-knowledge of supporting her body with words like "you are not sick, you are strong" she convinced herself speaking to the her body.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/mi/2018/3067126/
"RA also has effects in adipocytes, promoting white adipose tissue (WAT) browning by differentiation into beige cells (antiobesity) instead of white cells (proobesity). The formation of brown adipocytes within WAT enhances energy expenditure and reduces obesity. In addition, RA can repress the expression of inflammatory chemokines and cytokines, inhibiting inflammatory responses triggered by obesity."
I found the reason i can't gain any weight after accutane.
My theory is that vitamin A is not the problem, the problem is isotretinoin, we are sensitive to that substance, I think it is no longer in our body, although a doctor told me that drugs can take years to leave the body, from a paracetamol to a strong drug.
Our body reacted badly, the medicine is not bad in itself, the bad thing is the few studies that we do before being subjected to any medication without a complete analysis of our organism.
If consuming vitamin A were the problem, many people who consume high vitamin A would have dry skin effects after taking the pills.
Well that is my theory, my opinion is that if our body does not support the medication it is fine but if we undergo long months of medication we will be even worse.
I can be sure that the effects depend on our metabolism and the accumulated dose. This explains people who take this medicine for 3 years without any effect !!
On this page I was reading a user who was taking these pills for 6 years, I can not believe it!
Our genes decide how we react to chemicals, it is like covid (stupid example) that not all of us react the same or like people who have bad effects with ibuprofen, our metabolism decides whether to go back to being the same or not, but we should not give up that's for cowards, Up we encourage them and help our metabolism to be strong. We cannot consume ourselves and think negatively, if we are negative we will never be successful in health and in our plans.
I have heard theories that these pills promote "derealization", I suffer from this type of anxiety and I still remember the day it gave me, but it has nothing to do with these pills, since I am 5 years old with derealization ... It is uncomfortable but I was able to get used to it and I never opted for the drugs, I have gotten used to living like this and the symptoms disappeared, I would say that I am 100% without symptoms and I no longer remember that I have that, please if someone has derealization. Talk to me if you want, I have a giant experience in that condition, at first you feel alone but believe me that you can heal, in my case it gave me a very traumatic moment in my life anyway ... if someone has this condition they can me speak, I have never visited a psychologist.
What a coincidence my people, I was on TikTok and I got to see a video of a man who took 40mg accutane and pronounced its long-term effects which were anxiety, IBS symptoms, bloating in the body, stomach cramps, abdominal pain, many gas, nosebleeds, migraines, anxiety and a lot of sleep.
well, the point is that it no longer has such effects although they lasted, I mention that he had to regenerate his intestines by supplementing with glutamine, a lot of chamomile, bone broth and a low FODMAP diet, that made his intestine recover from the damage.
My gastroenterologist told me that accutane kills bacteria everywhere in the intestine, another doctor from a well-known clinic in my country told me that if he knew of accutane, the moment I mentioned accutane she immediately changed her face and said that she would do liver tests and blood including c-reactive protein along with a tomography of the abdomen and pelvis to rule out inflammation in my intestines due to colitis or crohn.
I had good my analysis, but it left me in doubt how I react when I comment that I had abdominal pain after being in accutane.
On 7/16/2021 at 2:58 AM, Lifesuckshard said:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33382930/
It seems like we don't need a vaccine anymore after accutane lol
This is why I wonder how anti A people have handled covid 19 exposure.
On 7/16/2021 at 2:34 AM, NagarNikku_ said:Yes, I was caught in the second deadly wave India experienced. Honestly, not too bad. I recovered just fine.
You anti A?
I think it's a very bad idea to avoid vitamin A. Especially for us. Accutane isn't real vitamin A and i think we're all deficient. That's why people get thyroid problems.
I still think inflamed adipose tissue (caused by accutane) caused insulin resistance. I don't see how the side effects could be permanent without this being the case. This will keep ATRA levels high and this binds to the RXR receptor. This downregulates ppar y and this is what keeps sebum production down (and causes hair problems because it downregulates wnt).
We need real vitamin A (which is rather a hormone than a vitamin) because the body can't make energy without retinol and copper (which accutane makes bio unavailable). But because the body stays in a state of insulin resistance, it's impossible to replenish real vitamin A. This is why i thought ppar y agonists (TZS's) would be a potential solution combined with retinol supplementation.
5 hours ago, Lifesuckshard said:I think it's a very bad idea to avoid vitamin A. Especially for us. Accutane isn't real vitamin A and i think we're all deficient. That's why people get thyroid problems.
I still think inflamed adipose tissue (caused by accutane) caused insulin resistance. I don't see how the side effects could be permanent without this being the case. This will keep ATRA levels high and this binds to the RXR receptor. This downregulates ppar y and this is what keeps sebum production down (and causes hair problems because it downregulates wnt).
We need real vitamin A (which is rather a hormone than a vitamin) because the body can't make energy without retinol and copper (which accutane makes bio unavailable). But because the body stays in a state of insulin resistance, it's impossible to replenish real vitamin A. This is why i thought ppar y agonists (TZS's) would be a potential solution combined with retinol supplementation.
So how would we do that ? waht would do the trick ?
I completely agree, if we avoid vitamin A we will damage more, maybe some organisms lost the way to metabolize vitamin A on a regular basis and this is altered.
Accutane is a synthetic derivative of vitamin A, perhaps this is why some people lose their night vision or see very blurred this shows a deficiency of vitamin A. While others have headaches, this can show an excess of perhaps synthetic vitamin A.
Anyway, being away from vitamin A can damage the organs, the root of the problem was not vitamin A but it was 13-cis-retinoic acid.
This substance is not natural, therefore, something important would be that intense exercise and muscle stress could discard such a substance in case some think that it is still in our body.
On 10/23/2011 at 9:01 AM, User116745 said:Hey guys it's me again. I have read all the posts in this thread and would like respond. The general consensus I am getting is that most of you are very educated about healthy food and supplements. This is good as it is a very important part of recovery. Still, it is only a part.
Many of you are frustrated because you are not becoming healthy again at a fast rate or are not seeing much results.
(When I say healthy I mean your body being hot, sweaty, strong, full of energy, no joint pain, no depression, etc.)
The problem I believe is most of you appear to be not exercising correctly and/or intensely enough. It is so important. I made a video a week ago giving some tips on recovery. Please, check it out.
http://www.acne.org/...tane-treatment/
You CAN and SHOULD work out intensely. It will take time though.
3 months ago I couldn't run for more than 50 feet without having to stop and rest. Now I can run 5 miles steadily everyday. And not only that, I can now do it without wearing any shoes! And I keep getting stronger and healthier everyday. You too can reach physical goals that seem impossible, no matter your age or current health.
It only took 3 months of hard work to become much healthier. And admittedly I could have even done it faster had I pushed myself more. So really, it doesn't take much time to completely reverse the condition of your health if you are working hard at it.
I want to make another video, this time showing me actually doing some exercises and tips for people just starting. The video again, will be geared to Accutane specific health problems. I only have a webcam so once I find a video camera I will make it.
Stay motivated everyone! Life is beautiful. You will recover and feel amazing, if you work hard at it.
Have a nice day.
This person, its effects were terrible and through intense exercise and good nutrition he was cured. it is the same as I mentioned before.
As always, they are accepted as idiots and liars by the ignorant, their last message was their healing experience and it was in 2013, the year that was their last visit and why? maybe because his life was like before and he did not need the approval of people who did not believe him, in my case I believe him since since 2009 he mentioned the effects of him taking accutane including ED.
4 hours ago, DeadCobra said:So how would we do that ? waht would do the trick ?
A ppar y agonist would be what we need. This will reduce adipose tissue inflammation and improve insulin resistance (insulin resistanceupregulates aldh1a3, this enzyme is the last step in ATRA synthesis is and is also found in hair follicles). Ppar y activation will downregulate aldh1a3 and increase sebum production. Then, the body will be able to use real vitamin A again.
3 hours ago, george20 said:This person, its effects were terrible and through intense exercise and good nutrition he was cured. it is the same as I mentioned before.
As always, they are accepted as idiots and liars by the ignorant, their last message was their healing experience and it was in 2013, the year that was their last visit and why? maybe because his life was like before and he did not need the approval of people who did not believe him, in my case I believe him since since 2009 he mentioned the effects of him taking accutane including ED.
Yeah, plenty of people disappear off forum, makes you think they are cured and have moved on.
Having said that, youve gotta wonder how bad some of these side effects were for some people, perhaps mild enough that some intense exercise/detox was all that was neededhard to say for sure.
jumping to Lifesuckshard post, for long term sufferers I think his theory is pretty good, that we need to address these inflammation and insulin issues if we are to get anywhere
I havent been lazy at all with exercise, Ive done intense yoga and running and I can say it did not cure me. I continue to fight major fatigue, headaches etc and recent tests indicate an insulin issue amongst other problems
Whilst I encourage people to exercise, eat healthy, do the celery juicing and all that good stuff but its not an ultimate cure vs the inflammation/insulin/vitamin A issue that still persists
I think where Lifesuckshard is going with this has real merit for whats still inherently wrong with us long term
7 hours ago, Lifesuckshard said:A ppar y agonist would be what we need. This will reduce adipose tissue inflammation and improve insulin resistance (insulin resistanceupregulates aldh1a3, this enzyme is the last step in ATRA synthesis is and is also found in hair follicles). Ppar y activation will downregulate aldh1a3 and increase sebum production. Then, the body will be able to use real vitamin A again.
Would be good to know if atra is high but we seem to be on the lower end of everything now.
6 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Yeah, plenty of people disappear off forum, makes you think they are cured and have moved on.
Having said that, youve gotta wonder how bad some of these side effects were for some people, perhaps mild enough that some intense exercise/detox was all that was neededhard to say for sure.
jumping to Lifesuckshard post, for long term sufferers I think his theory is pretty good, that we need to address these inflammation and insulin issues if we are to get anywhere
I havent been lazy at all with exercise, Ive done intense yoga and running and I can say it did not cure me. I continue to fight major fatigue, headaches etc and recent tests indicate an insulin issue amongst other problems
Whilst I encourage people to exercise, eat healthy, do the celery juicing and all that good stuff but its not an ultimate cure vs the inflammation/insulin/vitamin A issue that still persists
I think where Lifesuckshard is going with this has real merit for whats still inherently wrong with us long term
Of course, I think that if one body had more problems than others it is because his body is sensitive to isotretinoin more than the other, I am one of those who think that the more effects, the more difficult it is to heal, this boy looked really desperate when he had side effects.
Despite having only a slight change in intestinal habits (I don't know if it was accutane since I had a stress just when I was consuming it) and nothing else, I think it is a good idea to contribute in the forum in order to have encouragement about healing and keep that hope.
Although not everyone can be healed with exercise or diet while others can and there are many who are ignored for talking about their healing, many when they are not healed believe that it is not possible to be successful, but all organisms are different.
I think that when someone is cured they will no longer participate in the forum, I do not think it is a good idea to bring those memories, it will be a circle in which you will find your healing, you will share it and they will ignore you because they tried the methods of your healing and they were not cured, But somewhere in the world there is a body that reacts the same as yours and you can be the testimony of a cure for it.
It is notable that most of those that have noticeable effects are those that are left with dry skin. Not all but they are the majority.
Maybe you got to the point where the pills dried up your skin and that is why it is difficult for you to heal, I am sorry if I sound positive and I am annoying for someone like you, since I can see that you are looking for a solution like everyone else.
9 hours ago, Lifesuckshard said:A ppar y agonist would be what we need. This will reduce adipose tissue inflammation and improve insulin resistance (insulin resistanceupregulates aldh1a3, this enzyme is the last step in ATRA synthesis is and is also found in hair follicles). Ppar y activation will downregulate aldh1a3 and increase sebum production. Then, the body will be able to use real vitamin A again.
So ... does oranism consume fake vitamin A? How would this be possible? A point could be reached where the vitamin from the pills will no longer be present and only natural vitamin A will reach the body. What damages the body is 13-retinoic acid.
There are tests that measure the inflammation of all the organs of the body, unfortunately I had no inflammation and I was even very low as always.
what is your theory?
2 hours ago, george20 said:Of course, I think that if one body had more problems than others it is because his body is sensitive to isotretinoin more than the other, I am one of those who think that the more effects, the more difficult it is to heal, this boy looked really desperate when he had side effects.
Despite having only a slight change in intestinal habits (I don't know if it was accutane since I had a stress just when I was consuming it) and nothing else, I think it is a good idea to contribute in the forum in order to have encouragement about healing and keep that hope.
Although not everyone can be healed with exercise or diet while others can and there are many who are ignored for talking about their healing, many when they are not healed believe that it is not possible to be successful, but all organisms are different.
I think that when someone is cured they will no longer participate in the forum, I do not think it is a good idea to bring those memories, it will be a circle in which you will find your healing, you will share it and they will ignore you because they tried the methods of your healing and they were not cured, But somewhere in the world there is a body that reacts the same as yours and you can be the testimony of a cure for it.It is notable that most of those that have noticeable effects are those that are left with dry skin. Not all but they are the majority.
Maybe you got to the point where the pills dried up your skin and that is why it is difficult for you to heal, I am sorry if I sound positive and I am annoying for someone like you, since I can see that you are looking for a solution like everyone else.
not at all, if your posts help than thats all that matters, hope you didnt read it that way, I will be doing the celery juicing to help heal my persistent stomach acid issues!!
unfortunately the forum has victims from 1 yr post tane and up to 20 yrs post tane. Some with minor issues, others with some pretty serious issues still at play
Many who are 10 yrs have tried a lot of stuff over the yrs to detox. I assume someone likeLifesuckshard has tried almost everything to reach the conclusion of evenlooking into ppar y agonist theories.
To change gears, just got out of session with kinesiologist, Copper tested fine, no problem either way with overload or lacking so nothing to fix as of now with copper.
Retinol though was still a problem in my body, tested with the retinol vile they use as part of the test kit,itsall thru my organs and inbrain he said inc corpus callosum and frontal cortex he said,no wonder I get headaches and tiredness
He released it and said my body will dump a lot of it over coming days, gave me B1 dropsin particular to help support this process, thats what my body wanted apparentlyAlso MTHF to helpsupport liver with the detox
Also, for anyone who gives two shits about kinesiology, we did some emotional releasing around retinol, this included:
1. the bad memory of taking Tane
2. the indecisiveness on what yo do aboutit
3. Sadness came up too, so we released this emotion
lets see how this all goes!!
6 hours ago, TrueJustice said:not at all, if your posts help than thats all that matters, hope you didnt read it that way, I will be doing the celery juicing to help heal my persistent stomach acid issues!!
unfortunately the forum has victims from 1 yr post tane and up to 20 yrs post tane. Some with minor issues, others with some pretty serious issues still at play
Many who are 10 yrs have tried a lot of stuff over the yrs to detox. I assume someone likeLifesuckshard has tried almost everything to reach the conclusion of evenlooking into ppar y agonist theories.
To change gears, just got out of session with kinesiologist, Copper tested fine, no problem either way with overload or lacking so nothing to fix as of now with copper.
Retinol though was still a problem in my body, tested with the retinol vile they use as part of the test kit,itsall thru my organs and inbrain he said inc corpus callosum and frontal cortex he said,no wonder I get headaches and tiredness
He released it and said my body will dump a lot of it over coming days, gave me B1 dropsin particular to help support this process, thats what my body wanted apparentlyAlso MTHF to helpsupport liver with the detox
Also, for anyone who gives two shits about kinesiology, we did some emotional releasing around retinol, this included:
1. the bad memory of taking Tane
2. the indecisiveness on what yo do aboutit
3. Sadness came up too, so we released this emotion
lets see how this all goes!!
Haven't heard of anyone having high retinol results on blood test before, maybe organ levels are higher? Did they advise you to get retinol serum checked at GP?