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1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:I think youre right
My questionswith taking LDN
How long do you take it?
What are the risks?
Are there success stories from Tane victims with using it?
I know hardly anything about LDN, I just wanted to share that a person is successfully treating his symptoms with it. I'll ask what their dose is
I am pretty sure that on a genetic level isotetinoin causes telomere shortening. The only thing you can do for this is meditation and hyperberic oxygen.
I have been doing 20 minutes of guided yoga per day to try to improve telomere length. I don't have access to hyperberic oxygen.
I am also quite convinced that isotretinoin causes an autoimmune disease with the endocrine system that weakens the immune system, makes the testicles dysfunctional, and makes the adrenal response dysfunctiinal.
There has been some talk about fasting not working but at this point I have decided to try a 15-20 day water fast today to see if this cures the autoimmune component of post retinoid syndrom .
20 minutes ago, DeepAcceptance said:I am pretty sure that on a genetic level isotetinoin causes telomere shortening. The only thing you can do for this is meditation and hyperberic oxygen.
I have been doing 20 minutes of guided yoga per day to try to improve telomere length. I don't have access to hyperberic oxygen.
I am also quite convinced that isotretinoin causes an autoimmune condition with the lymphatic system that weakens the immune system, makes the testicles dysfunctional, and makes the adrenal response dysfunctiinal.
There has been some talk about fasting not working but at this point I have decided to try a 15-20 day water fast today to see if this cures the autoimmune component of post retinoid syndrom .
Well, the thing about autoimmune diseases is that there is currently no cure. So if we go down the school of thought that PAS is an autoimmune disease of its own kind, then we should be looking at medications used for other autoimmune diseases such as arthritis. I'm still on apremelist and have good news but I'll share my findings at a later date so I don't get everyone's hopes up.
1 hour ago, DeepAcceptance said:I am pretty sure that on a genetic level isotetinoin causes telomere shortening. The only thing you can do for this is meditation and hyperberic oxygen.
I have been doing 20 minutes of guided yoga per day to try to improve telomere length. I don't have access to hyperberic oxygen.
I am also quite convinced that isotretinoin causes an autoimmune condition with the lymphatic system that weakens the immune system, makes the testicles dysfunctional, and makes the adrenal response dysfunctiinal.
There has been some talk about fasting not working but at this point I have decided to try a 15-20 day water fast today to see if this cures the autoimmune component of post retinoid syndrom .
There is a lymphatic issue going but fixing it is proving to be difficult - kinesiologist has me on Manjistha Supreme supplementalong with doing all thephysical adjustments
I dunno, I just think after years of trialing things that we have a unique autoimmune issue as the root cause for all our issues, could also be affecting telomeres too but what can you do for that other than whats been mentioned....
Things I havent tried where weve heard of success is the Anti Vit A diet for continued period of timeand also long water fasts. Im not convinced though that a complete cure has taken place with those doing this - could be wrong but something just doesnt convince me these are the way to go - they might improve things but are they a cure!?
Im no doubt in a better position these days after working with kinesiologist but Im not going to say Im cured - far from it
Ive given it 2 solid years of pretty much weekly visits, I have to look at something else soon for this persistent brain fog I still deal with - this is why Im keen to hear more about LDN
Thanks
27 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:There is a lymphatic issue going but fixing it is proving to be difficult - kinesiologist has me on Manjistha Supreme supplementalong with doing all thephysical adjustments
I dunno, I just think after years of trialing things that we have a unique autoimmune issue as the root cause for all our issues, could also be affecting telomeres too but what can you do for that other than whats been mentioned....
Things I havent tried where weve heard of success is the Anti Vit A diet for continued period of timeand also long water fasts. Im not convinced though that a complete cure has taken place with those doing this - could be wrong but something just doesnt convince me these are the way to go - they might improve things but are they a cure!?
Im no doubt in a better position these days after working with kinesiologist but Im not going to say Im cured - far from it
Ive given it 2 solid years of pretty much weekly visits, I have to look at something else soon for this persistent brain fog I still deal with - this is why Im keen to hear more about LDN
Thanks
Hey, I meant to say endocrine system. The lymphatic system is part of the endocrine system. Sorry for the mistake.
Raw beef daily supplements
Codeage organs 6
Swanson thyroid 1
Dr Ron's prostate 1
Peak performance bone complex 1
Diet
Omnivore
Organic when possible
Dairy
Organic milk
Frozen yogurt
Frozen entrees
Lean cuisine
Healthy choice
Amy's organics
Fruit
Raw organic
Juice
Goodbelly
Meat
Ballpark beef franks
Up north beef sticks
Jack link's beef jerky
Tyson chicken nuggets
Chicken or turkey sausage
Seafood
Soy free pouched albacore
Seapak frozen shrimp & soy free bbq sauce
Snacks
Hemp seeds
Soup
Campbell's chunky
Soy free deli
Panera Mac n cheese
Veggies
Canned, never raw, organic if possible
Wrongfully villified restaurants (Just avoid the sugar & aspartame--fat is GOOD.)
Bk
Tb
McD
Arby's
Wendy's
Acceptable cooking oil
Lard
Evco
Evoo
Butter
Tallow
Avocado
Macadamia
Unacceptable cooking oil
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Margarine
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Tuna salad
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Eggs
Alcohol
Caffeine
Tobacco
Deodorant
Swine products except ham
Artificial sweeteners (worse than sugar)
Bathroom products
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Above is my current program. Hasn't cured me but it seems to be producing a detox reaction. Will keep the board posted.
Keep us posted on whether Arbys is good or not....Lets not worry about LDN
seriously youre posting this when were on topic about autoimmune and endocrine system issues??
Am I wrong in asking to stay on topic and use some mindfulness when deciding what and when to post?!!
Am all for supporting everyone but come on
If you want to poison your body with a toxic pharmaceutical drug like naltrexone, that's your business. I'm interested in healing my body with God's natural creations.
I'm still with naturecrazy's theory that the drug is trapped in the body. The body is so damaged from it that its organs have forgotten how to function, which is why it remains trapped. Once you start infusing your body with the genetic intelligence of healthy, grass fed beef organs, you revitalize your own bodys organs, they start functioning properly again, and can start flushing accutane out of the body.
You said yourself that when the kinesiologist applies therapy to one part of your body, that body part improves, but you get worse in another area, as if you're simply pushing the drug around the body. That is actually what is happening.
When you consume 8 of the largest organs in the human body on a daily basis, you restore total body function and give accutane no place to hide. A little less ignorance and a little more open mindedness please.
I agree with TJ, Aarons' posts are a nuisance to even scroll through. I highly doubt anyone reads them. I could CARE LESS which fast food chain you went to the past week. I say we focus on actual developments to what we know, such as autoimmunity, and stop focusing on if a McDonalds Cheeseburger makes your symptoms 10% worse
My god you are ignorant. Everything I said about the healing ability of raw beef organs went right over your head. You deserve to suffer when you refuse to listen to ideas other than your own.
What got you into this mess? A toxic pharmaceutical drug. And so you stupidly think that yet another toxic pharmaceutical drug is going to solve all the problems created by the first toxic drug? Wow. It doesn't get much more ignorant than that.
Nausea, headache, dizziness, anxiety, tiredness, trouble sleeping, abdominal cramps, restlessness, bone/joint pain, muscle aches, and runny nose. Those are just a few of the effects naltrexone has on the human body. And your stupid ignorant ass wants to push that shit on the rest of us. No thanks.
A simple look at all the positive reviews on Amazon from thousands of people raving about the healing ability of raw beef organs should give you some insight.
From a second website: The reported side effects of naltrexone include:
sleep problems.
tiredness.
anxiety.
headache.
joint and muscle pains.
abdominal pain and cramps.
nausea.
vomiting.
34 minutes ago, Aaron76 said:If you want to poison your body with a toxic pharmaceutical drug like naltrexone, that's your business. I'm interested in healing my body with God's natural creations.
I'm still with naturecrazy's theory that the drug is trapped in the body. The body is so damaged from it that its organs have forgotten how to function, which is why it remains trapped. Once you start infusing your body with the genetic intelligence of healthy, grass fed beef organs, you revitalize your own bodys organs, they start functioning properly again, and can start flushing accutane out of the body.
You said yourself that when the kinesiologist applies therapy to one part of your body, that body part improves, but you get worse in another area, as if you're simply pushing the drug around the body. That is actually what is happening.
When you consume 8 of the largest organs in the human body on a daily basis, you restore total body function and give accutane no place to hide. A little less ignorance and a little more open mindedness please.
Aaron - not the point were trying to make.
Were all working on our own protocol, Im working with kinesiologist, youve got ur diet but youd agree investigating LDN is not wrong purely as a discussion point yeah? - no one is saying to run out today and buy it but lets stay on the subject for a bit.If Gunnersup has heard of a Tane victim having success with LDNwhats wrong with hearing more about it?
Youre clearly against LDN, thats cool, Ill take what youve said onboard.Still want to know more about it though from others to help build the story!
Im not necessarily worse in parts of the body as we try to improve an area. Its more on how the organs communicate with each other in kinesiology. For ex on last session when he tests lymphatic function, the body says ask the liver. When hes tried to fix gut before,it says askthe bowel - what Id conclude is that fixing anything requires a holistic approach, fixing lymphatic may involve continuing to work on the liver.The biggest question remains though - what is the source of ourproblems? - is it Vit A toxicity, is it Endocrine dysfunction or is there an Autoimmune issue at play.
Really keen to learn more about autoimmunity, its come up from several people and I think we should at least discuss it more if we can.
If youre right about the Beef organ supplement theory, Id be thinking you can eat all the Arbys you want. Keep us posted if ur theory works or not
Absolutely not. It's never been tried before. Doesn't bother me. Toxic pharmaceuticals are out of the question for me. Synthetic isolate vitamins minerals aminos and fatty acids are out of the question for me. Many herbs have been tried with little to no success. That leaves beef organs.
Are we plants or are we animals? We are animals. So how can we expect to restore our genetic integrity from plant based supplements? We can't. We must get that genetic intelligence back from healthy grass fed beef.
Your theory has merit IF its a toxicity issue at play but would beef supplements fix an autoimmune issue, one thats unique and from taking Accutane?
I cant test autoimmune issues with kinesiologist, it would require more blood work but even then if its unique to our situation you may not find the answers this way. I do know that Vit A toxicity can be tested via kinesiologist but Ive not had an issuewhen tested, nothing clear cut anyway
If the autoimmune issue stems from a dysfunctional organ, or multiple dysfunctional organs, then beef organs absolutely would correct that autoimmune condition by correcting the dysfunctional organ(s).
Dr Darren schmidt talks about autoimmunity and how beef intestines heals some of his patients. Those patients had a dysfunctional gut. I dont think beef intestines are necessary for us. Liver, kidney, heart, spleen, pancreas, thyroid, prostate, bone and marrow. Goodbelly probiotic juice is excellent for the gut health. As is organic kefir.
I don't have to worry about that because after all the research I've done over the years, i know this will work. I can already tell it's doing something big in my body based on the massive loose stools and pleasant mental effects I'm getting from it. I don't expect overnight results. I do expect miraculous results over the course of a month or more.
Dr Ron's, peak performance, ancestral supplements, and codeage all produce excellent multi organ supplements. There are other brands out there that have decent individual organs that aren't included in the multi organ bottle. Most are available on Amazon.
Beef intestines are available from Amazon. Trying to go without it due to price, and that I believe the problem can be resolved without it. But it is available. The key is balance. Don't overload on one organ and ignore the rest. Maintain balance, and get plenty of probiotic rich foods.
Allow me to humour the situation by saying this about supplements in general:
So the answer was there all along with supplements, we just had to wade thru 490 of them till we found theBeef Organ supplement....Is that what youre saying?
Youd agree itd be a miracle if this is all we had to stumble acrossto find the ultimate cure yeah? just asking
I wish you luck man but the odds are against us when it comes to supplements alone, thats coming from someone whos smashed thru hundreds of em....
Actually the answer wasn't there all along. High quality raw beef organs haven't really been available until recent years. Dr Ron's has been around the longest but they have zero marketing exposure. Ancestral supplements came along in 2017 and have had phenomenal success on amazon. Codeage came after ancestral, and then peak performance is the latest company.
The key is to not focus on just one organ, but go after 8 or more. And also include proper diet such as what I posted earlier today. Fast food fat is NOT harmful to us. Added sugar and artificial sweeteners ARE harmful to all of us.
If I were you taking this approach with the supplement, Id just take it daily, not even post anything for a while here. Report back in say6-9 months withanhonest answer on how you go with it.
Its assumed your diet is reasonable, assumed you exercise and get enough sleep etc etc. All that wed assume
Id just put my head down, work thru the process and give it that amount of time to prove that it works or not
Here are the organelles that are part of the endocrine system.
I am very skeptical that any sort of supplementation is going to cure retinoid toxicity. The body doesn't work like that. There might be certain deficiencies in the body due to a poison such as retinoid toxicity but the main problem is that the way that DNA is being transcribed into RNA has been altered by cis-13 retinoic acid and this can't be cured by adding supplements. This is how autoimmune disorder works. There is usually epigenetic modification.
Considering that the skin is part of the endocrine system and that one of the side effects is low testosterone and also, my adrenals are out of balance, it seems almost undeniable that isotetoin(Accutane) tampers with the endocrine system. I fear that it might kill stem cells in the endocrine system in which case we are really in trouble since Stem Cell replication for the most part only happens in the womb.
Scientists at this point DON'T KNOW WHY ISOTRETINOIN WORKS which really pisses me off. At this point we don't even know scientifically what has been altered. I am just giving you my best guess as to what the underlying causes are. Since post retinoid syndrome is fairly new and there hasn't been a lot of money invested into it, we don't have proven explanations yet.
The good new is that many autoimmune disorders can be cured through extreme water fasts. The catch though is that you will have to take 20-30 days out of your life and around $5000 to go to a supervised water fasting center in the United States of America. For certain epigenetic resets 40 days of water fasting in a row is required which seems really extreme.
Today was a really low moment when I was only able to make until about 7:00pm without eating. I realized that I would need external help in the form of supervised fasting in order to be able to succeed. When I made it 6 days without eating, I was using pseudoephedrine to repress my appetite. This by the way, helped significantly with my joint pain.
I heard the word mindfulness thrown out there so I also wanted to make a post about mindfulness. Isotretinoin causes dopamine deficiencies in the brain so part of what we are fighting is actually psychological. Defense mechanisms that we have known since our teenage years evaporate with the use of isotretinoin, some would call it not being ouselves but with the notion of being yourself, it is implied that you will eventually get back to being yourself but unfortunately this is not the case because our psychology has been altered.
Personally I am a very spiritual person and wanted to share a little about what I have learned. The ego tricks us into the identification with our suffering but we regain strength when we realize that this addiction to suffering happens unconsciously. When we put the light of attention on our unconscious resistance to and identification with our post retinoid sydrome , we alievate the suffering and experience inner peace. While life might be far less enjoyable, we still have the ability to accept the condition consciously rather than remain in unconscious resistance to our condition. By accepting our thoughts instead of being in resistance, we experience inner stillness rather than being emotionally absent. All we can do is surrender and let go of what we have done to ourselves or at least what we were mislead to do, what is done is done, let go of your past and accept the now!
It first felt as though the beef organs were producing a detox reaction, with loose stools, but I had to discontinue. later felt as though they were producing dehydration and kidney stress.
Vitamin c gummies produce a noticeable positive mental and physical effect that I do not get with vitamin c pills. It just feels like there is more movement in my gi tract, less stagnation. Can do an entire bottle of vitamin c gummies in one day no problem. Feels like my body's literally starving for it.
Just doing vitamin c gummies daily for now. Vitamin c is known to help with autoimmunity. Will keep the board posted.