It seems that at least a few people have had relief of symptoms by way of 'eliminating' the Accutane from their bodies.

There is the poster in this thread Chico, the guy who fasted for his ED, another person that posted saying a colon cleanse stopped his hairloss and I've read about a guy that recovered by way of LiverFlushes - so perhaps there is something to this theory the Accutane still remains.

Perhaps you could ease into the fasting? Try intermittent fasting (eating your meals within 8 hours or less), then for a whole day, 3 , 7, 10 etc?

Good luck mate.

texasboy - all my sympathy is with you, even after only 9 days of taking it... but nothing failes to amaze me now just how destructive Accutane is...

Indigo - You'll have to count me out of the fasting - I just wouldn't be able to do it. Good luck if you do give it a go!

I haven;t mentioned this before because I do't beleive much about it, a month ago i saw a post saying they did bioenergetic testing which showed accutane in there system, and after doing ion footbaths or something like that, the computer showed it had removed all the accutane from the body. i don't beleive removing any toxin can be that simple, but as Milano mentioned thoeies of Accutane still being in the body, I thought i may as well mention it.

I haven't posted much here recently because i don't know what else to say about acutane! Indifo - you are right from a prev post on spreading the word, and i'll watch your vid in a moment.. But i've sen you and many others get absolutely flamed, or at best just ignored, for sayng a bad word about accutane in the pre-accutane advice posts, which is why i haven't ever posted in those threads, and is why it's hard to spread the word this way - you get absoluetly no thanks for it. You briefly mentioned it, I'm sure The Sun have "email us a story" options and I'm sure if someone put together a damning yet credible stroy about there Accutane expereicne and the dangers, something could be built upon, and this is the only real way of getting the info out there.. on a national level. Newspapers love contrevercy, they liek highlighting dangers of drugs and we know Accutane suicides are not new to them. They just need to know a more indepth report on the dangers of Accutane from those still living who have taken it....

On 10/3/2011 at 8:59 PM, IndigoRush said:

Hi Guys.

Any thoughts on fasting in order to heal the side effects?

I saw someone post a reply in one of the Erectile dysfunction topics saying that he'd managed to cure symptoms caused by 'tane.

By the sounds of it he was doing a straight month without any food (sounds tough) and saw roughly a 25% decrease in symptoms each time.

Fasting is super safe I know. Your body has the energy it needs stored in body fat, so you won't die until your a skeleton.

But, it does sound difficult. I'm sure you'd get away with having soup/ herbal teas while doing it, but still - Food is awesome.

If there's a chance of it helping/fixing my problems though, count me in! I'm sure you'll agree.

I'm going to see a nutritionist soon to do come tests on me, so I'll run in by her.

But it makes sense and fits with what Chico has said in these posts.

He says accutane is stored in skin cells.

I assume that by fasting, your body will start to use the accutane up and the organs won't have any tasks to do so can focus on healing.

Thoughts?

Anyone want to give it a go before I do?

It depends, really. If you wanna give it a go, try intermittent fasting (IF); it's really effortless and beneficial when done right and can be eased into rather easily:

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Thanks Spy dude.

Man, I've had one of those shitty nights (at acting, with anxiety).

Think I'll just sleep on it.

Maybe down some packs of painkillers beforehand.

I'm kidding... kinda.

No problem, mate! I've been having a couple of issues with sleep lately myself (inconsistent timing mainly) so I ordered some Melatonin over the weekend to help -- should be here within a few days! I've noticed that you're from the UK as well; if you ever need supplements that you have a hard time finding in Europe (because of our excessively strict regulation laws), give http://www.iherb.com/ a shot. They have incredibly good prices on there and the shipping is amazing (takes up to 10 days to deliver to the UK); there's not one supplement that I've heard of that I haven't found on there. I tend to buy Now Foods supplements as they're really well-received by the majority of people (including me). Feel free to use this coupon code as well (Removed) to get $5 off your first order (this applies to anyone else who's interested: I think it's unlimited in duration).

Try reading around that site I gave you as well (Removed). I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at what you'll find!

Thanks man

I've seen iHerb before. I often look on there for product reviews, before I buy anything.

Only problem for me is, I've tried dozens of supplements and not seen any difference lol.

But, like Thomas Edison said: I haven't failed 500 times. I'm closer to the answer now. (Something like that).

Perhaps one day I'll find something that works for me.

I see my herbalist tomorrow and will book in with a nutritionist on Monday, who says she can run some tests.

I've heard many people have low DHEA (or something) which shows adrenal fatigue, which would help explain lack of energy.

I'll check out Mark's daily apple

Cheers

For adrenal fatigue it's mainly about correcting the way you eat, taking a few beneficial supplements and having a LOT of rest. I recommend The Mood Cure by Julia Ross when it comes to giving you a bit more optimism; I'm definitely brighter after taking 5-HTP and L-tyrosine, for example. Just remember that supplements are only there as extras and to fill any gaps; have the core stuff taken care of such as your diet and sleeping habits, then try to branch out into supplementation. London has some incredibly schizophrenic weather, so I supplement with Vitamin D for the majority of the year for lacking sunshine. Omega 3 fish oil (NOT Cod Liver oil, which contains Vitamin A) really helps with the joints too, I find. One last recommendation I'll make with supplements that I think everyone can benefit from is Magnesium (Citrate is generally the best type for its effectiveness, price and availability); it'll help you with your anxiety, relax your muscles and probably improve your sleep. Those 3 are the main ones that everyone can do with; the rest is often available in sufficient quantities through food.

The Mood Cure also has a directory at the back with UK based doctors who specialise in adrenal fatigue, thyroid tests and so on. There're a lot of resources available and it goes into a lot of detail which can definitely help you out.

haha, British weather sucks (despite last weeks heat wave)

I used to take Vitamin D every day (5000iu) but it didn't seem to make a difference, so I stopped.

Chico, on this board, also mentioned fat soluble supplements may not be absorbed, but who knows.

I've heard of that book before, so maybe I'll give it a go, but I have read a ton of self help books.

Some are helpful.

My favourite author so far is Michael Neill. He's a cool guy.

Some of the books are written too professionally.

He's more laid back, but is one of the biggest life coaches in the world.

Recently, I read 'Be your own life coach' which is another good'un.

Funny that you mention Magnesium Citrate as I recently purchased some.

I was taking Magnesium tablets but didn't notice anything and I have doubts about whether tablets get absorbed correctly, unless your digestive system is running smoothly (which mine probably isn't).

I'm not sure about Omega 3.

A lot of 'taners (I made that one up) say it doesn't help, but can make things worse.

I recently took 2 a day of a very expensive brand and it didn't do anything for me.

I've taken cheaper ones off eBay before.

I guess people benefit differently.

Hopefully some tests will help me to find what I'm lacking, and what might help.

Don't fast... You'll make things worse. Your body is compromised already. If you starve it of the nutrition it needs, you may find yourself in deeper dismay.

Natural homeopathy is where you need to look at now.

Like it was pointed out, almost all of your symptoms are from 1 thing, Anxiety and Panic Disorder. I know, I have it because of the Accutane.

Anxiety can be conquered unless our neural pathways have been physically damaged. Anxiety works by triggering excessive amounts of adrenaline which diverts rational thinking into flight or fight response. Since there is no context for your brain to go into fight or flight, it sits in a standby mode waiting. But because of all of that adrenaline that has no where to go you wind up getting nervous, clammy hands, dizziness, joint pains, muscle pains, headache, etc... Now put that response into action 24/7. It is going to screw with your nervous system. Fast on top of that.... Kinda silly if you ask me.

Waking up in cold sweats at night?

Cant regulate your body temperature sometimes?

All anxiety disorder.

 

Homeopathy is not natural and should under no circumstances be confused with herbalism or other plausible therapies.

I agree that fasting is is a bad idea, but advising people to use homeopathic treatments for anything is also misguided and in calling it "natural", misleading.

In homeopathy "remedy" is used only to refer to a preparation as opposed to the traditional understanding of the word meaning a treatment or medicine.

All too often people seem to confuse homeopathy with herbalism. The difference being that herbal drugs can be proven to work based on the fundamental principles of science, where as homeopathy relies on the negation of two hundred years of progress.

A "30C" homeopathic solution would require a novemdecillion - one with sixty zeros - molecules of water in order to contain a single molecule of the original substance. The capsule for this solution would be billions of times the size of Earth. And I know, homeopaths will then refer one to the concept of water memory. A concept which has no basis or plausible explanation.

The vast majority of studies have shown homeopathy to be utterly defunct in every sense of the word. Not because there is anything wrong with alternative medicine, but because homeopathy is not medicine at all.

If you use that stuff fair enough, but I think it's dangerous to brand it "natural" which it's blatantly not, or advise it's use in a place in which people who are sometimes desperate and in need of real answers come to look for advice.

There is examples in every direction of people swearing by homeopathy in everyday life but only looking for the answer they want to hear. So much so that there are numerous cases of people suffering from serious diseases who stuck by the quackery and paid with their lives. Including an awful case of a young women with breast cancer which was published in the Guardian a while back. She died of course, but not without dressing the wounds of her now fist sized, protruding tumour with a homeopathic paste based in - allegedly - honey and various other substances.

Agree 100% on homeopathy; it's nothing more but a scam that needs to be dropped by society.

If you don't have a lot of money for supplements, you can try 100% cherry juice, it's a natural melatonin. I had severe insomina for 6 months, tried it and it helped.

Agree w/ Spy on the Magnesium and Vit D, don't think though Indigo that you need 5000 i.u.'s maybe try the liquid form, Been taking it for years since Accutane!

So what you mean is it exacerbates side effects?

Because you said it was "toxic"....even though I don't have any major lasting effects from my two courses of Tane, I'd like to know if a supplement I'm taking is "toxic"...........

"Toxic" and only bad for those with lasting side effects are two very different things. Toxicity would occur in both patients who responded well to the drug and in those who didn't...toxic is toxic.

Don't think there's much to your claim anyway. I and several post-Tane friends take Omega-3 supplements. I'm also a nurse...no "toxic" signs or symptoms here or in my friends.

Homeopathy is not natural and should under no circumstances be confused with herbalism or other plausible therapies.

Homeopathy might not be the right context, but the tools are.

Indigo, I was prescribed Zoloft by my primary care doc for my panic attacks, but it does not help with the persistent anxiety much. For this, I drink Kava Kava extract tea to help calm my nerves. A couple drops on the tongue helps right away and then drinking the tea will settle me for a few hours.

Drink plenty of Pomegranate juice, Cherry juice, Lemon juice, and cut out the coffee, alcohol, and any other stimulants. It helps, mildly.

So what you mean is it exacerbates side effects?

Because you said it was "toxic"....even though I don't have any major lasting effects from my two courses of Tane, I'd like to know if a supplement I'm taking is "toxic"...........

"Toxic" and only bad for those with lasting side effects are two very different things. Toxicity would occur in both patients who responded well to the drug and in those who didn't...toxic is toxic.

Don't think there's much to your claim anyway. I and several post-Tane friends take Omega-3 supplements. I'm also a nurse...no "toxic" signs or symptoms here or in my friends.

 

1. Quote " I don't have any major long lasting side effects from Accutane" Then why would you come in this thread and try agrue with someone who has for years???? Basically I was telling you that omega 3 doesn't apply to you!!!!!!!!

2. Quote " I am a Nurse" So, my husband is a physican what does being a nurse have to do with it??? Omega 3 good for you not good for me and numerous other Accutane suffers (not saying all). If your so interested in suffers issues with Omega 3 go do your own research it's around this board and others my friend.

People please read the topic of this thread it for thoose who are suffering from Accutane and have long term damage! Have some respect for thoose who are suffering and not come on this thread and try and ask questions,try and debate & be rude! There is a debate thread for that! If you are not suffering this thread does not apply to you

Hi, i've been an accutane sufferer for quite a few years and i've been living miserably. i just want to say i support this forum. i've been keeping up on this thread for a while and i like the discussion going on. i only wish i had something i could contribute . anyways I need all the help i can get. the main problems i want to fix are IBS (have constant bloating everyday) and concentration problems. tho i do understand IBS is really NOT an easy thing to fix judging from all the information on the web

Alright, alright enough. Oli girl is right in terms of it doesn't make any sense why people who have nothing to do with this forum get involved.

And cool guy, if you wanted, you could see a Nutritionist who can analyse your poop.

I think they're able to see what's going on.

They could also see if you have any allergies

Lindsey - If anyone is being rude it's you, and your last post was completely uncalled for. You said "Don't think there's much to your claim anyway".... haven't you read between pages 1-3 of this topic? There's about 6 people all saying they react badly to olive oil. If you had done your research you would of known this already. I don't undertand why you have come here trying to argue against real peoples experiences and effects with this drug.

She was nice

Alright, alright enough. Oli girl is right in terms of it doesn't make any sense why people who have nothing to do with this forum get involved.

And cool guy, if you wanted, you could see a Nutritionist who can analyse your poop.

I think they're able to see what's going on.

They could also see if you have any allergies

 

i already sent my stools in for lab tests. that was last year. results were that nothing was wrong. fukin useless lab reports. thanks but i'm pretty sure it's nothing to do with allergies. i have never had any allergy problems. i've not noticed any foods that have made my problem worse. it's just this damn,constant, everyday bloating. it's accutane related that's for sure. and i'm not taking any B.S. from doctors that say it's not accutane related or even more ridiculous, psychological. i know doctors will say it's psychological (like just in your head) to avoid responsibility. i'll bet my money on that it's IBS. and this IBS has really taken away my appreciation of life. I don't want to live like this forever

I know how you feel. I feel like I died the moment I took this drug and am now living as an imposter. What I would do to turn back time! It makes me so angry sometimes just thinking about it all - how something that can make me this bad be allowed to be given to me, or anyone else!

Indigo - I saw you video and your previous post about that Accutane book. I want to read it but it seems like it's for the Kindle. Do you know if it's possible to buy the book and open it on Adobe Reader so it can be printed out?

You can get a Kindle app for laptops and newer phones I believe.

The author actually ends up talking about his personal life more than Accutane, so you needn't read it unless you're curious.

I knew Roche were a bad business before hand. It just confirmed it further

Just curious, IndigoRush, have you had your thyroid functions checked? a lot of your symptoms could be thyroid problems. I'm not saying that accutane didn't do this, but It's worth exploring other causes (and your thyroid could be a serious one!)

Hi guys, i read most of your posts and appreciate the contributions. I am personally suffering most of these side effects. During Accutane i had severe back pains and all the other common side effects. It has been 2 years since i stopped Accutane, and while it worked, my lips are still dry, a some hair loss, mainly eyebrows and eyelids and occasional back pains which are all minor problems. What i really suffer from is the increasing joint pain, and recently wrist and fingers pain that feels like symptoms of arthritis. It is not excruciating pain and i do have a high threshold for pain, but it does get annoying. I'm only 21 and i feel like i'm 60 sometimes. But worse of all is i have been experiencing symptoms of IBD this whole time. I don't want to say i have it since i never got it checked so i have not been diagnosed with it yet but it usually runs a waxing and waning course in the intensity and severity of illness. When the disease is in an active stage there is probably inflammation and i would experience a flare-up of the condition. When the degree of inflammation is less there is usually no symptoms, and the disease is in remission.

These long term side effects are very real and i feel are extremely understated. Right now i am just wondering if there are people who suffered these long term side effects and went through the joint pains and IBD but eventually had everything go away with time? I know there are people who live with it permanently, but i wonder for many more people do the side effects go away after 5 or 10 years.

Just curious, IndigoRush, have you had your thyroid functions checked? a lot of your symptoms could be thyroid problems. I'm not saying that accutane didn't do this, but It's worth exploring other causes (and your thyroid could be a serious one!)

 

Hi there.

Been down that route and apparantly my thyroid has no problems.

I'm doing a lot of the figuring out myself these days and my own analysis is this:

I wake up tired as fuck in the morning.

It's adrenal fatigue caused by an extreme stress on the liver (accutane).

Fix the liver, fix the fatigue.

That's my goal at the moment.

I'll report back once I've reached it

Do you know how your doctor tested it, IndigoRush? Apparently the majority test for TSH, which is the wrong thing to examine as it only acts as a 'messenger' as opposed to directly correlating with thyroid function. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ is friggin' brilliant for looking up thyroid and adrenal fixes. Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L. Wilson has been recommended to me by countless people, so I'll pick this up soon as well. It seems to be the go-to resource for adrenal problems, just like how Stop The Thyroid Madness is for thyroid issues.

I know how you feel, though; I consistently get 9-10 hours of sleep every night and wake up feeling like a dead man walking; constantly in a brain fog, absolutely drained and my mood obviously takes a hit as well. However, all of these symptoms were present BEFORE I took Accutane -- the reason why I had such severe, cystic acne in the first place is because my sleep has been appalling for the past 4 years, and I'm STILL trying to figure it out. I was depressed, mentally clouded and absolutely exhausted before I even considered Accutane, so I highly doubt this is an irreversible thing, y'know? This is why I'm looking forward to receiving my Melatonin in the post (should be here by Wednesday ), because it's another step-forward in my recovery. Next on my agenda is allergy testing, sleep apnea testing (I'm thin so this is unlikely, but I need peace of mind about this), adrenal recovery and finally thyroid tests. My diet is in order, I'm taking beneficial supplements and I'm eliminating plenty of factors as time goes by.

There's just no way I'm going to live my life like this. I don't have a job (on JSA, frankly), but I'm still saving up for these things in order to get back to my optimal health. Once I crack it, I'll give you all the information and advice you need in explicit detail; nobody deserves to live like this, so let's keep truckin' until it's figured out.