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Mightbe good for some of us to get some Vit A tests again
I know theyrehard to get and theres various types - I had a hard enough time 3 weeks ago getting GP to sign off on testing D, she asked way too many questions.
Turns out Im only at 52 - I fucken death stared her when that result came back, got the audacity to question why I want it tested, Ionly go to GP to get blood work - theyve really got no fucken idea many of them outside of giving a referral or signing off on pathology tests.
Why do you want D tested sir? Why do you fucken think......ahh you all know the frustration. My levels should be higher than 52 for fuck sake.
If you want to rebuild bodysee a great kinesiologist imo
32 minutes ago, Calcified said:I think what Francisco is saying is that guys book says low iron = low VA.
Also Fransisco is probably not aware Vitamin A deficiency increases bile, which has been mentioned by under_tow and I have experienced this myself.
Thanks, I thought just the oposite, Vitamin A is needed to increase bile. So maybe that is why low Vit A diet Works, increasing bile kill all bad bacteria or yeast in the gut. I suppose these microorganism eat sugar and gluten, that is what I`m doing free gluten and sugar diet and colesterol and inflamation decreased a lot. In fact reutamologist told me in JanuearyI have no arthritis now and no inflamation
17 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:Mightbe good for some of us to get some Vit A tests again
I know theyrehard to get and theres various types - I had a hard enough time 3 weeks ago getting GP to sign off on testing D, she asked way too many questions.
Turns out Im only at 52 - I fucken death stared her when that result came back, got the audacity to question why I want it tested, Ionly go to GP to get blood work - theyve really got no fucken idea many of them outside of giving a referral or signing off on pathology tests.
Why do you want D tested sir? Why do you fucken think......ahh you all know the frustration. My levels should be higher than 52 for fuck sake.
If you want to rebuild bodysee a great kinesiologist imo
My GP is helpful, he tests everything I want basically. My D level are also 50, which I'm happy with as they were 20. I don't want them any higher as A might be too low.
In regards to vit A I get retinol tested. It's not totally accurate but its good to know what it's doing.
I do feel like there's some sort of retinoid resistance at play.
With pancreas being less effective, part of its job is to release enzymes which break down food
reason why we might have parasites and bugs etc is due to large intestine having too much undigested food in it
A good functioning pancreas will produce the right amount of enzymes to help break food down properly
1 hour ago, Francisco..Blanquez said:Thanks, I thought just the oposite, Vitamin A is needed to increase bile. So maybe that is why low Vit A diet Works, increasing bile kill all bad bacteria or yeast in the gut. I suppose these microorganism eat sugar and gluten, that is what I`m doing free gluten and sugar diet and colesterol and inflamation decreased a lot. In fact reutamologist told me in JanuearyI have no arthritis now and no inflamation
Vitamin A can be anti inflammatory.
2 hours ago, Francisco..Blanquez said:Thanks, I thought just the oposite, Vitamin A is needed to increase bile. So maybe that is why low Vit A diet Works, increasing bile kill all bad bacteria or yeast in the gut. I suppose these microorganism eat sugar and gluten, that is what I`m doing free gluten and sugar diet and colesterol and inflamation decreased a lot. In fact reutamologist told me in JanuearyI have no arthritis now and no inflamation
Vitamin A decreases bile output, this makes the body absorb less vitamin A and D to protect us.
Iron/ferritin overload or deficiency could be caused by excess vitamin A
Donating blood helps
So if you want vitamin D problems, iron problems and bile problems, consume lots of cod liver oil, sweet potatoes, liver, dairy and eggs.
1 hour ago, under_tow said:Vitamin A decreases bile output, this makes the body absorb less vitamin A and D to protect us.
Iron/ferritin overload or deficiency could be caused by excess vitamin A
Donating blood helps
So if you want vitamin D problems, iron problems and bile problems, consume lots of cod liver oil, sweet potatoes, liver, dairy and eggs.
Interesting, maybe that's why when a study I read supplementing palmitate, retinoic acid levels stopped climbing after 6 months. I thought it might have been a developed retinoid resistance, like increased catabolism, never considered a bile thing. Again, very interesting.
Hello everyone. How are you all managing depression and anxiety post Accutane? Its been almost five years since Ive taken Accutane, which has caused my depression and anxiety. It has gotten worse so Im thinking of taking taking anti-depressants and medications for anxiety but Im scared this is the same exact mistake I did when taking Accutane. Sometimes I think that those medications will help me as my depression and anxiety are medically induced, but sometimes I worry this will just worsen my symptoms or temporarily mask my depression while aggravating my other symptoms (such as memory loss). This is why Id appreciate to know your experiences with taking anti-depressants or anti-anxiety medications (if you did) post Accutane and if you recommend it.
7 hours ago, under_tow said:Vitamin A decreases bile output, this makes the body absorb less vitamin A and D to protect us.
Iron/ferritin overload or deficiency could be caused by excess vitamin A
Donating blood helps
So if you want vitamin D problems, iron problems and bile problems, consume lots of cod liver oil, sweet potatoes, liver, dairy and eggs.
Thx for posting
I dont touch those things yet I still currently have issues with Iron and Vit D!?
Some Introduction: I started using accutane at 13 yo and after 13 years of post accutane the symptoms worsened. However 15days ago I stopped eating meat (I just removed 4 wisdom teeth and ate only vegetable soup and potatoes for several days) and miraculously my mouth started to produce more saliva and my skin get more hydrated(it's not enough yet, but it gives me hope)
After reading some comments here and a video of Loren Lockman on Youtube Im thinking seriously about doing this:
1 Prepare the liver (liver flush, bile acids, TUDCA)
2
2.1 Low Vitamin A Diet (nothing from animal origin, except for egg white)
My ideal diet is egg white, rice or potato, brazilian nuts, coconut oil, some vegetables
Suplements: Vit C, D, E, B's, Zinc
2.2 Gym (in order to achieve a low percentage of fat)
3 When the goal of item 2.2 is achieved start fasting with medical supervision
My weigh is 45 kg. I thought about making the low vit A diet up to 40 kg and then fasting up to 35 kg
Is it really necessary to make the low vitamin A diet for 1 or 2 years?
I'm sorry for the bad english =(
33 minutes ago, Victoria845 said:Some Introduction: I started using accutane at 13 yo and after 13 years of post accutane the symptoms worsened. However 15days ago I stopped eating meat (I just removed 4 wisdom teeth and ate only vegetable soup and potatoes for several days) and miraculously my mouth started to produce more saliva and my skin get more hydrated(it's not enough yet, but it gives me hope)
After reading some comments here and a video of Loren Lockman on Youtube Im thinking seriously about doing this:
1 Prepare the liver (liver flush, bile acids, TUDCA)
2
2.1 Low Vitamin A Diet (nothing from animal origin, except for egg white)
My ideal diet is egg white, rice or potato, brazilian nuts, coconut oil, some vegetables
Suplements: Vit C, D, E, B's, Zinc
2.2 Gym (in order to achieve a low percentage of fat)
3 When the goal of item 2.2 is achieved start fasting with medical supervision
My weigh is 45 kg. I thought about making the low vit A diet up to 40 kg and then fasting up to 35 kg
Is it really necessary to make the low vitamin A diet for 1 or 2 years?
I'm sorry for the bad english =(
Sounds like you already have low body fat, do you wear makeup with vitamin A in it?
5 hours ago, Victoria845 said:Some Introduction: I started using accutane at 13 yo and after 13 years of post accutane the symptoms worsened. However 15days ago I stopped eating meat (I just removed 4 wisdom teeth and ate only vegetable soup and potatoes for several days) and miraculously my mouth started to produce more saliva and my skin get more hydrated(it's not enough yet, but it gives me hope)
After reading some comments here and a video of Loren Lockman on Youtube Im thinking seriously about doing this:
1 Prepare the liver (liver flush, bile acids, TUDCA)
2
2.1 Low Vitamin A Diet (nothing from animal origin, except for egg white)
My ideal diet is egg white, rice or potato, brazilian nuts, coconut oil, some vegetables
Suplements: Vit C, D, E, B's, Zinc
2.2 Gym (in order to achieve a low percentage of fat)
3 When the goal of item 2.2 is achieved start fasting with medical supervision
My weigh is 45 kg. I thought about making the low vit A diet up to 40 kg and then fasting up to 35 kg
Is it really necessary to make the low vitamin A diet for 1 or 2 years?
I'm sorry for the bad english =(
A word of caution- Tudca may not be what you need. I took a bottle in on kinesiology visit and my body was rejecting it
Same this week when I took in digestive aid. Kinesiologist was surprised as the ingredients are good and Im in middle of working on gut so ordinarily youd think my body would needing the aid- thats just how it goes with this type of work though.
Other things taken in such as Vit D my body has responded well to just to prove it can work the other way too.
The point here is, what we may think our bodies need isnt always clear cut. Ive experimented with all sorts of stuff over the years thinking these are things I need - not always so straightforward unfortunately
15 hours ago, TrueJustice said:I dont touch those things yet I still currently have issues with Iron and Vit D!?
The problem is that the only food that has basically zero VA is white rice. All other foods contain precursors(carotenoids); Cryptoxanthin, Lutein, Zeaxanthin, Lycopene, etc... hundreds of different kinds.
Example, removing wheat is not about removing gluten, its about removing glyphosate and lutein/zeaxanthin. Those two carotenoids are potent VA agitators, and Roundup blocks VA breakdown.
Unless you eat only white rice for 3 meals a day, you have vitamin A coming in, fruits, veggs, pork, dairy, etc.. this keeps our fat soluble stored accutane(retinoic acid) in place and unchecked most likely, causing all our symptoms(along with vitD and iron dis-regulation).
Also every bit of VA you take in get turned into accutane(13-cis) or other forms of retinoic acid before it is excreted.
Also putting VA forms on our skin, retinol makeup, RetinA, pro-vitaminA, beta-carotene, is probably the worst way, as the body cannot filter this inbound VA properly, no defense.
10 hours ago, Victoria845 said:My ideal diet is egg white, rice or potato, brazilian nuts, coconut oil, some vegetables
Keep the vegetables pale or white and of root form and you should get results. white cabbage, parsnips, celery root, white cauliflower, onions, garlic, etc. Peeled apple, peeled pears, white fruits can be OK as well, depending on symptoms.
Short or long water fasts are very good at removing stored vitamin A.
20 hours ago, Mabbbs said:Hello everyone. How are you all managing depression and anxiety post Accutane? Its been almost five years since Ive taken Accutane, which has caused my depression and anxiety. It has gotten worse so Im thinking of taking taking anti-depressants and medications for anxiety but Im scared this is the same exact mistake I did when taking Accutane. Sometimes I think that those medications will help me as my depression and anxiety are medically induced, but sometimes I worry this will just worsen my symptoms or temporarily mask my depression while aggravating my other symptoms (such as memory loss). This is why Id appreciate to know your experiences with taking anti-depressants or anti-anxiety medications (if you did) post Accutane and if you recommend it.
I haven't really been on anti depressants only benzos to aid sleep. I take it when pain is bad and need to get sleep. I don't have memory loss, but I'm not sure about long-term issues.
Any progress with your joints and cortisol issues?
Hi,
I am here to share my positive experience about how I am recovering from accutane side effects.
I am on Nutritional Balancing program as well as some people who used to write on this forum and then stopped (has some of them healed and lost interest to join the forum discussions?)
I will now list here my nutritional balancing program protocol.
But please if you are interested, just have your hair analysis test (all start from there) under review of a nutritionist as the protocol MUST BE PERSONALISED for each person. You can find some nutritionist on Youtube.
Here my post-accutane symptoms: fatigue (even after 5 minute reading; especially in the afternoon and outside at nights), blurred vision, depression, negative thoughts, loss of libido, tendency to gain weight, ibs, bloating, constipation, anxiety, brain fog and loss of short term memory.
Soon after accutane, I also had strong head pressure, face turning red on stessful situations, sun/artificial light sensitivity and headache: however, they disappeared much time before the nutritional balancing program and thanks to iboprufene/b12/omega3/benzidiazepine therapy as prescribed by doctors.
Here below the Nutritional balancing progam as recommended to me:
Diet:
80% veggies - 3 times per day (red cabbage, cauliflowers, green beans, leeks, carrots, Bruxelles spruts, onions and baby broccoli)
Meat (2 times per day) (chicken tights, lamb, turkey, organic beef)
Humus (1 spoon with veggies), roasted almond butter (1/2 spoons per day)
Blu corn tortillas (3/4 times per day)
Quinoa/Millet (only 2 times per week)
Rye/wholemeal bread (only 2 times per week)
Goat cheese and goat yogurt (only 2 times per week)
5 cans of Sardinas per week.
1 carrot juice glass per day
2.3lt of water per day
Forbidden foods:
cakes, fruits, wheat, rice, fish (except sardinas), sweets, alcohol, soda or other drinks.
General supplements:
Kelp (kelp 600mcg, iodine 0.6mg)
6 x day
Leitichin (1200mg) very good for anxiety (Now brand is very good)
Tmg (500mg)
Selenium acid chelate (100mcg)
3 x day
Endo-met lab supplements:
Megapan (vit A palmitate 300mcg, vit C 200mcg, vit d3 1.25mcg, vit E 40mg, vit b1 20mg, vit b2 4mg, vit b3 20mg, vit b6 10mg, folate 400mcg, vit b12 400mcg, biotin 10mcg, panthotenic acid 20mg, iodine 115mcg, magnesium 30mg, zinc 2mg, selenium 50mcg, manganese 2mg, chromium 200mcg, potassium 30mg, pectin cellulose 10mg, citrus bioflavonois 10mg)
3 pills x day
Gb 3 (ox bile 112mg, pancreatin 160mg and black radish 130mg)
3 pills x day
Paramin (vit d 3.325mcg, calcium 200mg, magnesium complex 120mg, boron 500mcg)
3 pills x day
Limcomin (vit A palmitate 225mcg, vit c 50mg, vit b6 10mg, magnesium 20mg, zinc 8mg, copper 0.75mg, manganese 5mg)
3 pills x day
Thyro-complex (iodine 900mcg, raw thiroid conc 60mg, raw adrenal conc 30mg, raw pituitary conc 10mg, raw spleen conc 10mg, kelp 180mg)
6 pills x day
Facultative: 5-htp
Further mandatory activities:
Foot reflexology 20 mins per day (10minxfoot)
Infrared sauna with 1 bulb on abdomen/liver (1 per day for 40 mins)
1 coffe enema p/w (1 per day recommended)
Meditation 10 mins p/d (1hr p/d recommended)
Spinal twist and pull neck (1 per day)
Results after 4 months:
Fatigue - extremely reduced (when I start feeling it, and it's not as strong as before, I recover in less than 1 min of resting my mind)
Anxiety - extremely reduced, I would say nearly removed
Depression - gone
Brain fog - gone
Negative thoughts - gone
Blurred vision - improvements
Loss of short term memory - extremely improved
Loss of libido - extremely improved
Ibs/bloating/constipation - extremely improved
I ve lost weight as well and my self-esteem is increasing. Moreover, I have much more energy than even before I took accutane.
I ve never had some of the accutane most common side effects such as dry skin and dry eyes. No idea if the program can help.
Basically this diet aims at restoring your chemical balance, heal your liver, your glands and recover from adrenal exhaustion (which can be caused by drugs as well).
I wanted to post this as I am seeing that many people on this forum are playing on being the doctor of themselves.
As you can see the situation can be much more complicated than what you think.
In the end, wasting money on supplements alone is much less wise than spending some money under the supervision of a professional.
I hope it will be in some way helpful sharing my experience.
Kind regards and heal!
17 hours ago, Flondon said:Hi,
I am here to share my positive experience about how I am recovering from accutane side effects.
I am on Nutritional Balancing program as well as some people who used to write on this forum and then stopped (has some of them healed and lost interest to join the forum discussions?)
I will now list here my nutritional balancing program protocol.
But please if you are interested, just have your hair analysis test (all start from there) under review of a nutritionist as the protocol MUST BE PERSONALISED for each person. You can find some nutritionist on Youtube.
Here my post-accutane symptoms: fatigue (even after 5 minute reading; especially in the afternoon and outside at nights), blurred vision, depression, negative thoughts, loss of libido, tendency to gain weight, ibs, bloating, constipation, anxiety, brain fog and loss of short term memory.
Soon after accutane, I also had strong head pressure, face turning red on stessful situations, sun/artificial light sensitivity and headache: however, they disappeared much time before the nutritional balancing program and thanks to iboprufene/b12/omega3/benzidiazepine therapy as prescribed by doctors.
Here below the Nutritional balancing progam as recommended to me:
Diet:
80% veggies - 3 times per day (red cabbage, cauliflowers, green beans, leeks, carrots, Bruxelles spruts, onions and baby broccoli)
Meat (2 times per day) (chicken tights, lamb, turkey, organic beef)
Humus (1 spoon with veggies), roasted almond butter (1/2 spoons per day)
Blu corn tortillas (3/4 times per day)
Quinoa/Millet (only 2 times per week)
Rye/wholemeal bread (only 2 times per week)Goat cheese and goat yogurt (only 2 times per week)
5 cans of Sardinas per week.
1 carrot juice glass per day
2.3lt of water per day
Forbidden foods:
cakes, fruits, wheat, rice, fish (except sardinas), sweets, alcohol, soda or other drinks.General supplements:
Kelp (kelp 600mcg, iodine 0.6mg)
6 x day
Leitichin (1200mg) very good for anxiety (Now brand is very good)
Tmg (500mg)
Selenium acid chelate (100mcg)
3 x day
Endo-met lab supplements:
Megapan (vit A palmitate 300mcg, vit C 200mcg, vit d3 1.25mcg, vit E 40mg, vit b1 20mg, vit b2 4mg, vit b3 20mg, vit b6 10mg, folate 400mcg, vit b12 400mcg, biotin 10mcg, panthotenic acid 20mg, iodine 115mcg, magnesium 30mg, zinc 2mg, selenium 50mcg, manganese 2mg, chromium 200mcg, potassium 30mg, pectin cellulose 10mg, citrus bioflavonois 10mg)
3 pills x day
Gb 3 (ox bile 112mg, pancreatin 160mg and black radish 130mg)
3 pills x day
Paramin (vit d 3.325mcg, calcium 200mg, magnesium complex 120mg, boron 500mcg)
3 pills x day
Limcomin (vit A palmitate 225mcg, vit c 50mg, vit b6 10mg, magnesium 20mg, zinc 8mg, copper 0.75mg, manganese 5mg)
3 pills x day
Thyro-complex (iodine 900mcg, raw thiroid conc 60mg, raw adrenal conc 30mg, raw pituitary conc 10mg, raw spleen conc 10mg, kelp 180mg)
6 pills x day
Facultative: 5-htp
Further mandatory activities:
Foot reflexology 20 mins per day (10minxfoot)
Infrared sauna with 1 bulb on abdomen/liver (1 per day for 40 mins)
1 coffe enema p/w (1 per day recommended)
Meditation 10 mins p/d (1hr p/d recommended)
Spinal twist and pull neck (1 per day)Results after 4 months:
Fatigue - extremely reduced (when I start feeling it, and it's not as strong as before, I recover in less than 1 min of resting my mind)
Anxiety - extremely reduced, I would say nearly removed
Depression - gone
Brain fog - gone
Negative thoughts - gone
Blurred vision - improvements
Loss of short term memory - extremely improved
Loss of libido - extremely improved
Ibs/bloating/constipation - extremely improvedI ve lost weight as well and my self-esteem is increasing. Moreover, I have much more energy than even before I took accutane.
I ve never had some of the accutane most common side effects such as dry skin and dry eyes. No idea if the program can help.
Basically this diet aims at restoring your chemical balance, heal your liver, your glands and recover from adrenal exhaustion (which can be caused by drugs as well).
I wanted to post this as I am seeing that many people on this forum are playing on being the doctor of themselves.
As you can see the situation can be much more complicated than what you think.
In the end, wasting money on supplements alone is much less wise than spending some money under the supervision of a professional.
I hope it will be in some way helpful sharing my experience.
Kind regards and heal!
So basically plenty of vitamin a and reduced dairy/calcium/vitamin d ?
I think this is something I would try, how many years ago did you take accutane?
On 4/10/2019 at 4:35 AM, Calcified said:Is dryness your only issue?
Nope
Dryness, IBS, Hair Loss, Brain Fog, Yellowish Nails, Blurry Vision, Depression/Anxiety
On 4/10/2019 at 5:30 AM, TrueJustice said:
A word of caution- Tudca may not be what you need. I took a bottle in on kinesiology visit and my body was rejecting it
Same this week when I took in digestive aid. Kinesiologist was surprised as the ingredients are good and Im in middle of working on gut so ordinarily youd think my body would needing the aid- thats just how it goes with this type of work though.
Other things taken in such as Vit D my body has responded well to just to prove it can work the other way too.
The point here is, what we may think our bodies need isnt always clear cut. Ive experimented with all sorts of stuff over the years thinking these are things I need - not always so straightforward unfortunately
I have cholestasis (probably) so I will give tudca a try. Nobig expectations though
How much vitamin D do you take?
This istrue. I've been trying so many things too. At this point I think my body needs an aggressive approach
4 hours ago, Victoria845 said:Nope
Dryness, IBS, Hair Loss, Brain Fog, Yellowish Nails, Blurry Vision, Depression/Anxiety
I have cholestasis (probably) so I will give tudca a try. Nobig expectations though
How much vitamin D do you take?
This istrue. I've been trying so many things too. At this point I think my body needs an aggressive approach
Never heard of accutane causing yellow nails or blurry vision. Do you have joint issues or fatigue?
1 hour ago, Calcified said:Never heard of accutane causing yellow nails or blurry vision. Do you have joint issues or fatigue?
Accutane is active vitamin A, taken in toxic amounts:
Symptoms of chronic vitamin A toxicity include:
blurry vision or other vision changes
swelling of the bones
bone pain
poor appetite
dizziness
nausea and vomiting
sensitivity to sunlight
dry, rough skin
itchy or peeling skin
cracked fingernails
skin cracks at the corners of your mouth
mouth ulcers
yellowed skin (jaundice)
hair loss
respiratory infection
confusion
4 hours ago, Calcified said:Never heard of accutane causing yellow nails or blurry vision. Do you have joint issues or fatigue?
Blurred vision is a new symptom and coincided with the use of a 0.3% retinol cream for two months. The optician said it was just my increasing astigmatism. My nails areslightly yellowish,not too noticeable (apparently anyone here having this symptom)
No joint pain or fatigue
On 4/9/2019 at 10:51 PM, Mabbbs said:Hello everyone. How are you all managing depression and anxiety post Accutane? Its been almost five years since Ive taken Accutane, which has caused my depression and anxiety. It has gotten worse so Im thinking of taking taking anti-depressants and medications for anxiety but Im scared this is the same exact mistake I did when taking Accutane. Sometimes I think that those medications will help me as my depression and anxiety are medically induced, but sometimes I worry this will just worsen my symptoms or temporarily mask my depression while aggravating my other symptoms (such as memory loss). This is why Id appreciate to know your experiences with taking anti-depressants or anti-anxiety medications (if you did) post Accutane and if you recommend it.
Please stay of the drugs. They really slowed my healing, if the doctors dont know what to do with you they will give you this shit. It really numbed my mind and put me in a bad circle, fortunately i got out of it quite quick. I no longer see myself as handicapped after taking this drug, the first years(2011-2015) feels really bad and wasted. But i now feel ok. I have too sleep in an incline because the digestive system doesnt really work anymore without the help of some gravity, but if i do this and eat healthy-ish i do not have much problems anymore. My latest discovery was L-cystein, it seems to help with the irritable-bowel. All my teeth that fell apart have been restored now(costly:O), my knees are probably quite bad for their age but i still exercise(i think this is important) And my face is stil hella wrinkly because of this drug. But overall i feel good and glad to be alive. Finding some fixes for my stomach made me sleep better and started a good circle for me. I have learned to newer trust a doctor, take all the bloodwork and bring the values back to evaluate for yourself. Some asshole doctor just tried to stuff me with antibiotics again because of a sinus infection, i demanded to see the bloodwork, crp was 37, implying virus, not bacteria = antibiotics are wasted and only kill your gut flora and immune system. I have worked hard to rebuild my health and will protect it. I regret so bad being naive trusting the health system.