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17 hours ago, Biggest Brother said:I think the idea is to fix the gut and liver naturally. It might be hard introducing more antibiotics to the liver and gut to fix it.
Good luck, all that was offered by Gastroenterologist was iberogast.
Theres so much on gut and liver in all these pages - plenty of natural supplements and diets and yet here we still are.
Not saying dont treat your gut health but Accutane to my knowledge is on a whole other level in how it wiped out all our gut villi
Dont know how to repair it, tried everything on the market!!
I got my first diagnosis this week after four years of doctors telling me theres nothing wrong with me. They still denied its because of Accutane (f*ck it), and said I have internal snapping hip syndrome (tight tendons) and ulnar nerve stability (in the elbow). My hips have gotten so bad I might need surgery and my legs are numb most of the time and its painful to even walk. Funny this is supposed to happen to athletes who play sports, not me whos a couch potato (ACCUTANE REALLY DOES DESTROY YOU LIKE THAT). They said I might need surgery for my elbow when it gets worse. What i dont get is how the hip and elbow are two different syndromes when all my joints are snapping in my body. Im honestly worried Ill get worse after surgery since they dont know the cause (root problem) and itll eventually get worse again...
Thinking of joining over at PropeciaHelp. I still don't actually know if it is post-accutane syndrome i'm suffering from because of the delay it took for my symptoms to appear, but all the signs point to some kind of acquired androgen resistance or 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, which would implicate the accutane. If you guys who have accounts over there could let me know if i'd be welcome to sign up and ask a few questions i would be grateful.
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8 hours ago, childofsungod said:Thinking of joining over at PropeciaHelp. I still don't actually know if it is post-accutane syndrome i'm suffering from because of the delay it took for my symptoms to appear, but all the signs point to some kind of acquired androgen resistance or 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, which would implicate the accutane. If you guys who have accounts over there could let me know if i'd be welcome to sign up and ask a few questions i would be grateful.
Of course you're welcome to join!
A lot of those guys also had a delay after stopping finasteride, where they recovered or went into a "hyperandrogenic" phase for awhile before all hell broke loose. It's almost unbelievable but exactly what happened to me after stopping Accutane.
The focus is mainly on hypogonadal ( as you say "androgen resistance") symptoms and neurological issues, but all post-Accutane sufferers are encouraged to join.
Currently away but I will sign up for sure when I get back. Thanks for your responses guys. Its easy to feel bleak when youre going through something like this but being able to discuss it in some way definitely helps. Easy to forget how many people get severely messed up by pharmaceuticals, be they accutane, hair loss drugs, SSRIs, women who take the pill... Certainly not a fan of pharmaceuticals anymore.
The prostate cancer research thing sounds huge. I think the way to go is definitely to build up numbers and find similar conditions that could pathe the way to finding a cure.
2 hours ago, childofsungod said:Currently away but I will sign up for sure when I get back. Thanks for your responses guys. Its easy to feel bleak when youre going through something like this but being able to discuss it in some way definitely helps. Easy to forget how many people get severely messed up by pharmaceuticals, be they accutane, hair loss drugs, SSRIs, women who take the pill... Certainly not a fan of pharmaceuticals anymore.
The prostate cancer research thing sounds huge. I think the way to go is definitely to build up numbers and find similar conditions that could pathe the way to finding a cure.
Yeah exactly, only heard about this last week, Australian soldiers given anti-malaria drug mefloquine and it causing massive psychological issues for some of these poor guys to the point of ruining lives.
Of course its all played down by Government reports. Complete ignorant bullshit in a similar fashion to what we go through with our relaying info to doctors and specialists.
good to see some people in here trying real stuff. TRT, Sarms, Peptides and HGH. I haven't done anything since my previous post but about to start trying some things out.
I have a range of problems all around joints/cartlige/tendon/spine! Damn you accutane (and finasteride) - going to try BPC157 to help my quad heal see how that goes
Some people say MK2866 is good for joints other say its temporary - any ideas? Those sarms are supressive so ive always thought just man up and take moderate dose of test and DECA for increased collagen synthesis (plus MK677/HGH/peptides for the GH boost)
anyone done just pure T and seen a benefit?
Edit - for info purposes been doing Keto for a time i think that helps, but hard to maintain. Moving to fasting now with 50-70% calories Post-WO
5 hours ago, arus9000 said:good to see some people in here trying real stuff. TRT, Sarms, Peptides and HGH. I haven't done anything since my previous post but about to start trying some things out.
I have a range of problems all around joints/cartlige/tendon/spine! Damn you accutane (and finasteride) - going to try BPC157 to help my quad heal see how that goesSome people say MK2866 is good for joints other say its temporary - any ideas? Those sarms are supressive so ive always thought just man up and take moderate dose of test and DECA for increased collagen synthesis (plus MK677/HGH/peptides for the GH boost)
anyone done just pure T and seen a benefit?
Edit - for info purposes been doing Keto for a time i think that helps, but hard to maintain. Moving to fasting now with 50-70% calories Post-WO
Can I ask though, why wouldnt we just take all these things you listed if they were a cure?
Point being, Ive gotten excited about HGH etc before and yet its not the cure.
Perhaps they might provide relief but do you believe theyll cure you?
On 8/5/2018 at 10:12 AM, arus9000 said:good to see some people in here trying real stuff. TRT, Sarms, Peptides and HGH. I haven't done anything since my previous post but about to start trying some things out.
I have a range of problems all around joints/cartlige/tendon/spine! Damn you accutane (and finasteride) - going to try BPC157 to help my quad heal see how that goesSome people say MK2866 is good for joints other say its temporary - any ideas? Those sarms are supressive so ive always thought just man up and take moderate dose of test and DECA for increased collagen synthesis (plus MK677/HGH/peptides for the GH boost)
anyone done just pure T and seen a benefit?
Edit - for info purposes been doing Keto for a time i think that helps, but hard to maintain. Moving to fasting now with 50-70% calories Post-WO
"Manning up" and taking Deca-Durabolin/nandrolone might make you less of a man.
Some not-so fun facts about Deca:
- Highly anabolic but poorly androgenic (often prescribed to women for this reason)
- Poor conversion by 5-alpha reductase into an extremely weak androgen (may displace DHT?)
- Cannot be metabolized into T-derived neurosteroids
- Strong negative feedback on testosterone production
- Causes "Deca-Dick", a sometimes permanent condition similar to PFS/PAS/PSSD that is widely discussed on bodybuilding forums.
...Just a fair warning.
19 minutes ago, mikez said:TRT is suppressive. You are meant to take TRT with the aim of taking it for life, only after you have established clinical hypogonadism.
Very valid point on TRT - totally agree!!
Can I ask about HGH and taking it as a supplement only, is it worth taking? Has anyone felt more energy and mental clarity from taking it?
Im talking about some of the more expensive stuff targeted towards bodybuilders etc not any cheap crap.
Any thoughts pls.....
40 minutes ago, TrueJustice said:Very valid point on TRT - totally agree!!Can I ask about HGH and taking it as a supplement only, is it worth taking? Has anyone felt more energy and mental clarity from taking it?
Im talking about some of the more expensive stuff targeted towards bodybuilders etc not any cheap crap.
Any thoughts pls.....
HGH can cause organ growth and increase the risk of cancer. It would only be something Id take myself if I had an established deficiency, measured via blood tests.
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So maybe you suppress something. But what comes back? With a vengeance. Sparks a immune response.
Inflammation. This could constrict blood flow.
Maybe thats why some have found temporary relief taking again what might have harmed them in the first place. But then maybe they end up even worse then they started.
Its been awhile since ive gotten any tests.
But im getting one tonight. Just in case.
im actually looking for a immune response coming from the gi tract.
There's no other way to possibly test this atm.
Candida albicans Antibodies(IgG, IgA, IgM) (30440) - Quest Diagnostics
Wouldnt we have cured Candida by now even just by fluking it when we did some bowel cleansing or something? - I mean collectively wed of done hundreds of cleanses over the years yeah and someone surely wouldve been cured if it was just Candida.
Unless youre suggesting a fungus thats 10 times stronger than traditional Candida?
That might be harder to wipe out, yeah you cant get tested from what I hear for normal Candida.
Rememer the MMS solution? Who ended up doing that?
we will see. maybe there has never been a targeted approach.
im not looking at a all in one "candida" supplement.
As a actual drug I could reference 100mg offluconazole per day for 3 weeks.
im looking at something similar to sibo, instead with fungus.
Im not looking at candida specifically but its cousins or close relations as well.
Example,saccharomyces cerevisiae. A commensal yeastsince birth, can become pathogenic.
im looking at something that is isolated or contained to the lower gi tract but still causes a systemic response.
Guitarman
The restricted blood flow issue still fascinates me for want of a better word.
I think weve even had some people on here test their blood viscosity. For me Ive had terrible varicose veins, I was actually due to see specialist again this month but all he wants to do is remove some of them - my gut instinct tells me this is not the solution Im looking for, removing some unsightly veins from my legs I couldnt care less, thats not going to solve any of my fatigue issues I doubt or light sensitivity etc etc.
Unfortunately this specialist has no clue about Accutane and the issues we face, so if it is a fungus underlying many of our issues, removing some veins is not the solution - stripping veins is just too superficial, I can deal with how they look.
Didnt know about the product Fluconazole - thanks for sharing.
On 8/6/2018 at 7:56 PM, TrueJustice said:Thank you.What do you take for mental clarity and energy?
Hi, the mental clarity was never really an issue for me (as long as my sleep is fine, which is another story), so I haven't done a lot of research into that. Sorry about that. That's also a tough one , given so many supplements and nootropics apparently claim to help with it as well. What have you tried so far for it?
On 8/7/2018 at 1:40 PM, macleod said:check this out.
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Thanks @macleod
On 8/8/2018 at 8:11 AM, Devolution said:On 8/7/2018 at 1:40 PM, macleod said:check this out.
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Hey Macleod that looks like it could be very beneficial to me and a few others, do you know Id its safe?
Only one way to find out. But I have only positives to say about Russian peptides (cerebrolysin) from my personal experience. Better than taking anything from Roche or any mainstream pharma company. That's for sure.
Hi everyone,
I am suffering right along with you all. Took this poison 3 times and the third time did me in big time. I am hoping maybe we could compile a new thread of success stories of those who suffered years after treatment, but subsequently recovered. I feel this would be very helpful for those of us who are suicidal/depressed.
I've literally spent hundreds of hours at this point scouring the web for any positive outcomes following the years of suffering. I've been able to find a few, but if we could have a group effort, it would be that much better. I think a positive mental state is greatly overlooked when it comes to recovery. Please help, this would mean a lot.
Anyone who thinks Accutane isn't related to their newly found joint pain is surely mistaken. Oh, and digestive gut issues as well. This boy is thousands of iu's short from the amount of Vitamin A an Accutane patient takes on a daily basis. Also, if your heritage is from the Nothern Euro Scandanavian areas, you can tolerate excess Vitamin A that the rest of the population is not accustomed to.
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