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@TanerapedThanks for the clarification. I saw something a little different in that post. I have no problem with meditative speak, a little different than what I would consider a pep talk, but alright. Maybe just a little less macabre next time so its not even a question. Thanks.
Speaking of diet @ACCUiTy_drANEI know you talked about this positively not too long ago, and I know a study just came out that coffee can prolong life, but Im not so sure its good for us in the long run. I know im sort of addicted myself, I start every day out with a cup of coffee.
Caffeine causes temporary systemic artery stiffening, reversible reduced cerebral blood flow, and also a sudden spike in blood pressure. Meaning your chances of a cardiac event are increased right after drinking coffee.
Coffee specifically has also been linked to bone loss.
I know we use caffeine to compensate for brain fog (myself included) but ultimately it could be making things worse.
There are studies to back all of this up if you want to dig into them.
You apply this blood flow constriction due to Accutane use like studies have shown, maybe the same principle applies. Its reversible.
Similar to changing diet, coffee isnt really the problem. I drink coffee and it helps rid fatigue but Ive also had periods where I dont have coffee and yet I still feel accutaned- meaning coffee or no coffee, youre still accutaned!!
Similar with eating meat or not eating meat - no difference for me, still feel fucked, its different if you choose not to eat meat cause of moral issues but dont expect anything to change, nothing like that works in my opinion.
My Yoga teacher oncesaid, dont drink chilled water, it effects your chi, whilst this might be true, its not going to make any difference to my Accutane issues is it!!
Dont deny yourself coffee due to thinking its the difference between feeling good vs feeling fucked - in my opinion theres not enough there to warrant the change....
3 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Similar to changing diet, coffee isnt really the problem. I drink coffee and it helps rid fatigue but Ive also had periods where I dont have coffee and yet I still feel accutaned- meaning coffee or no coffee, youre still accutaned!!
Similar with eating meat or not eating meat - no difference for me, still feel fucked, its different if you choose not to eat meat cause of moral issues but dont expect anything to change, nothing like that works in my opinion.
My Yoga teacher oncesaid, dont drink chilled water, it effects your chi, whilst this might be true, its not going to make any difference to my Accutane issues is it!!
Dont deny yourself coffee due to thinking its the difference between feeling good vs feeling fucked - in my opinion theres not enough there to warrant the change....
Coffee rids you of your fatigue? I fucking wish that was the case with me. Even with coffee I'm still fatigued but just more wired fatigued..
4 hours ago, Colinboko said:8 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Similar to changing diet, coffee isnt really the problem. I drink coffee and it helps rid fatigue but Ive also had periods where I dont have coffee and yet I still feel accutaned- meaning coffee or no coffee, youre still accutaned!!
Similar with eating meat or not eating meat - no difference for me, still feel fucked, its different if you choose not to eat meat cause of moral issues but dont expect anything to change, nothing like that works in my opinion.
My Yoga teacher oncesaid, dont drink chilled water, it effects your chi, whilst this might be true, its not going to make any difference to my Accutane issues is it!!
Dont deny yourself coffee due to thinking its the difference between feeling good vs feeling fucked - in my opinion theres not enough there to warrant the change....
Coffee rids you of your fatigue? I fucking wish that was the case with me. Even with coffee I'm still fatigued but just more wired fatigued..
Im wired/fatigued too - thats for sure but Im a coffee addict, I enjoy 1-2 cups per day every day!!
Not a good idea when you consider the anxiety we face post tane but again Ive gone off coffee thinking that will ease the anxiety but it makes no real or lasting difference so why deny yourself something you enjoy?
If it was smoking, no argument there but I dont smoke so no issue there.
The only thing you might argue with coffee is the milk, the milk could increase the dryness we have but again I havent seen enough of a difference when not having it to warrant the change.....
15 hours ago, TrueJustice said:What???This has already been put up within last few pages, what else do we know about his protocol?
Im stoked hes recovered but its all vague, what did he take, what did he avoid, how long and what dose etc etc????
You need to find that out for yourself. He is not offering a cure for accutane sufferers he is warning of the dangers of accutane.
I managed to speak to him personally and he mentioned he was recovered.
So not vague at all - you want to know how he got better ask him yourself!
On 11/18/2017 at 1:03 AM, Skipflip12 said:can someone pls tell me where i can find the original cdnuts protocol? please
and is it any good?
[Edited link out]
I'd say it's worth a go. Numerous people have recovered using that protocol, but everyone is different - there is no one cure for this condition, what works for some people doesn't for others - you just have to try everything yourself, and gauge how you react to things.
The CD protocol is basically an extended water-fast (ideally 30+ days), very clean diet (paleo, no alcohol etc), cycle t-boosting herbs, then do some cycles with pro-hormones like Andro Hard or R-Andro, and back to herb cycling.
8 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Im wired/fatigued too - thats for sure but Im a coffee addict, I enjoy 1-2 cups per day every day!!Not a good idea when you consider the anxiety we face post tane but again Ive gone off coffee thinking that will ease the anxiety but it makes no real or lasting difference so why deny yourself something you enjoy?
If it was smoking, no argument there but I dont smoke so no issue there.
The only thing you might argue with coffee is the milk, the milk could increase the dryness we have but again I havent seen enough of a difference when not having it to warrant the change.....
Yeah when I drink coffee it like almost hurts my nerves... that's what it feels like. Like I'm literally being electrified. But the fatigue remains
8 hours ago, hatetane said:You need to find that out for yourself. He is not offering a cure for accutane sufferers he is warning of the dangers of accutane.I managed to speak to him personally and he mentioned he was recovered.
So not vague at all - you want to know how he got better ask him yourself!
I felt the video was a bit of both as he does mention some things that arent working for Accutane victims in their recovery hence its obviously after the event and from that he knows people are trying to recover.
I guess hes not obligated to share success protocol but surely he knows about this forum and the large amount of people looking for answers? Why keep us in suspense.
Guys,
Just wanted to tell you that we have a full recovery of a ME/CFS case who had the condition for 3 years. He has followed a specific regimen for 5 months, now he is 3 months without any regimen and having no symptoms at all.
His DNA file -with his concession- was forwarded to a Research team for follow up.
32 minutes ago, mariovitali said:Guys,
Just wanted to tell you that we have a full recovery of a ME/CFS case who had the condition for 3 years. He has followed a specific regimen for 5 months, now he is 3 months without any regimen and having no symptoms at all.
His DNA file -with his concession- was forwarded to a Research team for follow up.
Did he take accutane?
8 hours ago, Colinboko said:8 hours ago, mariovitali said:Guys,
Just wanted to tell you that we have a full recovery of a ME/CFS case who had the condition for 3 years. He has followed a specific regimen for 5 months, now he is 3 months without any regimen and having no symptoms at all.
His DNA file -with his concession- was forwarded to a Research team for follow up.
Did he take accutane?
Probably not lol.
On 11/18/2017 at 2:32 AM, tanedout said:[Edited link out]
I'd say it's worth a go. Numerous people have recovered using that protocol, but everyone is different - there is no one cure for this condition, what works for some people doesn't for others - you just have to try everything yourself, and gauge how you react to things.
The CD protocol is basically an extended water-fast (ideally 30+ days), very clean diet (paleo, no alcohol etc), cycle t-boosting herbs, then do some cycles with pro-hormones like Andro Hard or R-Andro, and back to herb cycling.
nice thx 
could it heal emotional nubmness?
On 18-11-2017 at 6:36 AM, mariovitali said:Guys,
Just wanted to tell you that we have a full recovery of a ME/CFS case who had the condition for 3 years. He has followed a specific regimen for 5 months, now he is 3 months without any regimen and having no symptoms at all.
His DNA file -with his concession- was forwarded to a Research team for follow up.
a specific regimen.
Please elaborate te regimen.
12 hours ago, tanedout said:Try it! Like I said everyone responds differently to stuff, some people have cured all their issues following that protocol, others haven't - worth a shot
I see some mixed results with the Ella and RU. Do you hav eany conclusion about the logs from Hackstasis?
Licorice root maybe a try?
2 hours ago, Walden Rev said:I see some mixed results with the Ella and RU. Do you hav eany conclusion about the logs from Hackstasis?
Licorice root maybe a try?
Yeah I don't think it was as promising as first hoped - some people got decent gains that stayed though. Interestingly people seemed to do best on micro doses, even a single 5mg dose of ella resulted in improvements for one guy. All the focus seems to have now swung onto mineral protocols, but there is definitely some promise from ella and RU, and just like people who've recovered from taking finasteride, with RU and ella they always get a 'bounce back' after stopping so it all ties in with receptor sensitivity.
I've been having real issues with bile flow recently so I'm trying to get that under control before I try anything as it's really starting to impact my health. Currently taking UDCA, lecithin, trib (stimulate bile flow), HCI and taurine which seems to help a lot and have someSchuessler mineral salts on order.
Some seem to get benefits from cycling licorice root, but I've tried that and it doesn't for me, but I would say it's probably still worth a go then at least you know!
Someone asked me to post this again.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/222400050/The-Secret-That-Doubles-Testosterone
On 11/18/2017 at 2:32 AM, tanedout said:[Edited link out]
I'd say it's worth a go. Numerous people have recovered using that protocol, but everyone is different - there is no one cure for this condition, what works for some people doesn't for others - you just have to try everything yourself, and gauge how you react to things.
The CD protocol is basically an extended water-fast (ideally 30+ days), very clean diet (paleo, no alcohol etc), cycle t-boosting herbs, then do some cycles with pro-hormones like Andro Hard or R-Andro, and back to herb cycling.
This is one of the better protocols Ive seen. Mainly because its grounded with common sense. I'll pass on the ant extract supplement though. Its also a juice fast you can go on for an extended period of time, water fasting more than a couple days could get you in trouble.
Basically you're trying to modify the gut here, or reset it with these fasts. Its not a surprise this fast (or feast as he calls it) is high in green leafy vegetables. Kale and spinach being an excellent source of vitamin K. Which could play a role.
http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/
3 hours ago, guitarman01 said:This is one of the better protocols Ive seen. Mainly because its grounded with common sense. I'll pass on the ant extract supplement though. Its also a juice fast you can go on for an extended period of time, water fasting more than a couple days could get you in trouble.
Basically you're trying to modify the gut here, or reset it with these fasts. Its not a surprise this fast (or feast as he calls it) is high in green leafy vegetables. Kale and spinach being an excellent source of vitamin K. Which could play a role.
http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/
It's an old one, but it had helped some people. CD states the herb cycling for testosterone boosting, but clearly it's not that simple as otherwise people would just be cured by boosting T and that doesn't help. More likely is that some of the herbs he recommends in his cycle are 'abortifacient' herbs (which can trigger abortions in high doses) i.e. the same mechanism as RU and ella. So it's more likely it ever so slowly restores progesterone receptor sensitivity over time.
3 hours ago, tanedout said:It's an old one, but it had helped some people. CD states the herb cycling for testosterone boosting, but clearly it's not that simple as otherwise people would just be cured by boosting T and that doesn't help. More likely is that some of the herbs he recommends in his cycle are 'abortifacient' herbs (which can trigger abortions in high doses) i.e. the same mechanism as RU and ella. So it's more likely it ever so slowly restores progesterone receptor sensitivity over time.
I think the receptor issue really has to do with the length of time on the drug.
2 hours ago, Colinboko said:6 hours ago, tanedout said:It's an old one, but it had helped some people. CD states the herb cycling for testosterone boosting, but clearly it's not that simple as otherwise people would just be cured by boosting T and that doesn't help. More likely is that some of the herbs he recommends in his cycle are 'abortifacient' herbs (which can trigger abortions in high doses) i.e. the same mechanism as RU and ella. So it's more likely it ever so slowly restores progesterone receptor sensitivity over time.I think the receptor issue really has to do with the length of time on the drug.
Which receptors though, in the brain, in the gut or both??
I dont expect you to know as up till now not even an endocrinologist or gastroenterologist can explain but given that half the posts lately are on gut ( Vit K ) and the other half are on the brain related issues, we are still playing guessing games on what the core issue is atplayhere!!
Fix the gut and the head will clear itself or vice versa or fix the liver and everything will be restored??
1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:Which receptors though, in the brain, in the gut or both??I dont expect you to know as up till now not even an endocrinologist or gastroenterologist can explain but given that half the posts lately are on gut ( Vit K ) and the other half are on the brain related issues, we are still playing guessing games on what the core issue is atplayhere!!
Fix the gut and the head will clear itself or vice versa or fix the liver and everything will be restored??
I'm talking about androgen receptors! Sorry didn't make that clear.
Getting a full hormonal workup this week. We shall see what happens! Probably nothing! But haven't had all hormones checked so it'll be nice to see. Considering I've gained so much weight. Don't know if it's estrogen or low T at play here...
It's the hypothalamus. It's relation to the pituitary is what damages the hormone production. And it also explains the poor sleep.
I will post a few pages of a chapter I purchased online of a new medical textbook 'Iatrogenic Pathologies' Septtemer 2017. In it, the doctors state that Isotretinoin, a drug which has capacity of cellular apoptosis, damages the hypothalamus in animal models. It also goes on to explain other chemotherapy drugs and what is called Chronic adverse effects and in our case Chronic Delayed Adverse effects. They also mention the liver, surprisingly, and how it may have issues filtering detoxifying etc.
A bit satisfying to realize that we all were pretty much on the money with our theories. Then again it kinda sucks, because if doctors are just now writing about this, and we've known about this for years, then we are on our own.