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52 minutes ago, Umas said:Hm, well I will read about that more. If those are really gallstones/liver stones then I'm not gonna do it. But I am not convinced, still "stones" from those flushes don't look like real gallstones/liver stones. Real gallstone is hard as hell, it's just like some little stone from any backyard, yes stones from flushes are not remotely that hard. I would also sugest doing ultrasonography before, and a fter flushes that would be really good evidence. Not to mention that some people flushed many more "stones" that could be stored in gallbladder, and muich bigger to go through bile duct. How is it possible? Stones should be made smaller first, because if not and flushes are true then it's etremely dangerous. Normally bile duct width is something around 6 or 8 mm I think, and some people claim that they had flushed stones that were way over 1 cm in width. That mean that either flushes are fake or extremely dangeros. If they are real then they should be done under supervision of someone and close to hospital because stone stuck in bile duct is VERY dangerous.
Its good to be sceptical - I'm the same!!
We can argue all day long as to whether stones are real or not. I would say do the flushes to remove sludge then - before stones form there must be sludge of some sort wouldn't you agree?? Stones form from the gunk in liver/gallbladder.
The other point is - unless people are bullshitting and it it is possible that they are, these flushes have helped thousands of people with all sorts of health issues. Just wish it would take all problems away 
I don't focus on the stones - I try to focus on precedure trusting that it is cleaning up my liver - that's all I care about. Plus I do the procedure by the book drinking the "apple juice" for 5 days which apparently softens the stones so YES I'd imagine it is dangerous if you weren't to do the procedure correctly. Best to do it by the book and eliminate the the danger - pretty simple!!
7 hours ago, hatetane said:If you know you are already sensitive to this drug why would you take a risk?
The point is - if you are unlucky enough to suffer from any of the more serious side effects then there is no turning the clock back.
You will face years of misery. You are on this forum so I can only assume you are playing dumb!!
Low dose, high does - it's all the same!
The success strories outweigh the horror stories.
It's not playing dumb, it's making an educated descision.
I'm also a massive beleiver in the mind body connection and take alot of these 'delayed reaction' stories with a grain of salt.
i was only hoping for some educated unbias opinions but i apparently have came to the wrong part of the internet.
5 hours ago, gms08 said:The success strories outweigh the horror stories.It's not playing dumb, it's making an educated descision.
I'm also a massive beleiver in the mind body connection and take alot of these 'delayed reaction' stories with a grain of salt.
i was only hoping for some educated unbias opinions but i apparently have came to the wrong part of the internet.
Well, considering millions have taken it and the FDA allows the generic sales to continue, I would say the majority of people walk away unscathed too. No one has said otherwise. However, the drug is banned in some countries, so take that with a grain of salt while you're at it. And the current general consensus among dermatologists is that low dosage treatments result in a less side effect profile and maybe possibly adding vitamin E to treatment. But you already knew that. Clearly there are unknown variables when dealing with genetic transcription capable drugs that neither anyone here nor a doctor could tell you.Why don't you take your mind body salt to the pharmacy store then or would you rather show off your pretentiousness on the internet some more?
8 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Its good to be sceptical - I'm the same!!We can argue all day long as to whether stones are real or not. I would say do the flushes to remove sludge then - before stones form there must be sludge of some sort wouldn't you agree?? Stones form from the gunk in liver/gallbladder.
The other point is - unless people are bullshitting and it it is possible that they are, these flushes have helped thousands of people with all sorts of health issues. Just wish it would take all problems away
I don't focus on the stones - I try to focus on precedure trusting that it is cleaning up my liver - that's all I care about. Plus I do the procedure by the book drinking the "apple juice" for 5 days which apparently softens the stones so YES I'd imagine it is dangerous if you weren't to do the procedure correctly. Best to do it by the book and eliminate the the danger - pretty simple!!
Like I said I believe those liver flushes helped many people, just mechanism is different that those people think. I had ultrasonography some times ago, they didn't detect any big stones(big enough to stuck in bile duct) so even if it work like people claimed it's safe for me because nothing will stuck in my bile duck. I am also sceptic that drinking apple juice would soften stones, it seems like a excuse why stones after those flushes are so soft 
BTW apple juice drinking was not because of widening bile ducts? E, whatever I will try liver flushes myself and decide after that
3 hours ago, macleod said:Well, considering millions have taken it and the FDA allows the generic sales to continue, I would say the majority of people walk away unscathed too. No one has said otherwise. However, the drug is banned in some countries, so take that with a grain of salt while you're at it. And the current general consensus among dermatologists is that low dosage treatments result in a less side effect profile and maybe possibly adding vitamin E to treatment. But you already knew that. Clearly there are unknown variables when dealing with genetic transcription capable drugs that neither anyone here nor a doctor could tell you.Why don't you take your mind body salt to the pharmacy store then or would you rather show off your pretentiousness on the internet some more?
I wasn't trying to be pretentious. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was just hoping to get some opinions from the other side of the discussion but all i got was 'Take a scalpel and remove your skin' and 'High dose, low dose is all the same'
I'm sorry to have bothered you and I will let you get back to your pubmed studies.
If you are not capable of not eating gluten and dairy for 3 weeks to clear your acne, then yes take chemotherapy, or remove your skin directly, that's how accutane works, damaging the skin* at 90%, it's in the notice. If you have already no brain, you can take accutane, you won't feel the difference anyway.
Sorry but you asked for it.
*but nothing else "ofc".
51 minutes ago, gms08 said:I wasn't trying to be pretentious. I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was just hoping to get some opinions from the other side of the discussion but all i got was 'Take a scalpel and remove your skin' and 'High dose, low dose is all the same'I'm sorry to have bothered you and I will let you get back to your pubmed studies.
Im not sure why you are asking to hear from the "other side of discussion" on a accutane survivor forum??
No one on here will say taking accutane is a good thing - for those posting on here obviously it isn't. If I could go back to the 22 year old version of myself I would talk myself out of taking accutane - it's had a major impact on my life in a very detrimental way - career/relationships and ultimately my health.
To think that I could of gotten rid of my mild acne through a better diet upsets me greatly!!
Accutane = poison. End of story.
"False libertarian" indeed Anonyy, great way of describing most western societies, by the way, great to have you back, you have been agood inspiration for me.
Hey gms08, make your educated decision, i have done it myself around three years ago, a persistent acne that wouldn't go away and many dermatologist recommendations on taking accutane led me to "research", as you are doing now, and, after reading a lot, i made my "educated decision" that led me to where i am now. I am for sure not so damaged as some, but enough to constant worry about, aside from a respectful list of "not so bad" sides my body has become fragile and i feel pain everyday from minor efforts, but it ins't that bad anymore, after a life style change and some alternative approaches it got better and i don't feel joint pain after opening a door that is a bit heavy or squeezing an orange.
But going back to the "research" topic, i also found that, apparently, there are much more successful stories than horror stories. I say apparently because i started to notice that many people i know who have taken accutane are, years later, dealing with uncommon issues for their age: arthrosis, arthritis, fragile tendons/bones that are easily injured, migraines, intestinal issues and the list goes on... They go to the doctor and no one says anything about accutane, after all, it has been proved to be a safe drug isn't it? I am sure you have heard doctors saying it, especially online, and doctors are more trustworthy than a bunch of paranoids that blame accutane for its misery, right?
Anyway, i believe many people get away safe, my ex girlfriend took it when she was 18, today she smokes, eat a lot of garbage and drinks a lot, but she is doing perfectly fine, lucky girl. Hopefully you are lucky too.
There are good researches and interesting topics being discussed, let's maintain the discussion ata high and positive level. Suicidal guys, please, give us a break, it's not easy for anyone, i reached a point where i had inflammation everywhere in my body, my face was a mess, pain allover, after very depressing months and intense caring of myself i began to get better, specially mentally. But is not easy, It's fucking hard and we need inspiring stories of people that are fighting and making life progresses, even if they can't find a cure or an improvement yet. So, go mourn elsewhere.
i would recommend cutting all coffee from diet if u have digestive issues. while newer studies suggests coffee consumption aids in protecting the liver, the acidity is bad for your bowels if u have underlying problems.
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I've noticed that my side effects improve a fair amount when I'm consistently exfoliating my skin. Ever since accutane, the top layer of skin is basically just dead. When I try to moisturize it, nothing absorbs because it's dead. I even have more sensitivity down there when I do this for some reason.
I'm guessing this is because accutane induces apoptosis. Is there a way to slow down how fast my skin cells die to a more normal rate, or am I just gonna have to exfoliate twice every day for the rest of my life?
17 hours ago, macleod said:Well, considering millions have taken it and the FDA allows the generic sales to continue, I would say the majority of people walk away unscathed too. No one has said otherwise. However, the drug is banned in some countries, so take that with a grain of salt while you're at it. And the current general consensus among dermatologists is that low dosage treatments result in a less side effect profile and maybe possibly adding vitamin E to treatment. But you already knew that. Clearly there are unknown variables when dealing with genetic transcription capable drugs that neither anyone here nor a doctor could tell you.Why don't you take your mind body salt to the pharmacy store then or would you rather show off your pretentiousness on the internet some more?
Hear, hear.
Go and read all the success stories and TAKE accutane - good luck with that!!!
18 hours ago, QuietSoldier said:I've noticed that my side effects improve a fair amount when I'm consistently exfoliating my skin. Ever since accutane, the top layer of skin is basically just dead. When I try to moisturize it, nothing absorbs because it's dead. I even have more sensitivity down there when I do this for some reason.
I'm guessing this is because accutane induces apoptosis. Is there a way to slow down how fast my skin cells die to a more normal rate, or am I just gonna have to exfoliate twice every day for the rest of my life?
I noticed rubbing anything on my skin for prolonged periods of time causes dizziness and heart populations , having said that I would advise against this.
You have to remember isotretinoin is stored in the skin fat cells how do you think most people get prolonged remission of acne. Basically this re-activates my Accutane induced pseudo tumor , yes it's a well documented side effect .
On 8/22/2016 at 0:49 PM, PedroE said:There are good researches and interesting topics being discussed, let's maintain the discussion ata high and positive level. Suicidal guys, please, give us a break, it's not easy for anyone, i reached a point where i had inflammation everywhere in my body, my face was a mess, pain allover, after very depressing months and intense caring of myself i began to get better, specially mentally. But is not easy, It's fucking hard and we need inspiring stories of people that are fighting and making life progresses, even if they can't find a cure or an improvement yet. So, go mourn elsewhere.
As someone who has largely abstained from complaining about my side effects, I would just like to say many of the viewpoints reflected in your post could not be further from my personal perspective on this issue. Suffering from the disease of depression has little to do with believing you have it any worse than anyone else. It has to do with your thought patterns, yes, but that is a minor component. The disease of depression often has complex biological causes which include but are not limited to: inflammation, bloodflow disturbances to specific regions of the brain, neurotransmitter disturbances in specific parts of the brain but NOT in others (rendering drugs that broadly increase one specific kind of neurotransmitter, useless), microbiome alterations, hippocampal atrophy, circadian rhythm disturbances, etc. Depression has more in common with arthritis than it does a hundred bad days. You may have already known depression is a complex disease, but my point is that all of the aforementioned factors cannot simply be thought away. Depression goes beyond mindset issues, and realizing life isn't easy for everyone does not address any root causes.
Finally, note that Accutane directly impacts many of the systems implicated in depression, as I am sure many people here know. That is why I am bewildered by the rhetoric I am reading. The complaints you witness may be annoying, but callous platitudes aren't going to restore our hippocampal volume(s) either.
On 8/21/2016 at 11:58 AM, cnb30 said:Is there any evidence of the orbitofrontal cortex being able to repair itself?
Yes, I saw research done on people who were previously alcoholics. After 20 or so years of sobriety, their frontal lobes looked significantly better than those with four years or less of sobriety. What discouraged me was how four years was considered a limited amount of time. But healthy living, alcohol avoidance, and minimization of inflammation is probably our best shot at recovery, if brain damage in that region is the primary issue. Alcohol does NOT give me a pleasant buzz post-Accutane, so I'll have no problem with the first part.
Most people post tan can't handle alcohol anymore with that being said a few beer are actually healthy for the body , bing drinking is however NOT,
So it all depends on the person . What beer does for me is that it keeps me regular accutane and constipation are a big problem.
12 minutes ago, Gladiatoro said:Most people post tan can't handle alcohol anymore with that being said a few beer are actually healthy for the body , bing drinking is however NOT,
So it all depends on the person . What beer does for me is that it keeps me regular accutane and constipation are a big problem.
A lot of ex-Finasteride users say alcohol does not affect them the same way anymore as well. And yes, I agree there is a big distinction between binge drinking and moderate drinking. (The study I was talking about obviously looked at the worst offenders. :P) With the amount of kefir I consume every night, I am sure I am consuming some amount of alcohol, but I'm not too worried about it. I think caffeine is a multidimensional drug too. It can have amazing benefits used intermittently, but if used chronically, it can actually inhibit neurogenesis! No good!
On 8/23/2016 at 2:33 AM, macleod said:i would recommend cutting all coffee from diet if u have digestive issues. while newer studies suggests coffee consumption aids in protecting the liver, the acidity is bad for your bowels if u have underlying problems.
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I would agree, at least I can say that coffee worsen my digestive issues. It has now laxative properties for me(before I was poisoned with anitbiotics I could drink coffee without any problems). But it can have it purpose, when you have to go to the toilet and can't then natural mild laxative like coffee is sure hell better than some hars laxative in pills. I struggle with cutting down my intake of coffee, I mean I can cut to zero processed sugar or bread but I seemed to be adicted to coffee :> I just love the taste of good coffee(and the smell too!)
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Somehow we need to raise awareness. The fact is kids are still taking this drug and no one is doing anything to stop it.
3 years ago we researched this drug and did not find anything to suggest that the side effects would be long lasting or permanent.
Nothing about brain damage or low libido/ED.
Yes, if you look up accutane sexual side effects you will find plenty but who would consider for a moment that accutane would cause ED.
The seriousness of suicide is obviously well know but our doctor was completely dismissive of our concerns.
Hs said that it was a miracle drug and that kids with acne often suffer from depression and that nothing had been proven.
The warning on the box was a way of the company protecting itself against prosecution.
Today, 3 years later, most doctors still refuse to believe that accutane is a bad drug.
Indigo rush/ Stefan Alexander Lay has made some good videos but I hope and wish he would do more and really get the message across
that accutane causes permanent side effects.
Stefan has done some media and makes a great poster boy for accutane, I wish he would do more.
He was in a documentary where in my opinion he wasn't portrayed particularly well but I hope he continues to speak out and become more forceful about it.
The trouble with anxiety and depression is that people can be dismissive about it and for many young kids they would rather have a bit of anxiety or depression over acne any day. That is why the message is not getting across. Doctors are saying that any side effects will go away when the drug is no longer being taken.
You won't find one guy on youtube saying that accutane has caused permanent or irreversible ED, or that depression has lasted years and years rather than just a year or two post accutane. Not seen anyone talk about chronic pain or brain damage long after finishing accutane
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So Indigo Rush - keep doing your thing but please be even more outspoken. I know you have spoked about low libido, you really need to get across how devastating this side effect actually is.
I don't think that everyone would take notice of this when making a decision about wether to take accutane but I know a lot of guys would.
Thanks for being so brave Stefan.
We need others to be brave too - why not get your message across using youtube.
If it saves one kid from taking it, surly that would be worth the effort.
Thanks
Sam
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Somehow we need to raise awareness. The fact is kids are still taking this drug and no one is doing anything to stop it.
3 years ago we researched this drug and did not find anything to suggest that the side effects would be long lasting or permanent.
Nothing about brain damage or low libido/ED.
Yes, if you look up accutane sexual side effects you will find plenty but who would consider for a moment that accutane would cause ED.
The seriousness of suicide is obviously well know but our doctor was completely dismissive of our concerns.
Hs said that it was a miracle drug and that kids with acne often suffer from depression and that nothing had been proven.
The warning on the box was a way of the company protecting itself against prosecution.
Today, 3 years later, most doctors still refuse to believe that accutane is a bad drug.Indigo rush/ Stefan Alexander Lay has made some good videos but I hope and wish he would do more and really get the message across
that accutane causes permanent side effects.
Stefan has done some media and makes a great poster boy for accutane, I wish he would do more.
He was in a documentary where in my opinion he wasn't portrayed particularly well but I hope he continues to speak out and become more forceful about it.The trouble with anxiety and depression is that people can be dismissive about it and for many young kids they would rather have a bit of anxiety or depression over acne any day. That is why the message is not getting across. Doctors are saying that any side effects will go away when the drug is no longer being taken.
You won't find one guy on youtube saying that accutane has caused permanent or irreversible ED, or that depression has lasted years and years rather than just a year or two post accutane. Not seen anyone talk about chronic pain or brain damage long after finishing accutane[Edited link out]
So Indigo Rush - keep doing your thing but please be even more outspoken. I know you have spoked about low libido, you really need to get across how devastating this side effect actually is.
I don't think that everyone would take notice of this when making a decision about wether to take accutane but I know a lot of guys would.
Thanks for being so brave Stefan.
We need others to be brave too - why not get your message across using youtube.
If it saves one kid from taking it, surly that would be worth the effort.Thanks
Sam
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On 8/23/2016 at 2:33 AM, macleod said:i would recommend cutting all coffee from diet if u have digestive issues. while newer studies suggests coffee consumption aids in protecting the liver, the acidity is bad for your bowels if u have underlying problems.
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granted it is being written by the tea company, howeversources seem to check out.
Depending on who you ask around here, coffee can be damaging or curative depending on which end you stick it in.
On 8/25/2016 at 12:41 AM, hatetane said:[Edited link out]
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Somehow we need to raise awareness. The fact is kids are still taking this drug and no one is doing anything to stop it.
3 years ago we researched this drug and did not find anything to suggest that the side effects would be long lasting or permanent.
Nothing about brain damage or low libido/ED.
Yes, if you look up accutane sexual side effects you will find plenty but who would consider for a moment that accutane would cause ED.
The seriousness of suicide is obviously well know but our doctor was completely dismissive of our concerns.
Hs said that it was a miracle drug and that kids with acne often suffer from depression and that nothing had been proven.
The warning on the box was a way of the company protecting itself against prosecution.
Today, 3 years later, most doctors still refuse to believe that accutane is a bad drug.Indigo rush/ Stefan Alexander Lay has made some good videos but I hope and wish he would do more and really get the message across
that accutane causes permanent side effects.
Stefan has done some media and makes a great poster boy for accutane, I wish he would do more.
He was in a documentary where in my opinion he wasn't portrayed particularly well but I hope he continues to speak out and become more forceful about it.The trouble with anxiety and depression is that people can be dismissive about it and for many young kids they would rather have a bit of anxiety or depression over acne any day. That is why the message is not getting across. Doctors are saying that any side effects will go away when the drug is no longer being taken.
You won't find one guy on youtube saying that accutane has caused permanent or irreversible ED, or that depression has lasted years and years rather than just a year or two post accutane. Not seen anyone talk about chronic pain or brain damage long after finishing accutane[Edited link out]
So Indigo Rush - keep doing your thing but please be even more outspoken. I know you have spoked about low libido, you really need to get across how devastating this side effect actually is.
I don't think that everyone would take notice of this when making a decision about wether to take accutane but I know a lot of guys would.
Thanks for being so brave Stefan.
We need others to be brave too - why not get your message across using youtube.
If it saves one kid from taking it, surly that would be worth the effort.Thanks
Sam
And in another 20 years, when Accutane suicides start making the news again and children are still being rendered impotent and sickly, we will know that it is still occurring because many of the people who post here chose to bury their heads in the sand, self treat with no direction, and not do anything about the problem at large.
So yeah, thanks to Stephan. He might have had some strange ideas, but he did more to help than than some of us wannabe doctors ever did.
Since side effects can't be prooven biologically according to modern "science" don't hope to fix the issue by waiting it making news, it did multiple time, nothing changed. The only way to stop this is to promote real medicine, and attack the core of this drug dealer "modern" "medecine" which is the issue, and not bury our head like you do & whine all day while also rejecting anything that you can't understand about how to fix health issues. You are closer to the side of those who sold you accutane, than health.
If you want to make news, buy some guns on the darknet (noneed if u are american ofc)and go in a roche lab for example. You need to go through the end of what you look for, health? then stop whine and heal yourself;hate whine and revenge? then do it. cannot choose both.
Science philanthropist describes Accutane as "EPIGENETICALLY HORRIFIC"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k4LezkjNwnY#t=2179
The entire video is a great watch.