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4 hours ago, cnb30 said:@dubyaMy main issue is that while the sexual side effects have been going away, I NEED motivation and passion back. I'm about to start architecture school in NYC and quite frankly, my motivational drive is what got me here. If I fail out that's gonna ruin my life, as I have had a dream to be a great architect since maybe I was 5-6 years old.
Also, how long have you been off accutane too?
Dosage?
3 hours ago, Gladiatoro said:8 hours ago, cnb30 said:@dubyaMy main issue is that while the sexual side effects have been going away, I NEED motivation and passion back. I'm about to start architecture school in NYC and quite frankly, my motivational drive is what got me here. If I fail out that's gonna ruin my life, as I have had a dream to be a great architect since maybe I was 5-6 years old.
Also, how long have you been off accutane too?Dosage?
80 mg for 4 months btw it feels like I have rocks in the front of my head now in case anyone has a similar problem
Nice to see that you finally start to focus on accutane subject, vitamin A. Your SIRT and NAD links are pretty nice.
I try to supplement vitamin A since 5+ years, with positive and negative effects. There was something preventing my body to balance things.
There is certainly part of the body with excess vitamin A in some form, deficiency in others, too much receptors in some, low in others, issue metobolizing it in some, not in other,
liver overreacting and misusing it, etc. or maybe since there is some excess of some sort in some part of the body (skin), it force the body rejecting any vitamin A, everywhere. All speculation, ofc.
Since i started to detox, i was able to take more vitamin A. Not sure but i believe vitamin D helped that, i noticed vitamin D in supplement form is very low effective, even in high amount,
somehow the liver or idk isn't able to use it properly, issue is really in the liver like i told, it's the last thing that's problematic for me. Liver is the bottleneck, for vitamin A & D, specially since when we ingest things it goes straight there. taking it from the sun help that.
So even with all this, and isotherapy who helped those vitamin A issue, there was still problems taking vitamin A. Then i tried to take it with taurine, zinc & magnesium and it helped a lot. But i believe the thing that was the most helpful was that NAD+ for now at least.
I also tried to take vitamin A in suppository form (yea not funny), and it worked far better, don't know why, maybe because it's the most damaged area of the body, i saw some had their colon removed after accutane, vitamin A is one of the most important nutrient for tissue repair. It gave me a strong spike in consciousness level and adrenal strenght (1234) after that and NAD+.
Definitively NAD+ (niagen) has an effect on vitamin A, if i take it after my vitamin A supplement, i feel an effect on the skin and brain (mainly). So now i'm 100% sure that it's the only way, but without detox first, it will never work, cause the body is too damaged to get it's homeostasis back.
good luck : )
It's this thing: [Edited link out]
There is also this thing http://eu.iherb.com/Co-E1-Enada-NADH-5-mg-30-Tablets/10172 but apparently it's NADP/H who's needed, but idk. I think NAD+ (nicotinamide riboside)help raise both.
Thanks anonyy.
I appreciate your insights, sounds like many of us have an issue with how the liver processes Vit A. I'll raise it again - those who claimed to be cured by doing multiple liver flushes were either extremely lucky in that they only suffered a congested liver after accutane or they are completely full of shit in claiming to be cured.
I've done 5 and haven't noticed even one change in levels of energy plus I've taken herbs and supplements targeting liver but to no avail. I have noticed the green stones that one passes after the flush but I don't care about that if my general wellbeing doesn't change after doing them.
Ill be sure to check out NAD.
Strange that you feel no change after liver flushes. You did them with grapefruit or lemon?
If they did the liver flush soon after accutane i believe it's possible, it's time that's damaging with this drug. More you wait without detox, deeper the damage goes (not only from accutane, but all factors).
I used grapefruit with the olive oil.
One of my main problems though is light sensitivity and a feeling like my brain is inflamed ( pseudo tumor!!?? )
I so much want to believe that it is reversible and NOT brain damage! - perhaps just hormonal.
I might be believing too much that liver flushes will rid these issues. I'll assume they are indeed cleaning my liver though as I've seen what comes out.
I may look at taking a Pituitary supplement as I could like other people have a hormonal issue to deal with along with everything else.
I will say that "Neem" supplement makes bowel movements a lot darker which I believe means bile is flowing better. It also tightens them up - no more clay coloured crap or loose stools.
No effect on energy or anything else though that I've noticed!
Triphala and Amla supplements I've yet to try.
It is brain damage (and everywhere), from accutane and diet, environmentetc., but also related to the glandular weakness (specially adrenal). It's not irreversible, but definitively takes years to recover, and only doing perfectly what's required.
I don't believe the "unruffled"green stones are true stones, but the black & yellow one are, i had them the first 5-6 flushes and then no more.
Neem etc can have positive effects but to be honest only the detox/draining herbs are useful and effective, and even these it's difficult to find an effective complex.
Curious. What is the general consensus on lower dosages? Have most of the people having trouble post tane been treated with dosages over 0.5-1mg/kg.
I started a course 12 months ago but called it quits after 3 weeks from knee pain (I had started working out around the same time) and that was on only 20 every second day which I reacted very fast to; red dry face, nose bleeds and zero oil production by only week 2.
I'm considering giving it another go as it is my last resort and scarring is starting to become a major problem. Thinking a low dose course starting at 10mg every 3rd day and sloowly getting my dosage up to 20mg/day, while monitoring side effects(I'm a 70kg Male). All derm approved; he seems to think I'm the sensitive type but if we take it at a snails pace it will give my body time to adjust.
Thoughts? Advice? Prophecies of death? Don't hold back.
Accutane is useless, to treat acne you just avoid all dairy and gluten for 3weeks and it's gone. So if you want to take accutane anyway you can only be mentally retarded. Take a scalpel and remove your skin, it's the same as accutane, but you'll only damage the skin, not the organs.
I don't disagree with you in my case BUT it didn't take those who've claimed to be cured "years" to recover. It is possible to do 10 -12 flushes within 1 year, if we believe what they are saying than they cured themselves rather quickly I would have to say!!
Also there's a lot of disparity with everyone's issues - for me yes it might take years to recover but I'm always reminded of those who took accutane and don't have one single problem - the point being that everyone is different.
I take your point about detoxing though - I will do more flushes regardless as I've got it down to fine art anyway and it can't hurt.
I do like your points though on diet etc - it's one thing to have caused damage with accutane but I guess sometimes we continue to damage our bodies with poor diet and lifestyle choices. You'll never be perfect though - just breathing today's air is enough to cause toxicity.
It never ends.....
Too much liver flush can be too stimulating and have negative effects, i stopped at 12 personnaly, but i should have stop at the 6-7 i think.
I don't think someone can take accutane and have no negative effects, it appears slowly after end of treatment, years after, symptoms are of general type, depression, fatigue, GI tract issue, libido, etc. you can have them without accutanethey are pretty common, people doesn't always make the link.
Yea diet is very important since accutane slows down all body processes, damage eliminative organs and cause intestinal hyperpermeability.
2 hours ago, TrueJustice said:Thanks anonyy.
I appreciate your insights, sounds like many of us have an issue with how the liver processes Vit A. I'll raise it again - those who claimed to be cured by doing multiple liver flushes were either extremely lucky in that they only suffered a congested liver after accutane or they are completely full of shit in claiming to be cured.
I've done 5 and haven't noticed even one change in levels of energy plus I've taken herbs and supplements targeting liver but to no avail. I have noticed the green stones that one passes after the flush but I don't care about that if my general wellbeing doesn't change after doing them.
Ill be sure to check out NAD.
Soon I will also try liver flushes but some people are misinformed about them
1) Those are not real gallstones/liver stones. It's olive you are using to "flush". First thing is that not all people have gallstones, and even less people have liver stones but all people that tried "flushes" had "gallstones/liver stones" in their toilet. Second thing is - pick up from your toilet that "gallstone/liverstone". I know, it's gross but do it for science! Real gallstones/liver stones are hard, round and polished. Opposite of those stones from "flushes" that you can cut with knife.
2) I would NEVER try to liver flush if those worked like people claim. I mean people claim that they had stones couple times wider that their bile ducts. It's of course impossible, but if that was true - that would suggest that they were close to death. No joke, if gallstone is stuck in your bile duct you can die
3) Western classical medicine is not ideal, it harmed everybody in this thread but that doesn't mean that every non-classical medicine is good. What my illnesses from antibiotis teached me is that before you try anything new gather as much info as you can, and think about it in wider perspective
Like I said I still want to try li er flushes, even if I don't believe that they work like people claim, those stones are in reality olive. But that way it's safer, it means that some stuck gallstone will not kill me, and still people claim that they benefited from liver flushes, that mean that they work just not like people think they do
3 hours ago, gms08 said:Curious. What is the general consensus on lower dosages? Have most of the people having trouble post tane been treated with dosages over 0.5-1mg/kg.
I started a course 12 months ago but called it quits after 3 weeks from knee pain (I had started working out around the same time) and that was on only 20 every second day which I reacted very fast to; red dry face, nose bleeds and zero oil production by only week 2.
I'm considering giving it another go as it is my last resort and scarring is starting to become a major problem. Thinking a low dose course starting at 10mg every 3rd day and sloowly getting my dosage up to 20mg/day, while monitoring side effects(I'm a 70kg Male). All derm approved; he seems to think I'm the sensitive type but if we take it at a snails pace it will give my body time to adjust.
Thoughts? Advice? Prophecies of death? Don't hold back.
If you know you are already sensitive to this drug why would you take a risk?
The point is - if you are unlucky enough to suffer from any of the more serious side effects then there is no turning the clock back.
You will face years of misery. You are on this forum so I can only assume you are playing dumb!!
Low dose, high does - it's all the same!
Everything in the body repair itself. When you cut yourself the body repair it (except if the area is too toxic for tissue regrow), it's the same inside. Just some critical part (organs) that takes more time than others. If the environment is good, everything repair itself.
32 minutes ago, anonyy said:Everything in the body repair itself. When you cut yourself the body repair it (except if the area is too toxic for tissue regrow), it's the same inside. Just some critical part (organs) that takes more time than others. If the environment is good, everything repair itself.
So you're saying there is a chance that personality and passion can come back?!?!
Yes it can come back, but depending on the individual it will take month, couple years or more. It's just a vitamin A disregulation, but so deep and so strong that with times new issues appear on top of it (toxicity/failure) so it's pretty difficult.
beta-carotene cant cause issue, only the preformed form. i put cayenne on everything i eat x) didn't knew it had vitamin A.
Found an interesting article on using vitamin A, vitamin D, and iodine to help repair mucous membranes. It sounds pretty convincing, and because of my dry mouth issues, I'll definitely be giving this a try. The only thing I'm cautious about is the vitamin A aspect of it, but I'll start myself out lower than what they recommend for the dose and see what happens.
Link: [Edited link out]
7 hours ago, Umas said:Soon I will also try liver flushes but some people are misinformed about them
1) Those are not real gallstones/liver stones. It's olive you are using to "flush". First thing is that not all people have gallstones, and even less people have liver stones but all people that tried "flushes" had "gallstones/liver stones" in their toilet. Second thing is - pick up from your toilet that "gallstone/liverstone". I know, it's gross but do it for science! Real gallstones/liver stones are hard, round and polished. Opposite of those stones from "flushes" that you can cut with knife.
2) I would NEVER try to liver flush if those worked like people claim. I mean people claim that they had stones couple times wider that their bile ducts. It's of course impossible, but if that was true - that would suggest that they were close to death. No joke, if gallstone is stuck in your bile duct you can die
3) Western classical medicine is not ideal, it harmed everybody in this thread but that doesn't mean that every non-classical medicine is good. What my illnesses from antibiotis teached me is that before you try anything new gather as much info as you can, and think about it in wider perspective
Like I said I still want to try li er flushes, even if I don't believe that they work like people claim, those stones are in reality olive. But that way it's safer, it means that some stuck gallstone will not kill me, and still people claim that they benefited from liver flushes, that mean that they work just not like people think they do
You're not the first person to bring up the idea that all you are passing is olive oil. This gets discussed in Moritz' book on liver flushing.
The stones you are suggesting to pick up and look at - eventually with the flushing, there is nothing to pick up once liver/gallbladder is free of stones!!!
If it's only olive oil one passes you would never know when your liver is free of stones as you would always get the same result. Luckily that's not the case!!
Do the flush by the book though, no shortcuts - 2 ass flushes, one before and one after 
good luck
1 hour ago, TrueJustice said:You're not the first person to bring up the idea that all you are passing is olive oil. This gets discussed in Moritz' book on liver flushing.The stones you are suggesting to pick up and look at - eventually with the flushing, there is nothing to pick up once liver/gallbladder is free of stones!!!
If it's only olive oil one passes you would never know when your liver is free of stones as you would always get the same result. Luckily that's not the case!!
Do the flush by the book though, no shortcuts - 2 ass flushes, one before and one after
good luck
Hm, well I will read about that more. If those are really gallstones/liver stones then I'm not gonna do it. But I am not convinced, still "stones" from those flushes don't look like real gallstones/liver stones. Real gallstone is hard as hell, it's just like some little stone from any backyard, yes stones from flushes are not remotely that hard. I would also sugest doing ultrasonography before, and a fter flushes that would be really good evidence. Not to mention that some people flushed many more "stones" that could be stored in gallbladder, and muich bigger to go through bile duct. How is it possible? Stones should be made smaller first, because if not and flushes are true then it's etremely dangerous. Normally bile duct width is something around 6 or 8 mm I think, and some people claim that they had flushed stones that were way over 1 cm in width. That mean that either flushes are fake or extremely dangeros. If they are real then they should be done under supervision of someone and close to hospital because stone stuck in bile duct is VERY dangerous.