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Bingo! As I mentioned before I had a tetanus shot when I was on accutane.
It not only contains Mercury which is thimerosal but also contains aluminium.
Accutane can enhance Mercury toxicity.
i also had a few amalgams when I was little.
From what I read is that our body cannot detoxify Mercury. And so it leaves deposits in our brain or something.
17 hours ago, guitarman01 said:On 3/28/2016 at 10:32 AM, tryingtohelp2014 said:
pump the brakes on copper. this might be one of the more dangerous supplements ive taken. im having abdominal pain and serious constipation. I am not, and nore should you convince anyone to take this at this point. what you are saying is all speculation. i am concerned for myself right now and if this pain dosent go away real soon. im going to have to go to the hospital. you want this to be it. youve been here before. id think twice about taking anymore copper yourself. what ive taken should be a reasonable dose. maybe copper interaction with accutane was/is our problem all along.
Dude you are the BIGGEST SPAZ i have ever seen post on a msg board. maybe youre having severe abdominal pain from the the probotics youre taking WAY TOO MUCH OF. or the heavy drinking??
1 you didnt get tested
2 you took way toooo much. UTL is for normal people. you arent normal.
3. im feeling better than i have in years.
4. im having followup bloodwork being done this week.
please never respond to me again. you are hurting this forum more than helping.
lololol. hey, at least he tested it out for us...however, we should avoid high amounts of any supplement in my opinion. Saturation is the key with supplements which is a gradual process, not an overnight thing.
on a positive note, i typed out about an hours worth of what i've been doing lately and the progress i have been seeing. then i hit this stupid little back button on my friends mouse and lost it all. Brilliant. I'll update you guys later on then i suppose. Lol, Fcking hell.
Hello!
First of all I want to say that this is probably going to be a long post because I don't know where to start and also because my head is so confused and so messed up lately that I even have a difficulty to think. I have been reading through 260 pages of this thread but I would like to share my story and get some advice on how to even begin with my recovery from these terrible sides from Iso. There is so much information on this thread and so many great ideas that I don't even know where to start. I would also like to say sorry for possible mistakes, because English is not my first language. This is the only place where I can go to to get some answers and to find people who are going through the same stuff as me, because no doctor or friend or even family member believes me if I say that this drug destroyed everything that I was.
I'm 21 years old and I'm a student from Belgium. I took Isotetrinoin (that's the name for Accutane in Belgium) from Octobre 2015 till January 2016. I started with a very low dose (10 mg) and then after one month I took 30 mg until the end of January. I didn't even finish my course. First of all i would like to say that I never had acne or spots when I was in my teens, but suddenly (the last two years in college) I've got several spots on my cheeks and on my chin. They were not really bothering me. It was not mild or severe acne, I'm not sure if you even can call it acne because there were just some red spots somewhere on my face. It was bothering me a little bit, but not to the extend where I would stay at home. I just thought it would be nice or good for my self-esteem to get rid of them. I tried several meds and lotions for one year and a half, but that didn't make any difference. Then a friend told me about this wonderful drug named 'Roaccutane' where you just had to take the miracle pill for several months and then you would be clear for the rest of your life! So I went to my GP and after 5 minutes I was out with a prescription for this drug. He just said that I may had some dry skin or dry eyes while on this drug, but that's all. Stupid, yound and naive enough to believe this. I searched the internet for people's experience on the drug and only discovered great succes stories, I was on cloud nine.
Oh man ... I wish i'd never touched that poison. The last week of my first course my skin was clear and never looked so good. But I will take my several spots that I had back for everything if I knew what was waiting for me. It all started with one night that I felt off, like I wasn't there at all. People would seem unreal and my head was just empty. The next morning I was back to normal and I thought it was maybe because of the stress that I had during my finals. Unfortunately that's not the case. I became very depressed: I cried hours for days for no reason, my mind had developped this depersonalized/derealisezed state, my concentration was zero, I stared at the wall for hours, ... I thought that this will go away because I immediately quit taking these pills the first night I experienced this weird feeling. I went to my GP and complained about my weird mental side effects. She did a blood test and everything was ok , besides low Vitamin D. So I got of these pills and took some vitamin D pills but nothing changed. It's been 3 months now since my last pill and these are the side effects that won't go away and that I never experienced before taking these terrible pills:
-Emotional numnbess: I feel nothing, just emptiness. I feel like I completely lost my personnality. I don't know what my interests are anymore, I don't know how I feel about people or things anymore, I don't care about ANYTHING
-My head is empty: I have no thoughts anymore, when I am in a conversation I don't know what to say , my mind is just blank. I have no thought process and I feel like all the knowledge I had is gone.
-Depression: I'm suicidal everyday and the only thing I do is laying in bed staring at the walls for hours
-I don't taste or better I don't get any satisfaction from food or drinks. LIke for instance I was a smoker, but now smoking does not to me anymore. I dont CRAVE ANYTHING
-My skin is so white and i have a lot of scars
-Hair loss and loss of texture. My hair used to be so soft and pretty. Now it's dead and dry and so messy.
-Shoulder and back acne
-Loss of libido (maybe due to the emotional numnbess) and ED
-I lost a lot of weight and I feel like I lost all my muscles
-.....
I've been going to therapy because of the way I'm feeling lately, but I don't feel like it's helping anything. I've also been described Venlafaxine (anti-depressant SSRI), but I'm so scared that I'm already brain-damaged and that everything I was is sucked out of me so i'm really doubting taking them.
I don't know what to do about all these things. I'm lost. I want to ask you guys what steps I should take to try to recover or at least get better (definetely from my mental state) because nobody seems to know how to help me and this whole thread has a lot of great ideas that I don't know where to start. I would do anything to be mentally OK again and be the OLD ME again. The physcial side effects I can live with, but my mental state is killing me and everyday is such a struggle when normally I would love every second of my fucking perfect life.
9 hours ago, tryingtohelp2014 said:Dude you are the BIGGEST SPAZ i have ever seen post on a msg board. maybe youre having severe abdominal pain from the the probotics youre taking WAY TOO MUCH OF. or the heavy drinking??
1 you didnt get tested
2 you took way toooo much. UTL is for normal people. you arent normal.
3. im feeling better than i have in years.
4. im having followup bloodwork being done this week.please never respond to me again. you are hurting this forum more than helping.
ok didnt expect this. pretty defencive of your most recent theory i see. Im just being open and honest with people. I dont really care how i come across. im not here for likes. im not going to get into it with you. just make sure you keep a critical mind. im not trying to lead people astray. id be the first to tell them if i think something might be doing more harm then good. theres two things either 1:we still have vitamin a stored in some secret vault that copper unlocks or B: we dont. So what is copper doing if we dont? minus the stored vitamin a theory excess copper outside the diet isnt good for anyone. so lets just keep this in mind.
Stay away from supplements. I been there, tried it, really no lasting success. Nutrients are more effectively absorbed at the "lower doses" coming from a balanced diet. If you want copper eat kale and spinach. Humans didn't evolve from eating pills.
If any one of ushad severe hypervitaminosis Askin would be peeling off in sheets like someone who atepolar bear liver. Both 13-cis and all-trans retinoic acids have relatively short half lives, they do not last for very long in the body. Look it up.
Thanks for the post about Humaworm. That's exactly what I am looking for. Everything adds up. Makes sense when I eat garlic raw and in excess (usually swallowing a large raw amount)/take high dose iodine (which is a potent anti-fungal/bacterial/everything) that I feel like a normal person. It may not cure everything but I think combined with the methylation, I'd be on a much better path. Finally somebody offering something with respect to addressing the "bad things living inside of us". It's not just one bad thing. But I suppose time will tell to see if it works. It also seems like a good place to start too, because it can be throwing everything else out of balance.
Take care,
13 hours ago, HideAndSeak said:-Emotional numnbess: I feel nothing, just emptiness. I feel like I completely lost my personnality. I don't know what my interests are anymore, I don't know how I feel about people or things anymore, I don't care about ANYTHING
-My head is empty: I have no thoughts anymore, when I am in a conversation I don't know what to say , my mind is just blank. I have no thought process and I feel like all the knowledge I had is gone.
-Depression: I'm suicidal everyday and the only thing I do is laying in bed staring at the walls for hours
-I don't taste or better I don't get any satisfaction from food or drinks. LIke for instance I was a smoker, but now smoking does not to me anymore. I dont CRAVE ANYTHING
-My skin is so white and i have a lot of scars
-Hair loss and loss of texture. My hair used to be so soft and pretty. Now it's dead and dry and so messy.
-Shoulder and back acne
-Loss of libido (maybe due to the emotional numnbess) and ED
-I lost a lot of weight and I feel like I lost all my muscles
-.....
Yep, that will all sound very familiar to almost everyone on this thread. I'd start by trying to eat a clean diet, cutting out sugar and gluten where possible, eat probiotic rich foods and see how things go.
It's pretty much the same sides as you get from other 5AR inhibitors like finasteride, propecia and the herb saw palmetto. There seems to be 100x more people suffering the impact from those drugs as they're probably more widely used.
Guys, my son is wanting to try to beef up. He's hoping to start lifting weights, like before he had accutane side effects. He wants to take zinc, manganese, and creatine. He also wants to increase his protein intake. I lost track of whether taking zinc is good or not. Advice, please? What should I tell him regarding these supplements?
Guitarman, glad to see you back on the forum. I was worried about you with your abdominal pain.
Is anyone experiencing liver/gallbladderpain?
Hi guys, sorry to butt in. I've been off accutane for about 9 months now and only took it for 6 weeks. I've had lots of problem come and go, usually on a rotation, stomach problems and muscle ache persist. Recently I started getting a liver ache. Started in a gallbladder area and now it is all over my liver, turning around my rib cage to the back, back hurts as well. I've had liver function test done a few month ago, all normal, and now waiting for an ultra sound, but it's taking ages.I have a very healthy diet.
Does any of you experience liver area pain. Is it inflammation?
Thanks a million
3 hours ago, Justmom said:Guys, my son is wanting to try to beef up. He's hoping to start lifting weights, like before he had accutane side effects. He wants to take zinc, manganese, and creatine. He also wants to increase his protein intake. I lost track of whether taking zinc is good or not. Advice, please? What should I tell him regarding these supplements?
Just remind him that our bodies are very sensitive now and he has to transition gradually. Tendons and joints inflame and injure much easier. Muscle cell turnover rate isn't how it used to be, at least for most of us. Zinc and manganese should already come in whatever protein powder milkshake he takes after workout, and from foods he eats, which should equal to or about 15-20mg, which is what one should consume daily. I don't think there is any need for extra, but he can experiment for what he feels works best. Creatine is very strong. It affected my pancreas in a negative way. My creatinine levels were already high and I had no need to take Creatine, and I was just taking 5mg a day. So, one should really go easy on it. Also, never take creatine and drink alcohol the same night, it's really a lot of stress for the pancreas.
Hello together,
Im from Switzerland and this is my first post in this forum. Ive discovered accidentally this thread while I was searching for informations in the internet. Sorry for my English, it is not mother tongue. Unfortunately, it doesn't have such a good thread like this here in a German forum.
I had my accutane treatment for over 10 years ago but Im still suffering on the long term side effects of this horrible drug!!!
These are my side effects after taking these pills:
- Extremely fatigue
- Strong dizziness in the morning hours
- No concentration
- Zero motivation to do my hobbies
- I feel never rested.
- I feel stressed out for no reason.
- Heavy sweating
- Hot flashes in my body (Mostly at night)
- Regularly cold feet and hands
- Erectile dysfunction (My libido is ok)
- Problems to fall in asleep at night
- Dry lips and dry skin (I can solve this with creams)
This is my current supplement (Ive started 2 weeks ago)
- Taurine 5000mg
- No alcohol, no caffeine
- Walnuts, cashew nuts (It contains copper)
I also ordered copper tablets in the internet. Which dosage would you recommend? 4mg daily?
i think that is too much taurine. Also, the copper theory hasn't had much success. I myself take a product daily that contains 2mg of copper in it. I personally wouldn't go over 2mg because like you said, we also get some from foods.
When it comes to supplements I like to stay right around the RDA unless it is a vitamin or amino acid, things like that, but metals and other chemicals I chill out with.
2 hours ago, macleod said:i think that is too much taurine. Also, the copper theory hasn't had much success. I myself take a product daily that contains 2mg of copper in it. I personally wouldn't go over 2mg because like you said, we also get some from foods.
When it comes to supplements I like to stay right around the RDA unless it is a vitamin or amino acid, things like that, but metals and other chemicals I chill out with.
we've had a total of 3 people get tested for copper plus myself... all came back deficient. the odds of this happening are ridiculous. we need MORE people to get tested, and to stop talking out of their ass and experimenting with symptoms!!!!!!! we have NO IDEA what we are absorbing from foods. we have NO IDEA how much of what we have stored in the liver right now. ive ate a copper rich diet for 20 years and im still low??? multiminerals are the wrong thing to take.
i would not take an amount higher than the RDA in addition to a normal diet until you get testested and retested. Like ive said, my brain hasnt felt this good in years. the brain fog is gone, ive been going to the gym 2x a day for weeks. i attribute this to increased dopamine? im motivated again.
i see new people on here and post their symptoms...white skin , scars that wont heal, cant think, cant talk. and it just sickens me. GET TESTED! we can rule things out
Yea, but if you start to claim progress, people are just gonna take it without getting tested. i'm not gonna argue about copper, but i've read a enough to know that there is no need to go over 2mg a day, if that. balancing deficiencies is great and all, but the fact of the matter is that Accutane damaged glands in the body and the brain. I rather put efforts into balancing hormone deficiencies than minerals. Being slightly deficient in copper or even a vitamin isn't exactly gonna make a doctor jump out of his seat. You can still get a clean bill of health. in any case, all around homeostasis is what we are going for, so it's fine.
Highly improbable that accutane is stored in our bodies, but it could of quite possibly damaged cell structure on a microscopic level (perforations in the liver or such). And what's more likely is that it knocked key regulatory systems out of whack. Whether it's permanent or not, time will tell. Sorry to knock copper in my last post, but i just don't think mineral deficiency is the end game.
1 hour ago, macleod said:Yea, but if you start to claim progress, people are just gonna take it without getting tested. i'm not gonna argue about copper, but i've read a enough to know that there is no need to go over 2mg a day, if that. balancing deficiencies is great and all, but the fact of the matter is that Accutane damaged glands in the body and the brain. I rather put efforts into balancing hormone deficiencies than minerals. Being slightly deficient in copper or even a vitamin isn't exactly gonna make a doctor jump out of his seat. You can still get a clean bill of health. in any case, all around homeostasis is what we are going for, so it's fine.
Highly improbable that accutane is stored in our bodies, but it could of quite possibly damaged cell structure on a microscopic level (perforations in the liver or such). And what's more likely is that it knocked key regulatory systems out of whack. Whether it's permanent or not, time will tell. Sorry to knock copper in my last post, but i just don't think mineral deficiency is the end game.
how do you think hormones are balanced exactly? what hormone deficiency have you been tested for?
minerals balance hormones by themselves.
zinc and copper play a huge role just by themselves with testosterone and estrogen. copper is huge with seratonin, dopamine, epinephrine etc. iodine for everything thyroid. etc etc
Has anyone on this forum been, or knows someone, diagnosed with autoimmune hepatitis/liver inflammation? I looked for 5 minutes and found at least 2 people on other forums being diagnosed. This explains a lot of our liver problems and other side effects like muscle fatigue, lack of energy, jaundice, etc. I don't think accutane stays in the body. This drug goes through it, kills off gut flora (like some antibiotics) and causes lots of autoimmune disorders.Crohn's, Ulcerative colitis, rheumatoid arthritis, all auto immune deceases people suffer from after accutane.
^ spot on. widespread inflammation in my tendons/joints and pancreas. my muscle cells are also altered. very little gains for the amount of time i put in. little to no pump. no lactic acid feeling whatsoever. very minimal sweating. if only we could find a way to make our bodies start producing oil again...i would kill for a face full of acne at this point.
On 4/1/2016 at 12:28 AM, HaniaD said:Is anyone experiencing liver/gallbladder pain?
Your liver & gallbladder are congested. Look into liver flushing. Andreas Moritz wrote the most comprehensive book on the subject. It's helping me a lot. If you are worried about them being a real thing, look here. I can guarantee you if you do at least five of them, you'll know if they're real 
*they are*
Also, I suggest people here look into chlorine dioxide (MMS). They're curing almost everything with it. Watch quantumleap.is documentary. I ordered mine yesterday. You can get a clean source in glass bottles from mmsforhealth.com. A year's supply is around $25.
Google Jim Humble, Andreas Kalcker, Kerri Rivera, etc. CDautism.org or join the facebook group. Great stuff.
Look into turpentine as well. That can get rid of intestinal parasites. Google Dr. Jennifer Daniels interview on turpentine.
Turpentine should be 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine. You can get a clean source from diamondgforestproducts.com.
Andreas Kalcker has a great parasite protocol that's an option as well.
Lastly, watch this entire video from Dietrich Klinghardt, Ph.D. I typed up a summary here: [Edited link out]
I think there is a toxicity & microbial issue with us. Soon, I will be attacking everything with liposomal colloidal silver, liposomal Artemisinin, biocidin, chlorine dioxide, turpentine, and ozonated essential oils
This information is valuable. Please consider combing through it
On 4/3/2016 at 3:02 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:Your liver & gallbladder are congested. Look into liver flushing. Andreas Moritz wrote the most comprehensive book on the subject. It's helping me a lot. If you are worried about them being a real thing, look here. I can guarantee you if you do at least five of them, you'll know if they're real
Also, I suggest people here look into chlorine dioxide (MMS). They're curing almost everything with it. Watch quantumleap.is documentary. I ordered mine yesterday. You can get a clean source in glass bottles from mmsforhealth.com. A year's supply is around $25.
Google Jim Humble, Andreas Kalcker, Kerri Rivera, etc. CDautism.org or join the facebook group. Great stuff.Look into turpentine as well. That can get rid of intestinal parasites. Google Dr. Jennifer Daniels interview on turpentine.
Turpentine should be 100% pure gum spirits of turpentine. You can get a clean source from diamondgforestproducts.com.
Andreas Kalcker has a great parasite protocol that's an option as well.Lastly, watch this entire video from Dietrich Klinghardt, Ph.D. I typed up a summary here: [Edited link out]
I think there is a toxicity & microbial issue with us. Soon, I will be attacking everything with liposomal colloidal silver, liposomal Artemisinin, biocidin, chlorine dioxide, turpentine, and ozonated essential oils
This information is valuable. Please consider combing through it
I totally agree with doing the liver flushes - gets rid of stones and hopefully gets our livers back into better shape.
I would be cautious though in taking all those supplements you've mentioned - that's a lot for your liver to process!!
overall though, I like your approach to improving your health - good luck!
Im about to see a gastroenterologist, besides SIBO test, does anyone have advice on exactly what to have them look at??
what good bacteria are we lacking post accutane??
What antibiotics or medicine should we be looking at taking?
I ask that cause I'm going to get angry/frustrated very quickly if all they suggest is taking probiotics!!
Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated!