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Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

 
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(@alantookaccutanewow)

Posted : 09/26/2015 3:29 pm

Hey guys :) i think a year ago I was 1 year post my accutane treatment and I postet that my life is fucked and stuff like that. I'm 19 rn and figured out some things. Don't hate on me I'm in a similar situation than most of us, but think about that my friends.

We had acne. Why we been taking accutane. Cause our life sucked with acne. And let's be real to ourselves. Acne is shit. I was 17 had moderate acne for 3 years I wanted accutane really bad I had a bad doc, that doesn't wanted me to be on it. But it was like I don't had enough life experience to think about consequences or real pain, only had it as a child so I didn't remember fully . So me probably most of us took it to have a better life. Which is really possible. Okay maybe we're the few unlucky ones that got got sides, maybe that stuff would come up even tho without it. We don't know. only thing that us taking accutane is saying that were positive people in general that think of a good outcome. I was an semi pro athlete. I had to stop because of joint pain. I'll be doing everything to.come back to my sport. cause you know what life is too short and the thing is cause of accutane we denie ourselfes to be happy. thats the thing. shit happens to people. nobody forced us to take accutane even we don't know about it. People experiencing mistakes that are worse than ours. Some guys I know been dying cause one of them was not driving right. What about them, their life is fucked and I hope their in heaven. So my brothers we have to man up. Accutane is fucking with us. I was diagnosed with middle depression cause of that. They told me to.take meds but I denied it and forced me.to. do stuff that makes me feel better. DEPRESSION is the biggest thing we have to correct in this blog for most of us. That's it. And I'm sorry but I think this forum sucks for the most part. Everybody that's in my age and going trough same try to get through it it'll get better no doubt. My libido is still low but getting better. So the "Men" here in this blog that tryna help people that are it the same situation you don't do shit for them to feel better, this blog just took me more in it. My advice for all in this blog is. Treat Depression; that's number 1. Don't denie it. It'll make things way worse. I feel different since accutane and have my down days but don't let these things take over your life. It'll get better. Second is your body needs time to help yourself. But if your stressed all the time cause of accutane+ depressed= no time for body to regenerate.Plus for some it'll cause feeling bad and worsen body pains. 1 advice. TRY YOGA, MEDIATING. We have two brains. One is responsible for things like action, weight lifting, adrenalin,all active things. The other is responsible for healing and stuff like that. So my advise if you feel like your in your head most time and not in real.life. Do Things that let you feel your body. Let someone massage you, go to the sauna, learn mediation and go.to a good yoga school on a regular basis, do regular stretching if you want with binaural beats. I promise after those things you ll sleep good your body has time to heal and calms down and gets balanced. PLUS that try sports. If you can try Leigh weight lifting it ll support your joint. Before workout do dynamic stretching. Go jogging. If that's not possible try swimming or by cycling. I started with swimming now I'm back to leight calisthenics. Adapt to your situation instead of acting a little kid and only complaining about it, popping some pills, sitting and feeling bad about yourself. Ive been in the same I missed lifetime,.lost health, and build problems..... So instead of saying why me im.too young for this. be like ok I experience this shit. still im me. I'm getting stronger even all others don't belive us. It makes us stronger than most, if we get though it. Supplements and good eating is good :) Thing I can recommend which helped me or it been time going by is collagen hydrolysate. It's great for joints digestion, and mental health. Buy it if you have similar probs and give it a year of daily use. All takes time. There's no quick fix, but the main thing it's getting better bros :). People that have strong digestion can try gelatine powder, but for me it is killing my digestion. Rn I tried it a week,.and my digestion is going crazy like the months after accutane. So be careful and try hydrolysate maybe it'll help you like it did for me. 2 thing is don't be like naaaa I will live 100% healthy , cause of that you ll maybe miss good times. If your post tane and your with friends they wanna drink some DO IT. You ll have fun. Smoke some weed on a good party. It's A1. Doing some hookah or eating some fast food it's okay :)

Cause you know most people here take organic stuff way to important. Our body and our brain is connected. Both influences each other. So feeling good= better feeling in general= less depression= Less body pains and feeling tired and sick. I was with a mental health doc after the sides pulled me down and the inet making it worse. She was like boy I think your brain chemistry is out of balance you need some medications. You have to acting depression symptoms. But I was like I'll want to wait. Do some taking therapy instead. It can also change brain physiology. I wasn't doing it and figured stuff out for myself. Bless god :) You know where thinking causes a body answer. You think of a lemon. Your mouth answers. It's same with negative emotions and thinking. So be positive. There is a strong side. Let it come though. There's one easier to.do.sayimg you life sucks I don't wanna go out rn or work and sit alone and feel bad. The harder thing to do is going out doing things out of your comfort zone. Do those and let this side win even it feel soo fucking shit and in the end you feel right. Cause we're feeling bad cause deep.down we know the way we acting is wrong. Plus I feel most of us are gens rally unhappy with their life. I don't want to attack some but it's my opinion. Do we have a job we like? Do we have friends we like ? Maybe no women ? Family Struggle or.other stuff. So come guys let's make it easy and blame eyerything on a drug. Naaa Let's man up bros:). I feel like we need this on that blog cause most of us acting like pussys me included a few time ago. Last sentence: My granddad was in war 2. They stole 5 years of his life, took good friends/family, he was hurt, he was so I'll he nearly died cause of an illness.His whole joints were swollen. He had cancer 4 times. Still he's a real MAN. He going through all of this without complaining, made his way from rack.to riches, helped his fam, Nice to all people, respected, 92 years old and healthy with a smile on his face and caring for others, even though he was confronting dead often in his life. So guys we have the choice. I myself feel bad and my mood still swings bacause of my joint pain, sexual probs that appear sometimes. But man's and girls Maybe everything will be fine in a year 2,3,4,5. I'm working on getting better and even tho I lack sometimes I know that I'm doing it at least we should try it for our family's cause you know what, they are hurted when they see us like that. And fams everything So Endure some and Give them peace :) I could go on for hours but I'll need to sleep. Hope I'll help some guys here. The guys that hating it's okay I know you just do it because you feel attacked in your comfort zone. Grow up!!!! I'm not saying these words cause I want to hurt those that felt like me it's just advice. Cause accepting is all we can do.Maybe it is accutane maybe it's life maybe it's us genetics. We don't know. Live live the fullest and don't forget to man up. We only have one and need to try best to make those we love and love us to have a happy life. If you want more advice just text me. Maybe it'll take some time to answer cause I'm not that often here cause it's making us more depressed than we already are. Get it out of your head and do stuff you enjoy;) Praise all people here I wish best for you allBless you guys and girls˜º and thx for reading hope it could help you.

Appreciate the enthusasm but seems like maybe you weren't hit with the mental side effects some of us have been. I'm talking mentally sunken, not being able to be normal in conversation. always being the odd man. I was a real character in highschool and then accutane happened and I became pretty um, disconnected is a good word. Some people think I'm just straight up mental, or some think oh what an asshole. But me myself and I am stuck inside my own head knowing that it's not true is not going to be enough to make things reality. Accutane is a brain cancer drug and a lot of us were put on too much of it, and also possibly had more personality at risk. My personality did NOT want to be taned out like this. Here we are, yes still. This fourm IS my only hope.

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Posted : 09/26/2015 8:06 pm

Na, What you describes fittet to me. A good mate is in same boat.You be like maybe your not in the same boat, you can't know how I bad I feel. Maybe I can maybe can't but either way it's not helping. I was on too much tane too. 1 year and a half on 30-50mg ranging. I don't want to be the dick in this forum but the thing is people that didn't experienced same can't believe us.

Plus were a minority of people. Phrama have the money. If they don't want people to be aware of sides they will not know about it. That's a fact. Even my own fam don't believe me my accutane experience and think I'm overreacting. So how could people that hear of it the first time believe us if even our closest don't. The thing is I don't want the people on here wasting their lifetime searching for a miracle cure trough some supplements. Too many on here did it and still do it. We have to face reality and need to try making the best out of everything. Alan your sides sound more heavier than mine I'm sorry for that. But still you don't want to be taned out me either not, no one here. But it happend, it's reality. And focussing and saying the forum is my only hope, if it didn't get better my life sucks isn't helping. Most post here are the same. It's good if your positive but accutane is hell of earth you took it your fucked, I took it I'm fucked. If I don't find a cure life sucks. We have no other choice than to be unhappy. But that's our own thoughts. I don't want to attack anyone here but I think that wirh all the negative we damage our body and brain more than with only tane.

So Man's I will stay positive and try best even If I will not find the "miracle cure". It's like your own choice. Hope some follow me and think the same. Ironical that we look for a miracle cure for the miracle cure accutane should be for us. Accutane wasn't it so why should we found it now ? That's my thoughts. Be positive but real , and not living in clouds.

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Posted : 09/27/2015 1:53 am

Good question Lucas, I think they are both terrible drugs, I've been damaged by accutane and then ssri finished me off to the point that every day I wish I was just dead. If it answers your question

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Posted : 09/27/2015 12:46 pm

 

 

I just want to give an update on my trials with tianeptine (i'm using the sulfate version). It is definitely having a positive affect which I am fairly certain is not placebo (first week I wasn't too sure). I dissolve about 28-36 mg of tianeptine sulfate on my gums and feel zippier throughout the day.

 

Are you still taking tianeptine macleod, or have you phased this out?

 

I'm currently taking the sups suggested by Mario Vitali with regards to his theory on reducing Endoplasmic Reticulum stress, however in the meantime I've been reading up on BDNF (Brain-derived neurotrophic factor) - low levels of which are associated with poor cognitive function/brain fog/derealisation which many people suffer from post tane (me included).

 

Another member suggested that low BDNF could be a factor behind brain fog, and thing I've found that DEFINITELY result in an improvement for me are;

 

- pine pollen

- pumpkin seeds

 

Pumpkin seeds are a very good source of zinc, and zinc has been shown as an effective way to increase BDNF. I've tended to snack on these regularly for quite a while now, but recently I was abroad on business and I noticed after a couple of days I felt quite brain fogged and quite introverted too, less chatty etc. I realised one thing I was missing from my diet was pumpkin seeds so I went out and managed to find a health food shop which sold pumpkin seeds, and within hours of eating some there was an improvement which I do not believe to be a placebo.

 

Tianepetine is another thing that increases BDNF so I'm wondering if this could be factor in your improved mental sides.

 

Noopept (another nootropic) also raises BDNF and Otto stated in a recent post that this pretty much completely cures his brain fog (but it appears only whilst taking it).

 

Other ways to increase BDNF are.. no surprise, fasting (seems to be THE one single most beneficial thing for people trying to recover), good diet (low sugar, avoid processed foods) and exercise (intensive, e.g. running).

 

Edit:

 

Interestingly this study shows that zinc deficiency is also a factor in inducing Endoplasmic Reticulum stress;

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23748779

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Posted : 09/27/2015 7:53 pm

Yea, I been taking it everyday. It's something I look forward to when waking up in the morning. It temporarily gets rid of brain fog, exercise seems a little better, appetite increases, and also no anxiety when in public. Also, its helping to regulate my sleep. I'm actually falling asleep at 10pm and waking up at 7am. I thought I'd never see the day I'd get normal sleep again. It's such a mild subtle drug, but it's working, i think...

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Posted : 09/27/2015 11:07 pm

malanesenicola, I had the IGF-1 Diasorin Liaison XL test, which I believe is very accurate. I was right near the top of the reference range. It's been nearly 20 years since I've been off the poison. Perhaps my IGF-1 level was low once, but now my body has compensated and is pumping out more than the average person?

It's been about 10 years since I've had my DHT levels tested and then it was in the mid range.

My SHBG is right at the bottom of the reference range. My cortisol is high, my LH is low and my testosterone is low.

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Posted : 09/28/2015 7:05 am

What is worse - Accutane or SSRIs?

 

clearly Accutane

 

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Posted : 09/28/2015 12:51 pm

Yea, I been taking it everyday. It's something I look forward to when waking up in the morning. It temporarily gets rid of brain fog, exercise seems a little better, appetite increases, and also no anxiety when in public. Also, its helping to regulate my sleep. I'm actually falling asleep at 10pm and waking up at 7am. I thought I'd never see the day I'd get normal sleep again. It's such a mild subtle drug, but it's working, i think...

 

Good to hear you're still having a positive effect from it. I'm guessing that will be down to it increasing BDNF. I've got some Noopept to try at some point, so it'll be interesting to see if that has an effect. I'm going to start twice weekly jogs to see if that lessens brain fog at all. I don't expect fast results though.

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Posted : 09/28/2015 3:34 pm

A dermatologist told me that about 12% of the people that finish a Roaccutane course, are not totally cured and they'll get a milder form of acne. She told me the side effects will be temporary and I asked her if there can be permanent side effects and she said no, which is obv bs. My question is, what do you think the % is for people who are being left with permanent side effects?

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Posted : 09/29/2015 5:12 am

A dermatologist told me that about 12% of the people that finish a Roaccutane course, are not totally cured and they'll get a milder form of acne. She told me the side effects will be temporary and I asked her if there can be permanent side effects and she said no, which is obv bs. My question is, what do you think the % is for people who are being left with permanent side effects?

 

I don't think, that you will find any scientific studies around this. But I would assume, the number is rather low. Just look at this forum. How many people post regularly here? Some dozens maybe over time. And million of people have taken accutane or the generic version of it.

 

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Posted : 09/29/2015 8:21 am

A dermatologist told me that about 12% of the people that finish a Roaccutane course, are not totally cured and they'll get a milder form of acne. She told me the side effects will be temporary and I asked her if there can be permanent side effects and she said no, which is obv bs. My question is, what do you think the % is for people who are being left with permanent side effects?

 

That's a tough question. It depends on the severity of the side effects. For most of us in this thread that range from physical to neurological, I'd say 2-3%. For some, including the founder of this site, permanent joint and tendon inflammation is a bit more common, 5-7%.

 

All in all, I would say about 10% of people don't walk away completely unscathed from Accutane. I used to think that number was a lot lower, but after many years of research, and hearing many stories, that number has gone up significantly.

 

I do believe Accutane has and can treat people successfully. But, it's a very complicated and uncontrollable drug. Dermatologists like to purport that they have some form of control, that it's a retinoid, that is temporarily in the blood, and excreted through renal, but it's imperative that every patient realize he/she is walking into a casino, where one is at a whim of odds (possibly genetic).

 

Adding to the complications, aside from a companies job to sweep negative publicity about its drugs and denounce adverse effects, is that many of the side effects don't show up until months, even years, after cessation of Accutane. A person with chronic pancreatitis years later or arthritis of the joints may not attribute it to the drug they took several years prior. Some of the side effects are common enough in a population that correlation is...pointless.

 

It's very disheartening to hear a dermatologist say that there is no possibility of permanent side effects when the literature you will receive while taking the drug is pages and pages long. I assure you it is not a formality and no company opts to put waivers on their drugs if they don't have to. That should be common sense that overrides a dermatologists first hand experience in treating patients within their little practice. I just hope that they stop soliciting this powerful drug to teens with mild to moderate acne as was done to me. I would only prescribe this drug to patients with severe disfiguring acne. But then again, I'm just a semi-intelligent compassionate person, and I'm not being pressured by a pharmaceutical company or my peers.

 

If you can, show your doctor my post on your cell phone. See what she says.

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Posted : 09/29/2015 8:29 pm

thanks for your answers.

 

@macleod, I will show her, but I hope it's not going to be the case. This is an awful decision I have to make and I hope I won't need to take Roaccutane. I've been very unlucky in the last 6 years or so, I can definitely see myself being left with permanent side effects.

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Posted : 09/29/2015 11:28 pm

thanks for your answers.

 

@macleod, I will show her, but I hope it's not going to be the case. This is an awful decision I have to make and I hope I won't need to take Roaccutane. I've been very unlucky in the last 6 years or so, I can definitely see myself being left with permanent side effects.

 

Best advice I can give is try topical first. I wish I would of tried topical ANYTHING before taking pills of any kind.

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Posted : 09/30/2015 8:20 am

Nah, I've had acne for a long time now, you can read here what I'm talking about:

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Posted : 09/30/2015 2:11 pm

Then take the pills. Get the 40mg yellow ones, they are the strongest.

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Posted : 09/30/2015 6:22 pm

yeah, if in a month time I keep getting back severe acne, after I've started eating everything again, I won't waste any more time and take Roaccutane. thanks for your answers.

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Posted : 09/30/2015 10:17 pm

Below is are the findings from my Rhein 24 Hour Urine test. Please note that I low 5ar-THF, which, anecdotally, is a characteristic of many people who report adverse long term effects of accutane and propecia. I'm curious if more people were to get tested with the Rhein 24 Urine panel, if they would also show similar low levels of 5ar-THF.

Estrone (E1) 3.1 (3-12)

Estradiol (E2) 2.2

Estriol (E3) 5.6 (1-16)

Total Estrogens 11 (4-22)

Testosterone 105 (45-85) HIGH

DHT 14 (0-13) HIGH

Androstanediol 324 (48-578)

androstenedione 1.9

DHEA 39 (5-1476) *My doctor said this number was low despite being within laboratory norms

7-keto DHEA 118 (6-34) HIGH

Androstenetriol (5-AT) 286 (42-710)

Androsterone (AN) 3907 (798-4705)

11b-OH-Androsterone (OHAN) 527 (461-1692)

Etiocholanolone (ET) 3902 (689-3252) High

11b-OH-Etiocholanolone (OHET) 446 (134-1186)

Progesterone NONE DETECTED

Pregnanediol (PD) 315 (32-501)

5-Pregnenetriol (5-PT) 177 (28-1062)

Pregnenolone 0.8

Cortisone (E) 188 (92-366)

THE 3189 (1365-5788)

THB 107 (32-238)

5a-THB 222 (135-588)

THA 98 (52-277)

Cortisol (F) 102 (35-168)

THF 1593 (942-2800)

5a-THF 627 (796-2456) Low

A forum that I am following with great interest, and that was previously posted on this forum is here--> [Edited link out]. I'll watch and see if others are able to replicate the original poster's results, but the working theory is to treat the endoplasmic reticulum stress caused by low 5ar-THF.

Keep fightin' the good fight!

~A2

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Posted : 10/01/2015 3:07 pm

On 10/1/2015 at 9:17 AM, A2Person said:

A forum that I am following with great interest, and that was previously posted on this forum is here-->[Edited link out] I'll watch and see if others are able to replicate the original poster's results, but the working theory is to treat the endoplasmic reticulum stress caused by low 5ar-THF.

It's certainly an interesting theory A2, are you following the protocol by any chance? I'm taking the suggested sups (had most of them anyway, so it wasn't hard to get just a couple of extra ones like Tudca, currently 10 days in). Ordered a 23andme but I'm still awaiting delivery of the kit 2 weeks since ordering, said 5-7 days UK delivery but taking its time.

On 10/2/2015 at 1:18 AM, eph95 said:

I see some people on here are struggling with post accutane depression, me too. Does anyone know any good supplements for dealing with this? I was never depressed before I took Isotretinoin. I took this drug for only 1 month, and its been a year since i came off it, and i still have side effects. it doesnt make any sense. I have considered taking antidepressants but i fear this will complicate things even further, i will only use them as a last resort. This depression is very bad i havent felt anything like this before. Anyone got any sups to recommend?

cheers,

Ed.

You'll probably find the depression subsides on its own. I had a number of issues which at the time I didn't know were tane sides, but looking back since finding out about the symptoms they definitely were (and unfortunately I'm still suffering with a number of them).

For depression I think I'd be taking SAMe along with methylation supporting supplements (active B6, B12, folate) based on a study on the matter, have a read of the study below. It specifically looks at isotretinion (accutane) along with some other retinoids.

http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/etd/13056/

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depressed patients have low levels of folate, other B-vitamins, and s-adenosylmethionine (SAM), all compounds essential for maintaining effective methyl group metabolism

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Posted : 10/01/2015 7:25 pm

 

On 10/2/2015 at 2:07 AM, tanedout said:

It's certainly an interesting theory A2, are you following the protocol by any chance? I'm taking the suggested sups (had most of them anyway, so it wasn't hard to get just a couple of extra ones like Tudca, currently 10 days in). Ordered a 23andme but I'm still awaiting delivery of the kit 2 weeks since ordering, said 5-7 days UK delivery but taking its time.

A forum that I am following with great interest, and that was previously posted on this forum is here--> [Edited link out] I'll watch and see if others are able to replicate the original poster's results, but the working theory is to treat the endoplasmic reticulum stress caused by low 5ar-THF.

@Tanedout,

Exciting to hear that you are following the protocol first reported in May 2015 on the forum Phoenix Rising. Please update us on your progress and feel welcome to clue the Phoenix Rising forum members in as well. Originally, I was going to wait a few weeks to complete the the 23andMeDNA, test then use those results to start a customized version of the 2015supplementalprotocol. However, I just received this trial-and-error suggestion from a Phoenix Rising forum member:

I just wanted to throw my two cents in here on DNA testing. I've done it and I think it's interesting, but not terribly useful at this point, at least for me. I do recommend that people should get it done. You might just find something important. And the more people that have it done, the more likely we will be to identify patterns that might help us all. But I would not recommend basing treatment decisions too heavily on current unproven theories based on common snps. I think it is more important to simply observe how you feel using different treatments, and base your decisions on that. And I certainly would not wait on DNA testing before trying something that I think might be helpful.

I think I'll focus on raising my DHEA levels first and then starting the 2015supplementalprotocol. Thus far, the originator of the protocol has reported a full recovery from propecia symptoms.

Best!

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Posted : 10/02/2015 12:01 am

How DHEA can be raised?

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Posted : 10/02/2015 10:24 pm

Wanted to share my Rhein 24-HR USP results:

 

(All units are micrograms/24hrs)

 

TEST RESULT REFERENCE RANGE

 

Estrone (E1) 9.0 3-12

Estradiol (E2) 3.5 0-7

Estriol (E3) 6.7 1-16

Total Estrogens 19 4-22

 

Testosterone 109 45-85 (H)

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) 28 0-13 (H)

Androstanediol 182 48-578

Androstenedione 210 (no established range)

DHEA 250 5-1476

Androstenetriol (5-AT) 1784 42-710 (H)

 

Androsterone (AN) 6042 798-4705 (H)

11b-OH-Androsterone (OHAN) 744 461-1692

Etiocholanolone (ET) 8004 689-3252 (H)

11b-OH-Etiocholanolone (OHET) 285 134-1186

Pregnanediol (PD) 790 32-501 (H)

(^ indicative of progesterone levels)

 

5-Pregnenetriol (5-PT) 109 28-1062

Cortisone (E) 189 92-366

THE 4943 1365-5788

 

THB 194 32-238

5a-THB 318 135-588

THA 155 52-277

Cortisol (F) 151 35-168

THF 1857 942-2800

5a-THF 787 796-2456 (L)

 

 

 

24hr Rheins urine analysis provides measurements of THF (tetrahydrocortisol) and 5a-THF (allo-tetrahydrocortisol), and the ratio of 5a-THF to THF ( ie: 5a-THF / THF ) follows the 5alpha reductase activity, ie:

 

high ( 5a-THF / THF > 1.3 ) shows high 5 alpha reductase activity (above 90 percentile)

 

mid ( 5a-THF / THF = 0.8 ) shows average 5 alpha reductase activity

 

low ( 5a-THF / THF < 0.6) shows low 5 alpha reductase activity (below 10 percentile)

 

 

My 5a-THF / THF ration is 0.4

 

Very far from normal.

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Posted : 10/03/2015 8:14 am

Keep in mind the problem with all these tests are whether you took accutane or not peoples ranges vary from my experience and witness. There aren't normal ranges like the charts say and readings can be way up or down depending on the day, or in your guyes case, what suppliments youve been trying lately. These tests are fun but absolutely NOT conclusive! The only way your going to find life is by eating perfertly unmodified natural raw foods. Im here to help

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Posted : 10/03/2015 9:11 am

Keep in mind the problem with all these tests are whether you took accutane or not peoples ranges vary from my experience and witness. There aren't normal ranges like the charts say and readings can be way up or down depending on the day, or in your guyes case, what suppliments youve been trying lately. These tests are fun but absolutely NOT conclusive! The only way your going to find life is by eating perfertly unmodified natural raw foods. Im here to help

 

Hey, aren't you that guy who lied about being a dermatologist to sell post-Accutane sufferers an ebook full of nonsense?

 

The Rhein 24hr USP is a valid test used to detect doping in athletes and congenital abnormalities of enzyme function.

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Posted : 10/03/2015 12:18 pm

Yes. And the square root of pie is 3. Whatever the hell that means to you.

Now I spend my days writing more useless stuff on the internet and wasting my life away in a post accutane thread. I took accutane too.

Now, weren't you the gentleman who didn't bother reading my theory on good health? Accutane, Antibiotics, whatever your posion (and again i took accutane too and im not saying its not a terribly dead end situation with the brain fog and weird fucked problems) But im here to say that its not HOPE we need its, LITERALLY FUCKING KNOWLEDGE! Now don't get me angry! Lol!

So to anyone who believes and will stand up with me here, eat well, and eat raw. Meat from the meat shop, fruit from the orchard. MILK IS GREAT, just not from the sugar machine at walmart. From the udder. By the way have you ever had milk from the udder because It has a totally different color and taste than ya the fake crap you would buy at the walmart. The more bacteria the better. I have a few other things that work pretty well for me, fasting for 12 hours every day or three, hey the longer the better. Sometimes I drink very watered down coffee but I want to stop doing that because I believe its hard to find coffee bean that is not modified :/ probably almost as bad as corn lol.

Again I am not saying were not damaged, very damaged, or altered from this VIT A posion. Nor am i trying to win over this thread. Im just saying to anyone who quietly reads this centered post, and secretly goes out and tries it they might just find life still works. After I completly changed my diet, My IBD went away. Now, I am feeling more mentally at peace, in conversation around people. and even feeling the energy and drive i believe us humans are suppose to feel!

Maybe caveman wasn't so stupid after all.

Keep in mind the problem with all these tests are whether you took accutane or not peoples ranges vary from my experience and witness. There aren't normal ranges like the charts say and readings can be way up or down depending on the day, or in your guyes case, what suppliments youve been trying lately. These tests are fun but absolutely NOT conclusive! The only way your going to find life is by eating perfertly unmodified natural raw foods. Im here to help

Hey, aren't you that guy who lied about being a dermatologist to sell post-Accutane sufferers an ebook full of nonsense?

The Rhein 24hr USP is a valid test used to detect doping in athletes and congenital abnormalities of enzyme function.

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Posted : 10/03/2015 1:28 pm

Well, if we ever have a day in court where they try to say Accutane doesn't affect the brain, we can just send Alan to the stand.

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