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My supplement graveyard... Any other accutane victims out there with one of these? Mine is about $3,000.
My supplement graveyard... Any other accutane victims out there with one of these? Mine is about $3,000.
Wow man, that looks like the a shelf in a supplement store.
How much of it are you taking and do you find any of it is helping any?
I have a few supplements but no wheres near that amount.
So, I had a very odd experience a few days ago. I smoked marijuana for the first time and found that I was effected much more than is "normal". My head was hurting (the pressure), my penis was hurting, and all of my actuate symptoms seemed to just get worse-especially libido, and the libido part continues to persist. This led me to think that perhaps actuate and weed affect our hormones in a similar way. For example, thc lowers prolactin levels and accutane influences pitutiary hormone levels, which I think are similar. Again, this is likely a long shot but is worth checking out.
The thing about Accutane is that other than it potentially curing acne, everything else is detrimental to health. If you think about it, if the drug is so powerful that it can change the way your skin functions, what's it doing to your other organs? The acne-free skin gained from the drug is essentially just a side effect from all the epigenetic changes toxic levels of synethetic vitamin A does to our body and I highly doubt these changes are beneficial to our health. I don't think Accutane is worthy of being called medicine and at the very least, it should be more tightly regulated than it is now. Right now dermatologists are prescribing Accutane like candy to anyone with moderate acne, sometimes even to those with just mild acne. Accutane is the only drug that I had to stop taking very early on because of the severity of the side effects and I've taken many medicine in the past. In the pharmaceutical industries and FDA's eyes, if the drug doesn't kill enough people, they don't feel the need to pull the drug off the market no matter how harsh it is on the health which is quite scary. Unfortunately, this is the only thread that seems to take the negative effects of Accutane seriously. The harsh reality is that we are the minority and the majority of people had good experience from Accutane so I don't think Accutane is ever going to get pulled off the market again or become more tightly regulated anytime soon.
I really feel sorry for everyone who has had bad experience from Accutane and have suffered from long-term side effects because of it. Dealing with acne is hard enough but having to suffer long-term side effect from trying to treat acne is just saddening.
After sharing my negative Accutane experience on reddit/r/Accutane, I got a lot of downvotes and not only people didn't believe my side effects but they were questioning the validity of them.
I can see that for a very small minority, the potential benefit of Accutane might outweight the risks because of the chronic severe acne affecting their life. But for most people including me, the risk was not worth it and dermatologists need to stop downplaying the Accutane side effects and stop prescribing them like candy as soon as you visit them.
Wooow this whole post is depressing , all i ser is a bunch of kids here , being fooled by naturopaths or falling into despair. Serious people, grow a pair and raise money to create a foundation , thats the way so , just STOP THIS SHIT come back to reality because this crazyness that youre into is not reality. I dont care whos to blame for this but as mens you HAVe to make your way out of it!!!!
I went to an endo for my sexual side effects and he suggested trying to raise testosterone, and subsequently lower estrogen, even though my testosterone levels were normal/high. Anyone who has been this route think its worth trying? I think I've read elsewhere it didn't seem to do too much.
Wooow this whole post is depressing , all i ser is a bunch of kids here , being fooled by naturopaths or falling into despair. Serious people, grow a pair and raise money to create a foundation , thats the way so , just STOP THIS SHIT come back to reality because this crazyness that youre into is not reality. I dont care whos to blame for this but as mens you HAVe to make your way out of it!!!!
Ideas of what we should do? I think we need to have a foundation that researches the details of accutane so that we can get big lawsuits.
Jah Bless, no offense but all of your posts have been strange, off beat, and have added little insight. I'm sure we can manage dude. We'll take it from here.
So, I had a very odd experience a few days ago. I smoked marijuana for the first time and found that I was effected much more than is "normal". My head was hurting (the pressure), my penis was hurting, and all of my actuate symptoms seemed to just get worse-especially libido, and the libido part continues to persist. This led me to think that perhaps actuate and weed affect our hormones in a similar way. For example, thc lowers prolactin levels and accutane influences pitutiary hormone levels, which I think are similar. Again, this is likely a long shot but is worth checking out.
I think you are on to something and I also have my experiences with the two. Years ago I found a rare scientific paper that said Marijuana "may increase toxicity of Isotretinoin". But it was a 1 out of 1000 find. And I have yet to find that paper again. It had a small list of 7 or 8 drugs that shouldn't be taken in combination with Accutane, and to be quite frank, teenagers probably take at least 2 or 3 of the drugs that were on that list. And yet dermatologists don't even know to recommend the patient. Again, this was a science manual.
The worst thing about Accutane is that other than potentially curing acne, everything else is detrimental to health. If you think about it, if the drug is so powerful that it can change the way your skin functions, what's it doing to your other organs? The acne-free skin gained from the drug is essentially just a side effect from all the epigenetic changes toxic levels of synethetic vitamin A does to our body and I highly doubt these changes are beneficial to our health. I don't think Accutane is worthy of being called medicine and at the very least, it should be more tightly regulated than it is now. Right now dermatologists are prescribing Accutane like candy to anyone with moderate acne, sometimes even to those with just mild acne. Accutane is the only drug that I had to stop taking very early on because of the severity of the side effects and I've taken many medicine in the past. In the pharmaceutical industries and FDA's eyes, if the drug doesn't kill enough people, they don't feel the need to pull the drug off the market no matter how harsh it is on the health which is quite scary. Unfortunately, this is the only thread that seems to take the negative effects of Accutane seriously. The harsh truth is that the majority of people had good experience from Accutane so I don't think Accutane is ever going to get banned again or become more tightly regulated anytime soon.
I really feel sorry for everyone that have had bad experience from Accutane and have suffered from long-term side effects because of it. Dealing with acne is hard enough but having to suffer long-term side effect from trying to treat acne is even worse.
After sharing my negative Accutane experience on reddit/r/Accutane, I got a lot of downvotes and not only people didn't believe my side effects but they were questioning the validity of them.
Great post. My feelings as well.
As far as the down votes, eh, let em take it then. Give it to their kids if they're so confident. We'll only continue to grow. It wasn't until an affected U.S. senators son were they even willing to take a look at it.
Business wise we should stay ahead of the curve and find a cure and then market it to all of them.
I've been following that weight lifter guy on youtube taking accutane. Oh his weight lifting career is most certainly over and he doesn't even know it. He even wants to tell his derm to do an extra month "because he's that kind of over achiever" or something. I lol'ed so hard. He thinks he has a current bout of 'scoliosis' and that's why he can't do squats at the moment. He has no idea the combination of accutane and his lifting is literally doing damage to his body. Who want's to take the over/under on 7.5 months post tane he disappears from youtube or his channel becomes a side effect recovery channel.
Apologies, my sense of humor has become crass lately, but what I find funny in that situation is not the potential of ruin for the kid, it's the illusion of 'control' that he purports, and doctors as well, when embarking on such a quest, that we first handers know how in the dark the medical community is about this drug. it really is pandoras box. Really the only one's who are qualified to prescribe this drug should be actual scientists.
i dont post on here much but im a long time accutane sufferer its basically killed my social perspective, and changed my thoughts from dusk to dawn. music hasnt sounded good to me since i took it and my nightly activities are going home depressed and yep feeling like a shell. been 6 years now since i took it btw.
Accutanes method of action is complex but relativly simple to me, it shrinks things all over the body. just like your lips dried up guess what so did a part of your brain and dick. Some people get side effects and some people dont that is just it exactly purely genetics but enough alcohol will kill anyone.
I am very hopeful to get better vs kill myself however i want it to be known healthy eating does NOT reverse chemo damage (especially chemo on the brain, very toughto work with i feel).
One of the only ways to be able to cope and gain momentum might just be other prescription medications.
suppliments dont do jack, even coffee aint the same which when istop and think about dang its true.
a big welcome to all new members (including me lol) and accutane victims and hello everyone in general,
also wondering if anyone has been told elevated billlirubin and had yellowing skin
I went to an endo for my sexual side effects and he suggested trying to raise testosterone, and subsequently lower estrogen, even though my testosterone levels were normal/high. Anyone who has been this route think its worth trying? I think I've read elsewhere it didn't seem to do too much.
Unfortunately raising your testosteron level is only a waste of money. You will not feel any progress even your level raise thrice.
Modeaa had posted this information regarding the treatment from hypervitaminosis A:
Since cytochrome p450, and especially CYP3A4, is responsible for oxidizing excess retinol, these factors should be considered to eliminate any side effects: Vitamin D intake (a known CYP3A4-inducer), iron intake (CYP3A4 has an iron center). Copper and vitamin C are also critical, for their roles in iron metabolism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A
This study found that cannabidiol is a potent CYP3A4-inhibitor.
This study indicated that CBD most potently inhibited catalytic activity of human CYP3A enzymes, especially CYP3A4 and CYP3A5. These results suggest that two phenolic hydroxyl groups in the resorcinol moiety of CBD may play an important role in the CYP3A inhibition.
http://www.medicinalgenomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Potent-inhibition-of-CYP3A-with-CBD.pdf
I am not sure if this is the reason for the increased side effects after smoking marijuana. I have experienced worsening of side effects with vitamin D which is a CYP3A4-inducer.
Edit: After thinking about this for awhile, I doubt this is the reason for the increased side effects since the CBD content in marijuana is low. Also, the few people who recovered/felt better with Rick Simpson Oil would have felt worse since the CBD content in the oil is high.
On 6/29/2015 at 7:20 AM, pathtorecovery91 said:On 6/29/2015 at 6:22 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:My supplement graveyard... Any other accutane victims out there with one of these? Mine is about $3,000.
Wow man, that looks like the a shelf in a supplement store.
How much of it are you taking and do you find any of it is helping any?
I have a few supplements but no wheres near that amount.
I took every single bottle. They are all empty. (over the course of the past 2 years). I probably had 10-20 bottles every 2-3 months.
Nothing really helped to be honest. I'm still just as messed up as always. I'm sure the supps were majorly beneficial however, my extreme side effects weren't even touched. (I did recover from MULTIPLE nutrient deficiencies - tested via Spectracell). I would save your $ for food. Loads of grass-fed organ meats, vegetables (preferably blended in a vitamix until liquid or cooked for easier digestion), and wild-caught seafood. Include healthy fats with each meal as well. Focus on those 3-4 things and you will make major strides in your recovery.
The supplements I would buy first if any would be magnesium and vitamin C. Other possible additions: digestive support: proteases, amylases, lipases, and betaine hcl. My favorite brands are pure encapsulations and thorne. If considering a pathogen purge, take a look at some of the herbs I used in one of the pictures (things like garlic extract, berberine, gastromend-HP (mastic gum), olive leaf extract, neem leaf extract, peppermint oil, colloidal silver by results rna, echinacea, etc).
On 6/29/2015 at 8:36 AM, Dubya_B said:On 6/29/2015 at 6:22 AM, yetanotheraccutanevictim said:My supplement graveyard... Any other accutane victims out there with one of these? Mine is about $3,000.
Hah. Someone else had asked me the same before.
This is only around 1/3 of the supplements I've gone through that didn't do anything noticeably beneficial:
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Nice stash. Beware of using cheap brands as they typically use a lot of fillers that can make you a lot worse. Also, some can be contaminated. Ex: some probiotics labeled "gluten free" do in fact have gluten in them. For all the information you will ever need on supplements, visit: fixyourgut.com - John Brisson is the man (also an accutane victim) - he coaches people back to health from accutane as well
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Very interesting about the retinol oxidizing inducers/inhibitors and the relation to marijuana. Hmm.. I haven't seen what it will do to my side effects, yet.
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Haha, thanks for sharing about the bodybuilder. He will probably have muscle and joint pain in the coming year or two. Not sure the dosage he is on. May god help him.. However, he does have a lot of followers and if he gets messed up from the accutane, it will expose the drug's powerful destructive capabilities to even more people.
Question:
Does anyone else here have excruciating pain in all of their muscles along with sluggish blood flow? I haven't found any accutane users who complain of such pain. That is my main complaint. It's absolutely debilitating. Nothing has helped it at all 
Also, if anyone keeps any resources of studies, side effects, stories of victims, or just general tidbits of information they find useful about accutane in a place that is easily shareable (like evernote), do please make it available. My eye dryness prevents me from doing research. I mainly just listen to audio nowadays to learn. It'd be nice to have a lot of useful info curated for us all.
On 6/30/2015 at 10:58 AM, macleod said:Jah Bless, no offense but all of your posts have been strange, off beat, and have added little insight. I'm sure we can manage dude. We'll take it from here.
On 6/29/2015 at 11:56 AM, asdfghjkl123456789 said:So, I had a very odd experience a few days ago. I smoked marijuana for the first time and found that I was effected much more than is "normal". My head was hurting (the pressure), my penis was hurting, and all of my actuate symptoms seemed to just get worse-especially libido, and the libido part continues to persist. This led me to think that perhaps actuate and weed affect our hormones in a similar way. For example, thc lowers prolactin levels and accutane influences pitutiary hormone levels, which I think are similar. Again, this is likely a long shot but is worth checking out.
I think you are on to something and I also have my experiences with the two. Years ago I found a rare scientific paper that said Marijuana "may increase toxicity of Isotretinoin". But it was a 1 out of 1000 find. And I have yet to find that paper again. It had a small list of 7 or 8 drugs that shouldn't be taken in combination with Accutane, and to be quite frank, teenagers probably take at least 2 or 3 of the drugs that were on that list. And yet dermatologists don't even know to recommend the patient. Again, this was a science manual.
On 6/29/2015 at 12:03 PM, Heinstar said:The worst thing about Accutane is that other than potentially curing acne, everything else is detrimental to health. If you think about it, if the drug is so powerful that it can change the way your skin functions, what's it doing to your other organs? The acne-free skin gained from the drug is essentially just a side effect from all the epigenetic changes toxic levels of synethetic vitamin A does to our body and I highly doubt these changes are beneficial to our health. I don't think Accutane is worthy of being called medicine and at the very least, it should be more tightly regulated than it is now. Right now dermatologists are prescribing Accutane like candy to anyone with moderate acne, sometimes even to those with just mild acne. Accutane is the only drug that I had to stop taking very early on because of the severity of the side effects and I've taken many medicine in the past. In the pharmaceutical industries and FDA's eyes, if the drug doesn't kill enough people, they don't feel the need to pull the drug off the market no matter how harsh it is on the health which is quite scary. Unfortunately, this is the only thread that seems to take the negative effects of Accutane seriously. The harsh truth is that the majority of people had good experience from Accutane so I don't think Accutane is ever going to get banned again or become more tightly regulated anytime soon.
I really feel sorry for everyone that have had bad experience from Accutane and have suffered from long-term side effects because of it. Dealing with acne is hard enough but having to suffer long-term side effect from trying to treat acne is even worse.
After sharing my negative Accutane experience on reddit/r/Accutane, I got a lot of downvotes and not only people didn't believe my side effects but they were questioning the validity of them.
Great post. My feelings as well.
As far as the down votes, eh, let em take it then. Give it to their kids if they're so confident. We'll only continue to grow. It wasn't until an affected U.S. senators son were they even willing to take a look at it.
Business wise we should stay ahead of the curve and find a cure and then market it to all of them.
I've been following that weight lifter guy on youtube taking accutane. Oh his weight lifting career is most certainly over and he doesn't even know it. He even wants to tell his derm to do an extra month "because he's that kind of over achiever" or something. I lol'ed so hard. He thinks he has a current bout of 'scoliosis' and that's why he can't do squats at the moment. He has no idea the combination of accutane and his lifting is literally doing damage to his body. Who want's to take the over/under on 7.5 months post tane he disappears from youtube or his channel becomes a side effect recovery channel.
Apologies, my sense of humor has become crass lately, but what I find funny in that situation is not the potential of ruin for the kid, it's the illusion of 'control' that he purports, and doctors as well, when embarking on such a quest, that we first handers know how in the dark the medical community is about this drug. it really is pandoras box. Really the only one's who are qualified to prescribe this drug should be actual scientists.
I know who you are talking about. I posted a video from his channel a little while back telling people about him. His names Brian and his channel is HumerusFitness on youtube. It is a fitness channel.
I been watching his videos for over a year now. He is an awesome person but sadly doesn't know what kind of damage he is doing to his body.
For anyone curious he was on accutane for about a year and a half now and is just getting off now. He was on high doses ranging from 80mg to 120mg i believe and starting lowering again up until now.
He is believing what the doctor is telling him but doesn't realize what is likely going to happen after time goes by of not being on it. He enthusiastically talks about it and how it is so awesome. He did his research about taking it from watching other youtube videos and sadly not looking at these forums.
Most people that make youtube updates on Accutane are not heard from as years go by so you are not up to date with their health status. This guy makes YouTube videos for a living with 4-5 videos a week.
He has somewheres around 50,000 subscribers on Youtube. He mentioned several times how he is making videos for the rest of his life because he enjoys it so much.
With that said, I do believe this could possibly be beneficial to all us accutane sufferers. IF he begins experiencing these side effects like hair loss(which I could tell kind of slightly thinned out from his first accutane videos) and all the other problems, he will talk about it. (He basically films his life)
When he realizes these things are happening because of taking accutane, I KNOW he will take action and he will have more power than any of us to possibly get a lawsuit started, or even better, an awareness website or channel and possibly put an end to accutane and give us the recognition we deserve.
With the exposure and followers he has, he could easily make an accutane side effects youtube channel and literally have tens of thousands of people to support it.
Think about it.
Here is the link to his channel [Edited link out]
On 6/26/2015 at 12:47 AM, Trapt said:On 7/4/2014 at 6:18 AM, Ottovisual said:Reporting in.
5 weeks using RSO now.
Total ingested 5 grams.
To be clear, the RSO is still dominating me at this moment. If things are going better/worse, the next week it could be vice versa.
3 months after my last dosage I can give a objective review on side effects.
I started a new job this week which involves a lot of driving so I had to quit the daytime dose because I can't risk having a fuckup with dosing and driving.
What happens is the RSO produces massive amounts of melatonin which is a big healer but also a big sleeper. If someone is ill, the first thing they advise is to take a good night of sleep right ? Imagine having a week of sleep pushed into 1 night.
Also like some already posted, your short term memory is pretty much in standby modus when the RSO is active ( probably its easier to induce sleeping this way ).
If I take a night (big) dose at 8 oclock I feel the melatonin 24 hours and feel quite sleepy the whole 24 hours.
If I dont take a dose, I will get massive amounts of energy, to the point where I want to run over the whole world. I feel like a little boy again playing in the woods with no energy limit. ( maybe to rebound the massive melatonin wearing off ).
The second week there was I point where I got random "new" youth memories. It felt like a door opened to a part of the brain which was locked due to depression.
The moment when I got these memories it felt like synchronizing with my old me, I remembered who I was, I felt empathy again. Instead of black & white I felt colors.
Today I also skipped the daytime dose and I can feel it wearing off when I stop my shift in the afternoon.
I got home and I really really wanted to have sex with my girlfriend. I wanted to touch her body. I am looking for subtle words to explain this. I felt like a Greek god
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I cannot emphasize this enough though: Moments happen, they make me smile but whether its permanent or not I cannot tell at this point, I need to be off RSO for quite some time.
Currently I'm fixing the dosing issue, the key is consistency and tolerance. There comes a point where you ingest 1 gram a day and the only side effect is a good night rest. If I ingest 1 gram at my current tolerance point, I will be in lalaland for some days.
As for ingestion, I read somewhere Rick ( or one of his associates ) said the goal is to get the RSO to the stomach. I put my RSO in a vitamin like capsule and swallow it. About 1 hour later I feel it kicking in and then I can pull 12 - 16 hours of sleep.
I tried different ways of ingestion, but this one is the easiest and most potent for me on top of that it follows the same route as accutane did so it can repair the whole accutane route. Rectal is said to be the most potent because of all the large blood vessels there and direct absorption into the blood.
Recommended is 1 small daytime dose in the morning and a big sleeper for the evening.
All the best,
Ottovisual,
Can you give us an update with the RSO? What were your post-Accutane side effects? What side effects disappeared with the RSO? What side effects still remain? Are you still using it? Thanks.
Hey everybody,
Dig in my archive of posts and you will find my full symptons.
I have been doing great, I would lie if I said I'm 100% cured but the good days outnumber the bad days.
Symptons that remained positive after a low protocol of RSO:
- Weight: I lost about 6-7 KG's after accutane. I was unable to regain those Kg's no matter how hard I trained, no matter what I ate. This is fully restored, I'm currently doing weightlifting and the muscles grow and grow.
- Gum/Dental Health: My gums remain perfectly in shape, my dentist has 0 complains. Before the RSO treatment it was rubbish, retreating and irritated.
- Skin: No more dry skin.
- Libido: So, my libido went from 100 to 60 - 70 post accutane. At this point I would say I'm 90 again. Inmediatly after accutane I got a girlfriend and we are six years together. If I was single I would be 100 again I'm sure. What I noticing now is when I'm flirting with a girl I feel the blood charging my penis and a instant boner is following. Pre-RSO this wasn't the case.
- GI tract: RSO did alot for my GI-Tract, only thing I'm doing now is a probiotic and good fermented food. I have regular bowels and the texture and everything is perfect.
This that still remained negative / midly negative.
- Brain fog. Although people said my personality positively changed when I took RSO ( and they didnt know I took it ) my brain didn't returned back to the extreme sharpness I had before accutane.
Pre-accutane all these verbally options shooted from my sub-councious into my counsciousness when I was discussing something. Post-accutane I felt like a child, just following other people and no input from my side. After the RSO my memory improved ALOT, these random youth memories were shooting through my brain and that made me very very happy.
But the brain fog / alertness pretty much remained the same.
These months I supplemented with some nootropics and Astaxanthin. Now the Astaxanthin pretty much clears my brain fog and give me ALOT of clarity and when I add a nootropic like Piracetam or Noopept I'm 100% myself again. I also firmly believe these nootropics can restore our disrupted brain networks. I'm making 17 hours a day again just like pre accutane and have alot of energy.
Eye-Floaters: Now I speak alot of people who smoked weed and they reported that the floaters increased when using and it took them some years to get some relieve again. Also when I use Astaxanthin and a Nootropic it decreases alot. Also, the only thing we can change about floaters is the perception of floaters. They are always there.
Tinnitus: Decreased from 100 to 60. Again I think this is a brain thing, I dont think it's my ears, I think there are some nerves in my brain over-sensitive or over-simulating.
Sleep: While on RSO you sleep like a baby. I think sleep is a big focus area for us. I dont think we sleep like we should, and we dont recover like normal people do. So while on the RSO the sleep was perfect, but after it was crap.
Just a quick summary of my current health.
My current stack
Astaxanthin - for brain fog
Piracetam or Noopept or Aniracetam - To stimulate my brain again and repairing the disrupted brain networks
ZMA - before bed, to improve the quality of my sleep. This is one the most important supplements I take and very cost effective. Make me dream again so I know I'm doing quality sleep
There are days where I have the full access to my intelligence, where all the suggestions are shooting through my counciousness and the words just roll out my mouth. Where I have full control of the words I'm saying and where I can plan the sentence visually in my head so I can choose the strategy in a discussion. I also can predict people's reaction based on their personality. Just like pre-tane. So things look very good.
These last years are basically years of detoxifying and then years of rebuilding my body and soul. And I'm current;y rebuilding my body and soul.
Still there are days where I have full blown brain fog but this is always followed on a bad night of sleep.
I'm off to get some food.
If you have any questions, just Pm me.
Oh yeah, for the nootropics, some people experience lowered libido for the first weeks. Just read the reports on reddit.
- Otto.
Otto, This is great news! I hope that you continue to improve and will soon be at 100%. I have just a couple more questions. When did you stop taking the RSO and how much do you think you ingested? Was it 10 grams in about 2.5/3 months? Also, did your hair loss stop and your hair and nail quality improve? Also, I think you mentioned minor joint pains and your shoulder grinding. Did those go away? Can you eat foods containing vitamin A or take multi-vitamins again without problems now? Oh, and one more question, did you experience worsening of your side effects when you were taking the RSO? I know you mentioned fatigue, but nothing about you feeling miserable while taking it, correct? I have been seriously considering trying it, but I think I will probably have quite a severe reaction to it. Heck, now I go from bad to miserable after taking most supplements and eating most food. The only thing that I seem to tolerate these days are water and magnesium.
Does anyone else here have excruciating pain in all of their muscles along with sluggish blood flow? I haven't found any accutane users who complain of such pain. That is my main complaint. It's absolutely debilitating. Nothing has helped it at all :/
I have poor circulation and muscle pain. However, the muscle pain is usually not excruciating. I noticed it first in my forearms and lower back while on Accucrap. I would hold the phone to my ear or lift a fork or spoon to my mouth and in under a minute, my forearm would start burning, as if I had held up my arm for hours. Same thing with my lower back. When I would bend over for a short period, it would start burning. After being off the crap for about 9 months, the muscle pain spread and got worse. The back of my neck and upper back would start burning after reading on the computer for a few minutes. When I raise up my arms to do simple tasks like to hang up clothes, my arms are so sore. When I walk a little, my lower legs (mainly shins) burn. It feels just like lactic acid is building up in my muscles, as if my body ran some sort of marathon or something. Also, the rare times that I work out now, those specific muscles that I work out will feel so hot later that night. The next morning it feels like someone took a baseball bat to those muscles. If I do more strenuous tasks, like if I use a weed eater, my arms literally feel like they are on fire. This was definitely excruciating. In the last couple of months, the muscle pain has not been so bad, but I have lost a lot of muscle all over my body, so maybe that is why they don't hurt as bad. I'm not really sure.
