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On 12/16/2011 at 10:19 PM, IndigoRush said:My Mum is such a fucking useless bitch right now.
Sick of her.
She just came home, and no matter how I explain the situation, in her ignorant head it's not possible.
Her and my Step-Dad (who I don't like) googled about penis shrinkage and it said it's not possible.
Yet, yesterday I found may people in one conversation who had it.
I know I'm not insane.
I know what I see.
I need to be away from this stupid house, but I have no other option (other than homeless).
I don't feel like I'm part of my family anymore.
I barely speak to them.
When I do, I have no connection.
I'm the odd one out because of this.
I honestly think if I had all the proof in the world that this is the worst drug in history, my Mum wouldn't believe me.
I'm not going to waste my time with her any more.
i know you posted this quite a while ago but i wanted to reply to this anyways to show my empathy. my mom is not much different from your mom. i tried many times to explain to my mom how accutane causes changes in Fat Distribution / Weight Gain especially with the stomach bloating. no matter how many times i had tried to tell her, she just says to stop eating so much and stop blaming the drug for my problem. only thing is, i don't stuff myself with all the junk food. i eat just like a regular person!!! if only she even had a brain, she'd would understand! JESUS. just feel like crying so many times. and then i try to explain to her about how many of these doctors in the general medical community are not in the best interests of your health. that they're too keen on prescribing meds that only COVER the symptoms NOT cure the problem. then my mom would YELL at me at the top of her lungs saying she doesn't want to believe me, and that if i'm so smart then i should be a doctor and that doctors went to years of school for it so they know what they are doing. she still trusts our family doctor btw. and i tell her about these government, drug industry conspiracies to keep people sick in order to make money and the corrupt cancer profiting industry how chemotherapy causes the cancer itself and is likely what really killed my dad. not the cancer. she says that if i'm right then everyone must be stupid then to believe these doctors but still i'm not smart because i'm not a doctor. she's lucky i told her to not take the prescription "crestor" for her cholesterol problem. the blood test results said she had high cholesterol and she believes drugs are the best choice. she would be living in a great deal of pain and suffering if she chose to take it. i've researched this drug and the majority of people say it's not worth it. anyways i truly believe it was the previous drugs she had taken that kept raising her cholesterol levels resulting in her revisiting the doctor quite a few times. yaaa...indigorush i think my mom has huge competition with yours. i also feel like im not part of my family as well. and like you i barely speak to them.
anyways guys, i know you've gotten into a great deal of suffering from accutane. but on the bright side, it's opened our eyes to know that doctors can't always be trusted. not the ones in the general medical community focused on conventional medicine anyways. and we've learned that prescription drugs CAN cause more problems than the problem you wanted to fix originally. take it as a lesson learned. use it to your advantage. how? read the book "natural cures 'they' don't want you to know about" by Kevin Trudeau to learn about the truth behind doctors and big pharma then use that knowledge to protect your friends and family members. even spread the word to other people. you will also find some points and simple cures to better your life. the book is super cheap on amazon or you can just borrow it from the library. you yourself will definitely be smarter than your doctor and you will no longer be brainwashed by them convincing you with lies that you need to take this and that pill. be no longer a mind slave.
oh on a side note, (i had thought about doing this for the longest time for all the suffering my doctor put me through) i'm probably the only person on this thread crazy enough to have went to my doctors office and post a warning note on the door outside. on the note is a printed diagram of "prescription hell". you can see it here http://www.lawyersan...g/tag/accutane. i wrote a message telling patients to please be careful about prescription drugs and that doctors don't always know if they are safe. and to use the website "www.askapatient.com"; to their advantage to make informed decisions advised by other patients before going on any drug. i included strips at the bottom of the paper, rather than a telephone number i had a website directing to this link [Edited link out]. (Truth about doctors, conventional medicine and Big Pharma)
i also bought 5 of the hardcover books (they were pretty cheap) "natural cures they don't want you to know about" and i just left them there outside the office for patients with a note saying stuff like "wishing you a happy new year and to good health. please take ONE". i did all this on the last day they were open before the new years. in a way it was like a before the new year resolution to me. oh ya, before christmas, i had another of the same 5 hardcover books (gift wrapped) and i was crazy enough to just go to my docs office and wait outside for patients to come out then just randomly give them out as a random act of kindness. it was awkward but i wanted to do this to have people aware of prescription drugs. believe me this is out of the ordinary for me, and i've never done anything so random in my life.
Prescription Hell: When Curing Your Ill Causes More Ills
Coolguy, first of all I think what you did with the 10 books is great. Fantastic actually. You really are a 'cool' guy 
It could even make a big difference. If those 5 people read the book, they may spread the word to their family and friends.
However, when I wrote what I did about my Mum, I was very frustrated.
Yes, she doesn't always like to hear me saying things against the normal, i.e. medicine is poison.
She just doesn't understand. I know she loves me. I know she believes me even.
She just think I make things worse for myself because she can't understand the full extent of it.
From her point of view, I don't spend much time with the family now.
When I do, I'm often quiet or I just end up talking about Accutane.
People just wouldn't believe that an Acne drug could do this.
Also, they don't want to believe that the government, FDA, or whoever aren't looking out for them.
They want to trust them.
I can't comment on what you're Mum is like, but try not to let this destroy your relationship with her.
It's not her fault, nor yours.
But the diagram is right.
It's typical for a lot of drugs.
Take one, fix one problem, but create another and then you require another drug, etc etc.
Coolguy - You should be every Accutane sufferer's hero for doing this! Well done! You should be really pleased with yourself for making the point you made. To think of doing it, and actually going ahead with it couldn't of been easy, but you've done yourself and everyone else here proud! And whoever made that diagram deseves a medal!
Dude, what were your thoughts on the book?
It's got some badddd reviews on Amazon.
Does he actual give any cures?
Many people seem to say he's in it for the money, and tries to get people to sign up to be a member of his site.
Also, that his advice is so obvious it can't be considered new (i.e. don't smoke).
P.S. My kindle book has been reduced on Amazon now (though at time of writing it's in the process of being changed). It should be about $2 now.
Give it a read? (Roaccutane: The Truth)
I'm cracking on with some EFT today.
I have a good feeling about it.
I start my job this coming Monday too! Bit scared to be honest!
Dude, what were your thoughts on the book?
It's got some badddd reviews on Amazon.
Does he actual give any cures?
Many people seem to say he's in it for the money, and tries to get people to sign up to be a member of his site.
Also, that his advice is so obvious it can't be considered new (i.e. don't smoke).
P.S. My kindle book has been reduced on Amazon now (though at time of writing it's in the process of being changed). It should be about $2 now.
Give it a read? (Roaccutane: The Truth)
I'm cracking on with some EFT today.
I have a good feeling about it.
I start my job this coming Monday too! Bit scared to be honest!
to me, it's worth a million bucks. the bad ratings are either a conspiracy to make him look bad, or because these people are brainless buffoons who don't read the entire book and just sham him just because he doesn't list natural cures. well he does but it's in general. besides, he actually states himself In chapter 13 page 341 of the book, "Stop! If you just bought this book and flipped to this chapter trying to find the 'magic pill' to cure your specific disease, go back to the beginning of this book and read this book cover to cover!..... You must understand.........". i believe he also mentions that in order to publish his book he was not allowed to state particular natural cures. and this is why you can't just judge Kevin Trudeau straight off the bat. it's so sad how the government is suppressing the truth of natural cures. anyways he does actually guide you on many things to help change your lifestyle. some people say it's common sense and it's just a waste of money to buy this book. it may be common sense to these hard ass show offs who only want to expand their egos but not to the general public. you don't find this kind of helpful advice easily (and conveniently) on the internet like with what kevin trudeau did. People NEED this kind of advice for their health, it's extremely useful.
Trust me, this guy has good intentions, he exposes the truth. and the government/pharm industry doesn't like it. in fact it makes them furious. it just makes me like this guy even more 
. the youtube video "John Stossel Exposes Kevin Trudeau as a Liar" is a media and government setup to purposely make the guy look bad. it's also biased. they try so hard to find anything bad they can about KT. you CAN'T always trust what you hear in the media. it ought to be ILLEGAL for the media to bring honest and caring people down like this. and he is not in it just for the money. he explains it clearly that all the money he receives will be used for good. i forgot what page he mentions it but it was something about promoting awareness? he also has good reasons for why he is doing this sign up for his website. because there are natural remedies he was not allowed to list in the book. and people are able to ask his team of natural medicine practitioners what they can do to fix their problems and not to mention they are able to email Kevin Trudeau as well. all i gotta say is read the book first before you judge.
sorry i don't have a kindle and how on earth do you not have one single acne spot in your videos lol
Haha... My skin isn't perfect, but in terms of spots, I rarely get any (unless I shave badly).
Sorry, but I still think this Kevin guy is full of shit.
I'm not going to read the book.
I've been scammed before (a couple of times .... some funny stories actually) and can tell when something is legit.
I've read a lot of health books where they offer natural remedies.
Why would the government ban his book but let his site run freely?
Where did he find these cures?
What's this guys background?
He also has a series in the law of attraction, I notice.
It's like he knows everything!
Or, maybe, he decided 'I'll jump on the LOA band-wagon, because of The Secret'.
That series is also badly reviewed.
Oh, and another - 'Free money "They" don't want you to know about'. 2 stars out of 5 on average.
Sorry dude, but this guy is clearly in it for the money.
Oh WAIT - 'Debt cures "They" don't want you to know about' is another.
Man, this guy has found cures for everything!
And a weight-loss cure they don't want you to know about.
Have I made you see sense now?
This guy has scam written on his forehead. I'm sure if you got one of those special lights, you'd see he's written it on with invisible ink.
Thought I'd look at his Wikipedia for a laugh. It says it all. This guy is terrible!
Okay, I'll leave him alone now.
How is everyone doing by the way?
I've been happy most of the time this last week.
Started to enjoy life again.
Haha... My skin isn't perfect, but in terms of spots, I rarely get any (unless I shave badly).
Sorry, but I still think this Kevin guy is full of shit.
I'm not going to read the book.
I've been scammed before (a couple of times .... some funny stories actually) and can tell when something is legit.
I've read a lot of health books where they offer natural remedies.
Why would the government ban his book but let his site run freely?
Where did he find these cures?
What's this guys background?
He also has a series in the law of attraction, I notice.
It's like he knows everything!
Or, maybe, he decided 'I'll jump on the LOA band-wagon, because of The Secret'.
That series is also badly reviewed.
Oh, and another - 'Free money "They" don't want you to know about'. 2 stars out of 5 on average.
Sorry dude, but this guy is clearly in it for the money.
Oh WAIT - 'Debt cures "They" don't want you to know about' is another.
Man, this guy has found cures for everything!
And a weight-loss cure they don't want you to know about.
Have I made you see sense now?
This guy has scam written on his forehead. I'm sure if you got one of those special lights, you'd see he's written it on with invisible ink.
Thought I'd look at his Wikipedia for a laugh. It says it all. This guy is terrible!
Okay, I'll leave him alone now.
How is everyone doing by the way?
I've been happy most of the time this last week.
Started to enjoy life again.
well i'll tell you one thing. if i had this book in the first place i can guarantee that i (and likely many others) wouldn't have gotten into this mess what with the accutane side effects. say what you want i don't care. did you even read the positive reviews? or did you only read the negative reviews? i didn't expect your attitude to be so... harsh on this. it may be hard to at first but don't judge him right away before reading the book. and in the book he answers the question "but you're not a doctor, what gives you the authority to tell us what to do?". he explains this in perfect sense why 
. i don't like scams myself. i hate scams. but this is not a scam. just borrow it from the library if they have it. no cost to you.
remember that 66 page report on accutane by Nathan C Carr? he (Nathan) actually called in to the Kevin Trudeau talk show to discuss about it and KT made people aware of it live on his show. go to this link here at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1734671 and listen to his 06-30-09 show. he talks about accutane around 46:30 and 51 mins. the information was passed on to him by Nathan C Carr.
He's the one man that gives many people hope recovering from all those unneccessary prescription drugs being pushed onto us. be careful when you say you can tell something is legit or not. Any enemy of Mr Trudeau is an enemy of mine. so back off, please. thank you.
oh ya, if you want to question him because he's not a doctor then read here. [Edited link out]
i'll quote it. and weren't you against those conventional medicine doctors anyways?
"Q. How are you qualified to write this book when you're not a medical doctor?
A. My number-one qualification to be able to write this book is the fact that I am NOT a medical doctor! If I were a medical doctor, I would not be qualified to write this book. Think about it for a minute. If you are a medical doctor you spent virtually the majority of your life learning and being trained on drugs and surgery. How can you wake up one day and say that everything you have been taught is wrong; everything that was drilled in your head that you were forced to believe is false? It would be virtually impossible. How can medical doctors be qualified to talk about health and nutrition when they had virtually no training in natural methods of prevention and curing disease?
My qualifications are that I am logical; I use common sense; I have two eyes that can see the truth; I have traveled millions of miles around the world; I have interviewed thousands of individual patients and doctors; I have been treated by hundreds of licensed alternative health-care practitioners; I have studied volumes of books, research papers, and documents; and I have made billions of dollars in business, putting me in the corporate boardrooms all around the world dealing with the most powerful people on planet earth. I know how the inner workings of government work; I know how the inner workings of corporations work; I know about the greed; I know about the insatiable appetite people have to make money at all costs; and I know about the fraud and deception going on behind closed doors. I've been there; I've been part of it; so much so that I spent two years in federal prison. I know more about the inner workings of the money-making machines and political machines around the world than most people. I also live everything I talk about. I have experienced it firsthand and see the results in myself, my friends, and my family. Plus, I'm 156 years old and have virtually never been sick (just kidding)."
My problem isn't because he isn't a doctor. Not at all.
It's his wikipedia page.
Say what you like about about Wiki, but i've always found it to contain accurate information.
He clearly has something against the medical industry, which is fair enough - However, I question his motives.
I thought you'd realise he's in it for the money when I told you about all his various books claiming to hold 'cures' "they don't want us to know about.
You're entitled to your opinion on him, but I still think he's in it for the cash and talks a load of old balls.
The quote is pretty good though, I'll give you him that.
It's clearly misleading if he doesn't put any cures in the book though.
Stop smoking isn't a cure, it's common sense.
Amazon is usually a good thing to go by.
There are a lot of books that go against medicine, and the good one's are loved and appreciated.
This book has got bad reviews for a reason.
Though, feel free to send me a copy.. Maybe I'll be translated.
Until that though, I stand by what my intuition tells me.
I've learnt that's a good thing to go by.
Well you questioned his career so i just wanted to clear that for you. if you are smart you should know that wikipedia isn't always reliable. maybe accurate most of the time but it can misguide you like how it starts off with his criminal record. and a huge part of the site as well. what person has a faultless, perfect, pristine life? people make mistakes and can turn their life around. are people not allowed to part from their bad ways and change their life around for the better? mistakes are our best teachers and we learn from them (though not everyone does but generally we do). you do understand that government is doing the best they can by paying people to make him look like a fraud don't you? They use his criminal records to their advantage and believe they can convince people that way. and i can see you've easily fallen under their mind control. read this quote "I can assure you, I am the one man that, the board members of major corporations around the world want to get rid of. I am the one man who the politicians absolutely want to destroy, discredit, and have vanish. But, for the sake of mankind and society and YOUR health, I am standing up and exposing the secrets that have been hidden from you for well over 100 years. I am pulling back the curtain and exposing the frauds and criminals who are taking money directly out of your pocket and purposely making you suffer and die needlessly-all so that THEY can make millions and millions more." They are afraid of him exposing the truth!!! and if you're expecting him to tell us about those secretive magic natural cures that the government is already suppressing then i'm sorry but you are being greedy. as he says "More people are being persecuted and prosecuted for talking about natural remedies and natural ways to cure and prevent disease than ever before in our history".
The FTC threatened to confisgate and burn his books because of this. he does mention stop smoking and he has a recommended cure for that addiction but sadly he says the government is suppressing him from telling people this in his book. the book is not misleading. he does tell us about those natural cures. they're simple but effective. many of them aren't as common sense as you claim them to be. the negative reviews want you to believe that they are common sense and you fell for it indigo. lol. i know you like going on the rebounder. this is one of the MANY simple natural cures kevin supports and i quote "A rebounder, or mini trampoline, allows you to stimulate and strengthen every cell in the body simultaneously. Gently jumping up and down on a rebounder for just ten minutes a day stimulates the lymphatic system and increases your metabolism. It is very effective for health and weight loss." or just mainly warding off depression. though this is not a cure that you eat to get better but more like an excercise form of a "natural cure". was this common sense to you way before you bought that rebounder? i don't think so. anyways you said
On 1/8/2012 at 4:35 AM, IndigoRush said:It's clearly misleading if he doesn't put any cures in the book though.
he DOES in fact list those natural cures but thye're mainly natural foods, what things to avoid and other daily things you can do to improve your health. and he does tell us about some of those herbal remedies (eg. arnica cream) and what vitamins are actually good for you and not BS. as for him being in it for the cash read this i quoted "At the back of this book there are also several organizations and licensed health-care practitioners that you can write to and get specific recommendations. I want you to have this information.
I want you to have this knowledge. It's not about the money for me any more; it's about you getting healthy. As a side note, I do charge for my Web site and newsletter, but please note that I do not accept any advertising, nor do I sell any products, nor am I compensated in any way for products that I recommend or suggest you use. Please also note that a huge percentage of all the profits generated from any of my enterprises now are being used specifically to fight corporate and government corruption and to increase health-care awareness around the world. Please know that everything I am doing is from a pure heart. I am not doing this for the money. I am doing this for you and the people who need it the most. Let me say this again so there is no confusion: unlike virtually every single health-care advocate, I personally do not sell any products. I am not paid or given any compensation from companies to recommend their products.
I am not compensated in any way if you choose to buy a product that I recommend. I only sell books and information, and use most of that money not for my own personal wealth creating, but rather to expand this mission of exposing corporate and government corruption, and informing people about the truth about health. I donate huge amounts of money to organizations that promote health freedoms. All this suppression that I personally am under is outrageous. The attacks that I face on a regular basis on radio, television, newspapers, and magazines are unprecedented by a health advocate. The government, the pharmaceutical industry, and the food industry are putting together what I believe to be one of the largest coordinated efforts to debunk and destroy an individual. My insiders tell me that virtually millions of dollars are being put in and coordinated with government agencies to specifically drive me out of business and discredit me. Why am I willing to put myself out to such attacks and abuse? Because I feel it is my mission in life to blow the whistle on the corporate greed and the corruption in the boardrooms across the world and in the government agencies across the world. I believe it is my mission to help free the world of illness and disease and inform them about the truth about health, nutrition, and natural remedies. If you want to help me, I want you to know I absolutely need YOUR HELP. I am under vicious constant attacks. The point is, and in order to keep this mission moving forward, I need your support, I need your positive thoughts, and I need your help. The best way to help this mission is to become a member of my Web site [Edited link out], or subscribe to my monthly newsletter Kevin Trudeau's Natural Cures Monthly Newsletter.
More information on these two informational sources is available at the back of this book. I would encourage you to subscribe so that you can help the cause and be part of the solution. When you subscribe to myWeb site community, [Edited link out], or my monthly newsletter you allow me to flood politicians and corporate heads with mail and correspondence, which is one of the most powerful ways to affect change and bring back our health freedoms and allow you the freedom of getting natural cures for your disease."
Oh and the reviews on amazon doesn't do it justice. the negative reviews are set up (likely by govt paying people) to purposely make KT look bad. and to convince people not to buy the book. or people don't read the book first and just follow suit with the unfairly negative crowd. i wish you weren't but you're one of those mind slaves. ignorance is bliss isn't it indigo. anyways i should've mentioned earlier but i didn't realize you can actually download the book on the internet. it's easy to find. google it. i tried downloading 2 sources and they were mostly fine but there were some parts missing from the actual book. download the one with the filename as "Trudeau, Kevin - Natural Cures They Don't Want You to Know About (2nd Edition)" and file size 4.97MB.
I'm shocked that you still continue to attack this guy. you've come this far indigo, you're the one who started this amazing, inspiring thread (and i thank you for it). you're suppose to be the one leading this fight. you're suppose to be the smart one. you're suppose to be the one to differentiate the scams out there from the genuinely honest caring people. just shaming KT will go against everything you are fighting for because you are leading sick people away from getting real help. there are accutane sufferers out there who realize they have gotten sick from the accutane and continue on to attempt to "fix" their problems by taking more drugs like antidepressants to relieve depression or propecia to repair hair loss or crestor to lower cholesterol. if these sufferers knew about this book how KT warns that drugs will only cause more problems, they would stop it right away and THEN only after that can they begin the path of recovery.
You may have to rethink what your intuition tells you for this. after all, nathan carr trusts this guy [Edited imageout]. i think this is the last time i'm going to try to convince you. if this doesn't convince you then there's nothing else i can do. please don't become my enemy. i think you are cool as well (it feels like a privilege to talk to you because i regard you as a reputable person and you are famous to me lol what with the videos you are doing on youtube and support you are giving, not to mention this huge thread you started to give people hope). just that i don't understand how you can slam his book so easily. maybe someone else who've read the book can convince you instead. but for now i think i'm done. have a nice day [Edited image out].
Hey man.
First off, let me point out that my goal is not to fall out with you, or anybody in here.
We share the same goal, and it'd help if we work together, as well as trying out our own things (in order to cover more ground) if there is one cure for all of us.
However, I'm entitled to my opinion.
Sure, the rebounder may be a good tool.
Although, I've heard so many times that it activates every cell, and I've never seen any evidence for this.
However, it's exercise and most likely is a good way to use the whole body. I've been a bit lax on using mine recently.
I prefer walking my dog.
Thing is though, he didn't discover that. I have no problem with people rehashing information, but this is something he read online and thought 'That'll fill a couple of pages'.
I think it's a ridiculous claim that the government will burn all his books if he lists the cures in them,
If it doesn't contain any cures, he's misleading buyers and that's the most likely reason for 1-star reviews.
I randomly clicked a one-star review, and that person has reviewed other books. I don't think the government goes that far.
(Maybe that's just my silly mind, hey?)
A book I was going to get, because of the reviews and support off other big author's is called Aspire.
On Amazon.com, the reviews are amazing.
However, most of the reviewers have never reviewed an item before.
That makes me suspicious and puts me off buying the book.
After all, Aspire is merely another self-help book based around the use of 10 words.
I can't see why that would become such a phenomenom.
But you quote Kevin, and he states his intentions.
The thing is, though, people can lie.
Some people are fucking dicks. They don't care about karma, or believe in it.
Not saying I do, but I have morales and I would not have it in me to lie to desperate people.
However, my experience has taught me that a lot of people will go far to make money, and get rich.
I went for a job when I was unemployed, a few months ago now.
I was told they were interviewing hundreds and hundreds of people.
It was for a marketing job, and they told me to expect developing fast within the role.
I could become a manager within 6-8 months... so they said.
They tried to trick me. They looks me right in the eye ...
I knew something was odd, but I was too happy when I was asked to go back for a second interview the next day.
I'd got through to the next round!
Even though they asked me fuck all in general, and I had no marketing experience whatsoever.
I called my friend to, I don't know, boast that I'd been picked for the next set of interviews.
He asked me where.
I told him.
He said 'Oh'.
Straight away, I realised what that 'Oh' meant.
He'd been there.
He'd got called back too.
Not at the same time. Months ago.
He has no marketing experience either.
He didn't go to the second interview because our other friend, Alec, had gone.
You can see how this is going to turn out.
Basically, Alec was taken with the other 'possible job-winners' to do an apprentice-style task.
What was it? Door-to-door sales.
The poor bastard stayed for about 5 hours trying to shift some crap onto anyone who answered their door.
One time they didn't answer and the leader let himself in and pushed some old shit onto some helpless old man.
Sick.
Alec ended up getting picked up. The others would stay out for another 4-5 hours. They'd even all share the petrol money to drive the mini-bus 20 miles out.
Clever really. Most of these people would be teenagers. 20 miles out... They'd have trouble getting home.
I then found a forum online of other 'suckers' (one of which I nearly was).
One had worked for them for a month, doing purely door-to-door sales.
When it came to pay-day, they had something like £50.
They were doing about 50 hours a week. £50 (I dunno - $80?) for 200 hours of shitty work.
Fucked up! There must have been something in the fine print, because they're still getting away with it to this day.
These people are terrible. In this climate, they're misleading the most desperate of people.
I could say more about this thing, but you get my point.
Even ignoring Wikipedia, I can tell this guy IS in it to try to get rich off people.
I'm not trying to change your opinion of him.
I'm just justifying my own reasons for calling him a scam-artist.
Because, to me, it's clear that he is.
If he were specialised in just health. Say, he just had a couple of health books out.
Maybe - just maybe - I'd give him a chance before making a judgement.
But he's got a book out for every major problem it seems.
They're clearly all a load of shit, complied of anything relevant he's found and read online.
This guy is not a debt expert, probably has no belief in the law of attraction and people will buy into it because he has a pretty face.
It's very easy to trust someone based on a shared opinion. Nathan clearly hates Roche and the whole medical industry, even more than me.
He's dedicating his time (and I believe, his life) to fighting this.
Good on him, though I choose not to believe his theory because it doesn't seem one which will give us any way out.
And still, there is the rare story of someone getting rid of these side effects by correcting things (such as allergies, or doing many liver flushes or fasting)
I believe there is a simpler way out, and I think it's been proven that your genes are damaged and changed even through your thinking, so genes don't hold as much relevance as they were thought to.
Kev' clearly has a problem with them (FDA etc) too. Probably a genuine one.
But he doesn't have the answers that he claims.
Are you signed up to his website?
I'm guessing you are, because you seem to really like this guy.
If so, tell me of the cures he lists on there.
I don't understand how this guy would know of apparent cures that the government is apparently hiding from us).
It's a flat out lie that the government will burn his books.
He just wants people like you to sign up to his website, because he wants to make lots of money.
He used to sell products that claimed to cure baldness.
Full - of - shit.
He's just one of those people.
Smart perhaps, in terms of marketing.
But overall, just a dickhead who preaches to the desperate.
I'm curious to know other people's thoughts on this, because this has turned into a conversation between us two.
I quite enjoy a good debate. It's a bit of fun.
What do y'all think about Mr. Fullofshit.
Sorry *Trudeau.
P.S. I completely agree that you'd be a fucking idiot to take a hair-loss drug (or something for a different side effect) and I haven't taken anything since Accutane 5 and a half years ago. I don't need someone else to point out that. I read decent books which don't ask you kindly to sign up to be a member for information that should be in the book.
I'm sure you're still not convinced, and that's fine.
I've made my mind up though.
This handsome fella is a tool.
Kevin Trudea is a guy who knows what most people in the alternative health industry know. He's just a very good marketer.
I don't think any of that applies to treating accutane side effects though. Those roads have been gone down a million times.
One mistake you guys are making is assuming that other pharmaceuticals can't treat the symptoms. That's understandable - I became revolted by the whole field of pharma drugs after my accutane experience. But there is no way to say that is right or wrong.
I consider Pezzi's reports on propecia related compounds to have some possible merit. I haven't tried that yet, but I may.
Accutane acts like an anti-steroidal. Doing the opposite, or cycling hormones with propecia, may work.
Ruling our all other drugs is far too great a generalization. Especially when some have reported beneficial effects from doing so.
The clearest reports on what people do when they say they're cured involve changing their consciousness (or energy work) for health.
On the rag forum, there is the TM meditator who reported a full cure.
On this forum, there is the person who was doing some form of energy work and reports success.
Yoga, for example, has been studied and has been helpful in treating chronic fatigue. Another good example.
Yoga and anything else that will calm you down - slow you down - is good.
I started my job today, as some of you might know.
I feel like shit already.
This **%$W%^& just get's in the f*cking way!!
I cannot, for the life of me, release this terrible anxiety.
EFT - I did so much of it the last 5 days and it's clearly not worked.
Most people claim it works within it doing a few times (normally meaning a few minutes).
I've done probably 4-5 hours of it, and NOTHING!
I don't believe EFT is a con at all.
I just can't seem to get better, no matter what I try.
It really is the most frustrating thing I can imagine.
Why should I even bother?
I don't know what motivation I have to get up in the morning.
I'm not going to be able to overcome my adrenal/thyroid problems if I'm stressed every day.
I feel tired, which I expected, I have a slight headache.
My dry eyes were a pain as effing usual.
It's an open plan office and I have to walk past lots of people whenever I need the loo, or a drink.
Even though I know people aren't looking at me, it's like my brain... assumes they are.
I'm so self-conscious about the dry eyes, and I just have these irrational thoughts...
I honestly don't think I can get better.
I ate a salad, fish and fruit today.
My life sucks!
I shouldn't have to live like this.
And yet, I have to now.
I can't be happy at the moment.
I would not be working this job if I didn't have these terrible problems.
Working for the police is not for me.
I'm a fuc*ing immature ass.
I want to mess around and have a laugh.
I'm working with a bunch of oldies.
Office work is not natural and goes against everything I stand for.
Sitting in front of a computer for 8+ hours a day.
Being another wage-slave, waiting for retirement in 50 years time.
I'm not made out for this shit.
Yet, what else can I do right now? When I feel like this?
My God, I thought something would work out for me.
I'm a good person. But I guess life doesn't work that way.
I might never get another chance, because I was lied to, and that's that.
I've lost all hope.
God fucking damn it.
Yeah, EFT doesn't work. I could have told you that. I don't know if it's worth saying so early on.
It seems people need to go through these stages.
You need to get more radical. I know what doesn't work, and some of the stuff that does.
Focus on what is known to work. Explore the unknown territory. That's all there is.
1. As for Kevin T....He is from the same state as me, which is Illinois and he got in trouble here. I commended you though CoolGuy for what you have done.I hope you keep it up and spread the word on how horrible Accutane is and about natural health.
A good naturalist that will send you free email newsletters regarding supplements and stuff is Dr. Mercola. Yes, he does sell supplements also and he has been on Dr. Oz recently and he is in my neighboorhood here in Illinois.
I am however grateful to Kevin T. for spreadin the word on his radio show regarding Accutane.
2. I have read numerous stories of people from the OLD Ragfourm and people have gone to extremes and tried numerous thing depending on thier symptoms and if anything in thier labs or biopsy etc...show something. Some are worse then others as for Nathan, yes he is in it for life having type 1 diabetes, sjorgrens type symptoms etc.... though he does natural remides he will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life... Mod another member had trouble gaining weight, bowl problems, anxiety took 3yrs to get dx with a autoimmune intestinal disorder.
3. TM is good I think I suggested this to you guys that are suffering from depression or anxiety.
4. As for me, I went in for my 3month check up with the Rhuem and his standard test has glucose levels in it, I have always had a 80 blood sugar level, even as recent as Oct, guess what my friends my sugar levels out of the blue are now 543 yep, waiting Antibody test for Type 1, which doesn't run in my family....seems funny when you start reading numerous stories that are simlar to yours.
So that leaves me with Accutane induced Osteopenia, autoimmune thyroid, sjogrens and possible Type 1 diabetes or some other issue effecting my sugar levels. So I believe that Nathan theory does have merit and not to mention I don't think James O'Donnell ( who spoke at the congressional hearings) would of published it in his Pharm Book if there wasn't some truth to it.
Indigo- I hope your working on thoose thyroid levels my friend, If not its only going to get worse.....I'll keep you guys posted.
WOW @ MJ taking Accutane. That could explain some of his behaviour and prblems. Jessica Simpson - I remember in 2001 she broke onto the scene with her music, but I don't remember it lasting long, or doing anything significant after/since. I mentioned ages ago that I read Helen Flanagan, who plays Rsoie Webster in Coronation Street, took Roaccutane, and after just having a complete 3 month break, she has quit now - and the rumours are because she has been suffering from panic attacks. Amanda Bynes is not someone I know as I didn't watch mch Nickelodeon. It would be nice to know when these people started taking it so links could be more concrete. Have any celebs who have taken Accutane actually came out and blamed any of there problems on it? I read James Marshall, someone who I haven't heard of, blaming Accutane and filing a lawsuit, but that's all I know of.
Holy fuck, things have got bad for me.
I seriously hate my job.
I can't do it.
It's really hard.
And I can tell my boss is horrible already. The things I'm being shown make my old job look like a walk in the park.
It's so freaking hard, and I'm coming home stressed out and depressed every night.
I really don't feel able to cope.
Any advice would be appreciated here.
I'm low on money, so need some, but I know I'm never going to like it where I work.
I'm going to look for another job ASAP.
I feel kind of bad, because they picked me and I cannot cope with full-time work.
Plus they're spending time training on me, whilst I plan on leaving as soon as I can.
I'd be happier at my local (Budgens) supermarket, doing a few days.
At least I'm not having to fork out more time and money just getting to work.
However, my girlfriend and friend work there and I'm pretty sure there aren't any vacancies.
I went absolutely insane in front om my family a little while ago.
I don't know if anyone else here get's those extremely angry moments because of the drug, but I screamed like a mad man and started punching things.
My hand hurts after hitting my wall now.
It's just so frustrating because they don't understand. How could they possibly understand how bad this feels?
That then makes me angry.
I just feel hopeless now.
Not even the celebrities are spared!?
I just feel like there will never be an answer to what has happened, and that Roche will get away with it.
They've made billions and billions of dollars/pounds for being horrible bastards.
If I had a dying wish, it would be to kill them all. Everyone who was involved in doing this should be punished for eternity. Still then, we wouldn't be even.
Someone's said it before, probably James... A prison sentence is better than this.
We're in this for life.
Most of us our still living at home with families that don't understand our circumstances.
We will never (unless something big happens) get rewarded for putting up with this.
We will never get some kind of compensation for our struggles.
We should be classed as disabled.
My mind won't work right anymore.
The job I'm doing IS hard to take it. But for me, it's near impossible.
And the bitch-boss that's showing me the routes has no patience.
My God, this is a fucking rant now right?
If we were able to get the support of a big celebrity such as Amanda Bynes, we'd probably get the word out very easy.
I have very strong suspicions that she has been badly affected by the drug.
I expect she is advised to put on a strong, happy face (though she's disappeared from the media for over a year it seems).
I asked her on Twitter if Accutane ruined her career. I doubt I'll get a response!
Anyway, how the fuck am I supposed to cope right now?
Could everyone please list what kind of work they do, and how many hours.
I feel like I could manage with part-time if that were an option.
EFT should work for the emotional attachments based around Accutane, but it hasn't.
Sucks to be me right about now.
No I think it was Oli Girl that said about the prison sentence. I was actually going to suggest someone to tweet some of these celebs that have tkaen Accutane (I don't belong to Twitter) as this seems the best/only way to get in direct contact with them. If we could somehow find out as many, and which celebs have taken Accutane, and then Tweet them, maybe we might get some media exposure we desperately need, as celebs have all the contacts and know people within the media. WE basically need to find one celebrity wh is as pissed off as we are, then we might be in luck. Unfortunatel the likes aof Amanda Bynes might not even know Acutane has given her the problems that been reported. It's a longshot , but we are all used to an uphill struggle...
No I think it was Oli Girl that said about the prison sentence. I was actually going to suggest someone to tweet some of these celebs that have tkaen Accutane (I don't belong to Twitter) as this seems the best/only way to get in direct contact with them. If we could somehow find out as many, and which celebs have taken Accutane, and then Tweet them, maybe we might get some media exposure we desperately need, as celebs have all the contacts and know people within the media. WE basically need to find one celebrity wh is as pissed off as we are, then we might be in luck. Unfortunatel the likes aof Amanda Bynes might not even know Acutane has given her the problems that been reported. It's a longshot , but we are all used to an uphill struggle...
Yes, that was me Try living life with brain and other damage to your body. It is like....instead of being sentenced to life in prison, you are sentenced to live. Life in prison would pale in comparison with living an "Accu-tainted" life. I always did say, Accutane is not enough to kill you outright, it is enough to make you wish to God you were dead
I can't decide if I should be happy to have abnormal labs or like some most whoose labs always show fine.....Must have a tough body to not have been hostpitalized for 550 sugar levels. Had to start insulin yesterday feel like shit!!!!!!!!!
Oh and my husband said yesterday " I don't get it you are the most healthiest looking person, yet theese off the wall problems that noone can explain" Then he goes I don't get how one goes from 80 sugar levels 3 months ago to 550??? Yet he hasn't been Accutanied either.......
has anyone tried supplements fatty acids and l-tryptophan? i heard l-tryptophan is suppose to help restore serotonin levels. "l-tryptophan will only manufacture as much serotonin as their body needs and can handle"
"Tryptophan is an amino acid. The body converts it to 5htp which converts to seratonin and then to melatonin if there is no daylight around."
"L-tryptophan is an amino acid that is made from plant or animal sources.
L-tryptophan has been used in alternative medicine as an aid to treat sleep problems (insomnia), anxiety, depression, premenstrual syndrome, attention deficit disorder, and for smoking cessation and other conditions.
Not all uses for l-tryptophan have been approved by the FDA. L-tryptophan should not be substituted for medications prescribed for you by your doctor.
L-tryptophan is often sold as an herbal supplement. There are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for many herbal compounds and some marketed supplements have been found to be contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination."
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"In the early 90s the FDA went on a witch hunt against the safe amino acid l-tryptophan. A contaminated batch manufactured by Showa Denko in Japan contained a contaminant which the Centers for Disease Control later identified as "Peake E", but FDA ignored the fact that this contaminant had been identified and rather than just ban l-tryptophan coming from Showa Denko til the company rectified the problem that had caused the contaminated batch, the FDA banned ALL l-tryptophan while seeking to try to DEMONIZE the entire supplement industry thru the slick use of spin against this totally safe substance which is contained in bananas and milk.
The real reason FDA attacked l-tryptophan was that at that time Eli Lilly introduced Prozac to the market and FDA fraudulently approved it even though its a very dangerous drug. Prozac acts on the reuptake mechanism for serotonin in unpredictable ways, causing some people to commit suicide, others to commit homicide, and it is nowhere NEAR as safe to use as l-tryptophan is (which is a NATURAL serotonin precursor.)"
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