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Uhm, first I would seriously consider its validity when the ones who advocate it spur out lies, constantly, to get people into it.
I wouldn't say they are lying. They believe the things they say. Andreas Moritz genuinely wanted to help people. Unfortunately, he was misinformed about a lot of things such as diet. As I said though, if one is wrong about one or a few things, it doesn't automatically make everything they preach false.
The mechanics behind the 'liver flush' is that you should digest dangerous amounts of epsom salt (which should not be digested at all) with a high amount of olive oil. Before this, it is recommended that we should starve all day, and preferably only drinking ACV or apples for a week.
You don't have to starve all day. You only have to go about 8 hours without food. For over 2 million years, humans adapted to go days without food. It's actually quite healthy. You should try fasting every once in a while.
After this 'flush' is completed we get explosive diarrhea with a bunch of disgusting green stones (that we should keep in the fridge as a badge of honor) popping out of us. We are weak days after, understandably.
I never had explosive diarrhea. Just gentle water pouring out. I experienced no pain during the process. Also, you don't just drink ACV or apples for a week. You just ingest a little bit of malic acid (with a normal diet) before the flush. This could come from a little cherry juice each day. Quite easy to do.
Do you understand the impact this can have on your body? You do understand that the body doesn't need detoxing, there is no such thing, and that it takes care of itself if it didn't you would not have the strength to even write this.
I do understand that the body detoxes itself. It's a continual process. However, you need to understand that the world we live in is extremely toxic. Our bodies aren't yet adapted to this kind of toxicity. We need extra help. That's where things like saunas, liver herbs like milk thistle, drinking plenty of water, etc come in. Most people walking around today are full of heavy metals, pesticides, plastics, preservatives, etc etc I don't think they could ever successfully get rid of all that buildup just by living life. They would need to enhance the process, whether through nutrition or other means. I'm going to continue to try to support my detox pathways.
I really think we should all stop talking about liver flushing on this forum. Let's try to keep the chatter to understanding the mechanisms behind why we are messed up. I wish tryingtohelp2014 would come back and drop some knowledge bombs on us
Uhm, first I would seriously consider its validity when the ones who advocate it spur out lies, constantly, to get people into it.
I wouldn't say they are lying. They believe the things they say. Andreas Moritz genuinely wanted to help people. Unfortunately, he was misinformed about a lot of things such as diet. As I said though, if one is wrong about one or a few things, it doesn't automatically make everything they preach false.
The mechanics behind the 'liver flush' is that you should digest dangerous amounts of epsom salt (which should not be digested at all) with a high amount of olive oil. Before this, it is recommended that we should starve all day, and preferably only drinking ACV or apples for a week.
You don't have to starve all day. You only have to go about 8 hours without food. For over 2 million years, humans adapted to go days without food. It's actually quite healthy. You should try fasting every once in a while.
After this 'flush' is completed we get explosive diarrhea with a bunch of disgusting green stones (that we should keep in the fridge as a badge of honor) popping out of us. We are weak days after, understandably.
I never had explosive diarrhea. Just gentle water pouring out. I experienced no pain during the process. Also, you don't just drink ACV or apples for a week. You just ingest a little bit of malic acid (with a normal diet) before the flush. This could come from a little cherry juice each day. Quite easy to do.
Do you understand the impact this can have on your body? You do understand that the body doesn't need detoxing, there is no such thing, and that it takes care of itself if it didn't you would not have the strength to even write this.
I do understand that the body detoxes itself. It's a continual process. However, you need to understand that the world we live in is extremely toxic. Our bodies aren't yet adapted to this kind of toxicity. We need extra help. That's where things like saunas, liver herbs like milk thistle, drinking plenty of water, etc come in. Most people walking around today are full of heavy metals, pesticides, plastics, preservatives, etc etc I don't think they could ever successfully get rid of all that buildup just by living life. They would need to enhance the process, whether through nutrition or other means. I'm going to continue to try to support my detox pathways.
I really think we should all stop talking about liver flushing on this forum. Let's try to keep the chatter to understanding the mechanisms behind why we are messed up. I wish tryingtohelp2014 would come back and drop some knowledge bombs on us
"However, you need to understand that the world we live in is extremely toxic. Our bodies aren't yet adapted to this kind of toxicity. We need extra help. That's where things like saunas, liver herbs like milk thistle, drinking plenty of water, etc come in. Most people walking around today are full of heavy metals, pesticides, plastics, preservatives, etc etc I don't think they could ever successfully get rid of all that buildup just by living life. They would need to enhance the process, whether through nutrition or other means. I'm going to continue to try to support my detox pathways."
- Where do you get this stuff from? Seems as if you are actually repeating something you read on an oxy-powder label. 'Enhance' the process? We are evolved creatures, that is how it works, we do not have to 'detox' there is no such thing. There is not like garbage hiding in our bodies, do you believe that? However, stress, anxiety, hormones, too much bad bacteria etc can create different symptoms but there aren't toxins lurking around in your body. It is a way to sell products, that is it.
Anyways, I'm done. Agreed, I will stop now. I just wanted someone to counter you idea to detox through these methods. It is not safe.
For everyone who are considering this please take time to read this before: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
"Isotretinoin's exact mechanism of action is unknown, but several studies have shown that isotretinoin induces apoptosis (cell death) in various cells in the body. Cell death may be instigated in the meibomian glands, hypothalamic cells, hippocampus cells" ... "Isotretinoin has been speculated to down-regulate the telomerase enzyme and hTERT, inhibiting "cellular immortalization and tumorigenesis"
That seems like all we really know right now about Accutane's method of action, and it would seem like those are some permanent changes, not the drug still being in our system.
This just makes me think we need to promote enzymes and growth to make those needed repairs.
Thoughts?
Hope everyone is doing well, and remembering to stay positive 
Cheers
copper toxicity?
if somone have too much copper can it be an indication for a iron deficency? or maybe for a unavailable iron because of a manganese deficecncy(being used to much for sod2? and for UDP-glucuronosyltransferase which removes the drug?) and more deficiencies which make iron unavialable or unbound?
lets just say for a minute that copper is nedded for iron bounding(it is needed for something for iron but i dont know if for bounding) if the iron bounfing mechanisem needs more then copper, and those more factors are deficent so the complete bounding (stracture?) is not working or being made-could this elevate copper?
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i dont know chemistry . does this scheme means that Fe (iron) is being used for the sod mechanisem. or that the sod is against iron?
The SOD-catalysed dismutation of superoxide may be written with the following half-reactions :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_oxygen_species
- M(n+1)+ SOD + O2 Mn+ SOD + O2
- Mn+ SOD + O2 + 2H+ M(n+1)+ SOD + H2O2.
Copper is needed to turn Iron from ferric into ferrous and back again. It's pretty important to Iron metabolism. Also superoxide dismutase needs Manganese, Copper and Iron to function properly. B12 and Folate are linked to DNA methylation but they are also partly responsible for Iron metabolism. Zinc increases SOD as well but it's antagonistic to Copper.
I read this about Fasting:
page 59 -calorei restriction
https://books.google...q=Onco &f=false
it sais it can decrease ROS, increase expression of DNA repair , sais it activate detoxification.
but can this be helpful if you are deficent in some importent nutrinets which are deplete from the accutane?
maybe you need to have those and then do such fasting? for how long?one day a week will have power to do something or more is needed.
if accutane is causing a epigenetic signale which initiate the problem, could a opposite epigenetic signale revarse it(if fasting is such)? or slowly if reapatedly do it ? especially if while this signale is sent also the drug during the fast is maybe more detoxify if it is still in the body which make the bad signale to get even more weaker?
maybe fasting with only some supps that trying to help suggested or taking them during periods of fasting?
Detoxification requires certain nutrients, yes. This is how the body is naturally detoxifying at all times of the day. The body will do it in a very slow but safe manner. If the body is deficient in nutrients, it can have a hard time doing this natural method of detoxification. In the meantime, while deficient in nutrients, new environmental toxins will start adding up, putting an even greater strain on the body. Now the body will become even more nutrient deprived as it tries to rid itself of everything. Certain methods of quick detoxification, like fasting can be effective in these instances. They are dangerous because the body releases massive amounts of toxins from the fat cells in a very short period of time but can help the body bust through a plateau of ridding the body of harmful substances.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219165/
Some basics: if you eat protein, carbs, or exercise hard as an example, it stimulates IGF1 production which is associated with cell growth, differentiation, and proliferation. This can be a cause of acne. IGF1 activates the AKT pathway which inhibits the Fox0 gene. This Fox gene has many stress reducing functions such as the activation of antioxidant genes, DNA repair, autophagy (degrading damaged proteins), etc. If it is deactivated, it does not do any of these important functions. The body always has a choice to either grow and proliferate or maintain and repair.
"Isotretinoin-mediated FoxO signaling just reverses the proposed growth factor/PI3K/Akt pathway of acne which leads to a nuclear deficiency of FoxO proteins."
*It seems as if accutane negatively affects both the growth AND maintenance pathways
In other words, accutane influences the Fox0 gene signaling which results in a deficiency of Fox0 proteins. I would think that being deficient in these proteins or enzymes would be a major cause as to why a lot of us experience lack of protection from ROS and free radical damage, poor cellular detoxification and tissue repair etc as it decreases the function of the Fox0 pathway. Just some food for thought
I read this about Fasting:
page 59 -calorei restriction
https://books.google...q=Onco &f=false
it sais it can decrease ROS, increase expression of DNA repair , sais it activate detoxification.
but can this be helpful if you are deficent in some importent nutrinets which are deplete from the accutane?
maybe you need to have those and then do such fasting? for how long?one day a week will have power to do something or more is needed.
if accutane is causing a epigenetic signale which initiate the problem, could a opposite epigenetic signale revarse it(if fasting is such)? or slowly if reapatedly do it ? especially if while this signale is sent also the drug during the fast is maybe more detoxify if it is still in the body which make the bad signale to get even more weaker?
maybe fasting with only some supps that trying to help suggested or taking them during periods of fasting?
Detoxification requires certain nutrients, yes. This is how the body is naturally detoxifying at all times of the day. The body will do it in a very slow but safe manner. If the body is deficient in nutrients, it can have a hard time doing this natural method of detoxification. In the meantime, while deficient in nutrients, new environmental toxins will start adding up, putting an even greater strain on the body. Now the body will become even more nutrient deprived as it tries to rid itself of everything. Certain methods of quick detoxification, like fasting can be effective in these instances. They are dangerous because the body releases massive amounts of toxins from the fat cells in a very short period of time but can help the body bust through a plateau of ridding the body of harmful substances.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219165/
Some basics: if you eat protein or exercise hard, it stimulates IGF1 production which is associated with cell growth, differentiation, and proliferation. This can be a cause of acne. IGF1 activates the AKT pathway which inhibits the Fox0 gene. This Fox gene has many stress reducing functions such as the activation of antioxidant genes, DNA repair, autophagy (degrading damaged proteins), etc. If it is deactivated, it does not do any of these important functions. The body always has a choice to either grow and proliferate or repair and
"Isotretinoin-mediated FoxO signaling just reverses the proposed growth factor/PI3K/Akt pathway of acne which leads to a nuclear deficiency of FoxO proteins."
In other words, accutane influences the Fox0 gene signaling which results in a deficiency of Fox0 proteins. I would think that being deficient in these proteins or enzymes would be a major cause as to why a lot of us experience ROS and free radical damage, poor cellular detoxification, etc as it would decrease the function of the Fox0 pathway. Just some food for thought
I think you're on to something, since inactivation of FoxOs occurs mostly because of the overactivation of their inhibitory signaling, and FoxO expression is crucial for stress management, longevity, cell growth and proper apoptosis- a LOT of chronic diseases and cancers come from the lack of apoptosis of cells that need to go.
Also: "pharmacologic targeting of the PI3K-Akt pathway in combination with strategies that promote nuclear retention of FoxOs have the potential to be superior in targeting a range of inflammation-associated pathologies including cancer."
Unfortunately, we know very little right now about how to control its reactivation, but I will look more into this and update when/if I find anything.
EDIT 1: It looks like we want AKT inhibitors and FoxO stimulators that help retention or enhancers/activators. So far I found ECGC (the antioxidant in green tea) helps FoxOs, and there are drugs out there that are AKT inhibitors. Still looking. I really think this could help us.
I've noticed that the closer I am to death, the greater the ease in realignment. After accutane all of my psychological problems melted away as my direction of energy was forced to change. It seems logical that gradual long-term fasting would work in a similar way for the body. In a way that is gentle, of course.
As yetanotheraccutanevictim says the body can choose its direction of energy based on the information you are feeding it.
i just found another post that looks possibly helpful on Fivver. Looks like I am getting really good at searching the web. lol. I found this on tors search engine its a Fivver gig but I am thinking about giving it a read. Has anyone had any substantial success through certain foods or diets?
Mod Edit
hmm...$5 for recovering guide? did anybody buy it?
Just got a bunch of bloodwork back.... Thyroid, vitamins/minerals, diabetes, hemochromatosis (iron levels), electrolytes.
The only thing that points towards some sort of deficiency are the white lines on my nails. Zinc? Calcium maybe.. idk. If I do have a zinc deficiency, copper overload is looking like a possibility.
Everything normal sigh. Thankfully my doctor didn't just say "its all in my head". I'm getting a hair mineral analysis done. Hopefully that can shine the light on some issues! It would be really great if I could figure out how to get rid of the seb derm or psoriasis on my temples and side of head.
BTW everyone doing NoFap really helps with brain fog and ED. The secret is don't FUCKING touch it. = )
i just found another post that looks possibly helpful on Fivver. Looks like I am getting really good at searching the web. lol. I found this on tors search engine its a Fivver gig but I am thinking about giving it a read. Has anyone had any substantial success through certain foods or diets?
Mod Edit
hmm...$5 for recovering guide? did anybody buy it?
I'm in the process of checking it out.
i just found another post that looks possibly helpful on Fivver. Looks like I am getting really good at searching the web. lol. I found this on tors search engine its a Fivver gig but I am thinking about giving it a read. Has anyone had any substantial success through certain foods or diets?
Mod Edit
hmm...$5 for recovering guide? did anybody buy it?
I'm in the process of checking it out.
We're waiting for your results.
Someone actually paid money for a guide to recovering from Accutane?
Written by a guy who posts in this thread as someone still suffering from side effects years after taking it (fobagguy/awashington/accutanereallysucks)?
???
Hahahaha ....and the ones your mother gives you don't do anything at all. Cute
AND he's claiming to be a dermatologist now?
About This Gig
Victims alike are all wondering if there is a magic Antidote to reverse damage created by accutane. As a dermatologist who prescribed it for too long, I have found interest in finding the Mechanism of action of accutane. As you all know, it dries out more than the sebaceous glans in your skin, effects brain communication, and can nearly shut down organ function.
The body turns itself over and regenerates about every 7 years, which includes organ function. The basic vitamins simulate what we are given in the womb, think of it as the main three Calcium Magnesium and Phosphoric a plant needs. Given these as a base remedy (The easy part of accutane recovery) Along with a guide to minimize further congestion of damaged organs, my diet plan is the most up to date (2015) Progress we've made to help these post-chemo patients enjoy life again. The problem with accutane victims is that unless the proper diet (and supplementation) is provided, eased into and done correctly, you might not be getting back to homeostasis at all.
Unforunately when retinoid is introduced at any pharmacuitical level, the organs slow down in their capabilities.
My Guide Covers retinoid damage repair completely.
???
Can I have $5 too guys?
EDIT: BTW-
GG, well played, stick with checkers buddy, don't use the same email in sockpuppet posts next time, should've offered me a cut, try harder, thanks for the entertainment but don't quit your day job, etc, etc..
On 1/24/2015 at 7:44 AM, Dubya_B said:Someone actually paid money for a guide to recovering from Accutane?
Written by a guy who posts in this thread as someone still suffering from side effects years after taking it (fobagguy/awashington/accutanereallysucks)?
???
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Hahahaha ....and the ones your mother gives you don't do anything at all. Cute
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AND he's claiming to be a dermatologist now?
QuoteAbout This Gig
Victims alike are all wondering if there is a magic Antidote to reverse damage created by accutane. As a dermatologist who prescribed it for too long, I have found interest in finding the Mechanism of action of accutane. As you all know, it dries out more than the sebaceous glans in your skin, effects brain communication, and can nearly shut down organ function.
The body turns itself over and regenerates about every 7 years, which includes organ function. The basic vitamins simulate what we are given in the womb, think of it as the main three Calcium Magnesium and Phosphoric a plant needs. Given these as a base remedy (The easy part of accutane recovery) Along with a guide to minimize further congestion of damaged organs, my diet plan is the most up to date (2015) Progress we've made to help these post-chemo patients enjoy life again. The problem with accutane victims is that unless the proper diet (and supplementation) is provided, eased into and done correctly, you might not be getting back to homeostasis at all.
Unforunately when retinoid is introduced at any pharmacuitical level, the organs slow down in their capabilities.
My Guide Covers retinoid damage repair completely.
???
Can I have $5 too guys?
EDIT: BTW-
GG, well played, stick with checkers buddy, don't use the same email in sockpuppet posts next time, should've offered me a cut, try harder, thanks for the entertainment but don't quit your day job, etc, etc..
Nice catch. Can't beleive someones actually doing that!
I can believe it. They know most of us are easy targets. Surely isn't the first time it's been done.
Think I fingered the guy. Haha
Maybe he heard opportunity knocking all of a sudden and had already botched it by then?
Even if he did get hit with Accutane side effects, then he has two reasons to become a hero if he's so greedy to pinch pennies from people in the same situation and also too dumb to not be obvious.
Says he is into "alternative medicine". Asshole
Also gets aroused by working on Macbooks. Apple user, so you can be certain this guy is a real monster!!!!
Well it's a good thing I don't need input to know that the flushing works for me, from experience and success. It may not have worked for you, and I'm sorry to hear. I hope other things do help. you seem to have a wealth of knowledge.
To others with food sensitivites, LGlutamine has really helped with my gut. I find I am less sensitive to gluten in general, but sugar is still highly toxic to me. It seems foolish to continue to attack candida when I know the problem is a compromised or leaky gut, but at least reducing the count can give my body a break and prevent chronic localized yeast problems. I've been taking Nystatin to help reduce the candida and reducing/cutting out sugar completely. It's definitely difficult to cut out sugar completely, but it definitely eradicates joint pain, dry skin, and most issues for me (while taking it). Don't know if anyone else notices the same connection. I know this isn't new bringing this up...but for me, everything comes back to the gut. If that's functioning well and supported, I am well. I don't have any chrohn's, ulcerative colitis, etc diagnoses. Kimchi, kefir, yogurt, and other fermented foods all the way!
Also, I do appreciate the research and hypotheses on biochemistry...but, be careful with that stuff too. Studies can easily be misinterpreted by nonscientists...keep in mind many of them are just that, studies and are correlational much of the time. Just as people can poo poo flushing and other more natural remedies, layperson interpretation can be just as dangerous even when it is based on hard science. Experience in my opinion has been the most helpful constant throughout all of this. I do think there has been some truth to what people have laid out and I do take it seriously, but cautiously.
Well it's a good thing I don't need input to know that the flushing works for me, from experience and success. It may not have worked for you, and I'm sorry to hear. I hope other things do help. you seem to have a wealth of knowledge.
To others with food sensitivites, LGlutamine has really helped with my gut. I find I am less sensitive to gluten in general, but sugar is still highly toxic to me. It seems foolish to continue to attack candida when I know the problem is a compromised or leaky gut, but at least reducing the count can give my body a break and prevent chronic localized yeast problems. I've been taking Nystatin to help reduce the candida and reducing/cutting out sugar completely. It's definitely difficult to cut out sugar completely, but it definitely eradicates joint pain, dry skin, and most issues for me (while taking it). Don't know if anyone else notices the same connection. I know this isn't new bringing this up...but for me, everything comes back to the gut. If that's functioning well and supported, I am well. I don't have any chrohn's, ulcerative colitis, etc diagnoses. Kimchi, kefir, yogurt, and other fermented foods all the way!
Also, I do appreciate the research and hypotheses on biochemistry...but, be careful with that stuff too. Studies can easily be misinterpreted by nonscientists...keep in mind many of them are just that, studies and are correlational much of the time. Just as people can poo poo flushing and other more natural remedies, layperson interpretation can be just as dangerous even when it is based on hard science. Experience in my opinion has been the most helpful constant throughout all of this. I do think there has been some truth to what people have laid out and I do take it seriously, but cautiously.
Yeah for me too, my bloating is reduced from 80 to 30 % and many issues are reduced with it.
I'm also looking into Colostrum, great for leaky gut and for your immune system. It is also advised for people after chemo to rebuild immune system and anti inflammatory.
For all regimes we try, we have to use it for a minimum of 3/4 months, for making it work or not work.
On 1/24/2015 at 6:23 PM, Walden Rev said:I'm also looking into Colostrum, great for leaky gut and for your immune system. It is also advised for people after chemo to rebuild immune system and anti inflammatory.
For all regimes we try, we have to use it for a minimum of 3/4 months, for making it work or not work.
Colostrum is fantastic. Make sure you use Andrew Keech's colostrum. It's the best in the world. It's the main colostrum used for HIV patients across the world. NuMedica is a brand that uses it. Most potent
Everyone might want to check out:
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I'll be digging through the info over the next few days.
Hope everyone is doing fine , concerning HIV watch House of Numbers ( with add ons ), another pHARMa scam what else is new , and goggle " Dr Stefan Lanka exposes the Viral fraud " a brilliant virologist and molecular biologist from Germany , professor Peter Duesbergs book is also excellent titled Inventing the Aids virus and finally read the book " Virus Mania " excellent basically everything we have been told has been a complete LIE. Polio , Aids , Hep C , B , Ebola etc its all a SCAM welcome to reality .
What we are dealing with is as I have said often chronic cellular dehydration , Accutane is stored in the fat cells NOT the liver it depletes hyaluronic acid across the board so as I have said many times before BAXYL and bone broth soup work great for re hydration and also for joint pain those two are the only thing that has worked for me over the years . The damage is permanent so it's all about damage control. Btw smoke pot for the mood it works.
Pete (=
On 1/26/2015 at 9:13 AM, Gladiatoro said:What we are dealing with is as I have said often chronic cellular dehydration , Accutane is stored in the fat cells NOT the liver it depletes hyaluronic acid across the board so as I have said many times before BAXYL and bone broth soup work great for re hydration and also for joint pain those two are the only thing that has worked for me over the years . The damage is permanent so it's all about damage control. Btw smoke pot for the mood it works.
Pete (=
I see this thread has devolved into scam artists now LOL...
Youre part right. the body doesnt store hyaluronic acid, it gets produced...the body gets depleted of the cofactors needed to convert GAGs into hyaluronic acid. we dont have a hyaluronic acid problem...we have a collagen problem. This collagen problem is responsible for many of our symptoms, skin, eyes, gut, joints.
Look at any random joint formula. here is one:
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More specifically, GAGs make up the core of all connective tissue, and chondroitin is one of the building blocks of connective tissue. Additionally the loss of chondroitin is directly related to the loss of GAGs, and supplementing these substances supports the maintenance of the synovial fluid in the joint; therefore, Perna supports the health, comfort, flexibility and hydration of synovial fluid and connective tissues in the joint.*
We include manganese in Perna Plus because Perna needs manganese to function at its optimal level. Manganese also converts the glucosamine into hyaluronic acid (HA), which acts as the shock absorber in the joint. MSM is part of a methyl group that supports many vital biochemical processes in the body, including energy production. But it also provides sulfur, which is a vital building block to joints. As a methyl donor (mentioned above), DMG supports MSMs role in joint health more efficiently, in addition its role in many other normal functions in the body.
Thats why they have patents for this stuff:
http://www.google.com/patents/US5364845
"Manganese, an important synergist to the composition, plays a central role in the synthesis of GAGS, collagen and glycoproteins which are important constituents of cartilage and bone. Manganese is required for enzyme activity of glycosyltransferases. This family of enzymes is responsible for linking sugars together into glycosaminoglycans, adding sugars to other glycoproteins, adding sulfate to aminosugars, converting sugars into other modified sugars, and adding sugars to lipids. These functions are manifested as glycosaminoglycan synthesis (hyaluronic acid, chondroitin sulfate, keratan sulfate, heparin sulfate and dermatin sulfate etc.), collagen synthesis, and function of many other glycoproteins and glycolipids. Glycosaminoglycans and collagen are the chief structural elements of all connective tissues. Their synthesis is essential for proper maintenance and repair of connective tissues."
These same enzymes (glycosyltransferases) are needed to conjugate accutane metabolites out of the body. I have no doubt its abnormally stored in some people. Be it in the fat, or fat in the liver!
You can continue to take BAXYL and im sure it will mask the symptoms....but why wouldnt you try to get to the core of the problem and have your body make its own?
Hey, mad scientists. Came across an idea that seemed appropriately cracked enough for this thread.
Who's heard of or experimented with FMT (fecal matter transplants)?
Hey, mad scientists. Came across an idea that seemed appropriately cracked enough for this thread.
Who's heard of or experimented with FMT (fecal matter transplants)?
Hey guyz,
I don't know if any of you have read this post in the balding blog, but this dude is claiming to have corrected his hair loss from accutane. It is a post from the baldingblog.
Anonymous says:
I DEFINITELy started losing my hair immediately after taking the accutane treatment (which I took when I was 15)I struggled with hair loss resulting from the accutane for 4 1/2 years after thattried Rogaine, which didnt do much.
FINALLY, when I was a freshman in college and my hairloss was getting EXCESSIVELY WORSE, I went and saw a Physician/doctor who specializes in diets. He put me on:
*SAW PALMETTO EXTRACT, a good multivitamin, grapenol extract, fish oil pills, and *ADRENAL SUPPLEMENTS phytisone (the * ones are the supplements that I think are most responsible for regrowth)
I have experienced results like NO OTHER! I have been on this combination of supplements for about 4 1/2 months and I am almost back to a normal looking hairline! And before this, my hairline had been about 40% lost
I know now FOR SURE that at least SOME Accutane hair-loss sufferers out there can regrow at LEAST SOME of their hair, so Im just praying that it continues the way it has been.
So another option is to try talking to a physician about those two supplements in particular:
SAW PALMETTO extract, PHYTISONE Adrenal Supplements (Thorne is the company that makes mine)
in addition to:
Fish Oil extract pills, a good multivitamin, zinc vitamin, grapenol extract
Especially for those without MPB (which my family never gets until their late 50s), this might be a combination to at least try for 6 months.
What yall think about this?
I was starting to take saw palmetto but got scared off from all the stories of estrogen dominance and gyno. Having ed and major hair loss already, I don't want gyno on top of that. I did order an adrenal supplement(but not phytisone as stated in his post) because a while back I was taking one and do recal feeling better overall.
If anyone recalls I am still using lllt for my hair loss with out much sucess. Things only got worse. I recently stoped it for a little while and got a more quality one for much cheaper than the other I was using so i'll see how that goes.
So i'll be starting this regimine:
adrenal supplement, lllt, and some essential oils an hour before washing off(castor, emu, olive oil, and cut open saw palmetto oil), sls free shampoo, and 1000mcg biotin(too much makes me break out bad).
I will update with pictures if things actually improve from this. This is kind of my last hope. I tries minox but got brain fog(making accutane brain fog worse) and some headaches and sure as hell ain't going on propecia.
I been following this thread for quite a while and very well understand supplement most of the time do little to nothing, but I feel if the guy that had some success doing what he did, I could possibly have success as well. I just feel if I continue to do nothing it will only get worse. I would feel much better knowing I tried before giving up.
Just expecting for the worst but prayin for the best!
Sorry for this long post, but there is a very touching and tragic story I would like to share with everyone.
And I now realize accutanereallysucks/awashington/fobagguy should be treated with sympathy and humanity after learning of his plight. I stumbled across an archived article from Weekly World News from a few years ago and it all suddenly became clear. ...It is truly a small world after all.
It was a cloudy, windy day in Arlington, Washinton. A young communications technician and fellow Accutane afflictee, Alan Forsberg, was preparing to replace the spark-gap modulator (it's a real thing) on a radar antenna at the local airport. Tragedy struck. An isolated bolt of lightning was grounded by the radar installation, knocking it out of position, and energizing it for several seconds. At that same moment, middle-aged Swedish dermatologist and laser hair-removal expert, Johan Fobagguy, happened to be walking past on his way to catch a flight home to see his family. After noticing a path of melted tarmac left by the beam of high intensity microwave rays heading toward the man, the brave Mr. Forsberg lunged toward him to knock him out of the way at the last split second. ...But it was too late.
Both men were caught in the focal point of the microwaves at the moment they came in physical contact. In a twist of irony, the skin on Dr. Fobagguy's head and upper torso was vaporized by the superheated plasma. Unfortunately, he did not survive the incident.
The EMTs arriving on the scene were amazed to find Alan not only still breathing after such a terrible mishap, but still in a semi-concious state. Even more astonishing, was Mr. Forsberg's psychological evaluation before being released from the hospital the next day. He was suffering from sudden onset multiple personality disorder, his psyche shattered. Alan Forsberg, comm-tech expert, identified himself as Dr. Fobagguy and stated his profession as "dermatologist" to the attending therapist.
... [removed] was born on the fateful day of the accident when bits and pieces of information were projected from the dermatologist's brain into Mr. Forsberg's by the powerful beam, overwriting his morals and decency center with the knowledge that oil production can lead to acne and that Accutane decreases oil production. It dawned on him: To reverse Accutane side-effects, one must simply increase oil production. Armed with this profound and exclusive dermatology-knowledge and his trusty Macbook, he set-out to change the plight of the post-Accutane community $5.00 at a time from his advanced research facility in the second bedroom of his apartment in the mountains of Washington State.
Alan's friends have stated that peripheral personalities from the depths of his fractured mind also take control from time to time and often post links to content written by "Fobagguy," forgetting that they are in fact one in the same. This Dr. "Fobagguy," his most prominent personality, adamantly proclaims himself a dermatologist, going as far as changing long-stagnant LinkdIn profiles over the weekend to help protect the illusion of a medical degree when he feels threatened. He is also known to completely forget what he said from one personality to the next and sometimes misinterprets things "they" said in PMs, trying to cover for their amateur mistakes.
I myself have never owned a Macbook, so I apologize from the bottom of my heart for berating them. It is good to be assured that they are built like a Mack Truck (lol, see what I did there), and would most likely survive being screamed at and thrown across a room while sustaining minimal damage. A perfect fit for short-tempered alter egos.
So ladies and gentlemen, let us do what we can to help this poor confused soul reach the 6-figure salary he deserves as the dermatologist he believes he is, so he will no longer have to fix laptops and patch together PowerPoint coverpages to fund his research into Accutane side-effects. He is one of us, ...maybe? *shrugs*.
You can help out by posting your own complete guide to repairing retinoid damage for free everywhere you can and linking the post to his fiverr URL, or by posting his guide and requesting people donate to him if they find the information useful, which it surely is.