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Of course accutane is not the main problem, diet is. Global toxicity & congestion can't come only from accutane, even if accutane create mass cells poisoning and death plus emunctory blockage who contribute to it. Diet is the main source of poisoning. Sugar (from fruit) is the main source of fuel for cells, if you are eating low sugar & too much protein (meat) you are starving your body, meat lack minerals & vitamins. Can't believe that some moron can say that a physiological diet (fruits vegs nuts seeds) will starve the body and a trashy diet full of toxins & glues (grains, meat & dairy) will nourrish it.
Diet is the only way to get your health back. If you think that diet is about lack of something you didn't understood anything about physiology, diet is about permmiting the body to eliminate the toxicity with the help of some herbs & cure (liver flush etc..). Some here are funny, they think they will eliminate years of accumulating congestion/toxicity (and intestinal glue-ing & damage/hyperpermeability) with 1 liver flush, it take years even with the helps of a lot of flushs & herbs, people who say "diet is a waste of time" just wasn't able to tolerate the detox symptoms and stopped it after some month (even sooner). The body can tolerate stress & anxiety, if you have too much symptoms from it you have clearly a toxic weak body.
Interesting story x) I'm sorry for being a bit harsh but someone as to tell the truth, when i see someone repeating bs non-stop it make me mad. You can't say things like it's the absolute truth when it is not and when you haven't researched/learn enough on the subject, don't mix your own believes with truth.
I didn't edited for the spelling errors, nothing brilliant to say except arguing about grammar? i'm not english by the way.
And being a dick or not is not what's important to me, i'm just interested by saying true information and fighting against bs people constantly say which can affect others like myself i'm my early accutane-poisoning. It was because moron like you pretending having knowledge telling others they are "doom" or "they is no solution", "diet isn't important", "it's all anxiety" that i almost wanted to live this place, hopefully some chain reaction pushed me to think by myself and find the way to get my whole health back (and even more).
I didn't edited for the spelling errors, nothing brilliant to say except arguing about grammar? i'm not english by the way.
And being a dick or not is not what's important to me, i'm just interested by saying true information and fighting against bs people constantly say which can affect others like myself i'm my early accutane-poisoning. It was because moron like you pretending having knowledge telling others they are "doom" or "they is no solution", "diet isn't important", "it's all anxiety" that i almost wanted to live this place, hopefully some chain reaction pushed me to think by myself and find the way to get my whole health back (and even more).
Good luck with that... I look forward to hearing of your recovery 
I didn't edited for the spelling errors, nothing brilliant to say except arguing about grammar? i'm not english by the way.
And being a dick or not is not what's important to me, i'm just interested by saying true information and fighting against bs people constantly say which can affect others like myself i'm my early accutane-poisoning. It was because moron like you pretending having knowledge telling others they are "doom" or "they is no solution", "diet isn't important", "it's all anxiety" that i almost wanted to live this place, hopefully some chain reaction pushed me to think by myself and find the way to get my whole health back (and even more).
Good luck with that... I look forward to hearing of your recovery
Anonyy may come off as very frank and harsh sometimes, but he has provided a lot of valuable information here. I for one find it pretty cool that he IS willing to 'fight' to help others. Through basic searching and reading one could find plenty of research to back up his claims too. Definitely find him to be an asset to the community.
My ruitine blood result: very low vitamine B12 and vitamine D.
I had my first injection today for B12. It helped a little bit, but the reason behind it ( why is it so low) is a question mark.
My vision problems (very sensitive against spot lights and especially at nights) is disturbing me. Do you have any suggestion for that? It occurs if you have not enough vit A but no way!
And sometimes I find my hands, foot shaking, as I said, B12 helped for that too, I hope it will be gone after remaining shots.
And with the endochronologist, I spend almost 30 min to convince him that all these sympthoms are not psychologic. After the conversation his last word was still; you should see a psychologist. How did I trust these people before accutane..
7/11/14
Wow, it's been a while since I've been on here; namely because I've been feeling a lot better. But let me pass on my tips to you.
The reason why I was losing hair was because my DHEA-sulfate levels were extremely out of range. It's a common problem all over the Internet. So I did some research on how to lower these levels, and now my hair is back to normal. But it will be a significant lifestyle change.
Don't eat high-oxalate foods.
These foods were what I lived on. I was vegetarian, so I lived on beans and nuts and soy. But after I cut these out, it took a few months, but my hair loss slided to a halt.
The main foods to avoid are anything soy-based, beans, nuts, chocolate, spinach, potatoes, and some berries. Make most of your diet low-ox fruits and veggies and meat. And don't eat anything that spikes blood sugar (carbs and sugars) on its own; pair it up with protein and fat. If you eat plenty of fat and protein, you'll start to feel better.
I also have some supplements I take. I make sure to have two big spoonfuls of blackstrap molasses a day to replenish my iron levels (I take it with tomato juice because Vitamin C enhances iron absorption.) And I also take at least one teaspoon of gelatin in the morning. Both of these supplements help with your joints, aging, dry skin, and your hair.
Also, B complex is good; it gives me lots of energy. I'm on Metformin (recently diagnosed prediabetic) so I need it, since Metformin will deplete your B vitamins.
Lifestyle-wise, try to touch your hair as little as possible. When you wash your hair, don't scrub or massage your scalp. What I do is I take a little squirt of shampoo and put it in a hair color applicator bottle, then I squirt it onto my scalp. I do this twice, then I rinse out. Use a shower filter. Chlorine plays a HUGE part in drying out your hair and skin!
Try not to comb or brush your hair too much and don't put it up that often. Combing and brushing through tangles and putting up your hair puts strain on the scalp. Leave your hair loose. I got a pixie cut and I love it; it makes life so much easier.
Hope this helps!
lol. I haven't been on the forum for a while (was basically trying Indigo's method of just letting go.. surprise, the "disease" was still there when I came back), and just wanted to reply/comment on a few things.
My experience with THC/CBD- I used/smoked during Accutane treatment and for years after, and it only ever (and still does) make my symptoms and inflammation worse for whatever reason. CBD alone helps with my skin and cognition (after it makes me feel like I have Downs for 2+ days), but continued use makes anxiety (proven somewhere by some study) worse, and stops helping the skin (like most treatments such as antibiotics or anti-inflammatories).
Indigo- diet is still the /only/ thing I have ever found to work nearly 100% of the time. Just eating small portions of things alone seems to really really help (no more than 2 fistfuls of food /ever/). I'm sure restrictive diets help even more. Stress does make our condition worse, but just because it makes us worse (like it does to many conditions), doesn't mean stress is what is causing our condition.
And as far as the Accutane still being in our bodies... My personal experience is that when I don't eat/eat less, I feel better. If the "poison" were still stored in our bodies in fat cells, when we ate less our bodies would burn the fat and the poison would return and make us feel worse. To the contrary though, people who exercise and diet actually feel better.
*shrug* I do know that sleeping an abnormally long time helps me feel a lot better, but this could simply be because we're eliminating environmental additives/not eating, and letting our bodies try to "repair" whatever is wrong. Idk. Do what works for you, however crazy it is. Joe shrimp rice man may be laughed at, but if he's feeling 100% better than you are, who's really having the last laugh?
Cheers
7/11/14
Wow, it's been a while since I've been on here; namely because I've been feeling a lot better. But let me pass on my tips to you.
The reason why I was losing hair was because my DHEA-sulfate levels were extremely out of range. It's a common problem all over the Internet. So I did some research on how to lower these levels, and now my hair is back to normal. But it will be a significant lifestyle change.
Don't eat high-oxalate foods.
These foods were what I lived on. I was vegetarian, so I lived on beans and nuts and soy. But after I cut these out, it took a few months, but my hair loss slided to a halt.
The main foods to avoid are anything soy-based, beans, nuts, chocolate, spinach, potatoes, and some berries. Make most of your diet low-ox fruits and veggies and meat. And don't eat anything that spikes blood sugar (carbs and sugars) on its own; pair it up with protein and fat. If you eat plenty of fat and protein, you'll start to feel better.
I also have some supplements I take. I make sure to have two big spoonfuls of blackstrap molasses a day to replenish my iron levels (I take it with tomato juice because Vitamin C enhances iron absorption.) And I also take at least one teaspoon of gelatin in the morning. Both of these supplements help with your joints, aging, dry skin, and your hair.
Also, B complex is good; it gives me lots of energy. I'm on Metformin (recently diagnosed prediabetic) so I need it, since Metformin will deplete your B vitamins.
Lifestyle-wise, try to touch your hair as little as possible. When you wash your hair, don't scrub or massage your scalp. What I do is I take a little squirt of shampoo and put it in a hair color applicator bottle, then I squirt it onto my scalp. I do this twice, then I rinse out. Use a shower filter. Chlorine plays a HUGE part in drying out your hair and skin!
Try not to comb or brush your hair too much and don't put it up that often. Combing and brushing through tangles and putting up your hair puts strain on the scalp. Leave your hair loose. I got a pixie cut and I love it; it makes life so much easier.
Hope this helps!
Very nice step to stop legumes & grains but meat is still toxic (except raw and very very low amount). Proteins are toxic in amount you talk about. Mix carbs with protein and fat is a very bad combination. Sugar (fruits) are the main fuel for the cells, can't live properly without it except from grains but as we know they are poisonous.
I understand everyone will have their own opinion on diet, and not everyone is the same... although most of us are in a very similar boat (Titanic).
Realistically, I was probably a lot wrong on suggesting Matt Stone's ideas of eating anything as long as you're getting the calories.
Fact is, though, that if you under-eat (maybe because you think it's healthy, or because you're following a cleanse) you will slow down your metabolism because your body goes into a mode of stress, not knowing if/when it'll get another meal.
This means energy is burnt over a slower period.
It also means you'll cause yourself problems, such as Hypothyroidism (or worsen existing problems).
Eat when you're body tells you to, basically.
But I think eating whatever you want is probably a bad idea.
Rather than try to influence anybody here, I just want to tell you what I intend to eat, and why.
Vegetarian diet (for those that knew I was on one) was just a bad idea, however much I'd rather spare the animal kingdom.
We really did evolve on meat, although a lot of the meat available today isn't naturally produced, as we know.
Fruit, though, would have only been available during seasons...
Most of the time, our ancestors would have to hunt to survive, whether they wanted to kill or not.
Life's pretty fucking cruel really, isn't it?
Another thing that I see cropping up repeatedly is copper toxicity.
I once made a video, around 2 years ago I think.... and it was about someone who'd taken Propecia (Sure, not Accutane, but the side effects couldn't be MORE similar). This guy healed himself when he got a hair mineral analysis test which pointed out he had stupidly high copper levels.
Vegetarian diets are naturally high in copper because they are low in zinc.
To eat protein, people have to eat soy, peanut butter, beans... stuff like that. Or, a shit ton of Kale/spinach (which isn't something your body wants in high volume... Trust your taste buds on this one). Those foods will also likely cause too much estrogen in the body.
To summarise, this guy ended up getting better over several months by eating protein with each meal (mainly meat/eggs).
He also took a thyroid/adrenal glandular supplement.
The zinc (in meat, mostly) helps to counteract the copper toxicity and, over time, reduces it.
I know it sounds a little crazy to think copper could cause so many problems, but it is related to chronic fatigue, brain fog, anxiety... all kinds.
When copper builds up in the liver, in then ends up leaching onto the brain.
Jumping from diet to diet can have a negative effect on your body.
I recently had a message from a girl who took Accutane.
She had a hair mineral analysis and, again, high copper.
Idea is to eat Meat, eggs and vegetables... Not a lot else, though a treat from time to time will be okay.
Another guy messaged me a few months back on YouTube and said he had been advised to have protein often, with each meal.
All I know is, over the time of eating a lot of fruit (something I've always done and enjoyed), I've gotten worse.
A big problem for most of us is hypoglycemia.
Complex carbs and protein, while reducing simple carbs (including FRUIT) seems to be the solution for this.
I know that is seems crazy to reduce/eliminate fruit, but for a lot of us suffering from copper toxicity and digestive problems, fruit ferments and worsens bacteria overgrowth in the small intestine. Fruit in general will raise the blood sugar too fast. For hunters in the years prior, who walked and ran everywhere... this wasn't a big problem, because they quickly used it up. But, again, they would not have had access to this all year round (unless you'd rather believe in Adam and Eve).
Not all fruit is advised against in the diet to eliminate copper, but either way... you should reduce it.
(Mainly because of hypoglycemia)
The fruits you can still enjoy in small quantities is the berries.
Good for antioxidants, but low on the glycemic index.
Strawberries, blueberries... etc.
Either way, and again - not telling you what to do - mainly eat from high quality meat sources, with lots of vegetables (starchy veg, i.e. potato, isn't recommended for the most part).
This isn't to say that everything I've mentioned on Anxiety is suddenly irrelevant.
Added mental and emotional stress will fuck you up.
So, deal with it as best as possible.
Let go of worry as much as you can and rest - Joining a gym when you're fatigued will make you much worse.
Walking and light activity is good though.
Resources:
- A post I wrote and got a reply regarding the guy who recovered: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1990077
- Book I'm using in regards to advise for chronic fatigue syndrome (which includes stuff like adrenal fatigue, which I've been diagnosed with and which most of you likely have too): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diagnosis-Treatment-Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-ebook/dp/B00IC93WJM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405156882&sr=8-1&keywords=chronic+fatigue+syndrome
Thoughts?
I'm prepared for Anonyy to call me out
Some people feel temporarily better while on a vegetarian diet.
Maybe they use lots of good alternatives.
But most will end up with far too many carbs.
80-10-10 will fucking destroy your teeth.. I've seen some of the big YouTube 80-10-10's admit their teeth aren't great.
Yo Stefan,
I'm going to have call you out first I'm afraid.
I'll address some of your earlier arguments agains the list I spoke of who recovered --> JoeBuchignagi may have eaten that shrimp & rice diet for an age. He did fully recover in the end and can eat what he wants now. Sergio (I too have spoken with him on facebook) is pretty much as close to fully recovered as you get. He says greasy foods in high volume gives him problems from time to time but that's it as far as I'm aware. Not really much of a problem if you ask me.
I've noticed another thing and this is not intended to be malicious or insulting simply an observation, you seem to have ADHD in regards to treatments. You seem to try everything for a month or less. Whether it be anti-depressents, vegetarian etc etc. Even Accutane a potent chemotherapy drug requires a course of 6 months usually at minimum. So you can't really expect anything to really do much in less than a month, hell some people even say their acne gets worse in the first few weeks of 'tane.
For example I've followed the rules of the specific carbohydrate diet for about 18 months now. The day I started this diet, I would be what felt like emptying my guts out into the toilet before lying in the foetal position for an hour or two if I ate the wrong food. After a month, there was a very minute improvement. After 3 months a slightly bigger improvement and so forth. 18 months later and I can usually get away with eating poor for about 4-5 days before I get some minor problems such as mild bloating. Gone are the days of thinking my lungs just passed through my a-hole.
Also just to counteract what you said about fruit - carbs wise 95% I eat is probably from fruit. The rest is maybe from cheat meals or starchy veg. Done that for 18 months. Fructose in fruit doesn't stimulate insulin the same way as regular carbs which is generally broken into glucose. Thus hypoglycaemia isn't really such an issue (obviously there are limits). Some do argue that as due to fructose having to pass through the liver for metabolisation and only a certain amount can be processed per day (some estimate as little as 50g) and anything you eat over that is converted to fat. If you've seen my facebook page, bodyfat is something I barely possess. Furthermore fructose is predominantly absorbed prior to the small intestine where the bacteria are, thus fructose does not feed the pathological bacteria that many have post-'tane. And although this is only me, I eat about the equivalent of 15-20 pieces of fruit a day and my teeth are fine (dentist clarified).
In regards to undereating. Your metabolism is malleable. Studies done on Olympic wrestlers who cut up to 40lb's in a month and some do 30lb's in 48 hours. Don't believe me, here's Thiago Alves gaining 27.6lb's in 3 hours (Carb & H20 replenishment, not muscle).
Some of these guys do these cuts multiple times per week. Yes, there metabolism is lowered. But it's found in retired wrestlers there metabolism returns to normal within 6 months. These are guys that having been doing some serious undereating sometimes for up to 30 years.
Another note personally doing a sh*t ton of aerobic exercise at my worst fatigue wise actually helped me quite drastically with my psychological and fatigue symptoms.
Basically my general point is - stop talking in absolutes. Some things work for some and not for others.
In other news I noticed on the propecia website that a user by the name of 'japanther' recovered after following the same diet anonny suggests - raw fruit, veg, nuts and seeds. CDnuts also posts under that thread saying he did the same and found it beneficial. I PERSONALLY still don't get how this is more helpful than paleo (anonny I know your argument, so don't worry no need to tell me again 
) but it seems to have helped a few people. Also of note is none of these guys anonny, CDnuts and Japanther noticed huge benefits in the first couple of weeks but rather in a time scale of months. Japanther says it was only after 4 months that he started to improve quickly (this was 3.5 years into his side effects)
Another interesting thing so as not to make myself sound eccentric is there is a thread on propeciahelp.com talking about weed. Several of them found it very helpful for sexual symptoms but also it did not cure them. That's not me backtracking on weed possibly being a treatment, it is simply providing balance.
ANYYYYWAYYYY I'm interested to hear how your diet of meat, eggs & veg goes as that's pretty much a ketogenic paleo diet. It's been said to be useful for autoimmune issues. So report back if you have any benefits!
My experience with THC/CBD- I used/smoked during Accutane treatment and for years after, and it only ever (and still does) make my symptoms and inflammation worse for whatever reason. CBD alone helps with my skin and cognition (after it makes me feel like I have Downs for 2+ days), but continued use makes anxiety (proven somewhere by some study) worse, and stops helping the skin (like most treatments such as antibiotics or anti-inflammatories).
Yo Nick,
It seems very peculiar that the green makes your inflammation worse considering so many people bang on about its anti-inflammatory properties.
Also yes, I don't know how good weed would be for those with anxiety disorders. I can imagine that could lead to some intense paranoia!
Just out of interest do you have any sexual sides? I'm still looking for my null hypothesis in regards to the sexual sides i.e. does it do nothing.
Interesting study just released on cinnamon. Apparently it's been found to 'normalise the levels of neurotransmitters in the brain'. Potentially relavent to taners..
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I understand everyone will have their own opinion on diet, and not everyone is the same... although most of us are in a very similar boat (Titanic).
Realistically, I was probably a lot wrong on suggesting Matt Stone's ideas of eating anything as long as you're getting the calories.
Fact is, though, that if you under-eat (maybe because you think it's healthy, or because you're following a cleanse) you will slow down your metabolism because your body goes into a mode of stress, not knowing if/when it'll get another meal.
This means energy is burnt over a slower period.
It also means you'll cause yourself problems, such as Hypothyroidism (or worsen existing problems).
Eat when you're body tells you to, basically.
But I think eating whatever you want is probably a bad idea.
Rather than try to influence anybody here, I just want to tell you what I intend to eat, and why.
Vegetarian diet (for those that knew I was on one) was just a bad idea, however much I'd rather spare the animal kingdom.
We really did evolve on meat, although a lot of the meat available today isn't naturally produced, as we know.
Fruit, though, would have only been available during seasons...
Most of the time, our ancestors would have to hunt to survive, whether they wanted to kill or not.
Life's pretty fucking cruel really, isn't it?
Another thing that I see cropping up repeatedly is copper toxicity.
I once made a video, around 2 years ago I think.... and it was about someone who'd taken Propecia (Sure, not Accutane, but the side effects couldn't be MORE similar). This guy healed himself when he got a hair mineral analysis test which pointed out he had stupidly high copper levels.
Vegetarian diets are naturally high in copper because they are low in zinc.
To eat protein, people have to eat soy, peanut butter, beans... stuff like that. Or, a shit ton of Kale/spinach (which isn't something your body wants in high volume... Trust your taste buds on this one). Those foods will also likely cause too much estrogen in the body.
To summarise, this guy ended up getting better over several months by eating protein with each meal (mainly meat/eggs).
He also took a thyroid/adrenal glandular supplement.
The zinc (in meat, mostly) helps to counteract the copper toxicity and, over time, reduces it.
I know it sounds a little crazy to think copper could cause so many problems, but it is related to chronic fatigue, brain fog, anxiety... all kinds.
When copper builds up in the liver, in then ends up leaching onto the brain.
Jumping from diet to diet can have a negative effect on your body.
I recently had a message from a girl who took Accutane.
She had a hair mineral analysis and, again, high copper.
Idea is to eat Meat, eggs and vegetables... Not a lot else, though a treat from time to time will be okay.
Another guy messaged me a few months back on YouTube and said he had been advised to have protein often, with each meal.
All I know is, over the time of eating a lot of fruit (something I've always done and enjoyed), I've gotten worse.
A big problem for most of us is hypoglycemia.
Complex carbs and protein, while reducing simple carbs (including FRUIT) seems to be the solution for this.
I know that is seems crazy to reduce/eliminate fruit, but for a lot of us suffering from copper toxicity and digestive problems, fruit ferments and worsens bacteria overgrowth in the small intestine. Fruit in general will raise the blood sugar too fast. For hunters in the years prior, who walked and ran everywhere... this wasn't a big problem, because they quickly used it up. But, again, they would not have had access to this all year round (unless you'd rather believe in Adam and Eve).
Not all fruit is advised against in the diet to eliminate copper, but either way... you should reduce it.
(Mainly because of hypoglycemia)
The fruits you can still enjoy in small quantities is the berries.
Good for antioxidants, but low on the glycemic index.
Strawberries, blueberries... etc.
Either way, and again - not telling you what to do - mainly eat from high quality meat sources, with lots of vegetables (starchy veg, i.e. potato, isn't recommended for the most part).
This isn't to say that everything I've mentioned on Anxiety is suddenly irrelevant.
Added mental and emotional stress will fuck you up.
So, deal with it as best as possible.
Let go of worry as much as you can and rest - Joining a gym when you're fatigued will make you much worse.
Walking and light activity is good though.
Resources:
- A post I wrote and got a reply regarding the guy who recovered: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1990077
- Book I'm using in regards to advise for chronic fatigue syndrome (which includes stuff like adrenal fatigue, which I've been diagnosed with and which most of you likely have too): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diagnosis-Treatment-Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-ebook/dp/B00IC93WJM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405156882&sr=8-1&keywords=chronic+fatigue+syndrome
Thoughts?
I'm prepared for Anonyy to call me out
Some people feel temporarily better while on a vegetarian diet.
Maybe they use lots of good alternatives.
But most will end up with far too many carbs.
80-10-10 will fucking destroy your teeth.. I've seen some of the big YouTube 80-10-10's admit their teeth aren't great.
LOL. Are you specialized in disinformation? I've seen a lot of misinformed people but you beat all records, clearly. Thanks you for making me laugh but it's not as funny for others who will potentially believe those highly toxic recommandation. Saying fruits is toxic & meat + grains the best food, wtf man, who brainwashed you? you are clearly living (surviving) on stimulation, no chance for regeneration.
I understand everyone will have their own opinion on diet, and not everyone is the same... although most of us are in a very similar boat (Titanic).
Realistically, I was probably a lot wrong on suggesting Matt Stone's ideas of eating anything as long as you're getting the calories.
Fact is, though, that if you under-eat (maybe because you think it's healthy, or because you're following a cleanse) you will slow down your metabolism because your body goes into a mode of stress, not knowing if/when it'll get another meal.
This means energy is burnt over a slower period.
It also means you'll cause yourself problems, such as Hypothyroidism (or worsen existing problems).
Eat when you're body tells you to, basically.
But I think eating whatever you want is probably a bad idea.
Rather than try to influence anybody here, I just want to tell you what I intend to eat, and why.
Vegetarian diet (for those that knew I was on one) was just a bad idea, however much I'd rather spare the animal kingdom.
We really did evolve on meat, although a lot of the meat available today isn't naturally produced, as we know.
Fruit, though, would have only been available during seasons...
Most of the time, our ancestors would have to hunt to survive, whether they wanted to kill or not.
Life's pretty fucking cruel really, isn't it?
Another thing that I see cropping up repeatedly is copper toxicity.
I once made a video, around 2 years ago I think.... and it was about someone who'd taken Propecia (Sure, not Accutane, but the side effects couldn't be MORE similar). This guy healed himself when he got a hair mineral analysis test which pointed out he had stupidly high copper levels.
Vegetarian diets are naturally high in copper because they are low in zinc.
To eat protein, people have to eat soy, peanut butter, beans... stuff like that. Or, a shit ton of Kale/spinach (which isn't something your body wants in high volume... Trust your taste buds on this one). Those foods will also likely cause too much estrogen in the body.
To summarise, this guy ended up getting better over several months by eating protein with each meal (mainly meat/eggs).
He also took a thyroid/adrenal glandular supplement.
The zinc (in meat, mostly) helps to counteract the copper toxicity and, over time, reduces it.
I know it sounds a little crazy to think copper could cause so many problems, but it is related to chronic fatigue, brain fog, anxiety... all kinds.
When copper builds up in the liver, in then ends up leaching onto the brain.
Jumping from diet to diet can have a negative effect on your body.
I recently had a message from a girl who took Accutane.
She had a hair mineral analysis and, again, high copper.
Idea is to eat Meat, eggs and vegetables... Not a lot else, though a treat from time to time will be okay.
Another guy messaged me a few months back on YouTube and said he had been advised to have protein often, with each meal.
All I know is, over the time of eating a lot of fruit (something I've always done and enjoyed), I've gotten worse.
A big problem for most of us is hypoglycemia.
Complex carbs and protein, while reducing simple carbs (including FRUIT) seems to be the solution for this.
I know that is seems crazy to reduce/eliminate fruit, but for a lot of us suffering from copper toxicity and digestive problems, fruit ferments and worsens bacteria overgrowth in the small intestine. Fruit in general will raise the blood sugar too fast. For hunters in the years prior, who walked and ran everywhere... this wasn't a big problem, because they quickly used it up. But, again, they would not have had access to this all year round (unless you'd rather believe in Adam and Eve).
Not all fruit is advised against in the diet to eliminate copper, but either way... you should reduce it.
(Mainly because of hypoglycemia)
The fruits you can still enjoy in small quantities is the berries.
Good for antioxidants, but low on the glycemic index.
Strawberries, blueberries... etc.
Either way, and again - not telling you what to do - mainly eat from high quality meat sources, with lots of vegetables (starchy veg, i.e. potato, isn't recommended for the most part).
This isn't to say that everything I've mentioned on Anxiety is suddenly irrelevant.
Added mental and emotional stress will fuck you up.
So, deal with it as best as possible.
Let go of worry as much as you can and rest - Joining a gym when you're fatigued will make you much worse.
Walking and light activity is good though.
Resources:
- A post I wrote and got a reply regarding the guy who recovered: http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1990077
- Book I'm using in regards to advise for chronic fatigue syndrome (which includes stuff like adrenal fatigue, which I've been diagnosed with and which most of you likely have too): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Diagnosis-Treatment-Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome-ebook/dp/B00IC93WJM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405156882&sr=8-1&keywords=chronic+fatigue+syndrome
Thoughts?
I'm prepared for Anonyy to call me out
Some people feel temporarily better while on a vegetarian diet.
Maybe they use lots of good alternatives.
But most will end up with far too many carbs.
80-10-10 will fucking destroy your teeth.. I've seen some of the big YouTube 80-10-10's admit their teeth aren't great.
LOL. Are you specialized in disinformation? I've seen a lot of misinformed people but you beat all records, clearly. Thanks you for making me laugh but it's not as funny for others who will potentially believe those highly toxic recommandation. Saying fruits is toxic & meat + grains the best food, wtf man, who brainwashed you? you are clearly living (surviving) on stimulation, no chance for regeneration.
Asswipe, I didn't say fruit is toxic.
I also didn't say grains were the best food.
But until you're healthy, you don't know shit... so you can't say anything, and you know it.
Go eat a carrot and try not to choke.
I'm healthy kid x)
You tell so much bullshit that you don't even know what you said yourself. "fruits contain copper, better eat grains", you are so funny, really. Maybe tomorrow you will say the 600 pound muscle gorilla should eat meat cause he's protein deficient, please make us laugh.
You're not a gorilla though, you're a moron.
You edit every small paragraph you write because you've got no communication skills.
You misquote people and think you're funny, but you're not.
If you were, maybe you'd have some friends.
You think you know everything.
Go live off bananas and see what happens.
Prediction: Major nutritional deficiencies.
But hey, you're a dipship who's not worth my time.
When I do get better, I won't tell you about it.
Good luck, twat.
We argue about health here, not communication skills or other personal things, you are really a kid.
No we are not gorilla, but we have the exact same digestive system, maybe we need more fatty acids cause we have a bigger brain but apart from that, we have the same physiology.
Cause you think that eating food who contain more toxins/acids than nutrition (cooked food i presume, meat, grains, ..) who contain low nutrients cause detroyed by heat are more nutritious than raw/steamed fruits & vegetables?
Stay ignorant i don't really care, what bother me is you preach your bullshit like you know everything.
I don't care about your time, you should use it to learn instead of preaching your own ignorance and deceipts, like that i won't be forced to "fix" them.
I am in agreement with anonyy.
IndigoRush you seem to know a little bit of information on so many subjects but have nothing solid to create a strong standpoint on any one thing. Its really frustrating to see you trying to convince people about what you think is correct even though you may have not put anything anyone else has said to the test. You just go on your youtube channel and on here and try to preach whatever article you have just read. Probably why your still unhealthy really, do your research, stick to something for more than 3 months and then move on...ffs.
Due to this forum not really coming up with much new I went back and looked through the propeciahelp.com forum again to see if much else has been happening. I only spent a few hours last night and this morning, but I have have found some interesting things. Of note, if anyone wants to find this themselves just start reading through CDnuts recovery thread.
CDnuts himself did several months of what I'll call 'raw paleo-vegan', anonny calls 'frugivore diet' and others call 'raw vegan'. The general premise is as anyone who has read since anonny has joined is as simple as: raw fruits, vegetables, nuts & seeds. No more, no less.
CDnuts followed this alongside several fasts. Interestingly, CDnuts (who has fully recovered from post-finasteride syndrome (PFS) after 7 years) actually proclaimed raw vegan "too cleansing". He later clarifies and says it was basically overkill on cleansing and thought a single 2 week fast would be an adequate replacement. He then followed a strict paleo diet and found about 2 years later he fully fully recovered. He also used a few testosterone (T) boosting supplements and trained hard with exercises that provided most bang for your buck in terms of T gains (Deadlifts, Squats, HIIT).
Anywayyy most of you should already know that. However, I read through that thread and a few people started following similar protocols. 'elb' and 'bizzbee333' were two that seemed most disciplined. elb actually followed the raw P-V diet for a few months and said he had noticed large improvements. That was back in middle of 2013. I went on his profile to see how he was doing today, it looks like he is about 90%+ recovered. At some point it looked like he switched over to paleo. Of note though he also used 'progesterone' for 2 months and said that helped. Bizzbee333 followed CDnuts protocol pretty strict I think and it looks like he's doing very well today too.
There is actually another recovery thread by the name of 'Japanther' he followed a raw P-V diet and he recovered in roughly a year. Of note, he didn't notice any improvements in the first 4 months. Also he had been suffering with sides for 3.5 years before he started this diet.
So for any of those with the mental fortitude I would suggest perhaps this a route some of us should try. Whether it be raw P-V, fasting or strict paleo. Not for 1 week, nor 1 month but perhaps minimum 3 months but as can be seen by Japanther perhaps even longer.
I'll now also give a little personal account of my experience with raw P-V. Anyone who has read this thread from about page 200 onwards has seen I have bickered with anonny ad nauseam. I personally thought this diet was BS. So I thought if I tried it and it actually worked that would be something substantial considering I had a negative bias towards it.
Before my exams back in May, I followed this diet for 3 weeks. I also vaped each night. During this time I believe some genital sensitivity returned. At the time I put it down to the cumulative effects of vaping. However, when exams began I stopped the diet and vaping for 3 weeks. During this time the little sensitivity I regained disappeared. I put it down to stopping vaping at the time. However since June 6th I've been vaping again and not following raw P-V, the sensitivity has not returned.
Therefore, there may something to this diet beyond what my conscience deems credible that may have a positive effect. So in that vein I have restarted the raw P-V diet and plan to for at least 3 months if not longer. I won't be able to stick 100% to it I imagine as I'm off on holiday on the 25th and gone for 4 weeks, but will try nonetheless.
So, Joseph is cured is then. Joseph is a way undervalued, peripheral-clinging Renaissance man, who sadly couldn't get himself some respite if he marinated himself in an easy-to-follow shrimp and kale sauce overnight. He has proved this ad nauseam. This is not a call-out hombre. I am all for rhetoric, but enough lies.
What are you pertaining to here? I can't decipher whether the first sentence is sarcasm or not, are you saying Joe is cured or not?
I spoke with him a month or two back and he's doing fine these days without problems.
Feel free to question my intellect for not understanding.
Yea that was i was saying since the beggining, diet change is an absolute necessity (do no more harm) but not enough, some more cleansing techniques are required like fasting, kidneys cleanses, liver flush, juicing recipe, herbs, etc..
I don't know how much meat paleo diet advice to eat but as this diet eliminate the top 5 poisons (processed foods, dairy, grains, legumes, processed oil) it's logical that the diet work for most people. Meat isn't that bad compared to those, but only in low amount (and raw if possible), never more than 110grams every 2 days i'll say by experience (and that we can't digest more than 110 grams at once). I choosed not to eat meat because of what animals endure and because we don't need meat to live, we are even better without it. And i think that even at those amount (110 grams), the indigestibility of meat is enough to block detoxification process. We can't eat meat if we want to get truely better, some are strong enough to but personally i coudn't with it.
Hello everybody,
First of all, I would like to express my sincere thanks for all the information that you have shared because it will be very helpful for the rest of people who has been affected by isotretinoine. I would like to send you my support to everyone who is suffering long term side effects. I'm sure that we'll find a way to get out of this hell. Isotretinoine is poison and should be immediately banned.
I don't have any solution for healing our side effects but I would like to expose my situation. I had a non-serious acne problem in my back and 6 years ago my dermatologist suggested me to take isotretinoine. At that moment I enjoyed a healthy body and was running and making sports regularly. When I started taking this drug I got a little pain in my both Aquiles immediately. I stopped running while I took the drug. I can't remember how long I took it, but I guess it longed about 1 year 20mg every day. My aquiles joint pain never went off and I have done all kind of therapy since then. As this joint pain was my only symptom I didn't relate it with the drug because all doctors told me that there was no relationship. However a couple of years ago I started to suffer pain in my lower back. I have done all kind of test and doctors can't say what's wrong with it, but they discovered that my intervertebral discs are extremely dry. They say that this dryness is not normal in a 37 years old guy. Since then I have realized therapy in my back with osteopathy, chiropractic and fisiotherapy. Every single day I have done exercises and the pain hasn't decreased, it even has increased significantly. Some months ago I started to suffer joint pain in my elbows. Doctors still say that these problems are not related and it is due to the fact that my muscles are not flexible enough. Then I started to investigate and discovered lot of people in internet that is expericieng the same joint issues because of this damned drug. From now on, I won't listen any doctor who deny the side effects of this drug and I will concentrate to investigate how to repair the long term side effects of isotretinoine.
I have read part of this thread, but it is so huge that it's difficullt to get final solutions. That's why I would like to send some questions to the people that have suffered joint pain:
1. This thread started in 2011. Since then, has anybody reduced or totally removed the joint pain caused by isotretinoine or nobody has found any solution yet?
2. If nobody has found a solution yet, the joint pain is stable or it is getting worse every year like a degenerative disease?
Thank you very much and good luck to everyone.
Xavier.
No, on the contrary, I sympathize as I have been doing a lot of hard roasting and vaping too. By "hard roasting," I mean dark roasting coffee beans. Joseph's bedpan doesn't believe you vis-a-vis his recovery. A rhetorician inebriated with his own loquaciousness doesn't pass up the chance to blow his own clarinet. We have come full circle.
Fair play, I had a look back and it seems JB may be at the same stage I am i.e. he can stray from his diet but within a few days he starts to hit reverse. Wonder if he's making progress or if it has all stalled.
Any improvements from vaping & what are the sides? Out of interest what do you expect coffee to do? I have not seen anyone mention coffee as useful. As much as I love it, it does me no good.
And seriously Monn, what's with the grandiosity and riddles? Are you an aspiring Shakespearian?
I think the comments made against me are completely fair, and pretty accurate.
I am known for jumping from different ideas, perhaps a little hastily.
Mainly this is because I read something that contradicts what I'd believed to be true....
But hey - we're all in the same boat, so we shouldn't hold each other as 'the enemy'.
We just want our health back, and we deserve it.
The morning I've felt the best I have in ages.
I go back to work tomorrow after having been off for 3 weeks with depression/stress.
Yesterday morning I felt awful, after having breakfast (2 boiled eggs and some toast, cut into soldiers because I'm still a big kid).
Today I've filmed some stuff for my YouTube channel (Which required little editing and I'm really happy with) which I'll upload this week.
All before having anything to eat.
It's now 1am and I've just had a small apple.
My appetite is pretty low currently. I figure, should I really eat when my body is telling me 'Nar, I'm good mate. Save it for later'.
I'm reading an interesting book at the moment called 'The Blue Zones'.
It's about conversations with people in small cultures around the World (i.e. Sardinia in Italy) which are known for their high rates of longevity.
The author goes on a travel, with doctors and people to help conclude something from what they learn, and speaks to people who are over 100 and still able to function well.
So far, all I can say is that these people seem to all have a sense of community and connection - something I feel is missing over in our modern cultures - and purpose.
In Italy, the people who are well and healthy is their old age don't seem to do anything special.
They eat wholegrain bread and cheese... some meat. Drink red wine every day. They walk a lot (5 miles a day on average).
Again, stress is very important. If they didn't have a good lifestyle in place, they'd likely not be well, or alive still.
A place in Japan is next in the book, and the lady who still functions at 102 (and runs a church) grows most of her own food and eats only a small amount.
She has mainly vegetables, tofu, turmeric, soup.. stuff like that.
I'm not saying I'm now going on another week adventure or taking turmeric...
Point is, these people live by tradition. They don't go to McDonalds and sip Cokes.
The other 5 places that will come up in the book next... I don't expect the people are eating much junk food.
You can argue dairy is bad... bread is bad... some will argue points to support these foods for health.
But as long as you're not living on packaged crap... And eat naturally, I think you lay the ground for health, in terms of diet.
These cultures don't sit indoors typing on computers for their jobs either... Nature is obviously something to be respected and enjoyed.
At the same time, there is a line between eating healthy and becoming obsessed with curing yourself with food.
If you ate a cookie from time to time, what harm is it going to do? If you don't want a cookie and find it easy to avoid those foods, that's good. But for those on diets who restrict foods and say 'I'm not allowed that', they'll cause themselves to feel stressed out.
The people that live on those bad foods every day are more likely to experience negative effects.
A lot us in this forum are centering our whole life and values around health.
We don't pay enough attention to those around us and other areas of our life and bound to fail - Relationships, work... etc.
I'd like to live by example, rather than just talk the talk and I know it can be hard when the odds are stacked against you, but my advice is to learn what's healthy and what isn't... and then end it at that. I personally have a lot of interest in Nutrition, and if food were to help me get well again (alongside stress-reduction and lifestyle changes) I'd love nothing more than to become a nutritionist or work in the health field.
But I expect we've all read a lot of conflicting information and been in that state of 'Oh-my-fucking-gawd... I don't know what's healthy and what's not now. Maybe I'll just eat some dust'.
Keeping a food diary is likely a good idea for most here, unless you want to fork out a test for allergies to food (not some bullshit hair mineral analysis, but a proper blood test to check immune responses). Or, just eat what you know you don't feel bad from.. Veggies - safe. Meat - I've lost the taste for it mostly (mainly because of what the animals go through), but will eat a couple of times a week as I believe my body needs it.
Setting yourself some goals is really important so that you always have something to aim towards and a purpose when you get out of bed in the morning.
If you're already eating healthily, but still seek out a more 'perfect diet', I'd advise you take a closer look at your lifestyle and ability to handle stress.
Fact is, if you keep getting stressed you will be exhausting yourself and your body will not be able to heal, no matter what you put down your throat.
It goes without saying that eating while stressed is a terrible idea.
Food is a blessing and should be treated as one.
So many people (who've not had to worry about their health YET) just eat on the go, while watching TV... forking it in without hardly any awareness that they're eating. Genuine gratitude and happy thoughts are the things that calm you and help your immune system stay strong (or get strong).