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After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.
Why?
For two reasons, I believe.
You're best chance of recovery is rest.
A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.
Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.
Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.
Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.
Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.
You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.
You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.
A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.
daniel80,
I don't think anythings really permanent. Of course I will never be the person that I would have been if I hadn't taken accutane, but thats someone I will never know.
As for documenting it. I started my own personal diary at the start of my course noting down all my symptoms and general emotions. Which I'm real glad I did as looking back now I can see how naive i was going into the course and it just further establishes how damaging accutane was to me.
First of all before this I can remember things very vividly as it was my first year of uni and my first year out of school.
I was always skateboarding around, doing dumb shit with friends, lightning things on fire etc haha, just standard stuff for my age. I like to think Im reasonably funny as well.
After accutane I lost some of my best friends and I didnt know why.
I forgot what was funny because I was so anxious I thought people were going to judge me on what I said and how i was acting. Before accutane I didnt give a fuck, which is probably why i sucked at school so much haha.
anyway, I developed a reallllllly bad stutter exactly when i stopped accutane and people just thought i was an emotional wreck, which i was I guess, lul
that lead to me failing a lot of uni course, tied in with the fact I couldn't concentrate for shit, its hard to describe but it felt like someone was squeesing softly on my temples.
Ive always just gone 'meh' when I am unhealthy and keep on keeping on, which was bad as it took me ages to realise that my gums were bleeding consistently to the point where like you know how you can do those massive spits when you work on building saliva for like ten seconds, it was like that with blood for me, yeah fucked up right..
throught out my diary, i noticed changes in my written mood, it was always depressing and it always seemed I was writing about the world being shit and hating life.
I used to write jokes at the beginning as my own little way to get around writing emotions and stuff. that stopped after a month or so.
Oh yeah, before accutane I was horny as anything, always going after girls i probably came off looking like a manslut but yeah my balls were defiantly in operation.
after accutane I didnt feel the need to, going after girls didnt interest me. Actually it was more like I never really thought to do it. I was conscious about that aspect of life.
So yeah, I have so much more info I cant be bothered to type it all right now.
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But my conclusion / direction forward thus far is this:
- I and perhaps you (or perhaps you and I have genetically weak livers) have had a terrible diet from birth to accutane which has lead to it not being completely useless. But functioning no way close to how a proper liver should function. I personally back this up by the absolute shit ton of sugar I eat during my youth. Im good with convincing people and I remember getting my parents to buy me something sugary whenever I had the chance. My dad also eat really bad all his life so i guess I mimicked him?
I also took accutane when I was 18, which meant I was drinking pretty much every weekend, smoking cigarettes and generally not doing anything for my health.
A lot of people during that period of their life probably go through the same thing. your liver is probably in its worst state of health during that time but having accutane is just the worst worst worst thing that could happen while your abusing your liver, or have over the years moderatly abused it.
- You may have like me, had a crap doctor, who gave you the stuff without checking what your liver was like. Or it was just hard to see at the time that your liver was sluggish and not in optimal health
- Once accutane gets dumped on the liver sure the liver can handle it for awhile but sooner or later it gives up and is like nah fuck ya. AT this point ( and what user Chico Esposito ) has consistently mentioned is that the body does the only thing it knows how to protect the liver and that is by storing all the massive amount of accutane in our fat cells. The acne that you have is cleared up as the accutane just shuts does the glands that produce sebum by force, but at the same time still has all those detrimental side effects that are meant to be flushed out eventually.
- This means all the things everyone has always said about accutane doing, like causing depression and all that shit is still happening as its just totally flooded the body now. Instead of being flushed down the toilet.
- This is just a theory I thought off but fat cells are probably burned more later on as the bodies energy levels ease off after puberty and it stops getting its energy from direct sources like sugar and shit. We learn to eat healthier and phase that stuff out. Maybe the body cant get the (right?) energy it needs from just a healthy diet so it burns the fat cells where the accutane still is and yeah makes stuff worse later on? I remember craving sugar like crazy after accutane, like worse than before maybe because my body knew or I knew subconsciously that burning my normal energy supplies made me feel super shit. at the same time your liver is fucked and cant do anything about getting the accutane out of you so its just a vicious cycle.
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Where to go now with this theory
Cleanses
- Perhaps my liver does actually have accutane in it, perhaps a relatively large portion of accutane is stored somewhere in there, and is just not being able to get out. This is why I am going down the liver flush route. ManitobaMountain (a user here) put up a pretty convincing video that he has more or less got rid of the majority of symptoms that have plagged him over the last few years. Yeah the whole idea seems stupid drinking oil but would this guy really bother making a video if he wasnt that convinced by it. Plus theres heaps of other testimonials on youtube with people saying it restored there health so fuck it why not? Seems really dumb and foolish not to try it.
----- I have done one so far, I can genuinely say after looking up where my liver was and then doing the drink thing and lying down heard my liver make some weird
noises and make some weird movements. The day after I felt really good, although it lasted for only a few days. After that my lips began to crack and I got eye floaters
and some of the previous symptoms I remember having way back on accutane. ( i think the accutane got spit out a little but moving it just brought back its evilness.
- Nutrional Balacing
Im not totally 100 per cent on this, I did it for a few months and at the time didnt really see results. however looking back during that time I remember my libido going up, skin clearing and wanting to read more and wanting to learn more. My skin was clear as well so I think it was probably moderatly good at getting rid of accutane from my system.
However right now the focus for me anyway is trying to dump as much accutane out of me as possible before going back to this, I think it will work a lot better on later on down the track. Anyway the guy that I saw was Alex Tuggle. He uses hair mineral analysis testing from the lab where this dude called Dr. L Wilson (has a website check it out) advocates how essential nutrional balancing is for optimal health. Alex got me on a zeolite spray which Ive seen been talked about here so maybe its got the right idea?
Diet
I think what Chico said about minimizing foods containing the primary from of what accutane (vitamin a) is, being retinoic acid is pretty essential.
I remember early this year I started full time work, I didnt have time for a good breakfast I just eat cereal instead. Then because eating cereal is easy as shit, and its compliments watching tv and playing computer games i eat it after work haha. My acne broke out real bad. My skin was so oily i had to wipe it with tissues at work. haha gross. I had no idea why as well. Because I was craving all these sugary foods like cereal and stuff I thought I had candida, which maybe I did/do (never really found out) I went on a strict candida diet which basically eliminated all sugars (simple carbs and complex) This meant not drinking milk. And my acne cleared up soooo good. I dont know if that was down to the milk but im pretty sure! Theres more info I need to read on what manitobamountain said about a certrain carb diet so yeah im not 100 percent sure on diet yet, still in the making. I think a good healthy diet is crucial to someone wanting to have enegry and be healthy and all that shit. In regards to accutane just eating healthy isnt the cure, its a decent part for sure, but its a small part when your not making sure you're eating things that will trigger the accutane.
State of MInd
Yeah this is indeed very important, you have to be thinking straight in order to cure yourself. I believe accutane alters your state of mind and you forget how to think, per se, in terms of what could be beneficial and how to go out getting things done in a methodical and systematic way. Instead you look at the negatives before the positives and think with emotions before logic. Its hard to alter you head to think like this post accutane but I really dont think just coasting a trying to live stress free or whatever is going to do anything. Science and pill taking routine got you into this and science and methodical steps will get you out. Things take time. Dont buy into taking some random Peruvian tree for 1 week and then meditating for 3 days sort of shit. I personally think anything under a month is bullshit and doesn't do anything. You dont get super muscly by going to the gym for a month, it just doesnt make sinse. Over-complicating things is the easiest way to make people feel like they need to do something or have something. All that being said, if you know your in a bad place then yeah, it makes sense to improve on that, defiantly do it. Tell tale signs would be something like how often you laugh at stuff, make jokes with people (like running jokes with mates) what kind of music you listen to. I find these traits to be plentiful in healthy people. A healthy body is a healthy mind. I for one am pretty happy right now which makes it easy to say and do stuff in regards to getting better, So I am biased here. Things that you may not want to do but really really do help are, surround yourself with cool, happy people, that you may not have to get to attached, I find once you start getting attatched you tend to dump your problems on them in subtle ways which is counter productive. Having a hobby which involves doing fun shit for a short period of time which a decent group of like minded people will force your brain to mimic the culture thats needed for the functioning of that group.
These are all my own ideas, accumulated in my head from reading thousands of forum posts over the years and just trying to draw to a logical conlcusion.
No two people are the same. I took a different dose to other people and have had different factors lead up to what I think caused accutane to posion me. You could be the complete opposite. I have no idea. This is just my reasoning. as a rule of thumb I suggest people should think long and hard about everything they did, did before taking accutane, diet, lifestyle, fitness all that stuff before making any advances to doing what they think is the cure to their health at this point.
My sister and my cousin, cousin was exactly the same age and sister 1 year older both took accutane and came out fine. WTF, so yeah this is where I draw my conclusions.
I really do think liver is priority and if your going to do anything focus on that. if you drink alcohol every weekend now, stop, if you smoke, stop. They all just put stress on your liver that it doesnt need. Also anything that is full of toxins like fast food, sugary drinks and sweats (candy) will also put pressure on your liver that it doesnt need.
Anyway, thats all from me.
After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.
Why?
For two reasons, I believe.
You're best chance of recovery is rest.
A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.
Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.
Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.
Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.
Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.
You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.
You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.
A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.
Yo...
Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?
Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.
I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.
My intentions were good.
To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.
Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?
Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.
Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.
Maybe it's made it's way past the border.
I'm not suggesting diet isn't important...
What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over 100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).
Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?
But that didn't happen.
Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...
I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.
It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.
I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.
Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.
Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.
I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.
But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.
That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.
Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.
The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.
If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.
Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.
It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.
I could go on...
Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.
That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.
Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.
Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne..
That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.
Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.
You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.
And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.
If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.
I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.
But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'
Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.
Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.
I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.
Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.
You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.
And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.
Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.
I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.
It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.
But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.
It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.
Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.
Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.
Peace.
yeah man defiantly solid advice. just taking it easy and not really worrying is crucial.
I dont relly care for eating amazing, defiantly not organic. Ive cut out all relatiely shit food but i still eat chocolate and oportos once every while. The stuff is the best.
Since getting off accutane Ive been like that this whole time, nothing really happened. But I think youre right when you say working on anxiety helps. It sure does. I just dont think it helps to the extent that I need it to. Ive always eaten above my daily calorie intake as I go gym a lot and putting on mass has been hard (even harder after accutane). I get a solid 8 hours of sleep a night and have been doing so for the last 5 years I would so, give or take nights out.
I still have eye floaters, my skin isnt great, i still have my stutter, albeit its got better in the last few months. My gums have stopped bleeding which is joyous. I just think if getting into the bizarre routine of taking a pill every day got me into this then trying other weird stuff methodically will get me out.
I, like you and all these other people have their own opinions. All anyone is doing is collecting info on the majority of similar opinions weve heard and put them into practice. AT the end of the day its just all about doing what you think is best, documenting it in this thread ( good job on that indigo by the way) is just a bonus.
I don't care you started the post & you have been 8 year off accutane. You are telling bs i just needed to point that out. Who talk about supplement? you didn't understood anything about hygienism & physiology, that's what i pointed out too. Yea a book for anxiety will help repairing physiologic problems, ofc ofc. Ignorant people who try to misinform others really make me mad, there is already allopathic/official "medicine" to do that, we don't need some more.
Was just wondering if anybody else here has decreased body temperature?
Because i have, been measuring it since my crash a couple of times and it has always been between 35 and 36 degrees C,
like Indigo Rush mentioned above. Before my crash i had normal temperature at 37 and im surely not causing this with some
diet or other stuff.
Not that its very important, or bothering me a lot, im just curious if thats maybe another side effect.
After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.
Why?
For two reasons, I believe.
You're best chance of recovery is rest.
A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.
Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.
Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.
Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.
Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.
You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.
You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.
A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.
Yo...
Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?
Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.
I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.
My intentions were good.
To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.
Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?
Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.
Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.
Maybe it's made it's way past the border.
I'm not suggesting diet isn't important...
What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over 100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).
Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?
But that didn't happen.
Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...
I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.
It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.
I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.
Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.
Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.
I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.
But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.
That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.
Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.
The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.
If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.
Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.
It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.
I could go on...
Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.
That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.
Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.
Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne..
That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.
Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.
You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.
And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.
If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.
I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.
But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'
Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.
Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.
I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.
Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.
You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.
And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.
Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.
I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.
It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.
But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.
It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.
Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.
Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.
Peace.
Accutane affects other people differently than it does others. Basically what you're suggesting is to get over it and enjoy life. I get what you are saying and agree with you, but keep in mind that other people have had far worse experiences on accutane to the point of being contantly in pain.
Brain fog and low sex drive and depression aren't necessarily all caused by the exhaustion of the mind and body. Usually it is and the drugs amplify these issues, but not always. At least that is what I have found with me. Cutting out the unnecessary annoyances in life wherever I could has helped as has finding hobbies and interests that I enjoy doing.
I firmly believe diet greatly impacts the symptoms that one may have, so yeah what you eat is important. For instance, I've become FAR more sensitive to refined sugar, dairy, wheat and anything with a lot of carbs basically. When I cut those out I felt FAR better than I have ever been since shortly after ending my accutanne treatment 12 years ago. I still have chronic dry skin and dry eyes. No amount of water helps so perhaps I simply can't store water very well (let's just say I go to the bathroom after drinking a small amoutn of water).
Now I can live with my symptoms...I imagine things will get worse for me later on though since things have slowly been getting worse over the last 4-5 years. I'm thankful that I don't have ulcerative colitis and that I only have IBS...THAT is something you can't really enjoy life with if you have it (unless you enjoy blowing money on surgeries and spending tons of time out of work).
All of this stuff can be explained away by saying that "it hasn't been proven" or that "not everyone that took Accutane has it", but you gotta really wonder with all the reports that people have about it if it is just a coincidence or not.
At any rate, some people aren't able to enjoy life because of constant pain, multiple trips to the hospital, and just the time and money being spent trying to get back to having a "normal" life. If a person loses too many things at once, then it is nearly impossible to truly enjoy life. Luckily for me, it has been a slow progression and I personally find joy in volunteer work and writing poetry. That is all I need and want and although my joints do bother me at times, I can still write so I am happy.
Just try to be careful what you say because some people could very well take offense to what you are suggesting, especially if they have some of the more "severe" side effects of Accutane. Generalization is a VERY bad thing which will only tick others off which from what I am reading in your post is exactly what you are doing. Again I get what you are saying and I agree with pretty much all of it...just keep in mind though that any medication has a chance of messing you up pretty badly and that sleep and rest won't always cure or even help those that are experiencing side effects from medication in general.
Reporting in.
5 weeks using RSO now.
Total ingested 5 grams.
To be clear, the RSO is still dominating me at this moment. If things are going better/worse, the next week it could be vice versa.
3 months after my last dosage I can give a objective review on side effects.
I started a new job this week which involves a lot of driving so I had to quit the daytime dose because I can't risk having a fuckup with dosing and driving.
What happens is the RSO produces massive amounts of melatonin which is a big healer but also a big sleeper. If someone is ill, the first thing they advise is to take a good night of sleep right ? Imagine having a week of sleep pushed into 1 night.
Also like some already posted, your short term memory is pretty much in standby modus when the RSO is active ( probably its easier to induce sleeping this way ).
If I take a night (big) dose at 8 oclock I feel the melatonin 24 hours and feel quite sleepy the whole 24 hours.
If I dont take a dose, I will get massive amounts of energy, to the point where I want to run over the whole world. I feel like a little boy again playing in the woods with no energy limit. ( maybe to rebound the massive melatonin wearing off ).
The second week there was I point where I got random "new" youth memories. It felt like a door opened to a part of the brain which was locked due to depression.
The moment when I got these memories it felt like synchronizing with my old me, I remembered who I was, I felt empathy again. Instead of black & white I felt colors.
Today I also skipped the daytime dose and I can feel it wearing off when I stop my shift in the afternoon.
I got home and I really really wanted to have sex with my girlfriend. I wanted to touch her body. I am looking for subtle words to explain this. I felt like a Greek god
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I cannot emphasize this enough though: Moments happen, they make me smile but whether its permanent or not I cannot tell at this point, I need to be off RSO for quite some time.
Currently I'm fixing the dosing issue, the key is consistency and tolerance. There comes a point where you ingest 1 gram a day and the only side effect is a good night rest. If I ingest 1 gram at my current tolerance point, I will be in lalaland for some days.
As for ingestion, I read somewhere Rick ( or one of his associates ) said the goal is to get the RSO to the stomach. I put my RSO in a vitamin like capsule and swallow it. About 1 hour later I feel it kicking in and then I can pull 12 - 16 hours of sleep.
I tried different ways of ingestion, but this one is the easiest and most potent for me on top of that it follows the same route as accutane did so it can repair the whole accutane route. Rectal is said to be the most potent because of all the large blood vessels there and direct absorption into the blood.
Recommended is 1 small daytime dose in the morning and a big sleeper for the evening.
All the best,
After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.
Why?
For two reasons, I believe.
You're best chance of recovery is rest.
A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.
Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.
Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.
Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.
Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.
You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.
You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.
A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.
Yo...
Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?
Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.
I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.
My intentions were good.
To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.
Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?
Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.
Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.
Maybe it's made it's way past the border.
I'm not suggesting diet isn't important...
What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over 100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).
Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?
But that didn't happen.
Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...
I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.
It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.
I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.
Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.
Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.
I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.
But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.
That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.
Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.
The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.
If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.
Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.
It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.
I could go on...
Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.
That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.
Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.
Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne..
That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.
Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.
You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.
And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.
If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.
I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.
But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'
Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.
Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.
I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.
Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.
You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.
And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.
Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.
I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.
It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.
But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.
It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.
Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.
Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.
Peace.
Accutane affects other people differently than it does others. Basically what you're suggesting is to get over it and enjoy life. I get what you are saying and agree with you, but keep in mind that other people have had far worse experiences on accutane to the point of being contantly in pain.
Brain fog and low sex drive and depression aren't necessarily all caused by the exhaustion of the mind and body. Usually it is and the drugs amplify these issues, but not always. At least that is what I have found with me. Cutting out the unnecessary annoyances in life wherever I could has helped as has finding hobbies and interests that I enjoy doing.
I firmly believe diet greatly impacts the symptoms that one may have, so yeah what you eat is important. For instance, I've become FAR more sensitive to refined sugar, dairy, wheat and anything with a lot of carbs basically. When I cut those out I felt FAR better than I have ever been since shortly after ending my accutanne treatment 12 years ago. I still have chronic dry skin and dry eyes. No amount of water helps so perhaps I simply can't store water very well (let's just say I go to the bathroom after drinking a small amoutn of water).
Now I can live with my symptoms...I imagine things will get worse for me later on though since things have slowly been getting worse over the last 4-5 years. I'm thankful that I don't have ulcerative colitis and that I only have IBS...THAT is something you can't really enjoy life with if you have it (unless you enjoy blowing money on surgeries and spending tons of time out of work).
All of this stuff can be explained away by saying that "it hasn't been proven" or that "not everyone that took Accutane has it", but you gotta really wonder with all the reports that people have about it if it is just a coincidence or not.
At any rate, some people aren't able to enjoy life because of constant pain, multiple trips to the hospital, and just the time and money being spent trying to get back to having a "normal" life. If a person loses too many things at once, then it is nearly impossible to truly enjoy life. Luckily for me, it has been a slow progression and I personally find joy in volunteer work and writing poetry. That is all I need and want and although my joints do bother me at times, I can still write so I am happy.
Just try to be careful what you say because some people could very well take offense to what you are suggesting, especially if they have some of the more "severe" side effects of Accutane. Generalization is a VERY bad thing which will only tick others off which from what I am reading in your post is exactly what you are doing. Again I get what you are saying and I agree with pretty much all of it...just keep in mind though that any medication has a chance of messing you up pretty badly and that sleep and rest won't always cure or even help those that are experiencing side effects from medication in general.
Thanks for the reply.
I agree a lot with what you've said.
Although I definitely suffered very badly with the effects of this drug, everyone is different and some many have more issues that me.
I suppose my message was aimed at those who can relate to it.
It's an odd scenario because it's very easy to start blaming every problem in your life on 'that sodding drug I took ____ months/years ago'.
For me personally, the eye floaters and sexual dysfunction began a few years after coming off the drug.
If Accutane caused those problems, I'd like to know how...
My main point isn't in ignoring problems and just accepting them, because I think that would be very hard to do for anyone... for the rest of their lives.
However, I realised that back when I was at college (age 17-18) I didn't struggle to get out of bed and think clearly like I do now.
Things like dry eyes ... Annoying as hell, but I tried so many things for that alone and realised I was fighting a losing battle.
I think Life is too short to waste away searching over and over for an answer to something like that.
Now... I don't use any eye drops or anything. My eyes are dry upon wakening and can feel bad at times, but overall... I'm better than when I used drops etc.
I believe the reason I'm so tired now is pure anxiety and stress. A lot, un-intendedly, self-inflicted.
Bad things happen to everyone. Y'all have likely realised nobody really has it easy.
I mean, look at us. We had acne and then we end up with all these problems...
A bit of perspective can be healthy though.
I watched embarrassing bodies on TV last night (a show in the UK). I'll tell ya... that show will make you feel lucky.
The only goal in all of this, though, is to be happy and content. At peace...
I understand many people on this forum will state that's impossible. I was one of them.
If you look back at some of my posts, I'm sure you can see what kind of state I was in.
But I look back at the years of my life with some regret.
I've lost friends... partly because I was so lost in my own world with it's problems. Partly because those friends didn't make an effort...
But I think 'Wow... All the things I could have done... I've not really done much'.
Anxiety and low mood have held me back for so long.
Without going on and repeating myself my only points are these:
- You have to know when it's time to stop waiting around for a pill/supplement/diet to cure you. Don't put your life on hold and say you'll do things when 'you're better'.
- Stress can cause pretty much any problem. You've taken the drug now and there's nothing you can do to change that. Be reasonable. Sure... it's a fucking terrible drug (for some) and I'd never touch it again.... but is it really the cause of every problem in your life now?
- Anxiety could have been triggered by this drug. I've read of people who's anxiety came on after using drugs (like Marijuana). The answer is the same. You have to heal it mentally and over time. The key is to accept that you're anxious and will be for a while, because it's been going on a long time. Instead of fighting, you face the things that make you anxious and practice acceptance. For me, walking up the road past strangers on my own, or having my space invaded can put me on edge. Instead of adding more tension, worry and stress (which will exhaust you and cause physical symptoms), you tell yourself 'It's okay. I don't need to figure out why I'm like this. I've been so stressed and worried for such a long time. My body is in a heightened state and worrying makes me worse.' If you accept as best you can, how you are feeling, you will get better. Some degree of anxiety is normal anyway.
(Once again, I don't know how many of you this anxiety stuff will relate to, but I'd guess the majority, if not all).
- Depersonalization is where you feel un-real. Like you're in a bubble. Like you're friends and family could be shot in front of you and you'd feel nothing. It's just another symptom of anxiety. This used to scare me more than anything. The complete numbness.
- Get the fuck out of your comfort zone. I'm only trying to help you... because lately I've realised some things. Staying in your room, rarely leaving it... going on your laptop all night... It's just got bad news written all over it. When you're depressed and anxious, being alone will lead you to dwell on the past... fear the future and try to fix everything at once (which can't possibly happen). Get outside, so that four walls aren't surrounding you. It'll feel weird at first, but you need to change if you want your situation to improve. I used to walk round the same field every day. Rarely was anybody else ever on it. Now, I'm walking up the streets so I have to walk past people. I sit on a bench for a while... and .... nothing bad happens. You are merely afraid of feelings. Over time, you can realise you need not fear feelings.... and, ironically, those feelings will smooth out.
- Don't expect to get better over night. I sometimes prayed before bed (I don't believe in God, I was just desperate) that I'd wake up better. That's an impossible dream and will only lead to you waking up disappointed. Instead, go to bed (at a reasonable time) hoping for the courage to handle things as they are. You can psyche yourself up at any time to have courage. It's better to be angry than afraid. Get pissed off that you're life has flashed before you... Get pissed off that you've become a shadow of your former self. Fuck those people who let you down, gave up on you or walked away. Show them you're better than they thought.
Once again, I want to reiterate... The reason I won't be going on google is because I realise nearly all of my symptoms are down to stress and anxiety only. Some of you may have bowel problems, I dunno... Find what works best I guess, and stick to it.
I used to cut out foods (like gluten) because I thought 'Maybe I have a gluten intolerance'... all because I'd read how bad gluten is. Yet, I had no real reason to believe I had an issue with gluten and millions eat it every day and are healthier than me... Sure, they didn't take a drug... But I was changing my diet and becoming bored at times with what I was 'allowed' to eat. Yet, over months... nothing I did was making a difference. Lifestyle and stress are very important. You can eat as healthy as you want but if you're putting yourself in a constant state of panic about your health, or anything else, you're body won't function right. Constipation and all sorts can be caused just from the thoughts you have.
If you think I'm full of shit, feel free to write this off as a bunch of rubbish.
For those that may read and think 'Yeah... this guy actually speaks some sense' ... I'm glad to of helped.
Have a good day.
Stefan
Everyone is gluten "intolerant", that term is for ignorant people. Following half the diet required for only ~3 month is far far from being enough, diet alone isn't anyway. Some damage take years to repair, specially with a chemo drug like accutane, but it require at least to stop poisoning the body.
Diet is the base of health, anyone who tells the contrary is malicious, ignorant or under the influence of some addictive foods (it's very hard to stop gluten & dairy, it's true). But please, don't try to convince others of your lack of knowledge. Everyone here is waiting to see testimony of others, it's a shame, there is no need for testimony, when we learn physiology there is no need for that, testimony aren't reliable, do things by yourself or you will be forever at the mercy of some ignorant fools.
Otto, great to hear you are having some positive effects from the RSO! Please keep us updated with your progress!
Ok, since i've tried liver flush one time 3 months ago, i can say that it only gave me more problems... as i said, i have some pain in places where my lymph nodes are, and there is evident some small swelling on my neck...and my armpit is also swollen. I don't know what to think about it, i just know that all of it appeared since liver flushing.
Today i have pain in my joints....as i sometimes do...
Anyway...i'm not really convinced about RSO helps, but, yesterday i planted my seeds, and i hope that till the fall i will start using the oil.
I scared myself to death few days ago, finding this : http://www.drugs.com/answers/can-accutane-cause-leukemia-360619.html
Does anyone know anything about this??
I must say that i had been pretty ok dealing with my symptoms until this year...and depression,,,etc. started to kick in again.
I still cant believe that taking only 260 mg for 9 days made me like this
Anyway...i'm not really convinced about RSO helps, but, yesterday i planted my seeds, and i hope that till the fall i will start using the oil.
I tried a single liver flush and didn't see any benefit from it at all, and I'm not really convinced by the theory behind them, so won't be doing any more.
Vaping has helped me with my sides more than anything else I've tried, so don't give up on your grow, I'm sure RSO will help you! I only took in the region of 300mg of this stuff over 30 days, so it doesn't take much..
Why is nobody talking about which strand to take? i was searching the internet and i bought Pineapple chunk seeds from barney's farm...i hope that it'll do...
It is mainly indica, has that 'couch lock' properties, high in THC...
There was talk about strains somewhere after page 200. Indica is the best bet by the looks of it.
I took a grand total of 200mg over 10 days. I ended up with 'borderline Chron's', which I've now almost rid myself of with diet much to the confusion of my doctor. The depersonalistion/emotional blunting began to fade about 8 months after 'tane which coincided with doing silly amounts of intense aerobic exercise daily (4+ hours) which has been shown to facilitate hippocampal neurogenesis (opposite effect of 'tane). Sexual dysfunction only improved after vaping before I started vaping it was only getting slowly worse.
Why is nobody talking about which strand to take? i was searching the internet and i bought Pineapple chunk seeds from barney's farm...i hope that it'll do...
It is mainly indica, has that 'couch lock' properties, high in THC...
There was talk about strains somewhere after page 200. Indica is the best bet by the looks of it.
I took a grand total of 200mg over 10 days. I ended up with 'borderline Chron's', which I've now almost rid myself of with diet much to the confusion of my doctor. The depersonalistion/emotional blunting began to fade about 8 months after 'tane which coincided with doing silly amounts of intense aerobic exercise daily (4+ hours) which has been shown to facilitate hippocampal neurogenesis (opposite effect of 'tane). Sexual dysfunction only improved after vaping before I started vaping it was only getting slowly worse.
yeah...I know that it needs to be indica...but there are Indica...aaaand Indica.
I mean no one is spreding the news about what indica to buy....
So i managed to buy Pineapple chunk that has all the properties Rick Simpson is talking about...i read here that some of you were talking about CBD but RSO is not high in that cannabinoid...niether is my strand...is it ok?
Did anyone had improvements on cannabis oil with hair loss and thin skin induced with accutane?
P.s. I also took only 260 mg total...for 9 days... :/
we are all low on that poison....and yet a lot affected by it... 
Why is nobody talking about which strand to take? i was searching the internet and i bought Pineapple chunk seeds from barney's farm...i hope that it'll do...
It is mainly indica, has that 'couch lock' properties, high in THC...
There was talk about strains somewhere after page 200. Indica is the best bet by the looks of it.
I took a grand total of 200mg over 10 days. I ended up with 'borderline Chron's', which I've now almost rid myself of with diet much to the confusion of my doctor. The depersonalistion/emotional blunting began to fade about 8 months after 'tane which coincided with doing silly amounts of intense aerobic exercise daily (4+ hours) which has been shown to facilitate hippocampal neurogenesis (opposite effect of 'tane). Sexual dysfunction only improved after vaping before I started vaping it was only getting slowly worse.
yeah...I know that it needs to be indica...but there are Indica...aaaand Indica.
I mean no one is spreding the news about what indica to buy....
So i managed to buy Pineapple chunk that has all the properties Rick Simpson is talking about...i read here that some of you were talking about CBD but RSO is not high in that cannabinoid...niether is my strand...is it ok?
Did anyone had improvements on cannabis oil with hair loss and thin skin induced with accutane?
P.s. I also took only 260 mg total...for 9 days... :/
we are all low on that poison....and yet a lot affected by it...
Honestly, no-one really knows. I've opted for Auto Feminised Northern Lights, they seemed easy enough and they're Indica.
RSO was originally intended for treatment of cancer and THC seems to be the predominant component in that. CBD seems to be an important factor in brain repair which is partly what we're after. Thus we want something slightly different.
Again, I HIGHLY SUGGEST you read through all posts from page 200. An individual by the pseudonym 'Roland' or something similar noticed large improvements in regards to skin. I don't think I've read of anyone with hair issues trying RSO yet but I could be wrong.
After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.
Why?
For two reasons, I believe.
You're best chance of recovery is rest.
A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.
Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.
Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.
Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.
Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.
You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.
You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.
A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.
Yo...
Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?
Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.
I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.
My intentions were good.
To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.
Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?
Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.
Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.
Maybe it's made it's way past the border.
I'm not suggesting diet isn't important...
What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over 100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).
Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?
But that didn't happen.
Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...
I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.
It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.
I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.
Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.
Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.
I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.
But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.
That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.
Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.
The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.
If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.
Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.
It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.
I could go on...
Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.
That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.
Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.
Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne..
That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.
Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.
You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.
And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.
If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.
I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.
But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'
Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.
Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.
I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.
Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.
You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.
And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.
Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.
I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.
It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.
But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.
It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.
Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.
Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.
Peace.
Accutane affects other people differently than it does others. Basically what you're suggesting is to get over it and enjoy life. I get what you are saying and agree with you, but keep in mind that other people have had far worse experiences on accutane to the point of being contantly in pain.
Brain fog and low sex drive and depression aren't necessarily all caused by the exhaustion of the mind and body. Usually it is and the drugs amplify these issues, but not always. At least that is what I have found with me. Cutting out the unnecessary annoyances in life wherever I could has helped as has finding hobbies and interests that I enjoy doing.
I firmly believe diet greatly impacts the symptoms that one may have, so yeah what you eat is important. For instance, I've become FAR more sensitive to refined sugar, dairy, wheat and anything with a lot of carbs basically. When I cut those out I felt FAR better than I have ever been since shortly after ending my accutanne treatment 12 years ago. I still have chronic dry skin and dry eyes. No amount of water helps so perhaps I simply can't store water very well (let's just say I go to the bathroom after drinking a small amoutn of water).
Now I can live with my symptoms...I imagine things will get worse for me later on though since things have slowly been getting worse over the last 4-5 years. I'm thankful that I don't have ulcerative colitis and that I only have IBS...THAT is something you can't really enjoy life with if you have it (unless you enjoy blowing money on surgeries and spending tons of time out of work).
All of this stuff can be explained away by saying that "it hasn't been proven" or that "not everyone that took Accutane has it", but you gotta really wonder with all the reports that people have about it if it is just a coincidence or not.
At any rate, some people aren't able to enjoy life because of constant pain, multiple trips to the hospital, and just the time and money being spent trying to get back to having a "normal" life. If a person loses too many things at once, then it is nearly impossible to truly enjoy life. Luckily for me, it has been a slow progression and I personally find joy in volunteer work and writing poetry. That is all I need and want and although my joints do bother me at times, I can still write so I am happy.
Just try to be careful what you say because some people could very well take offense to what you are suggesting, especially if they have some of the more "severe" side effects of Accutane. Generalization is a VERY bad thing which will only tick others off which from what I am reading in your post is exactly what you are doing. Again I get what you are saying and I agree with pretty much all of it...just keep in mind though that any medication has a chance of messing you up pretty badly and that sleep and rest won't always cure or even help those that are experiencing side effects from medication in general.
Thanks for the reply.
I agree a lot with what you've said.
Although I definitely suffered very badly with the effects of this drug, everyone is different and some many have more issues that me.
I suppose my message was aimed at those who can relate to it.
It's an odd scenario because it's very easy to start blaming every problem in your life on 'that sodding drug I took ____ months/years ago'.
For me personally, the eye floaters and sexual dysfunction began a few years after coming off the drug.
If Accutane caused those problems, I'd like to know how...
My main point isn't in ignoring problems and just accepting them, because I think that would be very hard to do for anyone... for the rest of their lives.
However, I realised that back when I was at college (age 17-18) I didn't struggle to get out of bed and think clearly like I do now.
Things like dry eyes ... Annoying as hell, but I tried so many things for that alone and realised I was fighting a losing battle.
I think Life is too short to waste away searching over and over for an answer to something like that.
Now... I don't use any eye drops or anything. My eyes are dry upon wakening and can feel bad at times, but overall... I'm better than when I used drops etc.
I believe the reason I'm so tired now is pure anxiety and stress. A lot, un-intendedly, self-inflicted.
Bad things happen to everyone. Y'all have likely realised nobody really has it easy.
I mean, look at us. We had acne and then we end up with all these problems...
A bit of perspective can be healthy though.
I watched embarrassing bodies on TV last night (a show in the UK). I'll tell ya... that show will make you feel lucky.
The only goal in all of this, though, is to be happy and content. At peace...
I understand many people on this forum will state that's impossible. I was one of them.
If you look back at some of my posts, I'm sure you can see what kind of state I was in.
But I look back at the years of my life with some regret.
I've lost friends... partly because I was so lost in my own world with it's problems. Partly because those friends didn't make an effort...
But I think 'Wow... All the things I could have done... I've not really done much'.
Anxiety and low mood have held me back for so long.
Without going on and repeating myself my only points are these:
- You have to know when it's time to stop waiting around for a pill/supplement/diet to cure you. Don't put your life on hold and say you'll do things when 'you're better'.
- Stress can cause pretty much any problem. You've taken the drug now and there's nothing you can do to change that. Be reasonable. Sure... it's a fucking terrible drug (for some) and I'd never touch it again.... but is it really the cause of every problem in your life now?
- Anxiety could have been triggered by this drug. I've read of people who's anxiety came on after using drugs (like Marijuana). The answer is the same. You have to heal it mentally and over time. The key is to accept that you're anxious and will be for a while, because it's been going on a long time. Instead of fighting, you face the things that make you anxious and practice acceptance. For me, walking up the road past strangers on my own, or having my space invaded can put me on edge. Instead of adding more tension, worry and stress (which will exhaust you and cause physical symptoms), you tell yourself 'It's okay. I don't need to figure out why I'm like this. I've been so stressed and worried for such a long time. My body is in a heightened state and worrying makes me worse.' If you accept as best you can, how you are feeling, you will get better. Some degree of anxiety is normal anyway.
(Once again, I don't know how many of you this anxiety stuff will relate to, but I'd guess the majority, if not all).
- Depersonalization is where you feel un-real. Like you're in a bubble. Like you're friends and family could be shot in front of you and you'd feel nothing. It's just another symptom of anxiety. This used to scare me more than anything. The complete numbness.
- Get the fuck out of your comfort zone. I'm only trying to help you... because lately I've realised some things. Staying in your room, rarely leaving it... going on your laptop all night... It's just got bad news written all over it. When you're depressed and anxious, being alone will lead you to dwell on the past... fear the future and try to fix everything at once (which can't possibly happen). Get outside, so that four walls aren't surrounding you. It'll feel weird at first, but you need to change if you want your situation to improve. I used to walk round the same field every day. Rarely was anybody else ever on it. Now, I'm walking up the streets so I have to walk past people. I sit on a bench for a while... and .... nothing bad happens. You are merely afraid of feelings. Over time, you can realise you need not fear feelings.... and, ironically, those feelings will smooth out.
- Don't expect to get better over night. I sometimes prayed before bed (I don't believe in God, I was just desperate) that I'd wake up better. That's an impossible dream and will only lead to you waking up disappointed. Instead, go to bed (at a reasonable time) hoping for the courage to handle things as they are. You can psyche yourself up at any time to have courage. It's better to be angry than afraid. Get pissed off that you're life has flashed before you... Get pissed off that you've become a shadow of your former self. Fuck those people who let you down, gave up on you or walked away. Show them you're better than they thought.
Once again, I want to reiterate... The reason I won't be going on google is because I realise nearly all of my symptoms are down to stress and anxiety only. Some of you may have bowel problems, I dunno... Find what works best I guess, and stick to it.
I used to cut out foods (like gluten) because I thought 'Maybe I have a gluten intolerance'... all because I'd read how bad gluten is. Yet, I had no real reason to believe I had an issue with gluten and millions eat it every day and are healthier than me... Sure, they didn't take a drug... But I was changing my diet and becoming bored at times with what I was 'allowed' to eat. Yet, over months... nothing I did was making a difference. Lifestyle and stress are very important. You can eat as healthy as you want but if you're putting yourself in a constant state of panic about your health, or anything else, you're body won't function right. Constipation and all sorts can be caused just from the thoughts you have.
If you think I'm full of shit, feel free to write this off as a bunch of rubbish.
For those that may read and think 'Yeah... this guy actually speaks some sense' ... I'm glad to of helped.
Have a good day.
Stefan
Stefan,
I have seen a lot of your videos and I also took accutane around 15 or 16 . I am now 28. Since then I have been having on going anxiety and have been a hypochondriac constantly googling everything accutane could have done to me. From stunting growth to hormone imbalances. I want to tell everyone that it's no way to live. I has become such a ritual to look up stupid things on the internet. "I'm constipated right now, oh must be the Accutane." That's the kind of stupid crap I think about. People around me always think I am a normal good looking muscular guy who probably never has any kind of health issues.
I firmly believe that all of the problems I have now are from anxiety and anxiety only. I was diagnosed with some called prostatitis which is caused from muscle tension in the pelvic region. This is mostly caused from stress and anxiety. So that's what anxiety has done to me not accutane. I should be worrying about healing it which seems easy enough by doing a bunch of relaxation techniques and learning to live life with little stress but I'm constantly worried that accutane caused this hormonal issue. Don't live life worried about what accutane did to you. It's no way to live.
I see you mentioned prostatitis, don't take Cipro or Levaquin for it! They are nasty nasty drugs
I see you mentioned prostatitis, don't take Cipro or Levaquin for it! They are nasty nasty drugs
I've taken cipro for a month until I realized that I had the nonbacterial kind. Got a blood test a few weeks ago and everything seemed fine. I am taking a probiotics right now also.
I wish anxiety was the cause of my problems but I'm suffering from dry flaky skin all over, dry eyes, lips, bulging pressure in my brain, 0 night vision, joint and muscle pain all classic accutane sides which I've had ever since taking that poison. After 10yrs of this misery anxiety management can only go so far.
After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.
Why?
For two reasons, I believe.
You're best chance of recovery is rest.
A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.
Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.
Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.
Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.
Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.
You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema.
You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.
A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.
Yo...
Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?
Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.
I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.
My intentions were good.
To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.
Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?
Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.
Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.
Maybe it's made it's way past the border.
I'm not suggesting diet isn't important...
What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over 100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).
Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?
But that didn't happen.
Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...
I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.
It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.
I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.
Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.
Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.
I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.
But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.
That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.
Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.
The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.
If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.
Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.
It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.
I could go on...
Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.
That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.
Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.
Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne..
That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.
Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.
You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.
And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.
If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.
I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.
But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'
Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.
Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.
I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.
Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.
You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.
And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.
Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.
I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.
It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.
But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.
It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.
Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.
Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.
Peace.
Accutane affects other people differently than it does others. Basically what you're suggesting is to get over it and enjoy life. I get what you are saying and agree with you, but keep in mind that other people have had far worse experiences on accutane to the point of being contantly in pain.
Brain fog and low sex drive and depression aren't necessarily all caused by the exhaustion of the mind and body. Usually it is and the drugs amplify these issues, but not always. At least that is what I have found with me. Cutting out the unnecessary annoyances in life wherever I could has helped as has finding hobbies and interests that I enjoy doing.
I firmly believe diet greatly impacts the symptoms that one may have, so yeah what you eat is important. For instance, I've become FAR more sensitive to refined sugar, dairy, wheat and anything with a lot of carbs basically. When I cut those out I felt FAR better than I have ever been since shortly after ending my accutanne treatment 12 years ago. I still have chronic dry skin and dry eyes. No amount of water helps so perhaps I simply can't store water very well (let's just say I go to the bathroom after drinking a small amoutn of water).
Now I can live with my symptoms...I imagine things will get worse for me later on though since things have slowly been getting worse over the last 4-5 years. I'm thankful that I don't have ulcerative colitis and that I only have IBS...THAT is something you can't really enjoy life with if you have it (unless you enjoy blowing money on surgeries and spending tons of time out of work).
All of this stuff can be explained away by saying that "it hasn't been proven" or that "not everyone that took Accutane has it", but you gotta really wonder with all the reports that people have about it if it is just a coincidence or not.
At any rate, some people aren't able to enjoy life because of constant pain, multiple trips to the hospital, and just the time and money being spent trying to get back to having a "normal" life. If a person loses too many things at once, then it is nearly impossible to truly enjoy life. Luckily for me, it has been a slow progression and I personally find joy in volunteer work and writing poetry. That is all I need and want and although my joints do bother me at times, I can still write so I am happy.
Just try to be careful what you say because some people could very well take offense to what you are suggesting, especially if they have some of the more "severe" side effects of Accutane. Generalization is a VERY bad thing which will only tick others off which from what I am reading in your post is exactly what you are doing. Again I get what you are saying and I agree with pretty much all of it...just keep in mind though that any medication has a chance of messing you up pretty badly and that sleep and rest won't always cure or even help those that are experiencing side effects from medication in general.
Thanks for the reply.
I agree a lot with what you've said.
Although I definitely suffered very badly with the effects of this drug, everyone is different and some many have more issues that me.
I suppose my message was aimed at those who can relate to it.
It's an odd scenario because it's very easy to start blaming every problem in your life on 'that sodding drug I took ____ months/years ago'.
For me personally, the eye floaters and sexual dysfunction began a few years after coming off the drug.
If Accutane caused those problems, I'd like to know how...
My main point isn't in ignoring problems and just accepting them, because I think that would be very hard to do for anyone... for the rest of their lives.
However, I realised that back when I was at college (age 17-18) I didn't struggle to get out of bed and think clearly like I do now.
Things like dry eyes ... Annoying as hell, but I tried so many things for that alone and realised I was fighting a losing battle.
I think Life is too short to waste away searching over and over for an answer to something like that.
Now... I don't use any eye drops or anything. My eyes are dry upon wakening and can feel bad at times, but overall... I'm better than when I used drops etc.
I believe the reason I'm so tired now is pure anxiety and stress. A lot, un-intendedly, self-inflicted.
Bad things happen to everyone. Y'all have likely realised nobody really has it easy.
I mean, look at us. We had acne and then we end up with all these problems...
A bit of perspective can be healthy though.
I watched embarrassing bodies on TV last night (a show in the UK). I'll tell ya... that show will make you feel lucky.
The only goal in all of this, though, is to be happy and content. At peace...
I understand many people on this forum will state that's impossible. I was one of them.
If you look back at some of my posts, I'm sure you can see what kind of state I was in.
But I look back at the years of my life with some regret.
I've lost friends... partly because I was so lost in my own world with it's problems. Partly because those friends didn't make an effort...
But I think 'Wow... All the things I could have done... I've not really done much'.
Anxiety and low mood have held me back for so long.
Without going on and repeating myself my only points are these:
- You have to know when it's time to stop waiting around for a pill/supplement/diet to cure you. Don't put your life on hold and say you'll do things when 'you're better'.
- Stress can cause pretty much any problem. You've taken the drug now and there's nothing you can do to change that. Be reasonable. Sure... it's a fucking terrible drug (for some) and I'd never touch it again.... but is it really the cause of every problem in your life now?
- Anxiety could have been triggered by this drug. I've read of people who's anxiety came on after using drugs (like Marijuana). The answer is the same. You have to heal it mentally and over time. The key is to accept that you're anxious and will be for a while, because it's been going on a long time. Instead of fighting, you face the things that make you anxious and practice acceptance. For me, walking up the road past strangers on my own, or having my space invaded can put me on edge. Instead of adding more tension, worry and stress (which will exhaust you and cause physical symptoms), you tell yourself 'It's okay. I don't need to figure out why I'm like this. I've been so stressed and worried for such a long time. My body is in a heightened state and worrying makes me worse.' If you accept as best you can, how you are feeling, you will get better. Some degree of anxiety is normal anyway.
(Once again, I don't know how many of you this anxiety stuff will relate to, but I'd guess the majority, if not all).
- Depersonalization is where you feel un-real. Like you're in a bubble. Like you're friends and family could be shot in front of you and you'd feel nothing. It's just another symptom of anxiety. This used to scare me more than anything. The complete numbness.
- Get the fuck out of your comfort zone. I'm only trying to help you... because lately I've realised some things. Staying in your room, rarely leaving it... going on your laptop all night... It's just got bad news written all over it. When you're depressed and anxious, being alone will lead you to dwell on the past... fear the future and try to fix everything at once (which can't possibly happen). Get outside, so that four walls aren't surrounding you. It'll feel weird at first, but you need to change if you want your situation to improve. I used to walk round the same field every day. Rarely was anybody else ever on it. Now, I'm walking up the streets so I have to walk past people. I sit on a bench for a while... and .... nothing bad happens. You are merely afraid of feelings. Over time, you can realise you need not fear feelings.... and, ironically, those feelings will smooth out.
- Don't expect to get better over night. I sometimes prayed before bed (I don't believe in God, I was just desperate) that I'd wake up better. That's an impossible dream and will only lead to you waking up disappointed. Instead, go to bed (at a reasonable time) hoping for the courage to handle things as they are. You can psyche yourself up at any time to have courage. It's better to be angry than afraid. Get pissed off that you're life has flashed before you... Get pissed off that you've become a shadow of your former self. Fuck those people who let you down, gave up on you or walked away. Show them you're better than they thought.
Once again, I want to reiterate... The reason I won't be going on google is because I realise nearly all of my symptoms are down to stress and anxiety only. Some of you may have bowel problems, I dunno... Find what works best I guess, and stick to it.
I used to cut out foods (like gluten) because I thought 'Maybe I have a gluten intolerance'... all because I'd read how bad gluten is. Yet, I had no real reason to believe I had an issue with gluten and millions eat it every day and are healthier than me... Sure, they didn't take a drug... But I was changing my diet and becoming bored at times with what I was 'allowed' to eat. Yet, over months... nothing I did was making a difference. Lifestyle and stress are very important. You can eat as healthy as you want but if you're putting yourself in a constant state of panic about your health, or anything else, you're body won't function right. Constipation and all sorts can be caused just from the thoughts you have.
If you think I'm full of shit, feel free to write this off as a bunch of rubbish.
For those that may read and think 'Yeah... this guy actually speaks some sense' ... I'm glad to of helped.
Have a good day.
Stefan
Stefan,
I have seen a lot of your videos and I also took accutane around 15 or 16 . I am now 28. Since then I have been having on going anxiety and have been a hypochondriac constantly googling everything accutane could have done to me. From stunting growth to hormone imbalances. I want to tell everyone that it's no way to live. I has become such a ritual to look up stupid things on the internet. "I'm constipated right now, oh must be the Accutane." That's the kind of stupid crap I think about. People around me always think I am a normal good looking muscular guy who probably never has any kind of health issues.
I firmly believe that all of the problems I have now are from anxiety and anxiety only. I was diagnosed with some called prostatitis which is caused from muscle tension in the pelvic region. This is mostly caused from stress and anxiety. So that's what anxiety has done to me not accutane. I should be worrying about healing it which seems easy enough by doing a bunch of relaxation techniques and learning to live life with little stress but I'm constantly worried that accutane caused this hormonal issue. Don't live life worried about what accutane did to you. It's no way to live.
Hey buddy.
Glad to see you're able to step outside of your self and see what's going on.
This drug is definitely a baddie, as our most (I'm off the antidepressants after taking them for 11 days - Update coming on my YouTube channel).
I think it's about being logical.
It's easy to get into the trap of blaming everything on this drug, because it was the starting point for a lot of problems.
Dry eyes and stuff like that are a bitch, but at the end of the day you can't do anything about them.
Therefore, why waste time and energy searching for answers that don't exist?
It's about balance really. Eating junk food is obviously not good for physical health, if that's all you eat.
But becoming obsessed about food and health is going to worsen anxiety and make people focus on what's lacking.
So, have a cookie from time to time. Enjoy it.
Be grateful for it.
Eating natural foods is clearly a better idea than eating sugar and carbs all the time.
Low-fat diets are what most of the general public believe in, but that's ignorance and brain-washing.
Carbs, protein and fats are important... but the thing to remember is diet isn't everything here.
A lot of people eat shit and get away with it freely.
Sure, they may not have taken Accutane or other harmful drugs, but it goes to show that diet has it's limitations, and I'd advise against anything really restrictive and unsociable, i.e. eating shrimp and rice and those foods only.
If you're tired... look again at the basics - are you eating enough calories (2500?)... fruits and veg and good for nutrients and vitamins but if they're the bulk of your diet, you'll find yourself in deep shit as you're body is essentially starving.
Are you sleeping properly? Going to bed by 10PM regularly seems so hard to do, but it's vital.
Unfortunately, technology is problematic and now people have so many things that could be doing instead of sleep.
50 years ago, people would have slept when it was dark because there was nothing better to do anyway.
I never wake up rested, but I no longer expect to as this has been going on a while.
When you are eating and sleeping well, you'll be more able to cope with things going wrong.
Anxiety and stress are silent killers, as I've said time and time again.
I'm setting myself goals so that I widen my comfort zone, because the only thing you really fear is fear itself.
It's natural to want to avoid feeling uncomfortable, but hiding away ends up making you a wimpy little shitbag who's afraid of everything and frankly, no fun to be around.
So, again:
- Count calories for a few days to see how much you're eating. You may realise you're not eating enough.
- Sleep on a regularly timed basis. Circadian rhythm and that.
- Cope with your emotional health. Angry? Beat the fucking shit out of a pillow or scream in your car (windows down is recommended). Breathe and hold the word 'peace' in mind.
- HAVE FAITH.
If you believe you'll get better, even one day far away, you no longer feel hopeless and fearful, because every little ting is gonna be alreeeet.
I love you all and wish only the best for you.
x