We all have said it apparently, cannabis is helpful but not the solution, cannabis alone doesnt cure congestion, global toxicity, intestinal hyperpermeability etc.. You continue to miss the point, it's not to add new things to get better, it's about changing things, to stop doing harmful things to your body mainly by diet by stopping grains, legumes, dairy, eggs, meat, salt etc.. (so only fruits & vegetables).

 

Nice to see that i'm not the only one who get cured with diet and liver flushing (mainly) (;

I hadn't seen your posts. Great to hear you have had such great success with the same procedures as me.

I would definitely agree that cannabis is not the ultimate solution. Like I posted earlier, cannabis is a great restorative drug. It will not have the effect of detox on the body that other protocols do, such as liver flushing, colonic irrigation and enemas, clay baths/masks.

There is a balance of both detox and restoration that are required.

Anonny you're aware ManitobaMountain didn't say he was 'cured'. He simply said he made huge improvements. TaneAbomination also says he made improvements but not a cure. AccutaneIsPoison seems to proclaim 'cure' but I have not yet managed to contact him.

 

I agree with diet being key for gastric issues as you do. My diet is salmon/chicken, fruit and vegetables, nothing else. I seriously doubt you can tell me with conviction that salmon/chicken is the reason I can't feel my bellend.

 

Not looking to start an argument or belittle beliefs. Just trying to inject a little objectiveness. Otherwise this will turn into a game of Chinese whispers everyone twisting everyone else's words.

 

 

I disagree Annonyy. I think there is a possibility that a CBD rich oil could be a solution. I don't know if you read the study I posted but in the study they poisoned rats and induced liver failure and brain damage and after administering CBD their liver function and brain function were restored. So if the liver and/or brain are key to our suffering (which I think they are) there is a chance CBD can resolve our problems. No one has even tried a CBD rich oil yet they've only used a THC rich oil. That being said I'm still going to try a liver flush or two.

 

I'm intrigued at the speed this occurred. Something like 12 days max by the looks of it, impressive. But hey I guess maybe pointing an x-ray at your cranium is safer than 'tane -_-

Hi Crank, depending on your definition of "cured", I would say that you may have misinterpreted my posts.

I am free of all symptoms, apart from slightly dry skin and slightly dry hair, which to be honest wasn't uncommon for me before accutane.

I can solidly say that I attribute my resoration and detox, mainly to liver flushing and changes in diet.

Your issues with libido are extremely related to the liver. Your hormonal system (endocrine) is highly dependent on the liver to make sure it is free of obstruction and has a constant flow of energy to it.

Liver Flushing has massively increased my libido. The body is a holistic organism- everything is related. And having a clean liver is the key that will allow your body to restore itself.

There are both me and anonyy saying the same thing. We have nothing to prove, only the will to share what has been beneficial. Disregarding this would be foolish surely?

Regarding the meat and fish, I personally have found that as my body became less toxic, my interest in these foods completely diminished and I came to favour a vegetarian diet naturally as this was the food that tasted great and felt best for me! If you really love these foods, they bring you joy and sustain you, then I would say go for it.

Kindest regards, james

Haha ok ok, I've said I will try all this stuff and I still plan to. It's simply that I've had it drilled into me incessantly the scientists chain of thought. Everything has to be objectified and factual. So when I see words and phrases like 'global toxicity', 'congestion', 'light nodes', 'surrenals' and 'religion' which have no basis in Science alarm bells are set off. Congestion perhaps, but that's generally in regards to heart issues.

So basically stuff that science disregards entirely i.e liver flushes, basically coincides with my own mindset. RSO although shunned by the media and some of the medical community there is clearly a lot of research into at the moment as has been posted. But 'liver flushing' there is basically the medical community saying it's a bunch of hocus pocus. HOWEVER, I will try it. If it does anything, fantastic. Will try a bunch of this stuff post skiing (Feb 2nd).

So based on what you guys are saying wouldn't the logical thing to do be some liver flushes followed by a high CBD RSO? Quite frankly I'm pretty skeptical about liver flushes considering all I've read about them is that the stones produced are simply a mixture of bile and the ingredients of the flush. However they definitely cannot hurt and some people are saying they've helped so I think I'll do one this weekend. Also no one can say for sure that RSO isn't a final solution because no one has even TRIED an RSO with a significant amount of CBD. And if you guys think the main reason we're sick is because of the liver, CBD is the cannabinoid promoting normal liver functioning.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/would-you-like-a-liver-flush-with-that-colon-cleanse/

stuff like this explains my scepticism.

Haha ok ok, I've said I will try all this stuff and I still plan to. It's simply that I've had it drilled into me incessantly the scientists chain of thought. Everything has to be objectified and factual. So when I see words and phrases like 'global toxicity', 'congestion', 'light nodes', 'surrenals' and 'religion' which have no basis in Science alarm bells are set off. Congestion perhaps, but that's generally in regards to heart issues.

 

So basically stuff that science disregards entirely i.e liver flushes, basically coincides with my own mindset. RSO although shunned by the media and some of the medical community there is clearly a lot of research into at the moment as has been posted. But 'liver flushing' there is basically the medical community saying it's a bunch of hocus pocus. HOWEVER, I will try it. If it does anything, fantastic. Will try a bunch of this stuff post skiing (Feb 2nd).

100% bullshit here. You can't change how the body work, there is no 50 version of it. Every "disease" come from a congestion of some sort.

Surrenals control the libido, energy levels, cortisol, insulin, etc. its facts. Global toxicity (or acidity) is very common in those modern days.

Who talk about religion?

Liver flushing work, stop searching useless arguments in google, try it, it work. And it's not mainly about removing those stones, it's about cleansing the intestine & purging the bile, if it expell stones in the process its even better. I always believed it's possible that not all stones of the flush are true stones, but it's 100% sure that a part of them are.

Note: your article is a talk about clark, not the liver flush (it's not even clark who invented that flush). The protocol and every info about the flush on this page are 100% false. Funny how people who try to argue about something doesnt even know what they are talking about. It only explain how moron & ignorant the author is.

If you want to search arguments against something, you will always find what your looking for, no matter what the subject is, this world is full of negative people.

On 1/18/2014 at 1:31 AM, Crank92 said:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/would-you-like-a-liver-flush-with-that-colon-cleanse/

stuff like this explains my scepticism.

This is the opinion of one man. Here is the experience of another man, who says (just like me and anonyy) that this procedure has drastically improved their health-

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Do not forget that science is what got you into this position in the first place. All the science shows that Accutane "cures" acne. How has it benefited you?

It is not up to me to change your mind, but I believe the experience will do so when you start.

As I said I will be trying this stuff.

I think my hesitation is compounded by anonny's understanding of human biology. Exhibit A the 'surrenals' (which I've now figured out are the adrenal glands) control insulin. That would in fact be the beta-cells in the islets of langerhan found within a totally separate organ - the pancreas. The list goes on. The video you posted pretty much expands on that point, being as polite as possible the guy sounds like an absolute lemon. I realise that's beside the point. It helped him. Or did simply drinking lettuce juice for an eternity cause him to lose 200lb's and thus ease other symptoms. I won't answer.

Science is not an entity but a process.

"The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

So no Science did not get me in this mess. Accutane did. Science can explain how this happened - although not at this time it seems. So via science I try and suss the most feasible method out of this situation. Perhaps there is also some unbeknownst method that liver flushing actually does provide benefit that has not yet been discovered other than anecdotal evidence.

I repeat, I will be trying a liver flush. If I benefit, you are more than welcome to give me the 'I told you so speech'.

I disagree Annonyy. I think there is a possibility that a CBD rich oil could be a solution. I don't know if you read the study I posted but in the study they poisoned rats and induced liver failure and brain damage and after administering CBD their liver function and brain function were restored. So if the liver and/or brain are key to our suffering (which I think they are) there is a chance CBD can resolve our problems. No one has even tried a CBD rich oil yet they've only used a THC rich oil. That being said I'm still going to try a liver flush or two.

I agree that CBD-rich oil could well be key to recovery, based on the fact that not only have 2 forum members made recoveries which they put down solely to RSO, but it now seems a number of other members who have made at least partital recoveries have taken RSO. Then there is the fact that studies appear to confirm the medicinal benefits of this cannabinoid, specially in relation to neurological health.

I've now been taking 'Cibex' CBD oil for 3 weeks, and although the dosage doesn;t contain very much CBD I have been taking 3-4 times the recommended daily dose, and for the last week I've also been taking RSHO which contains 24% CBD and is as close to RSO as I can get my hands on at the moment. The parent company of both products seems well funded, is stock market floated in the US and has government links too I've read. Doesn't necessarily mean the product is good, but I think it's worth a go. The main negative is the cost - 10mg of CBD RSHO oil is about $500. That's only a couple of weeks worth,,

Performing a liver flush tomorrow - more out of curiosity than anything else, but I've been encouraged by numerous reports of positive results.

I agree that CBD-rich oil could well be key to recovery, based on the fact that not only have 2 forum members made recoveries which they put down solely to RSO, but it now seems a number of other members who have made at least partital recoveries have taken RSO. Then there is the fact that studies appear to confirm the medicinal benefits of this cannabinoid, specially in relation to neurological health.

Yeah thats why I'm hoping this issue is purely neurological. CBD is tremendously beneficially for neurological disorders as well as restoring brain function. I keep going back and forth on whether I think the root cause of this is neurological or whether the neurological problems are the result of another problem. Hopefully it is a neurological issue and CBD should be able to fix it.

Also I'm pretty skeptical of RSHO. A former employee of theirs said that stuff is a scam. Plus it's important to have other cannabinoids mixed in because they all work synergistically.

 

We all have said it apparently, cannabis is helpful but not the solution, cannabis alone doesnt cure congestion, global toxicity, intestinal hyperpermeability etc.. You continue to miss the point, it's not to add new things to get better, it's about changing things, to stop doing harmful things to your body mainly by diet by stopping grains, legumes, dairy, eggs, meat, salt etc.. (so only fruits & vegetables).

 

Nice to see that i'm not the only one who get cured with diet and liver flushing (mainly) (;

I hadn't seen your posts. Great to hear you have had such great success with the same procedures as me.

I would definitely agree that cannabis is not the ultimate solution. Like I posted earlier, cannabis is a great restorative drug. It will not have the effect of detox on the body that other protocols do, such as liver flushing, colonic irrigation and enemas, clay baths/masks.

There is a balance of both detox and restoration that are required.

>Anonny you're aware ManitobaMountain didn't say he was 'cured'. He simply said he made huge improvements. TaneAbomination also says he made improvements but not a cure. AccutaneIsPoison seems to proclaim 'cure' but I have not yet managed to contact him.

 

I agree with diet being key for gastric issues as you do. My diet is salmon/chicken, fruit and vegetables, nothing else. I seriously doubt you can tell me with conviction that salmon/chicken is the reason I can't feel my bellend.

 

Not looking to start an argument or belittle beliefs. Just trying to inject a little objectiveness. Otherwise this will turn into a game of Chinese whispers everyone twisting everyone else's words.

 

 

I disagree Annonyy. I think there is a possibility that a CBD rich oil could be a solution. I don't know if you read the study I posted but in the study they poisoned rats and induced liver failure and brain damage and after administering CBD their liver function and brain function were restored. So if the liver and/or brain are key to our suffering (which I think they are) there is a chance CBD can resolve our problems. No one has even tried a CBD rich oil yet they've only used a THC rich oil. That being said I'm still going to try a liver flush or two.

 

I'm intrigued at the speed this occurred. Something like 12 days max by the looks of it, impressive. But hey I guess maybe pointing an x-ray at your cranium is safer than 'tane -_-

Hi Crank, depending on your definition of "cured", I would say that you may have misinterpreted my posts.

I am free of all symptoms, apart from slightly dry skin and slightly dry hair, which to be honest wasn't uncommon for me before accutane.

I can solidly say that I attribute my resoration and detox, mainly to liver flushing and changes in diet.

Your issues with libido are extremely related to the liver. Your hormonal system (endocrine) is highly dependent on the liver to make sure it is free of obstruction and has a constant flow of energy to it.

Liver Flushing has massively increased my libido. The body is a holistic organism- everything is related. And having a clean liver is the key that will allow your body to restore itself.

There are both me and anonyy saying the same thing. We have nothing to prove, only the will to share what has been beneficial. Disregarding this would be foolish surely?

Regarding the meat and fish, I personally have found that as my body became less toxic, my interest in these foods completely diminished and I came to favour a vegetarian diet naturally as this was the food that tasted great and felt best for me! If you really love these foods, they bring you joy and sustain you, then I would say go for it.

Kindest regards, james

For the folks here who have post-Accutnae sexual dysfunction, suggesting that it is because of our livers is pretty tough to swallow. Sexual problems are rarer, but most of the people here who have sexual issues know they are related to the anti-androgenic mechanism of Accutane. Read about other 5-alpha reductase inhibitors and post-finasteride syndrome.

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/hypoglycemia

http://www.bitingfit.co.uk/blog/?p=89

More infos: "Cortisol activates the sympathetic nervous system, causing all of the physiologic responses previously described. As a rule, the parasympathetic nervous system must then be suppressed, since the two systems cannot operate simultaneously. The parasympathetic nervous system is stimulated during quiet activities such as eating, which is important because for the body to best use food energy, enzymes and hormones controlling digestion and absorption must be working at their peak performance.

Imagine what goes on in a cortisol-flooded, stressed-out body when food is consumed: Digestion and absorption are compromised, indigestion develops, and the mucosal lining becomes irritated and inflamed. This may sound familiar. Ulcers are more common during stressful times, and many people with irritable bowel syndrome and colitis report improvement in their symptoms when they master stress management. And, of course, the resulting mucosal inflammation leads to the increased production of cortisol, and the cycle continues as the body becomes increasingly taxed."

The problem is not my understanding but yours.

I don't understand either.

What does a vague medical condition which lacks evidence and a clear definition, and a blog about eating breakfast have to do with sexual dysfunction that developed during a course of Accutane?

Where does the liver come into play in all this?

What if we didn't have the digestive symptoms, which supposedly lead to high or low cortisol, or insulin regulation problems?

Because this would leave out about half of us with sexual symptoms.

Are you assuming every one of us feels stressed and tired?

Could you please elaborate?

I don't talk about medical things, i talk about physiology, how the body work. The body is a whole thing, there is no special disease reserved to special part, if he's impacted somewhere, the whole body is impacted someway. I have to explain cause of course you doesnt want to read books & info i linked before, you want to believe only what you want, it's kinda useless to explain anything here.
I never said liver as to do with libido. It can have since if the liver is congestioned everything else is also impacted, not directly.

I know you mean well anonny, but constantly quoting hippy sites with inaccurate science is why I'm constantly picking you up on it. That quote you just posted, where it says the parasympathetic and sympathetic system cannot operate simultaneously is false. If the parasympathetic were to completely shut off you would be experiencing cardiac problems pretty soon, unless you've got a heart than can handle beating at 200+bpm.

You say I don't read books. Yet I've spent the last few years reading books on physiology and biochemistry. I'm doing a degree in all this sh*t anonny and plan on continuing on to do a medical degree. So stop telling me I don't read books on this stuff, because that's another falsity you continue to proclaim.

Lol, of course they work together its just to say that when there is high cortisol level digestion is impaired cause there is other priority, its just a fact. I'm just linking english website i found with some infos, i'm french.

PS: I said you haven't read the book & other link i've posted before. And i don't know what book you've read but if you don't understand what im telling since the beginning there is a big problem with those.
Its easy, if in your book they explain auto-immune disease as a disease, a defect of the immune system, you can burn it (its just one exemple).

Does anyone know of any birth control pills that are not anti-androgens? or low anti-androgen? I am considering it since I have adverse reactions to other forms of contraception namely condoms...doesn't matter what kind. I have also read that estogren promoting ones can encourage hair growth. I really do not know too much about BCP but I am aware that it's not a great idea post tane. I just still think I am severely low in estrogen. I need to get tested, but I never had any problems on it after accutane...preferably feedback from women would be helpful. Also it helped my cramps last time. although the naltrexone has covered that since.

I never taken birth control except when on Accutane, but have you looked in to bio identical hormones or a natural source of estrogen? I believe holistic/organic stores or even whole foods might have some natural sources of estrogen. Funny thing is while on Accutane I had a over growth of hair, then 2 months off it started falling out, I have never figured out if maybe I was deficient in estrogen to begin with and the birth control helped that and hence the over growth of hair, or if it was Accutane.

I wouldn't take any birth control pills though, they can cause problems and depending what meds your taking now you that might not be good.

I am not expert, but just a thought

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21654550

Another study on CBD and brain damage. This time brain damage induced by hypoxia-ischemia (basically starving the brain of oxygen) CBD caused a far greater recovery than those without it. I haven't looked at the details, such as experimental duration etc etc. But it looks like good stuff as per usual.

CBD is incredible. Literally everyone who has ever taken Accutane should be taking that stuff. Especially people suffering from post Accutane depression or anxiety.

For anyone interested in the RSO route there is a wealth of information on this site!

http://www.cannabiscure.info/

It's run by some guys who were producing and supplying cannabis oil completely free of charge to cancer suffers until they were prosecuted in 2007. The site has info on the type of seeds you need, equipment required, processes for producing either oil or produce to vap and tinitures. They are doing proper research on this stuff too.

Traditional cannabis (which is bred for the 'stoned' effect) is apparently usually 12-21% THC with only 0.1 - 0.3% CBD. The medical strains look to be about 6% THC and 6% CBD.

Wow. I finally got around to watching the liver flush guy video and I'm suddenly hungry for french-fried pertaters.

Can't quite put my finger on it, but something about his prose, accent, and range of facial expression reminds me of Carl from Sling Blade.

The best part is where he states cancer is "your own immune system's response to acidic waste and toxins" I reckon.

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...Mmmmmmhhhhmmmmmm. Can't take someone who says that seriously.

Second best would have to be his recommendation to wait until the new moon to start a flush. Okay buddy, you totally lost me there.

[Edited video out]

All joking aside, he seems like a nice guy who was convinced the woo treatments had more to do with his better health than the simple explanation of improving his diet, or the weight loss itself.

Acne1776, are you noticing benefits from RSO already? Not quite sure why you are so positive it will work for us. Hope what you say is true though.

MovingOn, you might want to steer clear of anything containing cyproterone acetate (Diane-35/Dianette), which is also used for chemical castration and being investigated as an acne drug. The newer progestin pills in particular that are touted for preventing acne are the most anti-androgenic.

There's an excellent excellent podcast about this topic on Dr Drew's site (Birth Control Pill discussion starts at 18:00 minutes)

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Sort of a lose-lose situation I guess. If you try to avoid the estrogenic side effects, you risk the side effects of the progestins.

Surprised lambskins cause any issues, but that's none of my business.

Stay the hell away from Yaz (drospirenone,a spironolactone-based progestin btw) no matter what.

I know 2 women IRL who had to have their gallbladders removed a few months into taking Yaz, to later find out that was a very-highly reported side effect of the drug.

Sounds like an excellent idea to get your hormones tested first too!. One of the previously mentioned women was put on Lo-estrin because her estrogen was so high. Your doctor might recommend a high estrogen low-progestin pill, or even estrogen only, if your estrogen is found to be low.

Dubya_B I'm not taking RSO. My saying CBD is incredible was regarding the studies showing that ingesting a PLANT can reverse brain damage. And I'm not positive it will work for us. I think it looks very promising based on what I've read about it. Also based on the fact that TWO people have had significant improvements on THC oil when CBD is probably the more beneficially cannabinoid for us and both cannabinoids work synergistically together.

It's kinda **** to judge an information to the ridiculous behavior of a person. Beside this information certainly doesnt come from him (i didn't watched the video entirely).
If you truely believe that the body can malfunction by itself, you're really misinformed. Cancer as other disease come from a bad environment, the body doesnt malfunction without reason, there is no "roll the dice" random disease. I don't think it's true about cancer presented like that but, it certainly has something to do with acids & toxins (as all diseases).
It's not about improving diet, it's about to stop poisoning the body with inappropriate "foods".
I don't understand why you are a such toxic person, trying to demonize hygienism & physiology, even more with your low knowledge about the subject... Liver (&kidney) flushing was the first thing i said who was very effective when i came here, diet by second, cause of course it's not enough, its just the part "do no more arm".

On 1/21/2014 at 7:45 AM, Dubya_B said:

Wow. I finally got around to watching the liver flush guy video and I'm suddenly hungry for french-fried pertaters.

Can't quite put my finger on it, but something about his prose, accent, and range of facial expression reminds me of Carl from Sling Blade.

The best part is where he states cancer is "your own immune system's response to acidic waste and toxins" I reckon.

[Edited video out]

...Mmmmmmhhhhmmmmmm. Can't take someone who says that seriously.

Second best would have to be his recommendation to wait until the new moon to start a flush. Okay buddy, you totally lost me there.

[Edited video out]

All joking aside, he seems like a nice guy who was convinced the woo treatments had more to do with his better health than the simple explanation of improving his diet, or the weight loss itself.

Dubya_B I'm not taking RSO. My saying CBD is incredible was regarding the studies showing that ingesting a PLANT can reverse brain damage. And I'm not positive it will work for us. I think it looks very promising based on what I've read about it. Also based on the fact that TWO people have had significant improvements on THC oil when CBD is probably the more beneficially cannabinoid for us and both cannabinoids work synergistically together.

Ya, I guess that sums up my thoughts on it pretty well. Believe me, I've got my feelers out for RSO. Will buy unless the source is ripping me off for it. It's hard to get enthusiastic about anything working though, going by my past experience. Still has the "something worth trying" feel to it IMO considering the studies and anecdotal successes. Way more solid than wishing on rainbow unicorn farts. Seems relatively safe too, as opposed to many of the somewhat rational, but risky things people have tried to help them.

anonny, by your definition a person could be immortal simply by avoiding "toxic" foods.

Genetic diseases, or genetic susceptibility to certain diseases are a roll of the dice if there ever was one, and totally not dependent on toxins.

I totally agree that eating an unhealthy diet or being exposed to the wrong chemicals plays a big part in many diseases and cancer, but not always.

Freaking sunlight (mainly UVB radiation) can trigger mutations that cause cancer, regardless of toxins.

You really take this "avoiding toxins" thing to the extreme. The cure for AIDS too?

Where do you read this stuff at?

Problem is, there is no genetic disease who can come randomly after birth, and most of the said genetic disease supposedly since birth are not. You are still believing in this genetic and autoimmune scam, sad for you.

Sunlight cause cancer if you never had exposed yourself to sunlight for a long time and then directly expose for too long, it has to be progressive, letting the skin adapt progressively without sunburn and sunscreen, 10min at first, then 20min etc.. There is far more chance to get skin cancer from the sunscreen than the sun. Excess UVB/sunburn doesnt cause mutation, it certainly alter gene expression temporarly, but then the skin die/fall and come back to normal.

I don't take avoiding toxins to the extreme, im trying to use my body as it intended to be, putting toxic and inapropriate substance in it certainly isnt.

I don't believe in HIV, i still don't understand where AIDS come from but it's certainly from malnutrition (and/or toxicity, and related immune suppression). Even the "inventor" of AIDS said it, HIV is a scam. The HIV test is so inacurate that you can have "AIDS" in some country and other not.

And yes, every disease come from a bad cell environment, the body doesnt trigger disease with no reason. Try to think by yourself for once and read physiology book, and not the crappy one.