Glad to hear that you are doing well Chico. Keep us posted please.

What were your symptoms prior to the fast?

On 10/2/2013 at 7:14 AM, Chico Esposito said:

On 10/1/2013 at 11:38 PM, JTM88 said:

Chico Esposito,

Please keep us posted. Curious to see if juice fast is the way to go when so many other methods have failed. Hope you feel better.

On 9/28/2013 at 8:28 PM, Chico Esposito said:

Day 10 of juice fast, living off 3 quarts of green juice per day, 2 tablespoons of psylium husk, 2 tablespoons of hydrated bentonite clay, lots of water. Everything going smoothly, my eyes are starting to go white again as they were bloodshot before the fast, the red veins are disappearing in the whites of my eyes.... and i feel much better internally. Still have only gone the toilet twice, that needs to be rectified, but going well. My hair looks to be in better shape and body odour has dissipated somewhat.

Day 14 of juice fast, 3 quarts of juice, 2 quarts of watermelon juice, 1 quart of Apple, ginger, celery, spinach, lemon juice. Weight starting to stabilise, after losing weight in the last few days, seems my metabolism has slowed down. Arise and shine Bentonite clay has arrived and it replaces the more watery Yerba prima bentonite clay in my shakes. Instead of rice milk i've been using almond milk in my P & B shakes today. Feeling good, skin is still in better condition than pre fast, really a walk in the park today.

Also been taking Vitamin E. Interesting you noted that E helps the liver store more Vitamin A. Any research to back this up? Thanks.

On 10/2/2013 at 11:03 AM, MovingOn said:

Been taking biotin for at least 3 months. only noticed stronger nails....hair continues to fall out [Edited image out]apple cider vinegar slows the rate of fall out, and impoves appearance but nothing has stopped it. I believe taking some higher does of vitamin E impacted me negatively post accutane since E encourages liver to store the A instead of removing it...may have triggered a more acute...but not CUTE vitamin a toxicity. GO ME!

Been taking biotin for at least 3 months. only noticed stronger nails....hair continues to fall out [Edited image out]apple cider vinegar slows the rate of fall out, and improves appearance but nothing has stopped it. I believe taking some higher does of vitamin E impacted me negatively post accutane since E encourages liver to store the A instead of removing it...may have triggered a more acute...but not CUTE vitamin a toxicity. GO ME! Will continue to take biotin. Still suffer from insanely dry mouth too. Any products work besides biotene? I havn't noticed biotene making that much of a difference reallly...

Hi Anonyy when i said butt pain... I meant pain in the muscles of butt (Glutes Maximus).. Thanks God i don't have any pain in the colon..

Interesting thing is that when i have pysillum these symptoms go away quickly but the original symptoms of accutane comes back and when I have pain in muscles of butt i don't have any accutane symptoms.. These symptoms only come when i consume lot of foods that increase the production of bile like Seasame oil (3-4 table spoons per day), Garlic, Apple cider Vinegar / lot of sun bath along with massage on my body and go away when i eat Psyllium ...Also, my stool color changes from brown color --> green brown color indicating lot's of bile in the stool..

The only explanation i can come up with is that the Accutane is a fat and is dissolved by fat only .. The more bile I produce more the accutane is attached to it and it can only exit the body by breaking Entraheptatic cycle agent which is Psyllium or any other soluble fibre...

http://experiencelife.com/article/fiber-why-it-matters-more-than-you-think/

Read this article it is very interesting about how Entraheptatic cycle can be broken by fibre...

"Anonyy" how are you feeling with accutane off your body? Is the body cured permanently or still you sometimes get effects of accutane?

Pain in the butt is inflammation i think, some people lost their colon cause of accutane. You should stop acidic food and do some greens juice. Boswellia can be useful too.
Eating too much fiber can worsen inflammation so psyllium, bentonite, etc.. can be a bad idea.

Oh ok sry i misunderstood.
Presently im cured of the psychic trouble. I only still have a little bit of skin symptoms but it's better everyday.

Really interesting, UDCA is actually a produced by bacteria, and it is also produced in the colon. UDCA seems to get pretty complex really fast, you start talking about genes, hormones etc right away. The people who do well on UDCA may lack CDCA to produce sufficient UDCA.

We investigated the feasibility of increasing ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) in the enterohepatic circulation of pigs by administering living bacteria capable of epimerising endogenous amidated chenodeoxycholic acid (CDCA) to UDCA. We first demonstrated that combining Bifidobacterium animalis DN-173 010, as a bile salt-hydrolysing bacterium, and Clostridium absonum ATCC 27555, as a CDCA to UDCA epimerising bacterium, led to the efficient epimerisation of glyco- and tauro-CDCA in vitro, with respective UDCA yields of 55.8 (SE 2.8) and 36.6 (SE 1.5)%. This strain combination was then administered to hypercholesterolaemic pigs over a 3-week period, as two daily preprandial doses of either viable (six experimental pigs) or heat-inactivated bacteria (six controls). The main effects of treatment were on unconjugated bile acids (P=0.035) and UDCA (P<0.0001) absorbed into the portal vein, which increased 1.6-1.7- and 3.5-7.5-fold, respectively, under administration of living compared with inactivated bacteria. In bile, UDCA did not increase significantly, but the increase in biliary lithocholic acid with time in the controls was not observed in the experimental pigs (P=0.007), and the same trend was observed in faeces. All other variables (biliary lipid equilibrium, plasma lipid levels and partition of cholesterol between the different lipoprotein classes) remained unaffected by treatment throughout the duration of the experiment. In conclusion, it is feasible to increase the bioavailability of UDCA to the intestine and the liver by administering active bacteria. This may represent an interesting new probiotic activity, provided that in future it could be expressed by a safe food micro-organism. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15946407

Dihydroxy bile acids, such as chenodeoxycholic acid (CDCA), are well known to promote colonic fluid and electrolyte secretion, thereby causing diarrhoea associated with bile acid malabsorption. However, CDCA is rapidly metabolised by colonic bacteria to ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA), the effects of which on epithelial transport are poorly characterised. Here, we investigated the role of UDCA in the regulation of colonic epithelial secretion. Cl(-) secretion was measured across voltage-clamped monolayers of T84 cells and muscle-stripped sections of mouse or human colon. Cell surface biotinylation was used to assess abundance/surface expression of transport proteins. Acute (15 min) treatment of T84 cells with bilateral UDCA attenuated Cl(-) secretory responses to the Ca(2+) and cAMP-dependent secretagogues carbachol (CCh) and forskolin (FSK) to 14.0 3.8 and 40.2 7.4% of controls, respectively (n = 18, P < 0.001). Investigation of the molecular targets involved revealed that UDCA acts by inhibiting Na(+)/K(+)-ATPase activity and basolateral K(+) channel currents, without altering their cell surface expression. In contrast, intraperitoneal administration of UDCA (25 mg kg(-1)) to mice enhanced agonist-induced colonic secretory responses, an effect we hypothesised to be due to bacterial metabolism of UDCA to lithocholic acid (LCA). Accordingly, LCA (50-200 m) enhanced agonist-induced secretory responses in vitro and a metabolically stable UDCA analogue, 6-methyl-UDCA, exerted anti-secretory actions in vitro and in vivo. In conclusion, UDCA exerts direct anti-secretory actions on colonic epithelial cells and metabolically stable derivatives of the bile acid may offer a new approach for treating intestinal diseases associated with diarrhoea. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23507881

Bile acid composition in the colon is determined by bile acid flow in the intestines, the population of bile acid-converting bacteria, and the properties of the responsible bacterial enzymes. Ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) is regarded as a chemopreventive beneficial bile acid due to its low hydrophobicity. However, it is a minor constituent of human bile acids. Here, we characterized an UDCA-producing bacterium, N53, isolated from human feces. 16S rDNA sequence analysis identified this isolate as Ruminococcus gnavus, a novel UDCA-producer. The forward reaction that produces UDCA from 7-oxo-lithocholic acid was observed to have a growth-dependent conversion rate of 90-100% after culture in GAM broth containing 1 mM 7-oxo-lithocholic acid, while the reverse reaction was undetectable. The gene encoding 7-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (7-HSDH), which facilitates the UDCA-producing reaction, was cloned and overexpressed in Escherichia coli. Characterization of the purified 7-HSDH revealed that the kcat/Km value was about 90-fold higher for the forward reaction than for the reverse reaction, indicating that the enzyme favors the UDCA-producing reaction. Since R. gnavus is a common, core bacterium of the human gut microbiota, these results suggest that this bacterium plays a pivotal role in UDCA formation in the colon. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23729502

 

Chico Esposito,

Please keep us posted. Curious to see if juice fast is the way to go when so many other methods have failed. Hope you feel better.

Day 10 of juice fast, living off 3 quarts of green juice per day, 2 tablespoons of psylium husk, 2 tablespoons of hydrated bentonite clay, lots of water. Everything going smoothly, my eyes are starting to go white again as they were bloodshot before the fast, the red veins are disappearing in the whites of my eyes.... and i feel much better internally. Still have only gone the toilet twice, that needs to be rectified, but going well. My hair looks to be in better shape and body odour has dissipated somewhat.

Day 14 of juice fast, 3 quarts of juice, 2 quarts of watermelon juice, 1 quart of Apple, ginger, celery, spinach, lemon juice. Weight starting to stabilise, after losing weight in the last few days, seems my metabolism has slowed down. Arise and shine Bentonite clay has arrived and it replaces the more watery Yerba prima bentonite clay in my shakes. Instead of rice milk i've been using almond milk in my P & B shakes today. Feeling good, skin is still in better condition than pre fast, really a walk in the park today.

Chico, haven't you attempted this juice fasting before? If I recall, the side effects all but cleared, but only as long as you stayed on the fast. It's just like not eating/limiting your intake to exclude grains/large portions etc. As long as you do that, your side effects almost completely disappear. But the second you start eating/start eating the wrong things/too much, they all come flooding back.

Correct me if I'm wrong and you're doing something new now.

I'm interested in a way to adopt a fast-like regimen that doesn't totally destroy your lifestyle. Unfortunately, I'm pretty defeated in looking for one. Seems the only option is to do what Joseph here does, and find what works for you, such a small portion of rice and VERY lean meat also in small quantity.

For whatever reason.. Things that have almost zero nutrition/other ingredients are the best to use, like white rice. I find that even most multivitamins wreak havoc with my body and I have to be extremely careful about what I put into it. **Cardio/exercise also really does help- it reduces inflammation and is just refreshing for brain fog/depression/anxiety.

A a female i was required to be on 2 forms of birth control with accutane and i did the pill and condoms. despite consistent and what i thought was perfect use i am pregnant. i have been told that abortion is the best option because there is almost no chance that it will be normal. i have been on accutane for 5 months taking 80mg a day. obviously i stopped as soon as i found out. what are the statistics for accutane babies? i know it isnt good but i know i cant get real answers from my dermatologist

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80mg a day? what the fuck? why a so high dosage.. I got extreme side effect for 5 years even after stopping with only 30mg.

Isotretinoin (accutane) turn into tretinoin by isomerization in the body who regulate "GENE EXPRESSION during growth and development, and in NEOPLASMS. Tretinoin, also known as retinoic acid and derived from maternal VITAMIN A, is essential for normal GROWTH; and EMBRYONIC DEVELOPMENT. An excess of tretinoin can be teratogenic.
Tretinoin binds to and activates retinoic acid receptors (RARs), thereby inducing changes in gene expression that lead to cell differentiation, decreased cell proliferation, and inhibition of tumorigenesis. This agent also inhibits telomerase, resulting in telomere shortening and eventual apoptosis of some tumor cell types. The oral form of tretinoin has teratogenic and embryotoxic properties."

Maybe your body is strong enough to handle the poison but its not sure, so its your choice.

Anonyy,

What kind of symptoms did you experience? Did you symptoms eventually disappear?

80mg a day? what the fuck? why a so high dosage.. I got extreme side effect for 5 years even after stopping with only 30mg.

Isotretinoin (accutane) turn into tretinoin by isomerization in the body who regulate "GENE EXPRESSION during growth and development, and in NEOPLASMS. Tretinoin, also known as retinoic acid and derived from maternal VITAMIN A, is essential for normal GROWTH; and EMBRYONIC DEVELOPMENT. An excess of tretinoin can be teratogenic.
Tretinoin binds to and activates retinoic acid receptors (RARs), thereby inducing changes in gene expression that lead to cell differentiation, decreased cell proliferation, and inhibition of tumorigenesis. This agent also inhibits telomerase, resulting in telomere shortening and eventual apoptosis of some tumor cell types. The oral form of tretinoin has teratogenic and embryotoxic properties."

Maybe your body is strong enough to handle the poison but its not sure, so its your choice.

Yes I explain how i cured them in previous post.

Gotcha. Did these symptoms gradually peak in those 5 years or did they all came on relatively quickly

Yes I explain how i cured them in previous post.

A a female i was required to be on 2 forms of birth control with accutane and i did the pill and condoms. despite consistent and what i thought was perfect use i am pregnant. i have been told

that abortion is the best option because there is

almost no chance that it will be normal. i have been on accutane for 5 months taking 80mg a day. obviously i stopped as soon as i found out. what are the statistics for accutane babies? i know it isnt good but i know i cant get real answers from my dermatologist

I will pm you, but they are correct when then state abortion!

Yes it was getting worse everyday after stopping the treatment, stable and not that extreme while i was on it.

Hi, Im doing Accutane in about 1 week.

I was wondering if taking Hyaluronic Acid (in the form of BAXYL) would be beneficial, or if it would hinder Accutane from doing its job in clearing me. Does BAXYL effect oil production on the skin?

Yes it was getting worse everyday after stopping the treatment, stable and not that extreme while i was on it.

HI Anonyy can you please tell me how much calcium d glucarate you took daily?

 

Yes it was getting worse everyday after stopping the treatment, stable and not that extreme while i was on it.

HI Anonyy can you please tell me how much calcium d glucarate you took daily?

2 or 3 times 500mg.

Hi, Im doing Accutane in about 1 week.

 

 

I was wondering if taking Hyaluronic Acid (in the form of BAXYL) would be beneficial, or if it would hinder Accutane from doing its job in clearing me. Does BAXYL effect oil production on the skin?

Don't worry about oil production, your sebaceous glands will be 100% destroyed. Your largest detoxification emunctory who is the skin will be shutdown, you will not have acne anymore but all the toxins will build up in your body.

so, is there anyone who've ACTUALLY recovered from the long term damage? i'd really like to know . it's been too long since i've started suffering. doesn't seem real. i didn't intend my life to be this way. quite sad really. i'm smarter now though. smart in a sense not to take any drugs from any doctor ever again unless its some kind of crisis situation. or even over the counter drugs. really should've said no to drugs as we've always been taught. legal drugs or not.

I'm wondering the same thing. Even more so, I'm interested in the progression of symptoms. I would really appreciate it if a few people can share how their symptoms progressed. Did all symptoms come on suddenly? Did they come and go, and then gradually progressed? etc.

4 months post accutane. I'm still having the following issues (note. None of these issues occurred while on the drug)

1). Light color stool. Semi-Loose Stool. Farting, stomach gurgling, possible intestinal inflammation etc.. Basically, indigestion and mild IBS like symptoms

2). Mild Muscle Pain. Mild Joint Pain.

3). Insomnia. Get maybe 3-4hrs per night if I'm lucky.

4). Dry Eyes. 24/7 Dry Mouths

Eating very healthy these days. Taking the usual Vitamins and herbs. Only time will tell where this is going. But would like to know how symptoms progressed with other people.

On 10/11/2013 at 2:15 AM, coolguy said:

so, is there anyone who've ACTUALLY recovered from the long term damage? i'd really like to know [Edited image out]. it's been too long since i've started suffering. doesn't seem real. i didn't intend my life to be this way. quite sad really. i'm smarter now though. smart in a sense not to take any drugs from any doctor ever again unless its some kind of crisis situation. or even over the counter drugs. really should've said no to drugs as we've always been taught. legal drugs or not.

 

Yes it was getting worse everyday after stopping the treatment, stable and not that extreme while i was on it.

HI Anonyy can you please tell me how much calcium d glucarate you took daily?

 

2 or 3 times 500mg.

 

>>Hi, Im doing Accutane in about 1 week.

 

 

I was wondering if taking Hyaluronic Acid (in the form of BAXYL) would be beneficial, or if it would hinder Accutane from doing its job in clearing me. Does BAXYL effect oil production on the skin?

Don't worry about oil production, your sebaceous glands will be 100% destroyed. Your main detoxification emunctory who is the skin will be shutdown, you will not have acne anymore but all the toxins will build up in your body.

Well.. Thats not true. Stop talking like everybody reacts the same to Accutane. Isn't that your goal to convey. Don't shortcut your message with a lie..

Yes, there are a lot of people having bad side effects, but that's the exception, not the rule.

What are you talking about? Accutane shrink the sebaceous gland, its admited, read the notice. And for the emunctory thing it's just the base of human physiology.
It's just retarded to fix an emunctory elimination of toxins by shrinking your own body instead of helping him to get rid of them. But if you want to potentially destroy your health for some button it's your choice.
Side effect affect everyone but some people are more resistant yes.
I think that the people who got the most extreme side effect was people who took antibiotics acne drug before accutane.

What are you talking about? Accutane shrink the sebaceous gland, its admited, read the notice. And for the emunctory thing it's just the base of human physiology.

It's just retarded to fix an emunctory elimination of toxins by shrinking your own body instead of helping him to get rid of them. But if you want to potentially destroy your health for some button it's your choice.

Side effect affect everyone but some people are more resistant yes.

I think that the people who got the most extreme side effect was people who took antibiotics acne drug before accutane.

That wasn't exactly what you wrote though..

I havent been much out (and I mean VERY rarely) becuase of my acne, as I have had for about 7 years. Its painful for me, because I would easily have been a 9 out of 10, if not for acne.

I would love to hear your suggestions for alternative acne for life treatments, but unfortunately there is none..

On 10/11/2013 at 3:26 AM, Ballen said:

On 10/11/2013 at 3:02 AM, anonyy said:

What are you talking about? Accutane shrink the sebaceous gland, its admited, read the notice. And for the emunctory thing it's just the base of human physiology.

It's just retarded to fix an emunctory elimination of toxins by shrinking your own body instead of helping him to get rid of them. But if you want to potentially destroy your health for some button it's your choice.

Side effect affect everyone but some people are more resistant yes.

I think that the people who got the most extreme side effect was people who took antibiotics acne drug before accutane.

That wasn't exactly what you wrote though..

I havent been much out (and I mean VERY rarely) becuase of my acne, as I have had for about 7 years. Its painful for me, because I would easily have been a 9 out of 10, if not for acne.

I would love to hear your suggestions for alternative acne for life treatments, but unfortunately there is none.. [Edited image out]

Of course we are here to heal ourselves from the poison accutane.

You have to stop dairy and gluten first (even the gluten from corn) and if that doesnt fix the problem do liver flushs (the andreas moritz one). You can try emunctory detox herbs like milk thistle.

Someone posted this video who resume well:

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On 9/29/2013 at 6:38 PM, anonyy said:

Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.

Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.

You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK.

While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back [Edited image out]

** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.

PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.

I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.

Great to hear this worked! Can you explain it more in a step-wise way? Did you do the liver flush for X number of days, then the kidney flush, then 7 days of isotherapy? What can and can't you eat on the isotherapy?

On 10/11/2013 at 9:42 AM, shadeo14 said:

On 9/29/2013 at 6:38 PM, anonyy said:

Guys are you serious. I've already told you how to flush out this accutane.

Accutane is expelled via the bile, the best thing to expell all the bile without reabsorption is the liver flush by andreas moritz.

You do 6-10 liver flush, 1-2 kidney cleanse and then you do the homeopathic isotherapy like this (i did it in the morning, 30 min before eating) day 1: 30K, day 3: 200K, day 5: XM, day 7: XMK.

While doing this isotherapy you need to take 7+day fermented kombucha (who potentially contain udp-glucuronic acid & glucaric acid) + 1 supplement of calcium-d-glucarate (1-2gr 3times per day) + food (artichoke) or supplement (chondroitin, artichoke extract) who contain glucuronic acid (facultative) + a lot of fiber (eat only fruit & vegs**), we can add: psyllium, bentonite, charcoal to prevent reabsorption. This isotherapy isn't easy cause it will bring all the symptoms back for 1-3 weeks but it will be fucking magical to get your old body back [Edited image out]

** I've took 20ml of olive oil + 20ml lemon juice after eat some fruits and psyllium+bentonite+charcoal to expell all the bile every morning.

PS: I think it's a good idea to have a good stock of real vitamin A & vitamin D (from sun exposure) before doing the isotherapy, that's what i did, i've eat some carrots & took red ice skate liver oil.

I don't know if it's matter but i've took nux vomica (at the same dosage) 10min after the isotherapic isotretinoin.

Great to hear this worked! Can you explain it more in a step-wise way? Did you do the liver flush for X number of days, then the kidney flush, then 7 days of isotherapy? What can and can't you eat on the isotherapy?

I can't tell if i did it the best way but i did first one kidney flush (3week) and then 10 liver flush. the next day of the 10th flush i started the isotherapy.

I avoided dairy & gluten and took only a little bit of chicken & eggs (only cook with water to not oxyde the cholesterol). best thing is to eat only fruit & vegetables.

For the olive oil + citrus in the morning it's really your choice for the method, cause the isotherapy work for 6weeks so you can do it only 1/2 week or only with low dose everyday or every two day, i took a dose who doesnt cause fatigue for me.

For the calcium-d-glucarate it's better to only take 500mg 2 or 3times i think, when i took more i was a little bit tired.

Guys, I know there are 187 pages of posts at this point, but please stop asking the same questions over and over again.

This thread is littered with answers and symptoms and stories and a list of what works and what doesn't (Spoiler alert: diet works 99% of the time).

Try reading before you post more questions, and any questions in reference to what someone else posted can either be directly quoted here or you can PM the author.

Thanks