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This liver supp looks interesting, it has NAC which increases sulfation and glutathione conjugation, CoQ10 which is a powerful fat soluble antioxidant, Alpha lipoic acid which is both a fat soluble and water soluble antioxidant that protects cells and the liver from damage. Hawthorn berry for the circulation system and heart health, celery seed for the kidneys, saw palmetto just for cameroz, Quercetin which is a powerful flavonoid. Same-e which increases the methylation pathway in the liver, bupleurum powder which is a very bitter herb that increases bile flow substantially...it's actually one of the two ingredients in chinese bitters alongside gentian. The last ingredient is TUDCA which protects against glucuronidation induced cholestasis. So all round liver protection and it's well dosed.
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This liver supp looks interesting, it has NAC which increases sulfation and glutathione conjugation, CoQ10 which is a powerful fat soluble antioxidant, Alpha lipoic acid which is both a fat soluble and water soluble antioxidant that protects cells and the liver from damage. Hawthorn berry for the circulation system and heart health, celery seed for the kidneys, saw palmetto just for cameroz, Quercetin which is a powerful flavonoid. Same-e which increases the methylation pathway in the liver, bupleurum powder which is a very bitter herb that increases bile flow substantially...it's actually one of the two ingredients in chinese bitters alongside gentian. The last ingredient is TUDCA which protects against glucuronidation induced cholestasis. So all round liver protection and it's well dosed.
I really like your approach to this problem. You know Chico, I don't think Cam. can see this eye-watering content anymore. I think he respected most of the people here and he appreciated their plight. I have spent a lot of time here anonymously, and I know you guys quite well. If I were to hazard a guess; I'd say he felt most of the people here were fine, but, perhaps a couple of the more prolific posters should have spent more time devoted to their pantomime street artistry. I really couldn't help myself, I just had to have a mousey profile pic.
Hahaha, only you Chico could attempt to claim credit for the lifting of the thin veil on the OBVIOUS hints that I, in fact, lifted. You know my next clue was going to be a hard-boiled egg. I will leave you guys in peace; I really needed to be banned. My last instance of hysterics was induced by Underground (sorry bro), when he claimed that perhaps pharma could improve UDCA for us. I have had too much chicken lately, but, I can't promise I will not get a hankering again in the very distant future; as I similarly, can't promise that the farmer won't turn a blind eye to the fox in the chikcen coop, AGAIN.
This thread has become pretty useless for most of us because of the trolls and doesn't seem to be going anywhere to be honest.
I disagree, I have made great progress the past two months thanks to this thread. At least one other person is progressing too.
Ever thought about certain folks having an interest to close down this thread???
Also I don't really know what you are doing on this thread, it appears that you actually can't wait to get on accutane:
This thread has become pretty useless for most of us because of the trolls and doesn't seem to be going anywhere to be honest.
I disagree, I have made great progress the past two months thanks to this thread. At least one other person is progressing too.
Ever thought about certain folks having an interest to close down this thread???
Also I don't really know what you are doing on this thread, it appears that you actually can't wait to get on accutane:
I'm glad you're progressing, but I'm on this thread to learn both sides. Some of the posts just seem to ramble and shoot random comments. Other people who haven't been on Accutane have come to learn from this thread as well. I've been studying Accutane for a while now and this site has ( more or less ) been very useful to see the positives and negatives of it. I've held off on Accutane for a while in an attempt to try to find the "root" cause, but I have wasted so much time doing so and doctors are quite slow. I've been at this for a long time. I'm asking questions, but still waiting and hesitating to take something like this if there's an option to fix myself.
This thread has become pretty useless for most of us because of the trolls and doesn't seem to be going anywhere to be honest.
I disagree, I have made great progress the past two months thanks to this thread. At least one other person is progressing too.
Ever thought about certain folks having an interest to close down this thread???
Also I don't really know what you are doing on this thread, it appears that you actually can't wait to get on accutane:
I'm glad you're progressing, but I'm on this thread to learn both sides. Some of the posts just seem to ramble and shoot random comments. Other people who haven't been on Accutane have come to learn from this thread as well. I've been studying Accutane for a while now and this site has ( more or less ) been very useful to see the positives and negatives of it. I've held off on Accutane for a while in an attempt to try to find the "root" cause, but I have wasted so much time doing so and doctors are quite slow. I've been at this for a long time. I'm asking questions, but still waiting and hesitating to take something like this if there's an option to fix myself.
Get off gluten (better even all overly starchy foods), sugars. Reduce inflammation in your body and boost your body's ability to recover and heal itself. Increasing the speed at which wound healing occurs takes you a long way. The root cause will be some combination of hormone and immune system imbalance due to genetics, environmental polutants such as heavy metals and pesticides, eating the wrong foods etc.
I read onwards and found someone suggesting nattokinase as a treatment - a blood thinner to reduce blood viscosity. Nattokinase - I know that substance well. I'd already researched it when looking at ways to correct a likely vitamin K2 deficiency in my diet. I'd even scoured Chinese grocery stores a half dozen times looking for it.
Drinking lemon juice on empty stomach in the mornings is a natural blood thinner that reduces blood viscosity as well. I used continually for about 3 years and started again recently.
The problem you have is knowing how to interpret the blood results given that you eat a very extrem diet. If you'd be eating the average american diet you'd know much more.
Checked my blood sedimenation levels, they were never below 2 mm/h (scale says <15 mm/h) that was at the beginning of 2010. In the years prior to that levels of 4, 6 and 4 had been measured.
Regarding CFS I can attest you that most alternative treatment protocols show a lot of resemblance. Look at protocols of people who claim to have been healed and they have a lot in common does not matter whether we are talking about crohn's disease, autism, CFS, IBS, hepatitis the list goes on. Intuitively accutane sufferers have something in common with CFS patients. I am just posting my opinion, straight bro-science. One of the root causes of fatigue in my book is a fucked up liver, it makes people sluggish, takes their drive and motiviation. What does accutane to some people do, it fucks up their liver.
Other markers I would look for are in that order:
1. Cholinesterase - tells you whether the liver is actually doing what it is supposed to
2. IgG - important marker in combination with a lot of other blood markers
3. alkalin phosphatase - elevated levels can point towards pesticide poisoning, all kinds of liver problems
To me intuitively pesticide poisoning and being poisoned with pharmaceuticals is basically the same.
On 7/21/2013 at 11:01 PM, JosephBuchignani said:I read onwards and found someone suggesting nattokinase as a treatment - a blood thinner to reduce blood viscosity.
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"Thinning the blood is one the most important things you can do when you are sick, and juices do that.
Thinning our blood is one the greatest keys to getting healthy. It increases our circulation because the blood becomes more like water than molasses. The bottom line is, juice fasting thins your blood. That allows your circulation to get deeper in your body into the vital areas, into the capillaries that were filled with fat and all clogged-up.
Juice fasting is for the incurables. Juice fasting is the answer, because it allows your body to rest - and it lets your body choose what it wants to heal."
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I'm coming around with fruits and vegetables again, but maybe it's worth a try for you? They speak in month here (1,2,3), I think this could be quite different to a week or two. I wanted to start today actually until I quickly realised I need much more juice a day as I thought to become not hungry, ergo need much more money, everything organic, not cheap. So I decided to give me a liter every morning instead of breakfast as a beginning.
http://www.cncfhope.org/cms_images/file_385.pdf
Keeping ya informed. I ran across this and found it interesting. It's talking about instructions for neuroblastoma patients and pgs 5-7 list side effects. I found it interesting they claim that depression and suicide has only been found in teens and adults with acne on lower dosages. Hmmm...So your more prone to depression and suicide having acne vs cancer?????
Hong Kong government reaffirms UDCA safety in face of primary sclerosing cholangitis study. UDCA remains an OTC drug in Hong Kong, with zero adverse event reports.
Read the press release yourself:
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201112/06/P201112060365.htm
Yes, juicing looks interesting to me. I have a lot of supps to try first, and finishing polyphasic nighttime adaptation. But with the hypersensitivity reduced, it looks more feasible and promising.Re liver tests, alkaline phosphatase was normal, as was bilirubin, AST, ALT, total globulin, IgA. Whatever is happening is pretty invisible on standard diagnostics.Which, as far as I'm concerned, means that if you can successfully treat the symptoms, you've won. There's no underlying condition to treat.
If I understand you correctly you were already on this diet you are still on at the time the blood samples were taken?! No wonder everything is normal. Start eating some foods like sugar, wheat and I am quite sure many of the liver markers would go out of wack.
Hong Kong government reaffirms UDCA safety in face of primary sclerosing cholangitis study. UDCA remains an OTC drug in Hong Kong, with zero adverse event reports.
Read the press release yourself:
http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201112/06/P201112060365.htm
At the end of the day everybody has to decide for him or herself, because UDCA is like any other product marketed. There is a thin line between marketing and science in the pharma industry and just to be clear even if UDCA works and is the best product on the market, the companies selling it only care about their bottom line. This is how the incentive structures of companies are designed. How are you destroying growth prospects and prospective returns for companies selling such a product, by claiming that it is not safe... So what are they doing: They claim the opposite. The doc prescribing the medication often times has little clue about the safety of such a product unless he has been prescribing it for a longer period of time.
Yes, almost the same diet. Maybe you're right... I don't know. Impossible to test, my bowels would give first.
UDCA is not patented by a superpower pharma giant capable of influencing the regulatory / medical industrial complex. It has a long history of use as part of traditional chinese medicine.
For dry skin coconut oil works wonders , among other benefits , also works great for sunburn as I have discovered myself due to over exposure on the weekend.
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/6-healthy-uses-for-coconut-oil.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/041258_coconut_oil_health_benefits_natural_remedies.html
For dry skin coconut oil works wonders , among other benefits , also works great for sunburn as I have discovered myself due to over exposure on the weekend.
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/6-healthy-uses-for-coconut-oil.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/041258_coconut_oil_health_benefits_natural_remedies.html
I have tried coconut oil and I still use it for cooking, but in my case extra virgin olive oil outperfoms coconut oil by an order of magnitude. Put it on before you go to bed.
BTW: Great app to organize and manage information found on the net is Pearltrees. It is available for android, chrome and ios. Really helps to stay on top of things.
Here is a theory regarding how isotretinoin effects cellular mechanisms.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219165/ (1)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3408989/ (2)
It would be good if we had more of these studies...
without reading too much into both, I would say...
(1) suggests how potent a drug isotretinoin is and its effects on critical non-sebacous glan tissues in human body,
(2) shows how diet can help or exacerbate the condition.
Here is a little more info on saw palmetto , the berries of the saw palmetto pland are regarded by folk medicine as a SEXUAL STIMULANT , INCREASING MALE FERTILITY and breast size in women . Pharmacologically saw palmetto is classified as having immune stimulating and ani edema effects . However saw palmetto is most prized for it's ability to reduce enlarge prostate knows as benign prostatic hypertrophy or BHP and to alleviate the pain and inflammation associated with this condition.
According to research published in the British journal of urology , saw palmetto is a potent inhibitor of conversion of testosterone into dht , known to cause rapid multiplication of prostate cells which eventually leads to an lenolaredged prostate gland . In more technical terms , saw palmetto inhibits the enzyme testosterone 5 alpha reductase from transforming healthy testosterone hormones into unhealthy dht , saw palmetto also prevents dht from attaching to prostate cellular receptor sites and so promotes dht breakdown and excretion .
Saw palmetto also acts as an antiseptic and astringent , shrinking inflamed urinary system tissues and stimulating urine flow to expel irritants and toxins. Saw palmetto is considered by many to be the herb of choice for treating cystiis , IMPOTENCE , prostatitis , REDUCED OR ABSENT SEX DRIVE , REVERSING MALE PATTERN BALDING , testicular astrophy and urinary tract infections . Perhaps less well known is th use of saw palmetto for hirsutism excessive body hair in a masculine distribution and virilism development of secondary male sexual characteristics , also knows as pseudohermaphroditism in women.
In 1984 a double blind study was conducted on the ability of saw palmetto berries to fight the hormone imbalance which causes prostate growth . The results printed in the British journal of clinical pharmacology showed saw palmetto had a very significant effect on urine flow of men with benign prostatic hypertrophy BHP symptoms. Further , the results showed saw palmetto proved more effective than the DRUG Proscar which is commonly prescribed for prostate problems.
Due to the presence of steroidal saponins , saw palmetto is considered an anabolic agent , strengthening the building up body tissues and encouraging weight gain . Thus , saw palmetto has gained popularity with body builders and others desiring muscle size and strength , as well as those suffering from general debility , wasting diseases , or failure to thrive.
So you see Saw Palmetto has MANY BENEFITS and that's why I use it. (=
Hi all - I'm not going to read this entire thread, but I want to add my two cents on 5-AR inhibition through saw palmetto. It seems like there are mostly men talking about this. I took this stuff for a month in November 2011, and 20 months later, it's become the worst decision I ever made. Saw palmetto could and probably would be a saving grace for many of you. Nevertheless, I've since learned that inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to DHT is serious business. For a minority of individuals like myself, it has debilitating consequences. You can't know your risk factor for developing sides from taking something like saw palmetto or finasteride. I've had persistent cognitive and sexual side effects that I wouldn't wish upon anyone on this site. I won't tell anyone what to do, but I hope folks will take my example to heart. All the best to you!
P.S. If anyone took saw palmetto and experienced any side effects of any kind, regardless of the duration, PLEASE get in touch with me.
This thread has become pretty useless for most of us because of the trolls and doesn't seem to be going anywhere to be honest.
I disagree, I have made great progress the past two months thanks to this thread. At least one other person is progressing too.
Ever thought about certain folks having an interest to close down this thread???
Also I don't really know what you are doing on this thread, it appears that you actually can't wait to get on accutane:
I'm glad you're progressing, but I'm on this thread to learn both sides. Some of the posts just seem to ramble and shoot random comments. Other people who haven't been on Accutane have come to learn from this thread as well. I've been studying Accutane for a while now and this site has ( more or less ) been very useful to see the positives and negatives of it. I've held off on Accutane for a while in an attempt to try to find the "root" cause, but I have wasted so much time doing so and doctors are quite slow. I've been at this for a long time. I'm asking questions, but still waiting and hesitating to take something like this if there's an option to fix myself.
Get off gluten (better even all overly starchy foods), sugars. Reduce inflammation in your body and boost your body's ability to recover and heal itself. Increasing the speed at which wound healing occurs takes you a long way. The root cause will be some combination of hormone and immune system imbalance due to genetics, environmental polutants such as heavy metals and pesticides, eating the wrong foods etc.
My guess is you haven't seen my past posts on this and that's ok. I have been off these foods for years, including hidden culprits like casein and whey, or hidden glutens. I don't do dairy or wheat. I do fruit sugar. I've taken that away, and this away. My acne has reached a point where it doesn't care. I also heal slow as shit regardless. I think I heal faster eating "normal" foods actually. Also, someone mentioned Blue Ice, but I don't know what that is. I'm aware Accutane is the shittiest shit known to man. But when it makes you bleed all the time, causes pain and depression on top of all other things, it's very difficult to deal with and I know you can probably relate. You can't travel and not worry about it, eat on the go when you absolutely may need to or do other things that may be a part of life. My acne is not severe but it is moderate and very persistent and very damaging to my skin and I'm 25 now.