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Yeah, eggs are a tricky one.I heard that it's a common allergen, but I never had a breakout after eating them, I guess I'm lucky.
Regarding Saccharomyces boulardii, I was taking it for some time, but didn't see any difference at all. I learned recently that those "regular" probitiocs barely get to the gut, andconsequently can't do anything, because they cannot survive due to stomach acid.
Soil based probiotics wok differently, basically they use bacteria from soil that createsspores andseeds the lining of the intestine. They can survive anything, they don't need to berefrigerated like regular probiotics. Supposedly they improve digestion and cure food sensitivities. That's the sell pitch, I'm really looking forward to try and see if it's gonna help.
On 11/1/2019 at 6:57 PM, FrancisG said:Anybody have any updates on how theyre doing? Ive been advised to try accutane but seems like a lot of guys here got this condition after taking accutane?!
Don't go for accutane. It's a temporary solution & it has too many side effects. I think you are on the right track when you talk about restoring gut microbiome.
On 11/5/2019 at 3:09 AM, UnkemptGround said:I've been thinking a lot lately about this thing being just a bacterial infection like @elkhaldesaid( h.pylori), but it looks like it's not, at least in my case. Just received the results from the blood test that I took in the morning, checking the levels of CRP, which is basically used to figure out if there's any infections in the body. I really hoped my valuewould be outside the normal range which could explain acne, butunfortunately it's very well within the normal range, it's just 4.86 mg/L.
On the other hand, I'm acne free on this meat only diet. It was just the first 4-5 days where I was getting new zits, but after that nothing new and the old one faded away. This is really hard and I'm not sure for how long I'll be able to continue with this, I really miss the food.
My new theory about this acne is that is connected to the low stomach acid in the body, which as a result causes indigestion of food and food sensitivity, resulting in acne. I would encourage EVERYONE suffering from this to read this article https://loveleafco.com/blog/baking-soda-stomach-acid-test and take the baking soda test. It's really easy, and if all of you guys havelow stomach acid like I do, we could perhaps figure out this thing.
I'm going to try the tea tree regimen. I feel like my pustules came from demodex. The first time i tried teatree on my face, i broke out but some people said it's normal because of demodex dying. The purging last for a week. My friend with the same condition as me said that i should give it a try for 2 weeks. She's clear now. I also have symptoms like something crawling on my face...
1 hour ago, bachoy97 said:I'm going to try the tea tree regimen. I feel like my pustules came from demodex. The first time i tried teatree on my face, i broke out but some people said it's normal because of demodex dying. The purging last for a week. My friend with the same condition as me said that i should give it a try for 2 weeks. She's clear now. I also have symptoms like something crawling on my face...
I can only wish you good luck. Personally, I don't believe in putting things on my face because:
1) Practically nothing worked for me, and only made my skin worse
2) A fact that things are popping out on other areas of your body indicates a much deeper problem
3) Very strict dietproved that this is an internal problem for me, and must be cured in the gut
However I have never experienced "crawling", but I do frequently have itchy sensation on my scalp. Your problem actually reminds about this. Have you seen it ?
To post my update: I'm on day 6using the new "promising" soil-based probiotics. My skin was pretty much clear when I started taking it, but this all thanks to a very strict diet. I plan today to eat something with dairy just to see if I'm going to break out in the following days.
OK guys, I may have found something, interesting.
Recently, I've been thinking about that I really get itchy quite frequently, on my scalp, on my face, on my legs, on my back, pretty much everywhere, and I was wondering why is that ? It turns out this could be due to fungusovergrowth. That was my clue #1. My clue #2 was when I remembered, that my last lab results shown Candida overgrowth(fungus) was over the limit just a bit and I didn't pay much attention to it because I thought that it wasn't significant.
However, putting those two clues into perspective, it occurred to me that our "acne"(white zits) could be just a result of a fungus infection. I started thinking about the diet that produced amazing results for me: eating just meat and eggs. Most food that we eat such as dairy, gluten, soy andfood rich in sugar, actually feedthe fungus and contributes to its overgrowth. But when we stop taking in that food, we are starving the fungus. You should know that fungus is a normal thing, and everyone has it living on their skin. The problem starts when the fungus overgrowth happen, in some people this leads to infections(read acne). Under normal circumstances, fungus overgrowth should never happen because our bacteria aresupposed to keep it in check. But, in case when this good bacteria is gone, there's nothing to stop fungus from running wild. Antibiotics are a good example of a product that destroysgood bacteria.
So the bottom line is that when you luck abuilt-in mechanism that fights fungus, you end up with a fungus overgrowth and infections.
To continue the story, I found numerous reports of people claiming thatanti-dandruff shampoo helped them in reducing acne, and it's well known thatanti-dandruffshampoos contain ingredients that kill fungus, soI wanted to see that for myself.
A few years ago, my dermatologist recommended me to try avery specific shampooforseborrheic dermatitis, because I had that condition at the time, and all other commercial shampoosdidn't help. This one did helphelp and I used it only two times because it wasn't supposed to be taken often.I remember her saying that it is supposed to treat fungal infections but I didn't know much about that at the time.
A few days ago, I bought that sameshampooand decided to wash my entire facewith it, just to check the theory that my acne are just a fungal infection(I didn't have time to wash the hair with shampoo, but it should be applied there as well). So I washed my face with water, applied the shampoo until my whole face was covered in lather, and waited for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes,rinsed it off. That day, I went to eat so much bad food that usually would cause white zits to appear that day or the day after: pancakes with nutella, coca cola, cheese, cookies, you name it. I continued eating the same food for the next 3-4 days. After initial shampoo wash, I waited 2 days and repeated the process.
Result: It's been 5 days in total since I started eating bad food and using a shampoo on my face. Not a single new pimple did pop out. However, that's not completely true: I noticed there is actually one white zit, but on the spot where I didn't apply the shampoo: inside mynostril lol.
For now, this looks promising but5 days is probably nothing,a month without acne would be a good indicator, so we'll see.
If you're curious about the shampoo in question, a few words about that. The one that I used isbased on 2% Ketoconazole, and that specific productis only available in my country. For US/UK markets I found thatNizoral andDandrazol are basically the same thing. It is also worth mentioning thatKetoconazole based shampoos are only supposed to be taken just 2 or 3 times a week and not for longer periods of time, as it becomes ineffective.
I conducted an experiment.
One one side I used tea tree oil, manuka oil and neem oil. This is via a cream Amberley Aromatics. I selected this as it was closest to what I managed the condition successfully with years ago before a manufacturer withdrawn their product.
On the other, gladskin (gel). This was very dry, so I also bought the cream. The cream contains paraffin and vaseline so doesn't have the dryness problem, but I had more pustules. So I used the gel instead and combined it with shea butter, then more recently the past few days calendula as before.
So I have 2 different treatments on different sides of the face and you would expect to see a difference, right? Well no! The results on both sides of the face have been very similar... with flare ups and clear days being very closely matched! This suggests to me that topical treatments only play a minor part.
I have been taking a lot of fish oil recently with Omega 3s and this seems to calm things a lot, and doubled down on ommitting processed food. I'm taking 6 a day at the moment, which is a lot. As ever, no dairy, sugar, wheat, gluten.
Keep a spreadsheet and experiment with dual treatments on either side of the face, I feel this is a far more enlightening approach to finding out what works for you, but also gives me more feedback on what I'm eating too.
Again, once you start thinking of this as perioral dermatitis and/or rosacea, rather than acne - the sooner you will come to realise there is no specific cure for an individual and trial/error is your pathway to a resolution.
BTW, from what I've been told- PD is aggravated by occulusive topical treatments. So this means vaseline or mineral oils (paraffin based). This is perhaps why Gladskin cream performed more poorly compared to Gladskin gel. Again, this is just me and your experience may differ. But after a few days of Gladskin gel, my skin was becoming so dry it started to crack and peel - a big problem which brought with it the return of pustules.
Now things have stabilised I would say Gladskin gel + a moisturiser is marginally more effective than the tea tree / manuka / neem. But finding a moisturiser that doesn't undo the work of the gel is also a minefield too. Again, this is why you must log and experiment, giving time for each combination to run it's course.
Going forward I'm not sure I will buy Gladskin again as it's not exactly a "cure", but I will try without the gel and just the moisturiser within the next month, at present I feel I will go back to calendula. Gladskin is both expensive and the need to put it in the fridge is a pain. But also because I feel the problem is internal, not on the skin surface... which brings us back to a strict diet.
Regarding fungal infections, bear in mind that there are different strains which effect different parts of the body.
So... an infection on the scalp doesn't mean it will spread to the torso, and vice versa.
I'm quite prone to fungal infections but have never had atheletes foot, only infection on the torso (chest).
Fungal infections on the scalp tend to result in hair loss so are quite clear.
I have tried nizoral (ketoconzaole) shampoo because it helps with psoriasis, which I have. But it contains sodium lauryl sulfate which is a big no-no for perioral dermatitis, though I didn't find it made it worse, but it was very drying which was a problem. It certainly didn't help either. I believe several people have tried it without success, but great news if it works for you!
You should look into psoriasis as this is often an itchy condition (back, neck, face, etc.) caused by overgrowth and excess skin cells. There is a wondeful book on amazon that you can get called "healing psoriasis", I largely cured mine simply by avoiding certains foods.
However, I consider is a separate condition to the white pustules. Since PD is an unusual autoimmune / inflammation condition which nobody truly understands, there is often crossover with other conditions. I've seen a PD + psoriasis case in the past week, with psoriasis on the forehead.
I received this info from Gladskin when I made an enquiry, about if it is suitable for folliculitis or PD, and which product might be suitable. The eczema version is the most suitable, as it is the strongest....
Good afternoon, We have not yet developed specific products for treating folliculitis and perioral dermatitis respectively. However, since the Staphylococcus aureus bacteria (including MSRA) are frequently found in folliculitis, Staphefekt can help reduce folliculitis symptoms. For treating folliculitis, we advise you to try Gladskin Eczema Gel or Cream, since this product line contains the highest concentration of Staphefekt (C2.5). Although the cause of perioral dermatitis is not yet entirely clear, it is possible that the Staphylococcus aureus bacterium can cause (secondary) inflammation and aggravate symptoms. In that case Gladskin could help prevent the inflammation. Since perioral dermatitis has characteristics of both acne and rosacea, we would recommend Gladskin Rosacea Gel or Cream. If you suffer from both folliculitis and perioral dermatitis, we suggest to choose Gladskin Eczema Gel or Cream since Eczema products contain a higher concentration of Staphefekt (C2.5) than the Rosacea products (C2.4). The Cream is developed for dry skin, whilst the Gel is designed for more oily skin or skin that is intolerant to any of the ingredients in our creams. If you have dry skin, we usually recommend the Cream, as the Gel can feel a bit unpleasant. In case you decide to use the Gel, we advise you to keep using your own usual moisturiser in addition. However, it is important that you allow Gladskin to act on the skin for at least 10 minutes before applying any other products, since the certain ingredients (e.g. acids and alcohol) of other skin care products can adversely affect the efficacy of Gladskin. Kind regards, Elvira | Gladskin
Gladskin will be effective if you have a staph infection. If its not been immediately effective for you then that suggests its not a staph related issue which allows you to rule out that bacteria at least.
Have you looked into FMT as I totally agree these conditions stem from the internal and that topical solutions seem to be temporary for everyone in this thread.
23 hours ago, acnocalypse said:Fungal infections on the scalp tend to result in hair loss so are quite clear.
Well, actually, I am experiencing hair loss for years, but not in a way that I'm going bald, hair grows again, it's just that if falls off easily.Same thing with the eyebrows, they fall of very easily. I've been told by the doctor that's a symptom of Hashimoto's(thyroid), but nobody ever mentioned fungal infection. I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
I'd expectfungal infection to bring some kind of rashes on other parts of the body. I do get itchy frequently, but there are no signs of any redness, my skin is pretty much clear in the itchy areas(expect for the face).
Anyway, I don't really know ifketoconzaole helped me at all regarding whitepustules, because as I wrote before, I've also been taking new probiotic at the same time, it could be that. I am aware that any topical solution would be just temporary,if they help at all, and we must cure this internally.
The reality is, since I washed my face withketoconzaole, I only had one pustule, and that's inside the nostril. Also, keep in mind thatNizoral is %1ketoconzaole, and I was taking a product with 2%, if that makes any difference.
FrancisG - Gladskin tell me it may take a while to work, though my condition has generally improved as it did before - but I have a very strict diet now.
Unkemptground - fungal infections tend to be more light brown patches radiating out with a light coloured centre, though this may be difficult to see if hair is there. They will be red of course if you have been scratching, either deliberately or without realising it.
Fecal transplant is interesting. I've seen lots of people on here mention it and are optimistic about it's potential results, but none have actually gone through with it yet? Certainly other health problems could all point back to the gut, beyond just this skin condition as several us appear to have other problems too. However for me personally I don't believe it's available on our health service so am unlikely to be the guinea pig just yet...
I see you guys mentioningFecal transplants as a possible cure, but isn't that possible to be a candidate for only if you have some kind of known bacteria infection ? We don't even know what we are suffering from(most of us). Not to mention the report of a person dying from this procedure.
On 11/30/2019 at 7:38 PM, UnkemptGround said:I see you guys mentioningFecal transplants as a possible cure, but isn't that possible to be a candidate for only if you have some kind of known bacteria infection ? We don't even know what we are suffering from(most of us). Not to mention the report of a person dying from this procedure.
FMT seems to be the only hope as of now. Most of the people here have reported how their gut affects this condition. Eating a certain diet keeps it under control while getting a bit off the track makes this condition go haywire. And I also read about the case in which the patient died after FMT but in his case the donor wasn't screened properly and was suffering from an infection himself. I would havefor this treatment today only as it can be a life saverbut hospitals here in India haven't really started utilising this technique. Also finding a right donor is a tedious and embarrasing task. Still I'm in hunt for a clinic in India or abroad which has a good deal of experience in utilising this technique.
1 hour ago, rebelheart said:FMT seems to be the only hope as of now. Most of the people here have reported how their gut affects this condition. Eating a certain diet keeps it under control while getting a bit off the track makes this condition go haywire. And I also read about the case in which the patient died after FMT but in his case the donor wasn't screened properly and was suffering from an infection himself. I would havefor this treatment today only as it can be a life saverbut hospitals here in India haven't really started utilising this technique. Also finding a right donor is a tedious and embarrasing task. Still I'm in hunt for a clinic in India or abroad which has a good deal of experience in utilising this technique.
Well I'm right with you - this is a gut issue without a question. It's just that I don't see how can you qualify for a such procedure just by having acne, you must be diagnosed with something first, no ?
Since the discussion of fungals come up often, you may wish to try these:
Lotrimin Ultra
or
Lotrimin AF
These are the top two that work in the PD group. As ever, this only works for a portion of people, much like the things that work for only a portion of individuals on here.Lotrimin Ultra isButenafine Hydrochloride which I've never tried. Lotrimin AF appears to be similar to canesten cream (didn't work for me). However, the other ingredients may be a factor, as we know that certain topical ingredients will make it worse, even if there is a positive base ingredient present.
As before, this does not mean you have a fungal problem, in the same way antibiotics success does not mean it's a bacterial problem either.
Apparently antibiotics are effective in treating PD not necessarily because they are treating bacteria, but because of an antiinflammtory effect. Anti-inflammatory steroid cream is very effective - sadly it's about the worse thingyou can use as when treatment is stop it comes back with a vengeance. If it wasn't for that, it would be a welcome diagnostic tool to confirm PD (I think it is also effective with Rosacea) - but it's certainly not an experiment I recommend.
Thanks, but I've decided to stop usinganti-fungal medicine, used the shampoo only two times because it really started to flake the skin, it wasn't anything major and my skin went back to normal 3-4 days after, but I want to see what's going to happen next. I really do have great success, and I'm starting to think that it might have something to do with the probiotic after all. My digestion issues are significantly smaller. I eat every day junk food and don't have any breakouts which is really a miracle. My forehead is still however very oily, this didn't change a bit, but no really white zits in sight.
On 12/1/2019 at 8:27 PM, UnkemptGround said:Thanks, but I've decided to stop usinganti-fungal medicine, used the shampoo only two times because it really started to flake the skin, it wasn't anything major and my skin went back to normal 3-4 days after, but I want to see what's going to happen next. I really do have great success, and I'm starting to think that it might have something to do with the probiotic after all. My digestion issues are significantly smaller. I eat every day junk food and don't have any breakouts which is really a miracle. My forehead is still however very oily, this didn't change a bit, but no really white zits in sight.
Which probiotics were you using?
3 hours ago, FrancisG said:Which probiotics were you using?
This one.I came across that one while I was looking for reviews of people that had their hashimoto's symptoms improved. It's only been 3 weeks, so it's really too soon to tell.
On 12/3/2019 at 6:27 PM, UnkemptGround said:This one.I came across that one while I was looking for reviews of people that had their hashimoto's symptoms improved. It's only been 3 weeks, so it's really too soon to tell.
Are you completely clear after starting consumption if this probiotic?
On 12/2/2019 at 12:24 AM, UnkemptGround said:Well I'm right with you - this is a gut issue without a question. It's just that I don't see how can you qualify for a such procedure just by having acne, you must be diagnosed with something first, no ?
Yes, that's true but I am sure once we get our whole digestive system diagnosed, something will come up which willjustify this treatment.
1 hour ago, rebelheart said:Are you completely clear after starting consumption if this probiotic?
After I think around 12-14 days, there hasn't been a single new white zit. I rarely had any other acne types, so can't speak for that.
1 hour ago, rebelheart said:Yes, that's true but I am sure once we get our whole digestive system diagnosed, something will come up which willjustify this treatment.
Yeah, that's the right approach, wish you luck.
I start using probiotic last week
kaifr with milk
no more breakout
Gralic with yoghurt
now 2 weeks without ant breakout
I will continue and give you feedback soon
That's great to hear @elkhalde.
So, you've been drinking milk kefir, did you prepare it yourself or just bought a ready one from the store ?
You also mentioned Garlic with yogurt ? Is that some kind of sauce that you made or?
On 12/10/2019 at 5:42 AM, UnkemptGround said:That's great to hear @elkhalde.
So, you've been drinking milk kefir, did you prepare it yourself or just bought a ready one from the store ?
You also mentioned Garlic with yogurt ? Is that some kind of sauce that you made or?
I prepare by my self at home
you can use any kind if milk
because no more Lactose will remain in the milk if use milk with kefir
you can use also Goat milk or cows
you can found Kefir In amazon
many saler are there
then open youtube to watch thousands of videos how to make kefir
any one ask what is kafir
please read this tobic
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/9-health-benefits-of-kefir
and here the benefits of Garlic with youghrt
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Can I ask you guys?
any one was use anti histamine
midicines for long term ?
I used Toplexilfor 10 Years evey night
any one used anti histamine medicine?
May be my Histamine high range
How is your sleeping at night?
Do you sleep deep at night ?
please this is very important to me ?