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On 8/4/2016 at 3:17 PM, SkinDeeply said:Oh, honey
. Hugs for you.
It sounds to me like you've stumbled into some dark territory (i.e. Orthorexia). Trust me, you wouldn't be the first around here. I've been there myself.
When our bodies are broken as they are, they're in a constant state of environmental confusion--they no longer know what they're fighting anymore, and therefore it feels like anything you put into it can be a potential "enemy". It's like you no longer have a working definition of what "healthy food" means. And all of a sudden, something that you're biologically wired to derive pleasure from instead begins inducing fear. This cognitive dissonance can be incredibly destructive.
Even though we're all here on these forums with the best intentions, it can sometimes feel like the blind leading the blind when it comes to nutrition and acne. I'm not sure where you live, but if you like, I'd be happy to help you locate a holistic/functional nutrition counselor in your area (or even over skype) that can set you up with the best tools and resources for your specific needs--body, mind, and spirit.
i was like this a few years asgo. I didn't know it had a name.
Hi there. I have gone through what I call food phobia 3 years ago but which I just learned is orthorexia. Let me tell you just s little about my expirence. Like you and a lot of us, Iread about nutrition but was never sure what triggered my acne. Gluten and dairy I cut out, then sugar, then coffee and tea, then meats...until I was left eating rice cakes and almond butter and crying at Mc Donald's cause everybody seemed to be having a good time but me. AND I STILL HAD ACNE..
The more I cut out, the worse my acne got. I didn't know about things like antioxidants and glycemic index so even though I was losing weight and starving myself, I still wasn't eating right. People went from telling me I looked good( I wasn't overweight to begin with but people love skinny) to asking if I'm OK to telling me to just eat, for Gods sake.
The mental anguish was too much and along with my anxiety disorder I ended up suicidal and went to a mental hospital. It took about a year, counselling and getting on meds to get me somewhat normal.
I developed mono, osteoporosis and an ear disorder as a result of rapid weight loss. My hair and nails were thinning too.
These days, I avoid only about 5 foods that I know break me out and guess what, they aren't great for you in general. Dairy, aspartame, MSG, a few fruits that give me hives, and certain cooking oils. I now believe that eating good foods is as important as not eating " bad" ones. I treated my hormone imbalance ( I've been on yaz birth control and Spiro for three months, huge improvement) and try to keep my inflammation levels low. Stress= inflammation.
Im done with being terrified of eating, now if I want to have a glass of wine or a cupcake I do. I'm going to give you ablonk that helped me immensely, I don't recommend you obsess over food but this gives you an idea of what's actually beneficial.
http://supernaturalacnetreatment.com/
I wish you peace of mind and a recovery.
4 hours ago, snarkygirl said:i was like this a few years asgo. I didn't know it had a name.Hi there. I have gone through what I call food phobia 3 years ago but which I just learned is orthorexia. Let me tell you just s little about my expirence. Like you and a lot of us, Iread about nutrition but was never sure what triggered my acne. Gluten and dairy I cut out, then sugar, then coffee and tea, then meats...until I was left eating rice cakes and almond butter and crying at Mc Donald's cause everybody seemed to be having a good time but me. AND I STILL HAD ACNE..
The more I cut out, the worse my acne got. I didn't know about things like antioxidants and glycemic index so even though I was losing weight and starving myself, I still wasn't eating right. People went from telling me I looked good( I wasn't overweight to begin with but people love skinny) to asking if I'm OK to telling me to just eat, for Gods sake.
The mental anguish was too much and along with my anxiety disorder I ended up suicidal and went to a mental hospital. It took about a year, counselling and getting on meds to get me somewhat normal.
I developed mono, osteoporosis and an ear disorder as a result of rapid weight loss. My hair and nails were thinning too.
These days, I avoid only about 5 foods that I know break me out and guess what, they aren't great for you in general. Dairy, aspartame, MSG, a few fruits that give me hives, and certain cooking oils. I now believe that eating good foods is as important as not eating " bad" ones. I treated my hormone imbalance ( I've been on yaz birth control and Spiro for three months, huge improvement) and try to keep my inflammation levels low. Stress= inflammation.
Im done with being terrified of eating, now if I want to have a glass of wine or a cupcake I do. I'm going to give you ablonk that helped me immensely, I don't recommend you obsess over food but this gives you an idea of what's actually beneficial.http://supernaturalacnetreatment.com/
I wish you peace of mind and a recovery.
Thanks a lot! I'm trying really really hard to get rid of this thing. Maybe i'll get help from a doctor.
15 hours ago, SkinDeeply said:Can I ask what caused you to continue eliminating foods after cutting out dairy, when your skin was 95% clear? Was it just to knock out that remaining 5% or was it a fear that the acne would return?
Your daily caloric intake is frighteningly low, my dear (though I'm sure you already know that). You are on your way to severe malnutrition if you continue like this. I'm guessing you are 15-18 years old? Your brain needs lots of healthy fats right now--they are what coat your myelin sheaths and keep your mind peaceful and focused. Depending on your average activity levels, you should aim for at least 2,000 calories a day to get back to your healthy weight. Personally, I need between 2,000 and 2,100 to keep from losing weight--and you and I have about the same frame (though my happy weight is between 115-118). Count calories if you need to, but make sure you get enough by the end of the day.
You are probably at the age where you won't see an immediate problem with fructose and refined sugars, but overtime, your body will certainly begin to turn on you if you continue consuming them, so it's good to start avoiding them as young as possible.
That said, organic fruits (they have less sugar content than GMO fruit) are perfectly fine and healthy for your body and skin. Lots of acne sufferers cannot tolerate citrus fruits, so I would advise eating those only in moderation. But you shouldn't need to avoid them completely unless you've confirmed they trigger a breakout (oranges and grapefruit tend to be the most common triggers).
The dairy that just about everyone cannot tolerate on some level is "A1 dairy". Unless you are lactose intolerant, what you are reacting to is the protein in dairy called casein--but only A1 casein is a problem. Most of the milk sold to us comes from Holstein cows (they are the black and white cows). However, "A2 dairy" is perfectly tolerable for the vast majority of people. Goat's milk and Sheep's milk is A2. And believe it or not, they're actually more delicious and creamy than cow's milk. Cheeses and butters that are made with goat and sheep's milk are also fine (and super yummy). So don't worry, you don't have to give up pizza forever! Just make it with goat cheese instead of cow cheese.
I'm going to include a few great safe and easy recipes that you can try out at home and will hopefully add some more variety to your diet (and meat to your bones!). I also made up a list of foods that would be good to add to your diet. Your body and skin will thank you for it as you age--trust me
Some final food for thought (see what I did there?): Try not to focus on what you are being œdeprived of in your new diet. Because most of these things are hurting our bodies. Even if your friends can still eat these foods right now (like the pizza you mentioned), that won™t last long. Even if they never get acne, their bodies will eventually start failing them in other ways--whether it™s diabetes, hypothyroidism, heart disease, weight gain, wrinkles, alzheimer's etc.. We want to be eating for health because we love our body and want to take care of it. Try to change your mindset to one of self-love. You are caring for yourself because you and your body deserve it. There are so many fresh and delicious foods out there for you that your body is craving, and many of them you™ve probably never even tried because you were eating all that boring processed stuff. Think of this as an opportunity for growth and exploration. In that way, your friends who are still eating that boring old junk diet are the ones who are being deprived--not you!
VEGGIE PIZZA
Serves: 1
Ingredients:
1 Ezekiel sprouted wheat tortilla
4 tablespoons of tomato/pizza sauce
1 garlic clove minced
¼ cup onions chopped
¼ cup green peppers chopped
¼ cup broccoli chopped
5 black olives sliced
1 ounce of goat cheese
crushed red pepper for sprinklingInstructions:
1. Preheat oven to 450 degrees
2. Place thawed tortilla on large pan and place in oven for 3-4 mins to allow crust to harden a bit
3. Once tortilla has started to slightly crisp on edges, remove from oven
4. Place sauce and garlic on crust first
5. Then top with suggested toppings or other toppings, being careful not to overload the crust
6. Next place cheese on top.
7. Cook for 10 mins or until cheese is bubblyCHOCOLATE/ NUT BUTTER/ BANANA SMOOTHIE (4 WEIGHT GAIN)
Just blend it up! You could also freeze it and eat it like gelato.
Ingredients:
1 whole can of coconut milk
1 large banana (fresh or frozen)
2 tablespoons of cashew butter or ORGANIC almond butter
1 teaspoon unsweetened dark cacao powder or dark cocoao powder
1-2 shakes of cinnamonMore yummy recipes:
Avocado/Banana Breakfast Smoothie
Quick and Delicious Breakfast Burrito
Stormy Day Stir Fry
Chicken or Chickpea Salad SandwichSHOPPING LIST
Organic cashew butter
Raw cashews or raw organic almonds
Hemp seeds and organic chia seeds
Hemp milk
Coconut milk (in a can)
Organic, unrefined coconut oil, fresh, organic EVOO, hemp seed oil
Coconut kefir
Sauerkraut
Kimchi
Unsweetened shredded coconut
Raw, unsweetened cacao powder
Turmeric/curry (organic)
Monk fruit extract
Dry and fresh figs and dates
Avocados (organic)
Onions, garlic, ginger
Bananas and plantains
Blue, red, and black berries (organic)
Dark cherries (organic)
Pomegranate (organic)
Kiwi (organic)
Dragonfruit (organic)
Goji berries (organic)
Wide variety of organic greens (except spinach)
Sweet potatoes
Purple (Peruvian) potatoes (organic)
Butternut squash soup (vegan)
Organic, pastured Eggs
Goat™s milk and sheep™ milk
Goat cheese and sheep cheese (especially raw)
Sheep™s milk or coconut yogurt
Organic vegan butter or sheep™s milk butter
Salmon burgers (wild caught/organic)
Organic, free range turkey, chicken, and beef
Lentil soups and stews
Chickpeas and organic hummus
Buckwheat pasta
Quinoa
Wild or brown rice
Flaxseed waffles
Ezekiel brand sprouted grain cereals and breads
Qui™s brand ˜Superfood™ cereals
Chiarezza brand cereal
2 Moms in the Raw brand cereal
One Degree brand sprouted brown rice crisps
Thanks for the recipes and shopping list! I'll definitely try that banana smoothie out! Sounds delicious. I'm 16. <3
Hey I'm definitely allergic to casein rather than lactose. I don't get ant stomach symptoms like with lactose intolerance but within 2-24 hours of eating dairy I get itchy give like pimples. Red and you can feel them before you can see them. Even some items labeled " non dairy" have casein.
No carbs for two weeks!!?? Hahaha you sound crazy dude, you need to eat a bit more than enough in reality.
And whoever is scared about experimenting foods, do you really want to risk not trying out a food that may potentially help you maintain a healthy weight? Comparing the potential impact on the human body from being malnourished, I say a few pimples are worth the risk. This means alot from me since I scar badly (hypertrophic scars), so a cyst usually meant a scar (learned that too many times lmao). You don't even have to eat alot of it, and increase consumption if you do not see any changes
1 hour ago, snarkygirl said:Hey I'm definitely allergic to casein rather than lactose. I don't get ant stomach symptoms like with lactose intolerance but within 2-24 hours of eating dairy I get itchy give like pimples. Red and you can feel them before you can see them. Even some items labeled " non dairy" have casein.
Really? Wow i really didn't know that! All my life i was able to eat dairy products with no problem. Then i quit dairy because of my acne. But now, whenever i consume foods made with dairy products, i start to feel nauseous, and next morning wake up with acne. That didn't happened before i quit dairy. Today in a restaurant i had spaghetti with tomato sauce (tomato sauce turned out to have cream and milk in it, and the waiters didn't told me that the sauce had dairy in it even though i asked twice. I freaked out) after eating it i started to feel nauseous. Hopefully next morning i won't have a breakout.. 
6 minutes ago, IronMotivation said:No carbs for two weeks!!?? Hahaha you sound crazy dude, you need to eat a bit more than enough in reality.
And whoever is scared about experimenting foods, do you really want to risk not trying out a food that may potentially help you maintain a healthy weight? Comparing the potential impact on the human body from being malnourished, I say a few pimples are worth the risk. This means alot from me since I scar badly (hypertrophic scars), so a cyst usually meant a scar (learned that too many times lmao). You don't even have to eat alot of it, and increase consumption if you do not see any changes
Thank you!
5 minutes ago, IronMotivation said:Have you gotten your nutrient blood levels checked? You may be deficient in Vitamin A/D
Yup, i was deficient in iron. I fixed that months ago though. I haven't got checked in a while.
On August 4, 2016 at 6:25 PM, SkinDeeply said:If it's okay with you, I have a very short list of questions that I was hoping you could answer...
1) When did you begin eliminating foods from your diet?
2) What was your starting weight (before you began elimination dieting)?
3) What have you eaten so far today? What did you eat yesterday? (if you can remember)
4) Not including sugar and dairy, do you have digestive issues when consuming any of the foods you've eliminated from your diet?
5) Do you have a history of depression, anxiety, eating disorders and/or other obsessive compulsive disorders? (zero pressure to divulge any more than you're comfortable with sharing or to go into too much detail on this one)
6) How have you been sleeping lately?
All of these questions practically just haunted me haha. About a year ago i started recovering from an eating disorder. As a young man it was definitely not something I ever thought would happen to me. My acne is actually doing okay right now. I have been revisiting this site the past couple days to possibly offer help or drop a comment here or there. I remember a few years ago I would come to this site desperate for some relief.
Hey.. I don't think you should cut out all your food to heal your acne. You seem pretty stressed and it's just gonna cause you more acne. Eat your fruits and vegetables and stuff cause healing your acne shouldn't be as important as being healthy.
Good luck to you
On 8/4/2016 at 10:19 PM, IronMotivation said:Well for one to be honest, pizza and sugary and unhealthy foods like those are a pleasure correct? And with every pleasure brings dependence and effects. With alcohol is dehydration and an unhealthy liver with other results, same goes with pizza, comes unhealthy fats and useless calories and it just doesn't agree with our bodies. You do not need alcohol nor pizza to be happy and healthy. What you do need is a stomach full of food and clear skin correct? Well when you find the problem, you'll also be able to find an answer.My suggestion would be to start looking at food as only nutrition. Stop looking at the pictures and start looking at the Nutrition labels. Try to consume the required carbs/calories/protein/etc to maintain weight (many calculators are online). Sure the food will taste bland plain, but you'll be on the road to having clear skin while being happy and healthy, which is what you want correct? Well hopefully you'll be able to evolve this idea to your own liking, and remember, even the darkest nights make the stars shine brighter
Please don't. Eating pizza and drinking a glas of wine will not kill you. Please stop spreading this shit.
The point is that this obsession with food is unhealthy. To be honest, the more restrictive people are with their diets the more unhealthy they look. I am not talking about eating McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Grabbing a pizza with your family is fine. Even good.
She now has a problem. She should not be counting calories. She should not obsess. Because if she continues her acne will be the least of her problems. I wish people were smarter before they posted something like this.
Your post is so awful I can't even find words to tell you how awful your remark "Sure the food will taste bland plain, but you'll be on the road to having clear skin while being happy and healthy, which is what you want correct?" is when she has orthorexia. Shame on you.
On 8/6/2016 at 6:21 AM, De Rerum Natura said:Do a test
cut out EVERY CARB you are eating for 2 weeks, eat only meat, eggs, drink plenty of water and no sugarsafter my accutane course my acne went back after 1 month, then i stopped eating carbs and 2 weeks later i was clean
i dont know but RIGHT AFTER eating carbs or sugar my skin instantly start to produce alot of oil
Jesus christ. Just stop.
Sweetie you need to get out of this forum. Please. I am telling you I went through the same thing a few years back. Nothing worked. I was anorexic and my skin problems only got worse and worse.
I still struggle. But, I eat meat again. I am slowly gaining energy. I drink a glass of wine sometimes. I eat chocolate. I eat LOTS of cheese. LOTS of fruits. LOTS of coffee.
I feel better everyday my diet gets more normal. Actually, it feels like I can finally breath.
I don't know whether these people actually get better like this or if there is a placebo effect involved. I do understand that you should not eat fast food everyday, but a normal heathy diet is fine. Even dairy.
You must understand that you can not see these people. You do not know what drives them. Do not listen to people unless you trust their word. This is very important. Follow your instincts. I know your instincts will tell you how bad these diet restrictions are. Follow that.
I promise it will get better. You will be able to eat again without guilt. But, you need to stop listening to people on this forum. Get out while you can.
2 hours ago, il90 said:Please don't. Eating pizza and drinking a glas of wine will not kill you. Please stop spreading this shit.The point is that this obsession with food is unhealthy. To be honest, the more restrictive people are with their diets the more unhealthy they look. I am not talking about eating McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Grabbing a pizza with your family is fine. Even good.
She now has a problem. She should not be counting calories. She should not obsess. Because if she continues her acne will be the least of her problems. I wish people were smarter before they posted something like this.
Your post is so awful I can't even find words to tell you how awful your remark "Sure the food will taste bland plain, but you'll be on the road to having clear skin while being happy and healthy, which is what you want correct?" is when she has orthorexia. Shame on you.
Jesus christ. Just stop.
Sweetie you need to get out of this forum. Please. I am telling you I went through the same thing a few years back. Nothing worked. I was anorexic and my skin problems only got worse and worse.
I still struggle. But, I eat meat again. I am slowly gaining energy. I drink a glass of wine sometimes. I eat chocolate. I eat LOTS of cheese. LOTS of fruits. LOTS of coffee.
I feel better everyday my diet gets more normal. Actually, it feels like I can finally breath.
I don't know whether these people actually get better like this or if there is a placebo effect involved. I do understand that you should not eat fast food everyday, but a normal heathy diet is fine. Even dairy.
You must understand that you can not see these people. You do not know what drives them. Do not listen to people unless you trust their word. This is very important. Follow your instincts. I know your instincts will tell you how bad these diet restrictions are. Follow that.
I promise it will get better. You will be able to eat again without guilt. But, you need to stop listening to people on this forum. Get out while you can.
at this time her priority should be to fix her eating disorder.
So...I have some thoughts/concerns:
sighcat's thread seems to have struck a lot of different chords with people, and I can't help but fear that the growing number of contradicting opinions (my own included) that we've been throwing her way will only serve to confuse and worry her more. Blindly offering prescriptive nutritional advice to each other on this forum often proves to be problematic enough as it is; but offering mental health advice on top of that is quite another thing. Even though we're all trying to help sighcat, I worry that without meaning to, we may be projecting our own experiences on her without truly knowing or understanding the depth of her condition.
It seems like quite a few other users have had their own personal journey with Orthorexia and/or Atypical Anorexia that was either motivated or exacerbated by their struggle with food intolerance and elimination dieting (again, I'm including myself). This is an extremely complex and sensitive issuethat seems to surface every few years on the on the Diet & holistic health forum--triggers abound. There are some excellent threads in the archives, but unfortunately they have been closed to further comments.
So I'm wondering if it might be a good idea for us to either continue that particular conversation in a new thread, or (if we continue it here)to try and keep in mind that our own individual struggles and solutions are just that (our own) and that said solutions may not necessarily be the safest or healthiestfor the OP right now.
11 hours ago, il90 said:Please don't. Eating pizza and drinking a glas of wine will not kill you. Please stop spreading this shit.The point is that this obsession with food is unhealthy. To be honest, the more restrictive people are with their diets the more unhealthy they look. I am not talking about eating McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Grabbing a pizza with your family is fine. Even good.
She now has a problem. She should not be counting calories. She should not obsess. Because if she continues her acne will be the least of her problems. I wish people were smarter before they posted something like this.
Your post is so awful I can't even find words to tell you how awful your remark "Sure the food will taste bland plain, but you'll be on the road to having clear skin while being happy and healthy, which is what you want correct?" is when she has orthorexia. Shame on you.
Jesus christ. Just stop.
Sweetie you need to get out of this forum. Please. I am telling you I went through the same thing a few years back. Nothing worked. I was anorexic and my skin problems only got worse and worse.
I still struggle. But, I eat meat again. I am slowly gaining energy. I drink a glass of wine sometimes. I eat chocolate. I eat LOTS of cheese. LOTS of fruits. LOTS of coffee.
I feel better everyday my diet gets more normal. Actually, it feels like I can finally breath.
I don't know whether these people actually get better like this or if there is a placebo effect involved. I do understand that you should not eat fast food everyday, but a normal heathy diet is fine. Even dairy.
You must understand that you can not see these people. You do not know what drives them. Do not listen to people unless you trust their word. This is very important. Follow your instincts. I know your instincts will tell you how bad these diet restrictions are. Follow that.
I promise it will get better. You will be able to eat again without guilt. But, you need to stop listening to people on this forum. Get out while you can.
Hahaha you clearly did not understand my point at all. Firstly I said to count calories because you NEED to be able to GAIN weight, I have been studying nutrition and its important in health. Her point was that she desired TASTY foods, and tasty foods should NOT be the main pursuit, as I had explained. Something that might not break her skin out might not be a tasty food, therefore she'll be able to eat as much as required to gain weight without breaking out, and with that ability, would be a step forward into a healthy lifestyle. Shame on me you're hilarious, you shouldn't dismiss everyone's advice as something negative, you should start thinking in both perspectives.
U guys sound a bunch of ignorant people and do not understand a bit of nutrition andepigenetics
not eating carbs in diet doesnt mean that you will lose weight and will become anorexic.
when you consume carbohydrate theyre converted in sugar and saccharides by your body leading a rapid and intense increase in your glycemic rate it can lead to a fast and bad and low satiety and in some cases it can increase your acne rate depending by your genetic susceptibility
the carbohydrates are divided in two types, the simples and the complex type
the simply ones are tottaly bad for your health because they lead to an extremly fast absorption of the sugar in your body leading to calory excess and sugar excess and leading them to drop fast making you hunger faster
the complex ones have opposite propriety havinga much more slower rate of digestion but they effect are the same, just slower, which can be good for your health if you consume it properly. It doesnt change the fact that it can cause you acne too.
low carb diets are good for your health and it will not make you anorexic or lose weight if you are already underweightif you consume enough nutrients/mineral/vitamins and eat good fat from animal source.
our pre-historic ancestors and even the homo-sapiens always had diets without carbs
the processed food ppleat today and i BET THAT U GUYS EAT IT TOOoverall generally are rich in simple carbs that fuk up with our health and are the cause of hundreds of diseases.
the majority doesnt evenknow the foods that contain complex type carbs that are the good ones for health.
And i actually think ppl around here doesnt even know that exist two types of carbs
I can list hundreds of diseases caused by excessive amount of carbpeople have been taking today and the rate of these diseses only increase.
but yeah, lets follow the common senseeating alot of bread, fast food andthinking carbs cant cause anything bad for our health
On 8/5/2016 at 9:21 PM, De Rerum Natura said:Do a test
cut out EVERY CARB you are eating for 2 weeks, eat only meat, eggs, drink plenty of water and no sugarsafter my accutane course my acne went back after 1 month, then i stopped eating carbs and 2 weeks later i was clean
i dont know but RIGHT AFTER eating carbs or sugar my skin instantly start to produce alot of oil
This sounds extremely unhealthy, your body needs carbohydrates for fuel.
De Rarum Natura: That's interesting....considering I'm a Holistic Nutrition Consultant student working towards my certification. But you're right, I'm sure I've "never heard of complex carbs".
The only time I would recommend a VLC ketogenic diet for someone as young and underweight as the OP would be in the case of a progressive autoimmune disease like MS or if their gut was severely compromised, in which case a low FODMAP Paleo Autoimmune Protocol or Wahls Protocol would be appropriate. Even so, those are modified ketogenic diets--not "ZERO carbs". Because you do realize don't you that even cooked zucchini and spinach, or any soluble fiber would be included in that category?
If you're seeing inflammation anytime you consume a carbohydrate (including soluble fiber and resistant starches), that almost certainly means your gut is leaking. And in that case, you can discontinue carbohydrates, but if you don't repair and reinoculateyour gut, the list of intolerant foods will just grow and morph with your diet changes. Simply eliminating carbohydrates is temporary symptom suppression.
17 hours ago, IronMotivation said:Hahaha you clearly did not understand my point at all. Firstly I said to count calories because you NEED to be able to GAIN weight, I have been studying nutrition and its important in health. Her point was that she desired TASTY foods, and tasty foods should NOT be the main pursuit, as I had explained. Something that might not break her skin out might not be a tasty food, therefore she'll be able to eat as much as required to gain weight without breaking out, and with that ability, would be a step forward into a healthy lifestyle. Shame on me you're hilarious, you shouldn't dismiss everyone's advice as something negative, you should start thinking in both perspectives.
Clearly you did not listen to what she said. Not much had an effect on her acne (except dairy I believe) so what is the point of eating bland foods to gain weight? She should eat food that she likes. It is ridiculous that people with acne should not get to enjoy food.
Do you understand an eating disorder? She can't eat. She should not be counting calories or exclude foods from her diet because it is triggering. She should not engage at all.This is not about gaining weight. It is about fixing her eating disorder that is making her lose weight.
There are no proof that diets causes acne. Fast food everyday might cause hormonal changes that might cause acne but eating a pizza can not give you acne the next day since it takes up to 2 months for acne to form.
10 hours ago, De Rerum Natura said:U guys sound a bunch of ignorant people and do not understand a bit of nutrition andepigenetics
not eating carbs in diet doesnt mean that you will lose weight and will become anorexic.
when you consume carbohydrate theyre converted in sugar and saccharides by your body leading a rapid and intense increase in your glycemic rate it can lead to a fast and bad and low satiety and in some cases it can increase your acne rate depending by your genetic susceptibility
the carbohydrates are divided in two types, the simples and the complex type
the simply ones are tottaly bad for your health because they lead to an extremly fast absorption of the sugar in your body leading to calory excess and sugar excess and leading them to drop fast making you hunger faster
the complex ones have opposite propriety havinga much more slower rate of digestion but they effect are the same, just slower, which can be good for your health if you consume it properly. It doesnt change the fact that it can cause you acne too.low carb diets are good for your health and it will not make you anorexic or lose weight if you are already underweightif you consume enough nutrients/mineral/vitamins and eat good fat from animal source.
our pre-historic ancestors and even the homo-sapiens always had diets without carbs
the processed food ppleat today and i BET THAT U GUYS EAT IT TOOoverall generally are rich in simple carbs that fuk up with our health and are the cause of hundreds of diseases.
the majority doesnt evenknow the foods that contain complex type carbs that are the good ones for health.
And i actually think ppl around here doesnt even know that exist two types of carbs
I can list hundreds of diseases caused by excessive amount of carbpeople have been taking today and the rate of these diseses only increase.but yeah, lets follow the common senseeating alot of bread, fast food andthinking carbs cant cause anything bad for our health
Everyone knows there are two kinds of carbs this is basic nutrition. Furthermore, high protein diets are not better than high carb. Both are extremes. That does not mean I advocate for the use of sugar and fast food but a diet rich in real food but also stress that you can cheat sometimes. It's fine to eat a pizza once in a while. It's fine to get some candy with your friends. As long as you get everything you need you should be fine.
I understand excluding dairy (for 3 months to see if it actually affects you) everything else is bullshit. Regular exercise (sweating) and whole food diet is enough.
However, until she fixes her eating disorder she should not be thinking about this stuff at all. She should learn to trust food and herself again.
il90, while I agree with you 100% about treading lightly here, I do feel I should point out that your understanding of delayed non-IgE mediated allergies (i.e. intolerance) is not quite correct. The time relationship between eating the food and getting symptoms depends on many factors. If the food is only eaten very occasionally, symptom onset after digestion ranges from almost immediate to several hours, up to 3 days. Symptoms are also usually multiple--meaning in addition to acne (or some other skin inflammation), there may also be digestive upset, night sweats, dark under eye circles, brain fog and fatigue, headaches, etc.Additionally, A1 dairy is inflammatory--period. There is a wealth of scientific evidence that supports this. The specific inflammatory response will depend on epigenetics, but there will always be one, as it elicits a significant insulin response.
I also don't think it is prudent to be decidedly diagnosing sighcat with an eating disorder. Orthorexia, if that is indeed what she's struggling with, is an atypical eating disorder. But if she's not prone to obsessive compulsive tendencies, it could very likely just be a case of her being incredibly confused about the role nutrition plays in acne (which wouldn't be all that surprising based on the misinformation regularly spread on these boards).
i agree that if she's passing through an eating disorder and cant eat anything and is underweight she shouldnt do a low carb diet, but she need's to avoid bad carbs and sugar for sure. especially if she's struggling with acne
i dont eat simplecarbs/sugar for a while and my inflammation improved a lot
its been around 4 months since i dont breakout after i stopped eating regular amounts of carb/sugar
and i do the test once every two weeks, sometimes i eat some simple carbohydrate and next day i do see a pimple, and if i continue to eat carbs the breakouts goes on
the only carbs im eating is yogurt for my intestinal flora 1x day, im taking good amount of vitamins, eating a good amount of eggs and good source of animal fat and meat
and i didnt lose weight doing this low carb diet
but since she's underweight i shouldnt recommend this, that was my bad and i didnt realize what was going on.
23 hours ago, SkinDeeply said:il90, while I agree with you 100% about treading lightly here, I do feel I should point out that your understanding of delayed non-IgE mediated allergies (i.e. intolerance) is not quite correct. The time relationship between eating the food and getting symptoms depends on many factors. If the food is only eaten very occasionally, symptom onset after digestion ranges from almost immediate to several hours, up to 3 days. Symptoms are also usually multiple--meaning in addition to acne (or some other skin inflammation), there may also be digestive upset, night sweats, dark under eye circles, brain fog and fatigue, headaches, etc.Additionally, A1 dairy is inflammatory--period. There is a wealth of scientific evidence that supports this. The specific inflammatory response will depend on epigenetics, but there will always be one, as it elicits a significant insulin response.
I also don't think it is prudent to be decidedly diagnosing sighcat with an eating disorder. Orthorexia, if that is indeed what she's struggling with, is an atypical eating disorder. But if she's not prone to obsessive compulsive tendencies, it could very likely just be a case of her being incredibly confused about the role nutrition plays in acne (which wouldn't be all that surprising based on the misinformation regularly spread on these boards).
Being afraid to eat is an eating disorder. I hope she understands this. Food should be tasty and should not cause this much distress. Talking about all of this stuff is just making it worse. Enough is enough.
il90, I think you would love StefaniRuper's blog. She is a wonderful inspiration.
I totally agree with some of the above comments. I was orthorexic for about a (not acne-related), and I was constantly depressed and sickly. It also engenders severe hormone imbalances, which may increase sebum production, hence worsening acne.
I agree with IL90 - I have never heard of ANYTHING you eat causing acne with the exception of dairy - and that is only for people who have some sort of allergy to it. Over the years, I have read loads of forums blaming diet for acne and it just is not the case. If you eat relatively healthy food, get enough sleep and are not under too much stress you are likely suffering from acne due to 1. Hormones or 2. a natural, hereditary proclivity to acne. The good news is that you are not alone BUT you should NOT be starving yourself in the hopes of clear skin.
My best advice - find a topical treatment that works for you. Don't go the prescription route - too invasive with too many long term side effects. Topical is the way to go. And Lord knows you have a plethora of options out there. Do your homework and find out what is best for you. For me, the only one that has ever worked is Ninja Skincare. But obviously, a lot of people have other suggestions as well....
On 8/12/2016 at 6:36 PM, SkinDeeply said:il90, I think you would love StefaniRuper's blog. She is a wonderful inspiration.
I still don't agree. Acne is not an autoimmune disease. It' just acne. Once I started eating plenty of meat (red but organic) and relaxed my dairy intake (plenty of feta and local organic sheep/goat cheeses but not cow though) I feel so much better. I eat buckwheat and corn too and potatoes. Lots of fruits, veggies and chocolate. A lot of coffee too. But, no processed foods though, I try to keep to whole foods.
The thing is, I don't believe eating imported fruits and veggies are necessarily better unless you're ancestors come from there. Eating cassava/ plantains and sweet potatoes won't do you any good if you are from northern Europe, you're body isn't rigged for this kind of produce. So, just eat real food from where you come from. I do eat plantains/sweet potatoes too but my whole diet isn't made up of it, I think that is silly.
Stress is more of a factor, and having to get all of these weird foods is definitely stressful. Acne is not caused by food. It really isn't. My family looks amazing on a normal diet, while I, when I was vegan or whatnot, looked awful. I understood that I needed meat and a varied diet. I can eat ice cream too without anything happening. It's fine. Exercise is more of a factor actually. Super important to get some intense workout everyday though I believe (or 6 days a week). That will bring stress levels down and definitely balance hormones.
I hope this reaches anyone that is struggling with eating disorders caused by these kind of forums.