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cvd, you sure like to write, I read the whole thing. I have followed that exact diet for 10 years now, it hasn't changed my acne in any way. The only diet change that has ever affected my acne is this dairy removal and it has put my skin in horrible state. I will get those MRT test results next week and then I can eliminate all the foods that cause me inflammation. There is definitely something buggin me because, my nose is stuffy all year round, my saliva is sticky thick and there's slime in my throat all the time. I will see my doctor on monday regarding this saliva thing, hope it gets resolved, it's even more annoying than acne.
@Dolan I do it because there's no point in trying to argue with people that brains are plagued with misinformed information and are literately brainwashed by society. Open your eyes, stop hiding from the truth. Watch Earthlings or Fork over knives. I'm not trying to preach either, hence my one sentence post. 1930's Pretty much no one had acne in the states.
These days people are scared of fruits because of their high sugar content. Little did they know, these foods are actually healing, cleansing and alkalizing foods that heal the body from inside out. it's ridiculous and pisses me off that people blame fruits. our bodies are pretty much designed to consume high amounts of fruits and vegetables.
Free Range Eggs are still Eggs. Wild fish is still Fish. Wake up.
I wish you guys luck but I hope we as a family on acne.org can someone take a look at reality. "NO" Because reality sucks doesn't it? http://earthlings.com/?page_id=32
I've watched Forks over Knives. The only valid thing to take from that is we should eat a lot of plant foods.
Bubbles: Have you tried avoiding citrus? The cause of my cystic acne. Caffeine? Trans Fats? Peanuts? High citric acid fruits like strawberries & tomatoes & of course, citrus? ...
Robertitoo: Considering that many, many meat eating societies have no acne at all, I think you're wrong. People in developed countries used to eat fewer processed grains and more meat overall, and, as you pointed out, more and more people seem to be getting acne. Don't get me wrong, though - plenty of fruits and vegetables is always a good thing. Your demonization of meat, however, is unwarranted, unbased, and potentially harmful.
Our bodies are designed to eat meat. They are also designed to eat fruits and vegetables, but likely to a lesser degree.
Here's a long Scientific American article on humans and meat consumption that you will likely ignore or deny, despite the high quality of the source and recency of publication:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-humans-eat-meat-excerpt/
But even all this evidence aside, there are many nutrients in animal products that are highly beneficial for us. And, as the eskimos have shown us, humans are able to survive on meat alone, while we cannot survive on plants alone. Veganism has not one leg to stand on.
Robertitoo, wow, so I'm a bad person because I don't care about animals? Ask yourself, does wolf in the forest care if you happen to die or get hurt, no, why would it care. The wolf just wants to live its life the way it wants to live, I'm the same way. I don't cause anyone any harm, or wish anyone anything bad, I just want to live my life happily ever after and that makes me a bad person? And I don't have the time to try to make the world a better place, the world is what it is. Actually the world would be a better place if everyone would be like me, just try to enjoy your own life and do no harm to others. I think you should really take the time and think about your hypocrite attitude. And here's some more animal love for you, .
I read the Scientific American article quoted above and it points out that increased meat consumption became much more common after industrialization and particularly after the 1950's when it could be produced more cheaply.
"...As a result, global meat production rose from less than 50t in 1950 to about 110t in 1975; it doubled during the next 25 years, and by 2010 it was about 275t, prorating to some 40g/capita, with the highest levels (in the US, Spain and Brazil) in excess of 100g/capita."
For the most part meat was consummed most frequently by the affluent classes before the 1950's. It is well documented that most primitive cultures ate a plant-based diet with small amounts of meats and fish. The exception to all this are the Eskimos who because of their environment are primarily meat eaters. However how many of us lead the kind of life they do where calories are rapidly used due to heavy physical activity and extreme cold weather? In that environment then very fatty meats are helpful. However the life expectancy of traditional Eskimos was not that long...32 years. Here is a chart of their serum cholesterol:
Cholesterol Levels of Eskimo & Inuit Populations
Paper [ref]Mean TCNotesCorcoran & Rabinowitch 1935 [9]141 mg/dlStale samples, obsolete technique, small sample size; tuberculosis commonWilber & Levine 1950 [11]218 mg/dl Rodahl 1955 [13]215 mg/dl Pett & Lupien 1958 [10]204 mg/dl Scott et al 1958 [12]214 mg/dl Davies & Hanson 1965 [8]182 mg/dlDiseased (tuberculosis), life expectancy 32 yearsHo et al 1972 [7]221 mg/dl Dyerberg et al 1975 [6]216 mg/dl Young et al 1993 [15]205 mg/dlAverage of 4 age and gender cohortsHoward et al 2010 [14]211 mg/dlTC calculated from LDL 125, HDL 62, triglycerides 118Makhoul et al 2010 [5] 223 mg/dl
Results are remarkably consistent. Nine of the eleven papers reported mean total cholesterol (TC) between 204 mg/dl and 223 mg/dl. Lets look more closely.
Based on everything I have read a low-fat plant-based diet with tiny amounts of wild fish/meat is the best one for good health.
Wild fish and meat are different than mass factory produced. My husband is a fish biologist and I have personally seen the tons of antibiotics used in fish farm production. I would never eat farm fish, ever. The same is true of meats and eggs grown in this way. Also the food fed to farm grown animals is the cheapest that can be done...nutrient comes from supplimentation which as we know is not a good way to grow a healthy animal. And contrary to popular belief antibiotics can be used if animals are sick...and guess what --- most farmed animals get sick very often due to crowding and poor diet. So again it is prudent not to eat mass produced animals. Strive for wild or free range animals that get healthy sunshine, pastured and wild foods, and are more stress free. This also results in fewer stress hormones in the meat.
^Yeah, I don't know about that. But I happen to get a great deal of my food including organic produce & eggs from free roaming insect & green eating ducks & hens. This is because I am active with organizations & people that care about the planet and try to make it better.
You can eat well for less but it takes some planning and cooking from scratch. I get eggs from a local family whose chickens roam around their farm...these eggs have very yellow yolks (sign of good nutrient value) and only cost me $3 a carton. This is relatively cheap. Me and my 6'4" husband are both big eaters since I do marathons and he is out in the field canvassing streams and I plan meals so we can have big portions and leftovers. Here's how we eat heartily and with whole foods in a typical week for less...
At the beginning of the week I go to our local health food COOP and buy a whole free range chicken and have the butcher cut it up (this is much cheaper than buying already cut up chicken plus you get the part they don't usually include). I buy several heads of lettuce, several kinds of organic dark greens (chard, kale, etc.) carrots, onions, garlic, cucumbers, red peppers, broccoli, zucchini, mushrooms, purple cabbage, yams, leeks, red and yellow potatoes (5# bags --- cheaper), and any other vegies typically on sale so it varies. I buy whatever fruit is on sale and appealing. I buy oatmeal, rice, raisons, honey, brown rice noodles, and whatever else I need from the bulk area (cheaper than prepackaged). I buy whole grain bread for my husband (flour products seem to aggravate my acne), roasted dandelion root tea, soy milk, organic good fat margarine for my husband (oils aggravate my acne), brown rice cakes, any canned beans but only if on sale. At the regular grocery store is where I buy paper products, Newman's lemonaide for my husband, etc. I strive to only buy things that are on sale or whatever I have coupons for (but never junk foods).
From this I typically make a roasted chicken dish, 1-2 huge soups each week, burritos, a vegetable casserole, whole grain pancakes, etc. I make muffins from scratch and also quick breads like banana, etc. I make waffles and pancakes from scratch.
We alternate fish and fowl from week to week. So one week we buy a whole wild salmon (way way cheaper than cut-up salmon) and my husband cuts it up himself...although a butcher will do this. We eat half a salmon within a week...every night for 3 nights and freeze the rest for later meals. This is an extremely economical way to eat high quality fish...but people rarely do it. The butchers are always pleased to see someone who can appreciate the value and quality of eating whole fish versus fish that has been cut-up, sitting in the case for days and costs a fortune!
I use unused parts of the cut-up chicken (back, neck, wings) to make the broth for soups and this only takes about an hour or so simmering in a huge soup pot. I strain out the chicken bones, take off any meat and put back into the broth. Then I add tons of cut-up vegetables and potatoes or lentils or however I am preparing the soup that day. I usually add a can of beans too. One of our huge soups last for at least 3 meals including topping for rice at lunches.
If you buy in bulk and on sale and eat the way our great grandparents did then you can stretch your food dollars pretty far. But you have to be willing to cook things from scratch. Plus the food tasted soooo much better! I could save even more dollars if I was preparing my own beans but I buy the canned ones (BPA free cans).
I'm in the middle of a large sprawling city too. And i refuse to drive to suburbs. The farm I volunteer at is about 1 mile east of downtown Houston in a long neglected, blighted area that is also a food desert. And Houston has tons of such spaces.We are working to create an urban agricultural district to grow urban farms & farmers, to provide employment & to turn blighted lots into gardens of Eden. I also volunteer at a food coop a few blocks from my home that has CSA shares from a local farmer, plus other local plus purchases from a big vendor of organic produce. I get paid in food & could choose eggs there. But I get duck eggs from the director of the Wildlife Center of Texas where I volunteer. The ducks are used in Oiled Wildlife Response training, which I've also done. See what doing good gets you.
CVD, Is the salmon not previously frozen? Do you cut it frozen? The thing is, if it was previously frozen, I want it to still be frozen when I buy it. I've asked at the store about getting half a salmon still frozen and have been told it has to thaw for them to cut it, therefore they only sell thawed previously frozen portions. In other words, don't cut it up unless they thaw it first.
Wow --- I admire your work in turning blighted areas into edens...fantastic! I'm blessed to be in a small college town in Southern Oregon that supports small local organic farmers and we have a huge COOP that I'm a member of. Couldn't live without it. I remember in the 80's when we first got it started and it was hard to convince local farmers to go organic and much harder to get organic produce. Lots of good changes since then!
Yes --- you're right. Butchers won't cut frozen salmon so if you're doing it that way then you have to know fish and how to check for freshness, etc. or have a butcher you trust. I'm sort of good at this but I'm always amazed how my husband can spot a fish that has been stressed, is diseased or less than fresh...when I thought it looked just fine. Smelled okay...but there is more to check for that is difficult to explain in words.
This pertains to any kind of fish and we buy thawed halibut and cod in addition to salmon. If we're at the coast we buy fresh tuna but it's caught same day. And of course my husband fishes himself.
Our store sells whole frozen, partially frozen, and totally thawed wild salmon. It's sort of a crap shoot to find the partially thawed salmon that can be cut by the butcher. My husband and I buy frozen whole salmon that my husband inspects for quality and then we partially thaw in the fridge for a day before cutting the next evening. It's still mostly frozen but can be cut with a good fish knife...which my husband has because he's a fish biologist. You can buy these knives at quality knife stores or fishing gear stores.
I do most of the other grocery shopping but I admit I rely on my husband to buy our fish!
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Dolan be trollin'
Dolan: if you think the nutritional approach to healing acne is bogus, please stop bothering people who don't.
Anywho. Completely clear (and losing college weight) on a no sugar, no dairy, minimal grain diet. I drink a ton of my "special juice" made from carrots, beets and one green apple (and sometimes ginger). I think that all foods are not created equal. Take free-range eggs for example: Their yolks are almost orange, and they are creamy and delicious and good for me. Factory farmed eggs are less attractive, with pale yolks and less flavor. I am not a scientist, but I'd rather eat pretty food and eating pretty, organic food has been the best thing for my skin. Maybe I'm sensitive to pesticides. I don't know, and I frankly don't care to find out. All I know is what I can eat and what I can't eat and that's good enough for me. It makes sense that as a human being, it's healthiest for me to eat beautiful, natural foods that humans have been eating for thousands of years.
If it comes in a box, is fried, or has a TV commercial, don't eat it!