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Gut Flora And Leaky Gut. After 5 Years I Finally Found The Root Cause And I'm Clear Using The Gut Diet:)

 
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(@white-fox)

Posted : 08/30/2012 10:37 am

The white coating tongue is definitely better, but I've realised that white coated tongue doesn't necessarily have anything to do with candida:)

The spitting test is not valid.

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(@alfonso03)

Posted : 08/30/2012 3:59 pm

I am going to try this method for sure. Its just sad that so many things has to be cut out of the diet, and i am already a skinny guy so ill have to face some weight-loss haha. Is chickpeas bad for this process? It really helps to get full, but if its bad then ill just have to face the fact and going forward.

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(@daftfrost)

Posted : 08/30/2012 9:28 pm

Tip of the day

Although butter isn't actually Paleo, it can safely be used in the diet for everyone. Butter and GHEE are very low in casein, lactose, hormones etc. that are usually found in milk and provide an excellent source of calories on this diet.

Grass-fed is offcourse recommended:)

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MM.. butter is probably the most tastiest fat source of all. It just enhances the taste of food. Plus lots of calories.

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 08/31/2012 9:00 am

I am going to try this method for sure. Its just sad that so many things has to be cut out of the diet, and i am already a skinny guy so ill have to face some weight-loss haha. Is chickpeas bad for this process? It really helps to get full, but if its bad then ill just have to face the fact and going forward.

 

Most people can get away with an 80/20 rule (80% from the diet and 20% "bad" foods"), although they will see even faster and better results if they follow the diet precisely.

People who manage to restore healthy gut function with diet and several sources of probiotics and prebiotics can usually include some "bad" foods on a regular basis without a problem.

You should have no problem maintaining or even gaining weight on this diet. Just include a lot of Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Virgin Coconut Oil, Butter and GHEE, fatty meats, avocado, fish and eggs.

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(@manfeelings)

Posted : 08/31/2012 11:48 am

I bought some "digestive enzymes" from the store today, are these the same as the stuff you guys are using? It contains these things:

 

 

Lipase

Amylase

Protease

Amylogloucosidase

Cellulase

Hemicellulase

Lactase

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 08/31/2012 12:53 pm

I bought some "digestive enzymes" from the store today, are these the same as the stuff you guys are using? It contains these things:

Lipase

Amylase

Protease

Amylogloucosidase

Cellulase

Hemicellulase

Lactase

 

To be honest you don't need digestive enzymes. I was playing around with that stuff a couple of years ago.

Humans have the enzymes to properly digest some of the foods we eat, and the rest of the enzymes are provided by species of gut bactera. Healthy flora--> Healthy digestion.

It's difficult to know which enzymes are needed in a "damaged" gut, and supplements only provide some random enzymes that might be of benefit. It's certainly not "natural" to consume digestive enzymes in themselves, but humans have gotten probiotics and prebiotics from foods, water and the environment since the dawn of time.

Use the money where it's necessary. Diet, prebiotics (food or supplement) and probiotics (supplement, fermented foods, organic/minimally washed produce etc.)

However, you're probably not doing any harm by taking the enzymes..

Good luck:-)

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(@grubby456)

Posted : 08/31/2012 11:09 pm

Well, I won't have the chance to see a doctor until October, so I guess I'll give a shot to this diet.

 

I never had acne really, but only hives & dermatitis at the same spot, and also frequent joint pain.

Those are included in the leaky gut symptom so It brings me back on this thread. My parents think I can't fix myself without the help of a doctor and I'm pretty sure I can progress following those instructions (at least It can't be harmful).

 

I'm going to get two different kind of probiotics this weekend (50-100 billions), and I'll start adding prebiotics slowly.

 

I'm an awful cook so I guess I'll stick with vegetables/meat 3 times a day with cucumber & kefir yogurt for snack.

 

I have read online that a Whey/Kefir/Glutamin powder shake for breakfast could be a good idea (I think I do tolerate eggs, never had problem with them but I won't take chance)

 

I'm thinking about taking probiotics/prebiotics with water early at morning, and eat breakfast 1-2 hours after.

 

Also what do you think of Digestive Enzyme & L-Glutamine supplements? can't be harmful right?

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/01/2012 3:20 am

Well, I won't have the chance to see a doctor until October, so I guess I'll give a shot to this diet.

I never had acne really, but only hives & dermatitis at the same spot, and also frequent joint pain.

Those are included in the leaky gut symptom so It brings me back on this thread. My parents think I can't fix myself without the help of a doctor and I'm pretty sure I can progress following those instructions (at least It can't be harmful).

I'm going to get two different kind of probiotics this weekend (50-100 billions), and I'll start adding prebiotics slowly.

I'm an awful cook so I guess I'll stick with vegetables/meat 3 times a day with cucumber & kefir yogurt for snack.

I have read online that a Whey/Kefir/Glutamin powder shake for breakfast could be a good idea (I think I do tolerate eggs, never had problem with them but I won't take chance)

I'm thinking about taking probiotics/prebiotics with water early at morning, and eat breakfast 1-2 hours after.

Also what do you think of Digestive Enzyme & L-Glutamine supplements? can't be harmful right?

 

See info on digestive enzymes in my last post. L-Glutamin might provide some benefit when trying to improve leaky gut:)

Fermented foods are needed for optimal results!!

Good luck:)

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(@flyer17)

Posted : 09/01/2012 8:02 am

Any recommendations of good store brand fermented foods?

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(@dejaclairevoyant)

Posted : 09/01/2012 8:42 am

If you're worried about eggs I wouldn't do the whey... it's just as common an allergen.

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/01/2012 11:23 am

Any recommendations of good store brand fermented foods?

 

Whole Foods carries a lot of fermented foods. You should be able to get real Sauerkraut at some of these stores and a lot of other fermented products. Natural, fermented coconut milk is also available at most Whole Foods Market's:)

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(@hutchdan)

Posted : 09/01/2012 11:30 am

Hey white-man, ive been doing the gut diet for a while now and i think its cured my acne. Note that im also taking accutane (6month) but my skin is not dry and i still break out to nuts and coconuts. Other than that i can handle as much fermented dairy as i please! Is that ok? Can i have as much as i please once ive been on this diet for 3 + months or so? Unfortuately i had organic whey protein and i reacted badly to it. So im not COMPLTELY clear whistling.gif/. But at least i have control >biggrin.png thanks a lot for your post

 

It's extremely unlikely that you experience so good results after only 1 week, and it's most likely the accutane treatment kicking in. Congratulations anyways:)

Fermented dairy is fine. What type of fermented dairy are you using?

Good luck:)

 

One week? I've been on this diet for 3 months now... i mainly have kefir, fermented cheese. I have been getting stomach cramps lately

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(@alfonso03)

Posted : 09/01/2012 12:28 pm

Ive read so great things about the Chlorella plant, psyllium husk plant, milk thistle seed, evening primrose oil. Many doctors suggest to eat some if you have a leaky gut, or if you want to improve your digestion in your system, Anyone who have tried?

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/02/2012 1:20 am

Hey white-man, ive been doing the gut diet for a while now and i think its cured my acne. Note that im also taking accutane (6month) but my skin is not dry and i still break out to nuts and coconuts. Other than that i can handle as much fermented dairy as i please! Is that ok? Can i have as much as i please once ive been on this diet for 3 + months or so? Unfortuately i had organic whey protein and i reacted badly to it. So im not COMPLTELY clear whistling.gif/. But at least i have control >biggrin.png thanks a lot for your post

 

It's extremely unlikely that you experience so good results after only 1 week, and it's most likely the accutane treatment kicking in. Congratulations anyways:)

Fermented dairy is fine. What type of fermented dairy are you using?

Good luck:)

 

One week? I've been on this diet for 3 months now... i mainly have kefir, fermented cheese. I have been getting stomach cramps lately

 

Sorry, seemed like I quoted the wrong post or something.

Congratulations with your great results:)

I haven't been in contact with 1 person that hasn't seen great results if they manage to stick with this program for 3+ months:)

I´ve read so great things about the Chlorella plant, psyllium husk plant, milk thistle seed, evening primrose oil. Many doctors suggest to eat some if you have a leaky gut, or if you want to improve your digestion in your system, Anyone who have tried?

 

I'll explain why that is mostly misguided dietary advice:

Chlorella: This is actually a supplement you might benefit from as some studies show that chlorella supplements act as prebiotics in the gut. However, the supplement is expensive and you'll probably be better of just buying a standard prebiotic supplement

Psyllium husk: I used psyllium a couple of years ago because so many people recommend it for gut issues, but it's a very poor choice. It contains a lot of insoluble fiber that potentially make leaky gut worse and personally it made my condition worse. Quoted from Mark's Daily Apple:

"I™d definitely avoid psyllium husks. They are the classic stool bulking agents “ full of both flora-feeding soluble and colon-rending insoluble fiber. Now, fiber encountered in the wild is fine for healthy people with functioning guts. You eat some plants, maybe a few nuts or seeds, a starchy tuber? You™re gonna take in some fiber. It™s pretty unavoidable. But to go out and intentionally pad your poop stats (girth, viscosity, velocity) with seed husks (not even the seeds; just the dang hulls)? Not advised. Just eat some plant matter if it™s fiber you™re after."

Milk Thistle Seeds: Same thing here. A lot of insoluble fiber and seeds are generally poor choices for people with leaky gut.

Evening Pimrose Oil: I don't know any specifics on this oil, but in general; these things do very little to improve gut issues.

Use your money on foods, probiotics and prebiotics and your gut will take care of the rest:)

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(@daftfrost)

Posted : 09/02/2012 8:49 am

White fox, what are your thoughts on fibers from grains? Like oat and wheat?

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/02/2012 11:22 am

White fox, what are your thoughts on fibers from grains? Like oat and wheat?

 

Oats, wheat and other grains are some of the "worst" foods for people with acne (most everyone else also benefit from excluding grains from their diet). Grains contain several anti-nutrients (phytic acid, lectins, enzyme inhibitors etc.), have a high-carbohydrate density, a lot of insoluble fiber and the protein gluten.

Anti-nutrients, excess insoluble fiber and gluten is known to promote leaky gut. High-density carbohydrates alter gut flora

Recommended reading on grains:

Cereal Grains: Humanitys Double-Edged Sword

The silent killer: Modern lifestyle promotes leaky gut and low-level chronic inflammation

Why grains are unhealthy

Effects of wheat germ agglutinin on human gastrointestinal epithelium: insights from an experimental model of immune/epithelial cell interaction.

Gluten Causes Gastrointestinal Symptoms in Subjects Without Celiac Disease: A Double-Blind Randomized Placebo-Controlled Trial

Gliadin, zonulin and gut permeability: Effects on celiac and non-celiac intestinal mucosa and intestinal cell lines.

Stick to real foods:)

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(@dejaclairevoyant)

Posted : 09/02/2012 11:41 am

Thanks for those links. I wish every single person who comes to this forum would read all those before they start ranting and arguing in favor of wheat.

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/04/2012 1:44 pm

Tip of the day

 

Prebiotics are equally as important as probiotics. Support the growth of benefical microbes in the gut:-)

 

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(@demorph)

Posted : 09/05/2012 7:33 am

hey all,

 

incredible thread. I'm looking forward to getting on board with this regimen. makes a lot of sense what white fox and gutflora.com writes.

got a couple of questions though.

 

first of all. what's the deal with milk? gutflora.com says eat fermented foods and lists dairy products. haven't we all heard that dairy products are bad, not only for acne but your overall health? what about people who are lactose intolerant? is cheese and joghurt different from milk in that it doesn't contain IFG-1?

 

secondly, are there supplements that provide prebiotics?

 

thirdly, what about water kefir? is it regarded as beneficial?

 

thanks for your help.

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/05/2012 8:01 am

hey all,

incredible thread. I'm looking forward to getting on board with this regimen. makes a lot of sense what white fox and gutflora.com writes.

got a couple of questions though.

first of all. what's the deal with milk? gutflora.com says eat fermented foods and lists dairy products. haven't we all heard that dairy products are bad, not only for acne but your overall health? what about people who are lactose intolerant? is cheese and joghurt different from milk in that it doesn't contain IFG-1?

secondly, are there supplements that provide prebiotics?

thirdly, what about water kefir? is it regarded as beneficial?

thanks for your help.

 

Hi!

Why is milk not allowed on the diet, and why is fermented dairy okay?

Milk is not just this white substance that is high in calcium. Milk is specifically designed to promote rapid growth of a a growing child. It contains several hormones and bio-active peptides that potentially breach the gut barrier. Lactose and casein is also problematic for a lot of people. Read more on the problems with milk

Full-fat, grass-fed, natural (no sugar etc.) and fermented dairy (cheese, yoghurt etc.) is okay because there's very little hormones, lactose etc. left after fermentation:)

Butter and GHEE are also excellent choices.

Lactose intolerance can be treated with probiotics

Oligofructose is a common prebiotic supplement!

Water kefir is great!!

Good luck:-)

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(@dejaclairevoyant)

Posted : 09/05/2012 12:52 pm

Definitely continue to avoid dairy if it bothers you. I am working on healing my gut and do not include any dairy products in my diet. I've been dairy free since 2009 and it helps my body a lot. There are other things you can ferment for bacteria.

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(@hutchdan)

Posted : 09/06/2012 2:34 pm

whitefox did you have any blue cheese ect? If so how much?

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(@white-fox)

Posted : 09/07/2012 2:58 am

whitefox did you have any blue cheese ect? If so how much?

 

I've never eaten blue cheese, but cheese in general can be included into the diet:)

Limiting sugar, grains, legumes, processed foods and milk is the most important thing. Also limit sweet fruits if you have sweet cravings

When healthy flora and intestinal lining is achieved most people can include some "bad" foods without a problem:)

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(@sirios)

Posted : 09/07/2012 11:36 am

Hi all,

Since I am on Paleo (3 weeks) I sometimes have problems with my sleep. I wake up many times and I don't sleep well.

Could there be any connection with the diet? Anyone experiencing something similar?

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(@green-gables)

Posted : 09/07/2012 2:33 pm

Hi all,

Since I am on Paleo (3 weeks) I sometimes have problems with my sleep. I wake up many times and I don't sleep well.

Could there be any connection with the diet? Anyone experiencing something similar?

 

I did not experience this on Paleo, but I did experience this on Atkins (the original Atkins - absolutely no carbs not even vegetables) a long time ago.

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