again, how do you manage to masturbate without shooting gravy?
from what i've heard, that takes a LOT of practice...
and by masturbate, I mean actually reaching orgasm....... otherwise, it's just getting a boner
gonna use spoiler tags to answer this one
I guess, i was just getting a boner.
When i was teen, i actually did manage to reach orgasm without shooting though. I did it twice before, actually. As i recall, i just squeezed it real tight during orgasm to the point where it went back in... I didn't think that was healthy, so i never did that again. I tried to do that again recently, but couldn't. My libido ain't what it used to be
again, how do you manage to masturbate without shooting gravy?
from what i've heard, that takes a LOT of practice...
and by masturbate, I mean actually reaching orgasm....... otherwise, it's just getting a boner
gonna use spoiler tags to answer this one
I guess, i was just getting a boner.
When i was teen, i actually did manage to reach orgasm without shooting though. I did it twice before, actually. As i recall, i just squeezed it real tight during orgasm to the point where it went back in... I didn't think that was healthy, so i never did that again. I tried to do that again recently, but couldn't. My libido ain't what it used to be
nah man I cant even do that and im only 19.
but i dont see how getting a boner would make you break out, lol
again, how do you manage to masturbate without shooting gravy?
from what i've heard, that takes a LOT of practice...
and by masturbate, I mean actually reaching orgasm....... otherwise, it's just getting a boner
gonna use spoiler tags to answer this one
I guess, i was just getting a boner.
When i was teen, i actually did manage to reach orgasm without shooting though. I did it twice before, actually. As i recall, i just squeezed it real tight during orgasm to the point where it went back in... I didn't think that was healthy, so i never did that again. I tried to do that again recently, but couldn't. My libido ain't what it used to be
nah man I cant even do that and im only 19.
but i dont see how getting a boner would make you break out, lol
Well, if the general idea here is to avoid testosterone spikes, then being in tha moment of "Oh God, I just whant to finish!" could probably stimulate some testosterone. It's all somewhat theoretical. I think the whole thing may be about not even thinking very sexually, to keep hormones low.
I hate to sound like a big grinch, but isn't this all a bit ridiculous?
Plenty of men can masturbate normally and not have to worry about all these complications-- why are you spending so much time calculating, abstaining, and worrying when you could take something to permanently fix it?
Acne sucks, but so is having to do without fulfilling a natural urge-- and is it really sustainable to be holding off from masturbating? I mean, most people here sound like after one week it's been a huge victory-- but you're gonna have to abstain like that for LIFE to avoid your breakouts. Is it worth it? What about when you have a really horny week? What about when you meet a girlfriend?
I just don't think this method is sustainable.
I am not trying to be a jerk, but I just want to point out how crazy it seems--like a lot of work on your behalf when there are easier methods. Take Accutane and then jack off whenever you want LOL
When i was teen, i actually did manage to reach orgasm without shooting though. I did it twice before, actually. As i recall, i just squeezed it real tight during orgasm to the point where it went back in... I didn't think that was healthy, so i never did that again. I tried to do that again recently, but couldn't. My libido ain't what it used to be
I hate to sound like a big grinch, but isn't this all a bit ridiculous?
Plenty of men can masturbate normally and not have to worry about all these complications-- why are you spending so much time calculating, abstaining, and worrying when you could take something to permanently fix it?
Acne sucks, but so is having to do without fulfilling a natural urge-- and is it really sustainable to be holding off from masturbating? I mean, most people here sound like after one week it's been a huge victory-- but you're gonna have to abstain like that for LIFE to avoid your breakouts. Is it worth it? What about when you have a really horny week? What about when you meet a girlfriend?
I just don't think this method is sustainable.
I am not trying to be a jerk, but I just want to point out how crazy it seems--like a lot of work on your behalf when there are easier methods. Take Accutane and then jack off whenever you want LOL
When i was teen, i actually did manage to reach orgasm without shooting though. I did it twice before, actually. As i recall, i just squeezed it real tight during orgasm to the point where it went back in... I didn't think that was healthy, so i never did that again. I tried to do that again recently, but couldn't. My libido ain't what it used to be
And PS. that's really bad for you. If you press it back inside your body you're gonna get a really bad case of the blue-balls, or you're gonna have discharge coming out of ur $%& for a few days.
I've been on accutane, but I still get 1 or 2 normal size pimples a day. And that is with a BP face wash twice a day and AHA at night. If I can do something that doesn't require more crap that I have to buy, it's worth it to me.
Jerking off is fun and all, but it's not an absolutely vital part of my life. As time goes on, it's easier to not do it, because I wouldn't want to "undo" my hard work. Also, it's sort of a personal thing now, I want to prove to myself that I have self control.
As far as the girlfriend thing, I wouldn't get a girlfriend in the first place if I have zits, so it's kind of paradoxical. Anyway, I don't even want a girlfriend. Women are too much for me, I don't even get a long with my own mother.... it would be easier for me to just stay single...
Hey, chin up! You can still meet people when you have acne. In fact, chances are they will be people who aren't completely shallow if they can look past a temporary feature of your skin!
I met more and dated more guys in the year that my acne was at its worst (the last year... I never had acne before this past year) than the rest of my life put together!
Now that Accutane has pretty much cleared up my face, I don't find myself meeting more hotties lol. I think it's more about how someone looks in general, and their personality.
Hey, chin up! You can still meet people when you have acne. In fact, chances are they will be people who aren't completely shallow if they can look past a temporary feature of your skin!
I met more and dated more guys in the year that my acne was at its worst (the last year... I never had acne before this past year) than the rest of my life put together!
Now that Accutane has pretty much cleared up my face, I don't find myself meeting more hotties lol. I think it's more about how someone looks in general, and their personality.
i do agree with you, it's just that my personality was pretty much completely destroyed by the time I was done with accutane. even if my skin is clear, i still have scars, both physically and mentally...
so now i only care about how i feel about myself, and i can't stand any amount of zits, even if it's only a few. which is why im giving this a shot.
acne is the biggest mindfuck i've ever experienced
edit: while maintaining a vegan diet i notice my sex drive goes way down which i believe to be due to the lack of excess hormones which are introduced to cows in order to increase productivity. these hormones are also present in the meat, milk, cheese etc.
OMFG!!!!!!! This thread is unbelievably FUNNIEST thread i ever came across in my life. ROFL!!!!!! 
I must say I'm gonna try this out. The hard part is walking around with a boner all day at work. I mean if i don't masturbate on a regular basis, at least every other day, my boner never seem to go down. Even if it did go away, it would randomly get hard for no reason. Especially in the morning when i go wiss, unless i dont masturbate the following night or after i pee, my boner take forever to go away. This is one more ridiculously reason why having acne suks big balls so baddly.
Well, I'm rooting for you cartman. Also, I would say that you should still be open to women. I know some dudes who are extremely nerdy(not implying that you are. I know how bad low self of steem can be) but they still find girls who are into the same unique stuff they are.
Well, all this abstaining-break out thing does make sense. Every time I tried to quit I got break out about in a week and thought that I probably do need to jerk off to keep face clean. So, thanks to Chocobot for letting know about this trap.
Also I think there is a way how to avoid this break out. As I know heavy drinking can decrease testosterone level up to 40%.
Researchers have studied the effects of alcohol on both testicular functions. For example, isolated Leydig cells(1) are able to synthesize and secrete testosterone in response to gonadotropin stimulation. However, when the cells are exposed to alcohol at low concentrations (5.4 millimolar, roughly equivalent to a blood level of 0.25 milligram percent, the approximate result of five drinks), testosterone production is inhibited by as much as 44 percent. Acetaldehyde (the initial product of alcohol metabolism) is even more toxic to isolated Leydig cells than is alcohol (Van Thiel et al. 1983; Santucci et al. 1983). With respect to spermatogenesis, the testes of both alcoholic men and rats fed alcohol chronically show advanced injury to the germ cells of the seminiferous tubules, the site of sperm production within the testis (Gavaler and Van Thiel 1987).
I personally don't believe in the association between sexual activity and acne, but I know how frustrating acne can be and don't blame anyone for wanting to try the abstaining technique. But that being said, has anybody actually been able to go 2 months without sexual activity and have dramatic improvement in their acne? I'm curious to know.
By the way, I always thought it was the opposite association...in that young men have lots of testosterone (teenagers full of hormones) and that's why we tend to get more acne as teenagers and less so as adults. It's those same hormones that make us more horny and masturbate more.
I personally don't believe in the association between sexual activity and acne, but I know how frustrating acne can be and don't blame anyone for wanting to try the abstaining technique. But that being said, has anybody actually been able to go 2 months without sexual activity and have dramatic improvement in their acne? I'm curious to know.
By the way, I always thought it was the opposite association...in that young men have lots of testosterone (teenagers full of hormones) and that's why we tend to get more acne as teenagers and less so as adults. It's those same hormones that make us more horny and masturbate more.
Again, testosterone isn't the problem. DHT is the problem. DHT inflames the skin. One can have high levels of DHT, regardless of having low or high testosterone. In many cases, DHT levels are high in those with a hormonal imbalance.
so... ejaculating = low testosterone at first, causing an imbalance. Then it spikes up at 7 days, causing an imbalance.
On the 8th day, it returns back to normality, causing DHT levels to also return to normal?
as well as there being Zinc lost going into the manufacturing of semen
AND I did manage to make it to 11 days, at which case, I hate to admit, I blew it. My chest and thighs (yep) are doing better now even tho I did shoot the gravy, and my face did seemed to be doing better, but now started to break out a little bit. Sigh. I wish I blocked my porno beforehand instead of after I messed up.
Back to day 1....
There's a correlation between high prolactin and the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Prolactin surges after ejaculation. Also, zinc is important for keeping testosterone levels high and is involved in preventing its conversion to DHT. What you want to do is avoid estrogen dominance (caused by stress, pollution, high estrogenic diet, adrenal fatigue, etc) as that will speed up the conversion of testosterone to DHT. Testosterone is a GOOD thing. You wanna keep your testosterone levels high, but it's conversion to DHT low. You don't want too high or too low estrogen. It's all about hormonal balance. I'm not sure how long it takes for the male body to reach a balance after ejaculation (8 days? 10 days?), but, speaking from experience, the older you are, the harder it is to get back into balance. It's like a sugar addiction. Your body goes through a roller coaster ride as it gets sugar highs and crashes. But, for those who have very moderate amounts of sugar (or no sugar) in their diets don't go through this chaotic ride. IMO, masturbation should be limited to 3 times or even 1 time a month (depending on how healthy you are). Abstaining for a very long time could be bad too. You need to release the metals and the damaged sperm cells every now and then.
Excessive masturbation is also known to affect the adrenal gland and if you're not at optimum health you could be causing fatigue. I've read that adrenal fatigue speeds up the conversion of testosterone to DHT in post-menopausal women. I'm guessing the same might be true for men with adrenal fatigue. It might be why some people seem to get rid of acne with high dose vitamin C, as vitamin C is concentrated in your adrenals. People use vitamin C to "rebuild" the adrenals.
Also, if you wanna avoid DHT, stay away from dairy. All the DHT precursors are in dairy.
For anyone who cares enough, check out this forum/thread:
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Masturbation_a...t__t119084.html
JKSL, you are right it is DHT that more potently leads to acne, but this topic is discussing testosterone spike 7 days after ejaculation. I guess we are assuming that since testosterone is the precursor to DHT that that testosterone spike will lead to a DHT spike. But to be honest, you are right all this talk should be what happens to DHT levels after ejaculation.
The problem here is it is difficult to tell cause and effect. Maybe not naturally ejaculating leads to a feed back process that makes people more horny and increases their hormones levels and leads to worse acne. Hence, I am wondering if anyone has been able to go at least 1.5-2 months of abstaining to see what effect it has on their skin. What happens one week later can be completely random. It's really the long term sustained effect that I am curious about.
Yes, good posts. I frankly don't see how testosterone plays a role. DHT is much more potent. Summary:
Ejaculation-->Prolactin 400x--> 5-alpha reductase stimulation-->conversion of Test to DHT-->Acne
Ejaculation->chronic depletion of 3-5 mg zinc--> 1) Test to DHT conversion 2) reduced vitamin A action--------->Acne
depletion of DHA-->important fatty acid for skin, anti-inflammatory-->acne
So many possible reasons. Yet scientists won't even entertain the idea. They claim that the hormonal fluctuations are too short to cause acne. Wrong. It takes around two weeks for the hormones to reach equilibrium.
Some very good theories here, I'll try harder this time to stick with it longer than 10 days....
Whatever the reason, if not jacking can reduce acne by a meaningful amount, it's fine with me.
Are you saying you jacked it recently? Well, I think you have people rooting for you at this point, so no more jackin!