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Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:lol, no silly. Look on the back. Add up the epa and dha, it will come out to 300 mg. So you are getting 2.7 grams of omega 3 in a 9 gram fish oil dosage. 🙂 Make sense?
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*blonde moment* :wall:
Um, well, am I taking a good amount then? Or take even more? 😆
Hehe no problem! The amount you are at should be just fine =)
As for your theory you need to define very accurately what a hard gainer is before we can even begin to associate it with acne. so lets try.im familiar with term and generally implies you dont readiliy put on muscle mass when compared to another body type.
so in essence your ability to synthesize amino acids into new muscle fibers has something to do with overactive sebaceous glands? to connect those two events sounds unlikely but anything is possible, i just dont think your Question is well defined enough.
you also suggest your ability to gain is very much related to your ability to absorb nutrients which sounds somewhat true, but you would first have to prove somehow that you are not absorbing as much as the next person, only then can you begin to base a conclusion on this premise. false premise usually never infers to a true conclusion.
Thanks for your reply AutonomousOne. Let me give a shot at defining this -- and hardgainer may have been an inappropriate term. I suppose what I'm describing is:
A person that, even when consuming an average (say, 2000 calorie) diet, has a weight that is significantly below average for their height, eliminating all variables such as exercise and lifestyle. That is, their "natural weight" is significantly below average.
Now, you're absolutely right, a lot comes into play with this, because a lot of things define a person's weight. Bone mass, I'm sure, is one thing. I'm fairly thin and long-boned, so I'm sure that contributes to me being "underweight" for my height. Perhaps smaller bone mass is part of the definition of a hardgainer, perhaps not. I'm not really sure.
I may actually be misusing the term "hardgainer" here, so please excuse me if this is the case, but I had never considered confining the definition of a hardgainer only to muscle mass. In my mind a hardgainer puts on neither fat nor bone mass as readily either.
They simply don't seem gain any type of weight as readily, almost as if their body is not making as much overall use of the fuel (food) it is supplied as compared with other (let's say average) people.
Anyway, operating on this more general definition of a "hardgainer" rather than confining it only to a muscle building deficiency, I felt a bit more comfortable making a broader connection to an overall nutrient deficiency problem or overall metabolism issue. A deficiency or metabolic issue that could possibly also have an impact on skin health. Do you see sort of where I'm trying to go with this?
I admit, it is a somewhat tenuous connection to make. I feel that there are a disproportionately large amount of underweight acne suffers, but I may just be seeing patterns where I want to see them. It wouldn't be the first time, heh.
That's what I'd like to get a handle on if possible. But you're right, the definition is very important. Does this clarify things?
oh yea this clarifys it a bit, and its something people have said before, its the "why do fat people tend to have clearer skin?when compared to skinnier people" and from my observations and others observations there has always been a general connection between naturally skinny people as opposed to naturally fat people, this could also be just because of pure chance as well, all the fatter people with acne just might not be walking around as much!!so we see less of them, but as a tentative general observation, and just for spitballing theories, we can momentarily assume this to be the case.
But i still dont believe a difference in metabolism means you are getting less vitamins and nutrients due to absorbtion, and i dont know enough about metabolic body types to even begin thinking about how it relates to acne, Except for possibly genetic differences in dealing with excess cholesterol, which is theory i also developed supported by various scientific studies, basically acne could be our bodys way of getting rid of excess cholesterol, as sebum is fatty acids also known to be serum derived(from the blood stream exogenously) and there is a study that correlated higher total serum cholesterol with acne severity, and there was another study done on like 1400 acne patients where they found about 90% of them to be deficient in a component of hdl cholesterol called apolipoprotein a1 what this does is collect excess cholesterol from cells that excrete it and shuttle it to the liver to be excreted in the bowels. which is interesting because of past theories of acne being related to liver function) but could also just be purely coincidental.And another study found that acne patients have like a 40% reduced risk of heart attack due to lack of athersclerosis(fatty plaque buildup in the arteries) So in essence our skinny bodys may excrete this excess cholesterol through our skin, while other body types store it as body fat or get rid of it the right way through the bowels via the liver. But how that relates to the body types ability to also gain muscle could be related to the fact they have more body fat readily burned as energy and could more easily be in a positive nitrogen balance for an anabolic state.
And this is all also related to fish oil as well because generally speaking it is supposed to turn the bodys fat burning genes on as opposed to its fat storing genes, Which i think are the ppar receptors which are activated with various eicosanoids made from essential fatty acids such as o3's from fish oil.
Veeery interesting, AutonomousOne1980. Thanks for your insight!
Day 2:
My face is so-so today. There are a few actives. There's a big one under my lower lip that still hasn't surfaced (it will probably become a whitehead... yay!). There's a decent sized whitehead along my jawline. My acne likes to cluster along my jawline and neck. A tiny whitehead next to my nose. A whitehead on the forehead. This is not too unusual... I'm all about the whiteheads.
For whatever reason the bacne stuff seems to take a LONG time to fade, so I don't expect much there yet, and probably won't be mentioning that for another few weeks.
My farts smell like raw sewage (i think due to the fish oil). Ok I'm exaggerating a bit (just a bit), but either way it's no biggie... I can hold those back when needed. The same can't be said for acne.
Now, another thing I didn't mention is that I'm coming off a 2-3 month course of minocylcin right now. So, that could factor into things here as my body readjusts from that. I had results initially from the mino, but those tapered off, and i would still get occasional breakouts. I don't think i'll be going back to mino or any other antibiotics for that matter. I'm really tiring of these temporary solutions, and derms in general. Actually I never did trust derms, but thought I would humor myself so i gave it a shot. I will never do accutane or B5 super dosing. My acne bothers me, but not enough to take those kinds of risks. Particularly because I already have thin hair and can't really afford to risk losing more.
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Also, just for the record, i also started taking a daily dose of 1500mg of MSM recently for healthier hair, nail health, and joint health. I can't imagine this making a difference, but just thought i'd mention it. i don't really take any other supplements or multi vitamins, and i plan to keep it that way so i can control as many variables as possible.
And per DK recommendations, I recently switched to a 2 blade razor from a 3 blade razor.
Ok! I think that takes care of all variables.
Another quick note...
For a great and convenient natural source of Omega3, i pick up these salmon burgers from costco. 5 minutes each side on the pan.
there's about 1G of O3 per burger, and i usually eat 2 of these per meal, so that's over 2G of O3 in a natural meal. Also a sizable 22g of protein per burger and only 9g of fat per burger (1g sat fat).
These are indeed made using Wild caught salmon, btw. You can see this mentioned in the description on the back of the bag pic below.
(Btw, img tags won't work for me for some reason. The bare tags end up showing up in my post. Anyone know what that's all about?)
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I'm at about 6.4 grams (4 tsp of Carlson's Very Finest Fish Oil Lemon Flavor at 1600 mg of omega 3s per tsp). I was taking 3 tsp a day for at least a year without seeing noticeable differences in my skin, but going up to 4 seems to be making a difference.
The primary reason I take fish oil is to deal with depression. It was a lovely bonus to discover that it's also good for acne. And it seems to be good for my joints, as well ‚ they don't sound nearly as much like breakfast cereal (snap-crackle-POP!!!) as they used to. 
does anyone here take more than 4grams and if so is it because the 4grams didn't work for your acne but the higher dosage does?
I take 8.6 grams a day....I dont feel comfortable taking anything unless until I get my face completely under control. Theres no reason for me not to, its good for me. But for the record, wasn't bber taking like 20 grams a day...can someone confirm?
No one knows if theres a certain amount that should work, because its untested and everyones different. Some people have good results from low dosages, some people need more. Its also thought possible that taking higher dosages helps to level out the deficiency quicker. In any case, this is something that takes time, but someone who is taking high dosages might reach a level of improvement a month or so sooner than someone who is only taking a couple grams a day.
So NdnRomeo, fish oil completely got rid of your body acne?
Yes mam, I think it was about 1 month in, and it just went away. I amount it to more than a correlation because it lessened my facial acne considerably as well. It never came back. I used to have body acne for many years prior. I just know it was it. But it's still a mystery as to why my face acne just never completely went away. Which is one I am still figuring out.
Another quick note...For a great and convenient natural source of Omega3, i pick up these salmon burgers from costco. 5 minutes each side on the pan.
there's about 1G of O3 per burger, and i usually eat 2 of these per meal, so that's over 2G of O3 in a natural meal. Also a sizable 22g of protein per burger and only 9g of fat per burger (1g sat fat).
These are indeed made using Wild caught salmon, btw. You can see this mentioned in the description on the back of the bag pic below.
(Btw, img tags won't work for me for some reason. The bare
[/img] tags end up showing up in my post. Anyone know what that's all about?)
Great find andy! Thank you for that contribution, that is an amazing meal!
My hands used to almost ALWAYS be cold, and reddish in color.
Since being on the fish oil, this is happening much less often.
This is really great, because the cold hands thing was quite annoying.
Perhaps this is due to a thinning of blood consistency caused by the fish oil (thus better blood/warmth circulation)? does that make sense?
does anyone here take more than 4grams and if so is it because the 4grams didn't work for your acne but the higher dosage does?I take 8.6 grams a day....I dont feel comfortable taking anything unless until I get my face completely under control. Theres no reason for me not to, its good for me. But for the record, wasn't bber taking like 20 grams a day...can someone confirm?
No one knows if theres a certain amount that should work, because its untested and everyones different. Some people have good results from low dosages, some people need more. Its also thought possible that taking higher dosages helps to level out the deficiency quicker. In any case, this is something that takes time, but someone who is taking high dosages might reach a level of improvement a month or so sooner than someone who is only taking a couple grams a day.
are you taking pills? or the liquid form? which one is better anyway?
><;; I've stopped taking it today because everyone's telling me that my acne has gotten worst.
I still get chest acne and a little bit of bacne. Like you said WB, the red marks are horrid. Then again my body turns red for anything.
I know what you mean, but just hang in there. When I started this, even though my acne improved dramitically, I still looked pretty bad from red marks. But now, nearly 4 months in, those same red marks have mostly faded and my face is looking great...it just takes a solid/consistent treatment and time and it will improve.
are you taking pills? or the liquid form? which one is better anyway?><;; I've stopped taking it today because everyone's telling me that my acne has gotten worst.
Pills. Liquid form is better for some people who prefer to just down a few tablespoons a day instead of taking a lot of pills.
Before you completely stop, how long have you been taking them? Dont make the mistake of just starting fish oil and around the same time get a breakout from something you normally would and blaming it on the fish oil. Make sure your fish oil isn't rancid either. Good luck.
I still get chest acne and a little bit of bacne. Like you said WB, the red marks are horrid. Then again my body turns red for anything.I know what you mean, but just hang in there. When I started this, even though my acne improved dramitically, I still looked pretty bad from red marks. But now, nearly 4 months in, those same red marks have mostly faded and my face is looking great...it just takes a solid/consistent treatment and time and it will improve.
are you taking pills? or the liquid form? which one is better anyway?><;; I've stopped taking it today because everyone's telling me that my acne has gotten worst.
Pills. Liquid form is better for some people who prefer to just down a few tablespoons a day instead of taking a lot of pills.
Before you completely stop, how long have you been taking them? Dont make the mistake of just starting fish oil and around the same time get a breakout from something you normally would and blaming it on the fish oil. Make sure your fish oil isn't rancid either. Good luck.
I took them back in april then I stopped in may and I started again in June. Oh crap that could have been it ><;; I don't remember I think I started after I started getting breakouts. Hmmm rancid? what do you mean? thanks for the help
btw since your taking pills how many pills are you taking? how is the amount of omega 3 in the pills and what brand?
I still get chest acne and a little bit of bacne. Like you said WB, the red marks are horrid. Then again my body turns red for anything.
Have you tried elimination diets? It may be really worth it. Because if nothing at all is working so far, it sounds really fishy. Try elminating gluten for one week, see what happens. Also, try eliminating dairy the next. Or both. I know what you're thinking, that seems impossible, but list out all the foods that you CAN eat and forget about the foods you can't, and go for it. You may have withdrawal emotions like I did, but after the first few days, it lessens and if it's working, you will genuinely know it.
Try it out 🙂
romeo how many fish pills are you taking now? and how long until you truly saw effects?
I'm not a good measure of effects directly because there were other variables effecting the time of results. One of the reasons being is two weeks after I started fish oil at low doses ( because I did not know any better ) I started taking green tea extracts in the doses they used in clinical studies, which hindered me a lot due to how it works. But I would say that it took at least a good month before I noticed more than a correlation between the two, even with green tea. But when I stopped green tea, it was a lot better. But then again, also remember we're all different and some may not respond at all, while some respond incredibly, and some even get a negative reaction ( 🙁 ).
As for right now, I am fluctuating between 2 to 3 grams, but I am continually experimenting with doses of this as well as whatever else I take, for one to two weeks at a time.
Hope that was of some help!
I took them back in april then I stopped in may and I started again in June. Oh crap that could have been it ><;; I don't remember I think I started after I started getting breakouts. Hmmm rancid? what do you mean? thanks for the help
My guess is that's why you're not seeing results you haven't been taking it for a long enough sustained period. Some people may get results within a couple of weeks, but I didn't.
I'd suggest taking it daily for 3 months, then assessing how your skin is doing.
I know its mostly all about acne but I want to know how fish oil has helped people with depression, anxiety or panic attacks.
I started fish oil about 2 years ago roughly and it was for my depression after I read the book Natural healing for depression form professor Basant Puri.
I found it to help lift my depression a bit and kinda help my anxiety within 2 monthes but not sure if it was placebo but it didnt cure it. People used to comment how good my skin looked though when I was taking it. So I think it does affect your skin...
I was taking liquid Equazen HIgh EPA marine oil....Aparently its said in the book EPA should be taken at 2000mls and DHA inhibits EPA alot. I thought the brain is made up of DHA and EPA is used throughout the body..
You can get Capsules that have no DHA www.vegepa.com it was recommended in the book I read.
Also do you know if it can cause blackheads...my mum reckons I got alot of blackheads though from the fish oil but I cant prove if its my diet or the fish oil.
I still get chest acne and a little bit of bacne. Like you said WB, the red marks are horrid. Then again my body turns red for anything.I know what you mean, but just hang in there. When I started this, even though my acne improved dramitically, I still looked pretty bad from red marks. But now, nearly 4 months in, those same red marks have mostly faded and my face is looking great...it just takes a solid/consistent treatment and time and it will improve.
April 26th was when I started this. So in a little under a week that'll be 2 months. Face has certainly calmed down lots. I can't really recall my last white head, but I still get red pimples (not sure of the exact term, inflammed?) Oil is almost gone, but I wish I would have read this before Murad ruined my forehead 🙁 I'll keep it up though for probably another 4 months with this same dosage. Lets see how that goes. 🙂
I still get chest acne and a little bit of bacne. Like you said WB, the red marks are horrid. Then again my body turns red for anything.Have you tried elimination diets? It may be really worth it. Because if nothing at all is working so far, it sounds really fishy. Try elminating gluten for one week, see what happens. Also, try eliminating dairy the next. Or both. I know what you're thinking, that seems impossible, but list out all the foods that you CAN eat and forget about the foods you can't, and go for it. You may have withdrawal emotions like I did, but after the first few days, it lessens and if it's working, you will genuinely know it.
Try it out 🙂
I haven't tried any diets like that. It's working for sure dude, but I'm very red in the face lol, so my marks look a lot worse then they do when my face is at a normal tone. What would contain gluten? I know what dairy is, so I can try that first.
Although, I still don't think this is a complete answer to acne. My cousin had acne for about as long as me, he eats bad and now his is basically gone. He's done nothing to get rid of it but use some Neutrogena topical creams. Doubt that was the answer lol.
Keep on truckin' everyone! :dance:
can someone tell me about the rancid test again?
my last two brands i bought do NOT have any lemon flavour in them (since im trying to avoid lemon for intolerance reasons).. so when i bit into them... they had a really fishy taste. veryyy fishy. i dont know if this is normal or not. i would imagine fish oil itself (without masking it with lemon) wouldn't be very pleasant though.
I haven't tried any diets like that. It's working for sure dude, but I'm very red in the face lol, so my marks look a lot worse then they do when my face is at a normal tone. What would contain gluten? I know what dairy is, so I can try that first.Although, I still don't think this is a complete answer to acne. My cousin had acne for about as long as me, he eats bad and now his is basically gone. He's done nothing to get rid of it but use some Neutrogena topical creams. Doubt that was the answer lol.
Keep on truckin' everyone! :dance:
The enzymes are working for you? Or you meant like something else, fish oil?
Gluten is anything wheat, rye, barley (i think). But primarily grains. Look on the ingredients, wheat is the biggest offender. 🙂 Dairy is the obvious stuff, so try that out first. I think grains may just do it. But if the enzymes are working with the fish oil, just keep doing it and see what happens 🙂
can someone tell me about the rancid test again?my last two brands i bought do NOT have any lemon flavour in them (since im trying to avoid lemon for intolerance reasons).. so when i bit into them... they had a really fishy taste. veryyy fishy. i dont know if this is normal or not. i would imagine fish oil itself (without masking it with lemon) wouldn't be very pleasant though.
The final step you can take to insure freshness of your fish oil capsules is to bite into one and chew it. If it is rancid, youll know it. If it is, throw the whole batch out. If you perform the chew test every four or five days, youll always know youre taking unrancid fish oil.
I think someone else said that if you put it in the fridge, it should not get cloudy and should stay in oil fluid form (something like that).
I know its mostly all about acne but I want to know how fish oil has helped people with depression, anxiety or panic attacks.I started fish oil about 2 years ago roughly and it was for my depression after I read the book Natural healing for depression form professor Basant Puri.
I found it to help lift my depression a bit and kinda help my anxiety within 2 monthes but not sure if it was placebo but it didnt cure it. People used to comment how good my skin looked though when I was taking it. So I think it does affect your skin...
I was taking liquid Equazen HIgh EPA marine oil....Aparently its said in the book EPA should be taken at 2000mls and DHA inhibits EPA alot. I thought the brain is made up of DHA and EPA is used throughout the body..
You can get Capsules that have no DHA www.vegepa.com it was recommended in the book I read.
Also do you know if it can cause blackheads...my mum reckons I got alot of blackheads though from the fish oil but I cant prove if its my diet or the fish oil.
Oh yes very much so, it has helped so much with my mood it's unbelievable! I used to be depressed over acne, and I cannot believe the outlook on life I have just because of this. I swear, amazing stuff.
I don't know if it can cause blackheads, aren't they caused by sebum plugs being oxidized? Something like that. Not sure. I don't know much about it =(
okay then i think my fish oils have been rancid. those were expensive ones (SISU brand)... they gave me fish burps. so i just bought a huge bottle from costco. i bit into one today... had a similar fishy taste. not s strong but still unpleasant.
i had an old bottle of Carlson's fish oil lying around so i just tried biting into that... had that same fishy taste. but ppl here have been raving about carlson's.. so i dont know.... maybe its just an old bottle?
i dont know whats okay or not...!