Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff!

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff! :dance:

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

I need to start taking mine again. But I have the actual fish oil... it's flavored (yeah, right) but it's worth it...

Can anyone suggest a great deal on these? I went and purchased some at CVS when they were on a 2 for 1 sale, but I'll quickly be running out as I'm taking 16 (6.0g) a day.

I've tried Members Mark from Amazon, and they were fine until I got to the end of the first bottle and even worse on second bottle. First burps like crazy.

I know Puritans Pride was also a good choice, but there are so many on that site I'm not sure which would be the right one.

Also I just realised I'm not even on 2 months. After the first month of counting days I felt like time was flying after, but here I am on 1 month and 3 weeks and time is moving along just fine. I believe I've been missing the digestive part so hopefully the digestive enzymes I'm taking will help me get clearer.

Can anyone suggest a great deal on these?

I think I like the Spring Valley brand from Walmart best at this point. I get the bottle of 300, which are enteric coated, and thats supposed to prevent fish burps(though I dont personally get them form any brand) and they have 432 EPA & 288 DHA so you get a lot per capsule. I think theyre no more than 12 bucks.

By the way, ive been thinking that the good ol' omega 6/omega 3 balance that was stressed so much when this all first started is a lot more important than I realized. After I got out of school a few weeks ago, my face started to get kinda bad again and that made no sense to me. But eventually I first realized that I was getting a chance to eat a lot more food during the day now, while during school I usually dont eat the whole day until dinner. So I was like ok, I need to stop eating as much, but then I remembered that even more specifically, I need to watch my omega 6 intake like I did when I first started. Its gonna take a good week to really know, but if by then i've really stabilized my face again then i'll know for sure and never have this problem again.

I bought 80 caps for 6,5$ today (I'm from Europe). It seems as if it's really expensive here.

It contains 33% EPA and 22%DHA. So when I take 6 caps, i'll get 1,65g of O3. In fact i wanna take 12 caps a day, so that I would get 3,3g of O3. But this would mean I would be able to use the box of fish oil for 6,6days (80 caps/12). This seems pretty expensive to me

So would it be a good idea to buy it online? I'm from Belgium so the delivery cost

might become a lot, but maybe it will be cheaper than now. Anyone knows a good website with low delivery costs and good quality fish oil ?

PS. Is the percentage of EPA and DHA a good indicator for the quality of the caps?

I'm going to by some of this stuff and try it out as soon as I can. Asda sells 90 capsules for A3.48 so this is totally within my budget. I'll start taking 1g a day and build it up next week to 2 and so on.

To save me reading through this whole thing, is there a maximum amount of grams you can take a day which would be deemed dangerous? I read that someone takes 9g a day and their skin is amazing, is this a high dosage? Shall I just keep building up the dosage or stick at 4g when I'm there? Thanks for anyone that answers.

I have mild/moderate acne on my face and some mild/moderate bacne as well.

I just started the Fish Oil yesterday. I bought Nature Made stuff (see attached image).

So far I've taken 5 1200mg caps (432 EPA / 288 DHA per).

My skin actually feels really good right now. It could be just coincidence. I do have my "moments" of good skin, but I've never been able to correlate these moments with anything (random chance? I guess that's what the derms of the world would have us believe). Hopefully this omega3/6 balance is it.

I'll try to post updates here. Unfortunately I'm having trouble finding much omega information on the food products I eat (a lot of veg stuff, like boca burgers, veggie burgers, etc). So for now, I'm just going to take a couple of pills with each meal. I eat 4 meals, so this should work out to 9-10g per day. I've taken fish oil in the past, but it was always only 1 pill per day and I didn't notice much of a difference. This time, I don't want to mess around, and hit it hard with a fairly high dosage.

I also just wanted to thank everybody that worked on this thread! there's a lot of really great research in here.

Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff! :dance:

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

That is really amazing to hear! I am glad it works for you, and you are digesting these well without any outside help (enzymes,probiotics).

In terms of saw palmetto, I don't really think it's necessary. Ask your doctor first, fish oil should pretty much cover hormonal imbalances to a good amount. But saw palmetto... I'm not too sure, that will be your call, or what your doc insists.

Also, how much omega 3 is there in each capsule? I think 300 mg right? So I am assuming you are getting 2.7 grams a day? That's a pretty good dose 🙂 I think anywhere in between 2 to 3 is conservative and effective. It's a good indicator of how you will respond to it too.

I bought 80 caps for 6,5$ today (I'm from Europe). It seems as if it's really expensive here.

It contains 33% EPA and 22%DHA. So when I take 6 caps, i'll get 1,65g of O3. In fact i wanna take 12 caps a day, so that I would get 3,3g of O3. But this would mean I would be able to use the box of fish oil for 6,6days (80 caps/12). This seems pretty expensive to me 🙁

So would it be a good idea to buy it online? I'm from Belgium so the delivery cost

might become a lot, but maybe it will be cheaper than now. Anyone knows a good website with low delivery costs and good quality fish oil 😎 ?

PS. Is the percentage of EPA and DHA a good indicator for the quality of the caps?

Ah damn! I don't know any good sources where they could ship to belgium. What are the costs on bodybuilding.com? So many people use that site so I figure they should ship almost everywhere? Check it out.

Percentage generally does not indicate quality of the capsules, but just the quantity in them 🙂 Standard is 300 mg per 1 gram capsules generally

I'm going to by some of this stuff and try it out as soon as I can. Asda sells 90 capsules for 3.48 so this is totally within my budget. I'll start taking 1g a day and build it up next week to 2 and so on.

To save me reading through this whole thing, is there a maximum amount of grams you can take a day which would be deemed dangerous? I read that someone takes 9g a day and their skin is amazing, is this a high dosage? Shall I just keep building up the dosage or stick at 4g when I'm there? Thanks for anyone that answers.

I would say, that generally 4 grams of o3 is high, safe, and very effective. Anything above that may be surplus. But 2 to 3 is extremely safe, recommended, and conservative too (like I told roxy above). But generally, just remember to go slowly. And another tip to remember is that the amount of fish oil is not the amount of o3 (in case you didn't know, just putting it out there =) ).

So roxy took 9 grams of fish oil, but 2.7 grams of actual o3 :).

I have mild/moderate acne on my face and some mild/moderate bacne as well.

I just started the Fish Oil yesterday. I bought Nature Made stuff (see attached image).

So far I've taken 5 1200mg caps (432 EPA / 288 DHA per).

My skin actually feels really good right now. It could be just coincidence. I do have my "moments" of good skin, but I've never been able to correlate these moments with anything (random chance? I guess that's what the derms of the world would have us believe). Hopefully this omega3/6 balance is it.

I'll try to post updates here. Unfortunately I'm having trouble finding much omega information on the food products I eat (a lot of veg stuff, like boca burgers, veggie burgers, etc). So for now, I'm just going to take a couple of pills with each meal. I eat 4 meals, so this should work out to 9-10g per day. I've taken fish oil in the past, but it was always only 1 pill per day and I didn't notice much of a difference. This time, I don't want to mess around, and hit it hard with a fairly high dosage.

I also just wanted to thank everybody that worked on this thread! there's a lot of really great research in here.

Welcome aboard, I hope you have the same success many here have :). Just remember to go slow and ease on up instead of all at once (I did that once, not worth it). So go slow, and once you get used to it, no dose will be a problem. I don't see the image yet so I hope it comes up soon :).

You said 5 pills at .7 grams of o3 in each yea? So you are taking 3.5 grams of o3 yea? That sounds like a good spot :).

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Goodnight guys, this is the only time I had today, see you all tomorrow! (school's almost done, next week is the last week!)

Its been a while since ive seen this thread, it seems this fish oil thing has really caught on, and rightly so, there are many good justifiable reasons for why it helps acne.

When i first started to take large doses of fish oil i became about 99% clear for three weeks straight(best ive ever felt), then for various reason which i attribute to dietary alterations, i would start to break out again, and then for whatever reason, i couldnt reproduce those results that i first got, so now im going to give it another shot.

So reason why it may have worked so well those first three weeks:

Low omega 6

Low sugar

Placebo effect

Carrot juice in combination with fish oil

brand(formulation) of fish oil the first brand i took had no added vitamin e.

Pure dumb luck!!

Ive actually just taken two accutane pills over the last week and i convinced myself that Its some serious shit, and most likely will not be taking it anymore as im not confident in its complete safety, which is also the reason why im trying to reproduce the results i got when i first started fish oil, im also going to try azelaic acid, differin and tazorac to try and control this disease. Ive been using tretinoin gel for some time now which helps but not enough.

and ive never actually quit taking fish oil so ive never doubted its health effects, ive only decreased my dosage after i decided that its effect was short term, but now it may be because of the above reasons.

Welcome aboard, I hope you have the same success many here have :). Just remember to go slow and ease on up instead of all at once (I did that once, not worth it). So go slow, and once you get used to it, no dose will be a problem. I don't see the image yet so I hope it comes up soon :).

You said 5 pills at .7 grams of o3 in each yea? So you are taking 3.5 grams of o3 yea? That sounds like a good spot :).

Thanks man... yeah that sounds right. So you'd advocate moving up to 3.5 rather than jumping right to it?

On a slightly unrelated note, there's something I've always wondered about my acne. I'm what's called a hardgainer.... I'm about 5' 11'' and 150 pounds. Even if I want to, it takes great effort for me to gain weight. I really don't mind this though... I get excercise, I'm in great shape, I'm fairly strong for that weight, and I eat fairly well, so I don't concern myself with it too much.

That said, I've always wondered if this hardgaining thing is somehow related to me not metabolizing as thoroughly as most people. Perhaps food passes through my body more quickly, and less nutrition is extracted from the food than is for most people. If this theory is true, it would leave me deficient in certain things my body needs -- perhaps things that my body needs to give me healthy skin.

Clearly, there are people that don't get the appropriate levels of Omega3/6 and treat their skin like shit, but still don't have acne, so there's something else at play here. That something else is of course genetics.

Maybe a genetic inability to fully metabolize certain skin-aiding nutrients properly is part of the equation?

And maybe this inability to easily gain weight is an indicator of this. I must admit, I've seen very few overweight people with acne. That's not to say it doesn't happen... I've seen it -- just not as much, and there could be multiple genetic causes for acne. So the hardgain theory could just be one of many possible causes. That is, it could provide an explanation for some, but not for others. After looking at these forums for a few hours, it becomes pretty clear that there are many different solutions for this problem, and some work for some people while others don't, so that might indicate multiple genetic causes.

I actually saw this whole hardgain theory proposed in another thread on this forum and it intrigued me a lot... someone please post the link if they have it.

This leads me to wonder if we could get sort of a head count of how many people here are also hardgainers. And also, how many people are hardgainers that saw results with Omega3 versus those that aren't hardgainers and what type of results they saw from Omega3.

Anyway... just a thought.

Welcome aboard, I hope you have the same success many here have :). Just remember to go slow and ease on up instead of all at once (I did that once, not worth it). So go slow, and once you get used to it, no dose will be a problem. I don't see the image yet so I hope it comes up soon :).

You said 5 pills at .7 grams of o3 in each yea? So you are taking 3.5 grams of o3 yea? That sounds like a good spot :).

Thanks man... yeah that sounds right. So you'd advocate moving up to 3.5 rather than jumping right to it?

On a slightly unrelated note, there's something I've always wondered about my acne. I'm what's called a hardgainer.... I'm about 5' 11'' and 150 pounds. Even if I want to, it takes great effort for me to gain weight. I really don't mind this though... I get excercise, I'm in great shape, I'm fairly strong for that weight, and I eat fairly well, so I don't concern myself with it too much.

That said, I've always wondered if this hardgaining thing is somehow related to me not metabolizing as thoroughly as most people. Perhaps food passes through my body more quickly, and less nutrition is extracted from the food than is for most people. If this theory is true, it would leave me deficient in certain things my body needs -- perhaps things that my body needs to give me healthy skin.

Clearly, there are people that don't get the appropriate levels of Omega3/6 and treat their skin like shit, but still don't have acne, so there's something else at play here. That something else is of course genetics.

Maybe a genetic inability to fully metabolize certain skin-aiding nutrients properly is part of the equation?

And maybe this inability to easily gain weight is an indicator of this. I must admit, I've seen very few overweight people with acne. That's not to say it doesn't happen... I've seen it -- just not as much, and there could be multiple genetic causes for acne. So the hardgain theory could just be one of many possible causes. That is, it could provide an explanation for some, but not for others. After looking at these forums for a few hours, it becomes pretty clear that there are many different solutions for this problem, and some work for some people while others don't, so that might indicate multiple genetic causes.

I actually saw this whole hardgain theory proposed in another thread on this forum and it intrigued me a lot... someone please post the link if they have it.

This leads me to wonder if we could get sort of a head count of how many people here are also hardgainers. And also, how many people are hardgainers that saw results with Omega3 versus those that aren't hardgainers and what type of results they saw from Omega3.

Anyway... just a thought.

 

You are dead on when you mentioned genetics, its a huge factor.

As for your theory you need to define very accurately what a hard gainer is before we can even begin to associate it with acne. so lets try.

im familiar with term and generally implies you dont readiliy put on muscle mass when compared to another body type.

so in essence your ability to synthesize amino acids into new muscle fibers has something to do with overactive sebaceous glands? to connect those two events sounds unlikely but anything is possible, i just dont think your Question is well defined enough.

you also suggest your ability to gain is very much related to your ability to absorb nutrients which sounds somewhat true, but you would first have to prove somehow that you are not absorbing as much as the next person, only then can you begin to base a conclusion on this premise. false premise usually never infers to a true conclusion.

As for your theory you need to define very accurately what a hard gainer is before we can even begin to associate it with acne. so lets try.

im familiar with term and generally implies you dont readiliy put on muscle mass when compared to another body type.

so in essence your ability to synthesize amino acids into new muscle fibers has something to do with overactive sebaceous glands? to connect those two events sounds unlikely but anything is possible, i just dont think your Question is well defined enough.

you also suggest your ability to gain is very much related to your ability to absorb nutrients which sounds somewhat true, but you would first have to prove somehow that you are not absorbing as much as the next person, only then can you begin to base a conclusion on this premise. false premise usually never infers to a true conclusion.

Thanks for your reply AutonomousOne. Let me give a shot at defining this -- and hardgainer may have been an inappropriate term. I suppose what I'm describing is:

A person that, even when consuming an average (say, 2000 calorie) diet, has a weight that is significantly below average for their height, eliminating all variables such as exercise and lifestyle. That is, their "natural weight" is significantly below average.

Now, you're absolutely right, a lot comes into play with this, because a lot of things define a person's weight. Bone mass, I'm sure, is one thing. I'm fairly thin and long-boned, so I'm sure that contributes to me being "underweight" for my height. Perhaps smaller bone mass is part of the definition of a hardgainer, perhaps not. I'm not really sure.

I may actually be misusing the term "hardgainer" here, so please excuse me if this is the case, but I had never considered confining the definition of a hardgainer only to muscle mass. In my mind a hardgainer puts on neither fat nor bone mass as readily either.

They simply don't seem gain any type of weight as readily, almost as if their body is not making as much overall use of the fuel (food) it is supplied as compared with other (let's say average) people.

Anyway, operating on this more general definition of a "hardgainer" rather than confining it only to a muscle building deficiency, I felt a bit more comfortable making a broader connection to an overall nutrient deficiency problem or overall metabolism issue. A deficiency or metabolic issue that could possibly also have an impact on skin health. Do you see sort of where I'm trying to go with this?

I admit, it is a somewhat tenuous connection to make. I feel that there are a disproportionately large amount of underweight acne suffers, but I may just be seeing patterns where I want to see them. It wouldn't be the first time, heh.

That's what I'd like to get a handle on if possible. But you're right, the definition is very important. Does this clarify things?

Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff! :dance:

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

That is really amazing to hear! I am glad it works for you, and you are digesting these well without any outside help (enzymes,probiotics).

In terms of saw palmetto, I don't really think it's necessary. Ask your doctor first, fish oil should pretty much cover hormonal imbalances to a good amount. But saw palmetto... I'm not too sure, that will be your call, or what your doc insists.

Also, how much omega 3 is there in each capsule? I think 300 mg right? So I am assuming you are getting 2.7 grams a day? That's a pretty good dose 🙂 I think anywhere in between 2 to 3 is conservative and effective. It's a good indicator of how you will respond to it too.

 

I bought 80 caps for 6,5$ today (I'm from Europe). It seems as if it's really expensive here.

It contains 33% EPA and 22%DHA. So when I take 6 caps, i'll get 1,65g of O3. In fact i wanna take 12 caps a day, so that I would get 3,3g of O3. But this would mean I would be able to use the box of fish oil for 6,6days (80 caps/12). This seems pretty expensive to me 🙁

So would it be a good idea to buy it online? I'm from Belgium so the delivery cost

might become a lot, but maybe it will be cheaper than now. Anyone knows a good website with low delivery costs and good quality fish oil 😎 ?

PS. Is the percentage of EPA and DHA a good indicator for the quality of the caps?

Ah damn! I don't know any good sources where they could ship to belgium. What are the costs on bodybuilding.com? So many people use that site so I figure they should ship almost everywhere? Check it out.

Percentage generally does not indicate quality of the capsules, but just the quantity in them 🙂 Standard is 300 mg per 1 gram capsules generally

 

Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:

Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff! :dance:

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

That is really amazing to hear! I am glad it works for you, and you are digesting these well without any outside help (enzymes,probiotics).

In terms of saw palmetto, I don't really think it's necessary. Ask your doctor first, fish oil should pretty much cover hormonal imbalances to a good amount. But saw palmetto... I'm not too sure, that will be your call, or what your doc insists.

Also, how much omega 3 is there in each capsule? I think 300 mg right? So I am assuming you are getting 2.7 grams a day? That's a pretty good dose 🙂 I think anywhere in between 2 to 3 is conservative and effective. It's a good indicator of how you will respond to it too.

 

I bought 80 caps for 6,5$ today (I'm from Europe). It seems as if it's really expensive here.

It contains 33% EPA and 22%DHA. So when I take 6 caps, i'll get 1,65g of O3. In fact i wanna take 12 caps a day, so that I would get 3,3g of O3. But this would mean I would be able to use the box of fish oil for 6,6days (80 caps/12). This seems pretty expensive to me 🙁

So would it be a good idea to buy it online? I'm from Belgium so the delivery cost

might become a lot, but maybe it will be cheaper than now. Anyone knows a good website with low delivery costs and good quality fish oil 😎 ?

PS. Is the percentage of EPA and DHA a good indicator for the quality of the caps?

Ah damn! I don't know any good sources where they could ship to belgium. What are the costs on bodybuilding.com? So many people use that site so I figure they should ship almost everywhere? Check it out.

Percentage generally does not indicate quality of the capsules, but just the quantity in them 🙂 Standard is 300 mg per 1 gram capsules generally

 

Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:

 

what brand and has it been working for you?

I just use the Member's Mark brand that I get at Sam's Club. They work awesome!

Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff! :dance:

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

That is really amazing to hear! I am glad it works for you, and you are digesting these well without any outside help (enzymes,probiotics).

In terms of saw palmetto, I don't really think it's necessary. Ask your doctor first, fish oil should pretty much cover hormonal imbalances to a good amount. But saw palmetto... I'm not too sure, that will be your call, or what your doc insists.

Also, how much omega 3 is there in each capsule? I think 300 mg right? So I am assuming you are getting 2.7 grams a day? That's a pretty good dose 🙂 I think anywhere in between 2 to 3 is conservative and effective. It's a good indicator of how you will respond to it too.

 

I bought 80 caps for 6,5$ today (I'm from Europe). It seems as if it's really expensive here.

It contains 33% EPA and 22%DHA. So when I take 6 caps, i'll get 1,65g of O3. In fact i wanna take 12 caps a day, so that I would get 3,3g of O3. But this would mean I would be able to use the box of fish oil for 6,6days (80 caps/12). This seems pretty expensive to me 🙁

So would it be a good idea to buy it online? I'm from Belgium so the delivery cost

might become a lot, but maybe it will be cheaper than now. Anyone knows a good website with low delivery costs and good quality fish oil 😎 ?

PS. Is the percentage of EPA and DHA a good indicator for the quality of the caps?

Ah damn! I don't know any good sources where they could ship to belgium. What are the costs on bodybuilding.com? So many people use that site so I figure they should ship almost everywhere? Check it out.

Percentage generally does not indicate quality of the capsules, but just the quantity in them 🙂 Standard is 300 mg per 1 gram capsules generally

 

Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:

 

You have to look at the nutritional facts at the back and add the epa/dha to get the dosage of omega-3. One 1,ooo mg pill will have less omega-3. For instance, most brands come in 1,000mg pills but only contain about 300 mg of omega-3.

Its been a while since ive seen this thread, it seems this fish oil thing has really caught on, and rightly so, there are many good justifiable reasons for why it helps acne.

When i first started to take large doses of fish oil i became about 99% clear for three weeks straight(best ive ever felt), then for various reason which i attribute to dietary alterations, i would start to break out again, and then for whatever reason, i couldnt reproduce those results that i first got, so now im going to give it another shot.

So reason why it may have worked so well those first three weeks:

Low omega 6

Low sugar

Placebo effect

Carrot juice in combination with fish oil

brand(formulation) of fish oil the first brand i took had no added vitamin e.

Pure dumb luck!!

Ive actually just taken two accutane pills over the last week and i convinced myself that

It some serious shit, and most likely will not be taking it anymore as im not confident in its complete safty, which is also the reason why im trying to reproduce the results i got when i first started fish oil, im also going to try azelaic acid, differin and tazorac to try and control this disease. Ive been using tretinoin gel for some time now which helps but not enough.

and ive never actually quit taking fish oil so ive never doubted its health effects, ive only decreased my dosage after i decided that its effect was short term, but now it may be because of the above reasons.

Hey im glad your giving this another shot. I basically went through the same thing, but my period of great results last about 2 months until it fell off a bit recently and the last couple weeks i've been trying to figure out what changed because I refused to believe it was just gonna stop working now. I determined that you've absolutely gotta keep a good diet with this in order to see best results. Yes, you can probably ignore your diet and see small improvement just due to the inflammatory affect of the fish oil, but for best results you gotta have a good diet too. Not necessarily a really strict one, but you gotta watch you omega 6's...your balancing the pro-inflammatories with the anti-inflammatories...best results are gonna come when the anti-inflammatories outdo the pro. Sure enough after a couple days my face is steadily improving again and by next week I should be as good as ive ever been if not better.

Well, i've been taking 9g a day now (3 capsules after every meal) and my face looks fricking AMAZING.

I need less and less make-up each day now.........all the redness is my face is just gone. My skin tone seems alot more even too and just soooo much more hydrated. I still can't tell if it has done anything for my oil though, it seems about the same but I just finished accutane so my oil shouldn't break me out anyway.

I love this stuff! :dance:

Also, I did the research like you told me to Romeo but I couldn't really find anything that said not to take fish oil alongside saw palmetto........do you think taking both together would be fine?

That is really amazing to hear! I am glad it works for you, and you are digesting these well without any outside help (enzymes,probiotics).

In terms of saw palmetto, I don't really think it's necessary. Ask your doctor first, fish oil should pretty much cover hormonal imbalances to a good amount. But saw palmetto... I'm not too sure, that will be your call, or what your doc insists.

Also, how much omega 3 is there in each capsule? I think 300 mg right? So I am assuming you are getting 2.7 grams a day? That's a pretty good dose 🙂 I think anywhere in between 2 to 3 is conservative and effective. It's a good indicator of how you will respond to it too.

 

I bought 80 caps for 6,5$ today (I'm from Europe). It seems as if it's really expensive here.

It contains 33% EPA and 22%DHA. So when I take 6 caps, i'll get 1,65g of O3. In fact i wanna take 12 caps a day, so that I would get 3,3g of O3. But this would mean I would be able to use the box of fish oil for 6,6days (80 caps/12). This seems pretty expensive to me 🙁

So would it be a good idea to buy it online? I'm from Belgium so the delivery cost

might become a lot, but maybe it will be cheaper than now. Anyone knows a good website with low delivery costs and good quality fish oil 😎 ?

PS. Is the percentage of EPA and DHA a good indicator for the quality of the caps?

Ah damn! I don't know any good sources where they could ship to belgium. What are the costs on bodybuilding.com? So many people use that site so I figure they should ship almost everywhere? Check it out.

Percentage generally does not indicate quality of the capsules, but just the quantity in them 🙂 Standard is 300 mg per 1 gram capsules generally

 

Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:

 

You have to look at the nutritional facts at the back and add the epa/dha to get the dosage of omega-3. One 1,ooo mg pill will have less omega-3. For instance, most brands come in 1,000mg pills but only contain about 300 mg of omega-3.

 

You are taking 2.7 grams a day. 🙂 That would be nice though to get 9 grams from 9 capsules. 😀

As for your theory you need to define very accurately what a hard gainer is before we can even begin to associate it with acne. so lets try.

im familiar with term and generally implies you dont readiliy put on muscle mass when compared to another body type.

so in essence your ability to synthesize amino acids into new muscle fibers has something to do with overactive sebaceous glands? to connect those two events sounds unlikely but anything is possible, i just dont think your Question is well defined enough.

you also suggest your ability to gain is very much related to your ability to absorb nutrients which sounds somewhat true, but you would first have to prove somehow that you are not absorbing as much as the next person, only then can you begin to base a conclusion on this premise. false premise usually never infers to a true conclusion.

Thanks for your reply AutonomousOne. Let me give a shot at defining this -- and hardgainer may have been an inappropriate term. I suppose what I'm describing is:

A person that, even when consuming an average (say, 2000 calorie) diet, has a weight that is significantly below average for their height, eliminating all variables such as exercise and lifestyle. That is, their "natural weight" is significantly below average.

Now, you're absolutely right, a lot comes into play with this, because a lot of things define a person's weight. Bone mass, I'm sure, is one thing. I'm fairly thin and long-boned, so I'm sure that contributes to me being "underweight" for my height. Perhaps smaller bone mass is part of the definition of a hardgainer, perhaps not. I'm not really sure.

I may actually be misusing the term "hardgainer" here, so please excuse me if this is the case, but I had never considered confining the definition of a hardgainer only to muscle mass. In my mind a hardgainer puts on neither fat nor bone mass as readily either.

They simply don't seem gain any type of weight as readily, almost as if their body is not making as much overall use of the fuel (food) it is supplied as compared with other (let's say average) people.

Anyway, operating on this more general definition of a "hardgainer" rather than confining it only to a muscle building deficiency, I felt a bit more comfortable making a broader connection to an overall nutrient deficiency problem or overall metabolism issue. A deficiency or metabolic issue that could possibly also have an impact on skin health. Do you see sort of where I'm trying to go with this?

I admit, it is a somewhat tenuous connection to make. I feel that there are a disproportionately large amount of underweight acne suffers, but I may just be seeing patterns where I want to see them. It wouldn't be the first time, heh.

That's what I'd like to get a handle on if possible. But you're right, the definition is very important. Does this clarify things?

 

oh yea this clarifys it a bit, and its something people have said before, its the "why do fat people tend to have clearer skin?when compared to skinnier people" and from my observations and others observations there has always been a general connection between naturally skinny people as opposed to naturally fat people, this could also be just because of pure chance as well, all the fatter people with acne just might not be walking around as much!!so we see less of them, but as a tentative general observation, and just for spitballing theories, we can momentarily assume this to be the case.

But i still dont believe a difference in metabolism means you are getting less vitamins and nutrients due to absorbtion, and i dont know enough about metabolic body types to even begin thinking about how it relates to acne, Except for possibly genetic differences in dealing with excess cholesterol, which is theory i also developed supported by various scientific studies, basically acne could be our bodys way of getting rid of excess cholesterol, as sebum is fatty acids also known to be serum derived(from the blood stream exogenously) and there is a study that correlated higher total serum cholesterol with acne severity, and there was another study done on like 1400 acne patients where they found about 90% of them to be deficient in a component of hdl cholesterol called apolipoprotein a1 what this does is collect excess cholesterol from cells that excrete it and shuttle it to the liver to be excreted in the bowels. which is interesting because of past theories of acne being related to liver function) but could also just be purely coincidental.And another study found that acne patients have like a 40% reduced risk of heart attack due to lack of athersclerosis(fatty plaque buildup in the arteries) So in essence our skinny bodys may excrete this excess cholesterol through our skin, while other body types store it as body fat or get rid of it the right way through the bowels via the liver. But how that relates to the body types ability to also gain muscle could be related to the fact they have more body fat readily burned as energy and could more easily be in a positive nitrogen balance for an anabolic state.

And this is all also related to fish oil as well because generally speaking it is supposed to turn the bodys fat burning genes on as opposed to its fat storing genes, Which i think are the ppar receptors which are activated with various eicosanoids made from essential fatty acids such as o3's from fish oil.

Its been a while since ive seen this thread, it seems this fish oil thing has really caught on, and rightly so, there are many good justifiable reasons for why it helps acne.

When i first started to take large doses of fish oil i became about 99% clear for three weeks straight(best ive ever felt), then for various reason which i attribute to dietary alterations, i would start to break out again, and then for whatever reason, i couldnt reproduce those results that i first got, so now im going to give it another shot.

So reason why it may have worked so well those first three weeks:

Low omega 6

Low sugar

Placebo effect

Carrot juice in combination with fish oil

brand(formulation) of fish oil the first brand i took had no added vitamin e.

Pure dumb luck!!

Ive actually just taken two accutane pills over the last week and i convinced myself that

It some serious shit, and most likely will not be taking it anymore as im not confident in its complete safty, which is also the reason why im trying to reproduce the results i got when i first started fish oil, im also going to try azelaic acid, differin and tazorac to try and control this disease. Ive been using tretinoin gel for some time now which helps but not enough.

and ive never actually quit taking fish oil so ive never doubted its health effects, ive only decreased my dosage after i decided that its effect was short term, but now it may be because of the above reasons.

Hey im glad your giving this another shot. I basically went through the same thing, but my period of great results last about 2 months until it fell off a bit recently and the last couple weeks i've been trying to figure out what changed because I refused to believe it was just gonna stop working now. I determined that you've absolutely gotta keep a good diet with this in order to see best results. Yes, you can probably ignore your diet and see small improvement just due to the inflammatory affect of the fish oil, but for best results you gotta have a good diet too. Not necessarily a really strict one, but you gotta watch you omega 6's...your balancing the pro-inflammatories with the anti-inflammatories...best results are gonna come when the anti-inflammatories outdo the pro. Sure enough after a couple days my face is steadily improving again and by next week I should be as good as ive ever been if not better.

 

Yes, i also could not ignore the intitial results i got with fish oil, it was the only supplement ive ever taken that had any real effect on my skin, and my overall health.

Ive made a new discovery last night that works in a similar concept to fish oil. First, fish oil is known to make eicosanoids that bind to ppar receptors and bind to the rxr receptors to influence genetic transcription, it has been proven through studies that ppars can also regulate sebaceous gland excretion and are now being targeted as a new approach for skin diseases like psoriasis and acne.

The discovery was that phytol is a ppar alpha agonist

Phytol directly activates peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor alpha (PPARalpha) and regulates gene expression involved in lipid metabolism in PPARalpha-expressing HepG2 hepatocytes.Goto T, Takahashi N, Kato S, Egawa K, Ebisu S, Moriyama T, Fushiki T, Kawada T.

Laboratory of Molecular Function of Food, Division of Food Science and Biotechnology, Graduate School of Agriculture, Kyoto University, Uji, Japan.

The peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR) is one of the indispensable transcription factors for regulating lipid metabolism in various tissues. In our screening for natural compounds that activate PPAR using luciferase assays, a branched-carbon-chain alcohol (a component of chlorophylls), phytol, has been identified as a PPARalpha-specific activator. Phytol induced the increase in PPARalpha-dependent luciferase activity and the degree of in vitro binding of a coactivator, SRC-1, to GST-PPARalpha. Moreover, the addition of phytol upregulated the expression of PPARalpha-target genes at both mRNA and protein levels in PPARalpha-expressing HepG2 hepatocytes. These findings indicate that phytol is functional as a PPARalpha ligand and that it stimulates the expression of PPARalpha-target genes in intact cells. Because PPARalpha activation enhances circulating lipid clearance, phytol may be important in managing abnormalities in lipid metabolism.

PMID: 16202384

phytol is made from chlorophyll which is the green pigment in plants so here is a very good reason to be wolfing down salads every day, which ill be the first to admit is something i do all but twice a year honestly, so pitiful. As i do believe acne to be related to altered fat metabolism the ability of ppar activation to help fat metabolism is a connection that may be of some importance.

So i guess the plan would be eat salads every day and take fish oil, and severely limit o6 intake for the correction of acne.

I'm fairly new to this site and just came across this thread today. Add me to the list of people willing to give Fish Oil a chance. After reading much of this thread I come away with some hope of at least slowing down my oil production.

Many Thanks to Romeo, AutonomousOn and others for all the hard work and thought you put into thread. It's very appreciated!

some interesting connections between fish oil and the suns energy.

acne is a condition where there is a lack of cell homeostasis and stability, similar to cancer and is a path to death the only reason we continue to live is because our cells have stability or homeostasis.

the sun is the source of all life processes and without it there is no life, fish accumulate omega 3 fatty acids by eating algea which is green from the sun, we in effect eat the fish or any other animal that is fed from plants fueled by the sun, epa from fish oil is known to make eicosanoids which bind to ppars and influence genes in a way that promotes cellular homeostasis.

This is the machinery of the energy conversion from the sun that supports all life, so the lesson is eat your greens everyday eat your fish oil and quite possibly you will be getting the power of the sun to support your life system and maintaining the stability of the organism that is you.

Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:

lol, no silly. Look on the back. Add up the epa and dha, it will come out to 300 mg. So you are getting 2.7 grams of omega 3 in a 9 gram fish oil dosage. 🙂 Make sense?

Uuuum, actually my capsules are 1,000mg each.....so i've been getting a total of 9g a day. :shifty:

lol, no silly. Look on the back. Add up the epa and dha, it will come out to 300 mg. So you are getting 2.7 grams of omega 3 in a 9 gram fish oil dosage. 🙂 Make sense?

 

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!

*blonde moment* :wall:

Um, well, am I taking a good amount then? Or take even more? 😆