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Actually, after a little more reading, Evening Primrose Oil and Starflower Oil are also good sources of GLA. But I remember someone telling me that Evening Primrose Oil can inhibit Omega 3 ability? Or was that interfering with how Green Tea Extracts work?! I'm starting to loose track!Helen
Borage oil is better than EPO for a few reasons
Here's an example (from puritan's pride website):
Borage Oil:
Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA) 240 mg **
Linoleic Acid (LA) 360 mg **
Evening Prim Rose Oil:
Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)45 mg **
Linoleic Acid (LA)365 mg **
LA is bad, so if you are taking a source with bad fats to get your GLA's, you want to make the most of it. So Borage contains a significant amount more in GLA's than Evening Prim Rose Oil 🙂 And yes, more omega 6 (LA) the worse.
nope, winter just starting over here in SA. i would'nt mind eating fish every night, but from what i have read, no fish is safe, ... something about the americans and mecury pollution of the sea..., or something, hehe! just a joke. Romeo, what is your diet like. i had a look at the breakdown on nutritiondata.com, and most foods, except for fish, contains, on average, + 10 times more O6 than O3. shocking. so how do you maintain the 1:1.Yup, all foods contain lots more o6. But gladly with a healthy diet, I only get 2.2ish grams of o6 (I eat the same things daily except the weekends). I mostly eat cereals, whole grains, and egg whites and lentils.
So with my o3 intake, I eclipse it greatly, and faster results follow. :think:
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Helen,
Great article. I also notice how nutritional deficiencies play a part:
Nutrient deficiencies including zinc, magnesium, vitamin C, B-6 and niacinI wonder if this is one of the reasons people have success with zinc and those vitamins, it may all boil down to this. Interesting. :think:
At least now if we don't have complete success with just omega 3's on their own, we can further add on to it by supplementing with these and see how much further it can help. Now it opens more opportunities in the future as well.
Exactly, I was thinking that this would be something Dan may be interested in researching for one of his products. It might be well worth his while producing supplements that provide you with the perfect combination of all of the above, with GLA and Omega 3 in there too. Or at least us being able to put together a list or guide of the supplements that you should start with, and if you have little success, an order of things that you should add to your personalised supplement menu. Now I've found this information, where do I start with adding supplements? Do you think I should start taking GLA with zinc and vitamins, or just try the GLA on it's own?!!
Helen
Actually, after a little more reading, Evening Primrose Oil and Starflower Oil are also good sources of GLA. But I remember someone telling me that Evening Primrose Oil can inhibit Omega 3 ability? Or was that interfering with how Green Tea Extracts work?! I'm starting to loose track!Helen
just remember, that some people can not convert the above oils into EPA / DHA. i would just stick to the fish oil for now.
Borage oil is better than EPO for a few reasonsHere's an example (from puritan's pride website):
Borage Oil:
Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA) 240 mg **
Linoleic Acid (LA) 360 mg **
Evening Prim Rose Oil:
Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)45 mg **
Linoleic Acid (LA)365 mg **
LA is bad, so if you are taking a source with bad fats to get your GLA's, you want to make the most of it. So Borage contains a significant amount more in GLA's than Evening Prim Rose Oil 🙂 And yes, more omega 6 (LA) the worse.
So, basically, we cannot get a source of GLA without also supplementing with LA/Omega 6? Typical! Presumably, provided we supply our bodies with enough Omega 3 as well, then this combination should be a winner, and boost the amount of Omega 3 that our body is absorbing?
Actually, after a little more reading, Evening Primrose Oil and Starflower Oil are also good sources of GLA. But I remember someone telling me that Evening Primrose Oil can inhibit Omega 3 ability? Or was that interfering with how Green Tea Extracts work?! I'm starting to loose track!Helen
just remember, that some people can not convert the above oils into EPA / DHA. i would just stick to the fish oil for now.
But surely it's worth a shot? If I try it for a month and see what happens, would that not be the best experiment?
[quote name='NdnRomeo' post='1834616' date='May 2Exactly, I was thinking that this would be something Dan may be interested in researching for one of his products. It might be well worth his while producing supplements that provide you with the perfect combination of all of the above, with GLA and Omega 3 in there too. Or at least us being able to put together a list or guide of the supplements that you should start with, and if you have little success, an order of things that you should add to your personalised supplement menu. Now I've found this information, where do I start with adding supplements? Do you think I should start taking GLA with zinc and vitamins, or just try the GLA on it's own?!!
Helen
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Dan actually uses fish oil and zinc, but in less quantities than we do right now.
As for GLA's, it's not 100% necessary, it's optional and perhaps beneficial. Take a look at "Part 10: EFAs: Fish oil vs. GLAs (Borage Oil and Evening Prim Rose Oil)" in the first post. It would be good, but as long as you are getting your omega 3, that's the main goal. If you want to take both at the same time it may be beneficial, which I may eventually do down the line if omega 3's aren't enough. So it is definitely up to you.
If you do try it, let us know so we can see how good the combination is. The best three would be Omega 3's, Zinc, and GLA's. :think:
In terms of zinc, there are so many out there, I haven't looked into that yet either.
My main goal is trying to get clear with the least amount as possible, and slowly adding in more things that could help (since it gets pricey).
It would be cool if some of you guys could experiment with both GLAs (from borage oil) and o3's together and see what happens. I'm already combining o3 with something else right now so I can't, plus I've ended up spending lots of cash in the past 2 months so I am a bit limited. If any of you guys do, please keep updating.
Let me start by saying Good job with your research romeo & everyone else involved. I just started taking my fish oil softgels today, after keeping up with this thread for a few weeks. So, If i get my omega 3 to omega 6 ratio at a good level, can i lower my dosage and keep the results? Or am i gonna be taking these pills for the rest of life (assuming i'll always be acne ridden)
Thanks
If green tea cancels out the positive effects of fish oil, would it make a difference if you just didn't take them at the same time? say take fish oil, wait 4 hours and then take green tea extract? or would it still interfere and burn the good fats away?
I am not too sure, but possibly. If you do decide to do both, that would be the best, 4 hours apart from them.
Let me start by saying Good job with your research romeo & everyone else involved. I just started taking my fish oil softgels today, after keeping up with this thread for a few weeks. So, If i get my omega 3 to omega 6 ratio at a good level, can i lower my dosage and keep the results? Or am i gonna be taking these pills for the rest of life (assuming i'll always be acne ridden)Thanks
Yes, eventually you can pretty much lower your dosage. But till then, it must stay high.
This in theory of course, but the way it's going on track, this is it.
i would just like to say that this thread seems unecessarily too long and the posts have become repetitve regurtitations of previous posts.
you could easily delete 40 pages and not lose anything of value.
perhpas the first page isnt clear enough? because then most of the same questions and confusion could be clarified by refering people to the first post?
just a thought.
i would just like to say that this thread seems unecessarily too long and the posts have become repetitve regurtitations of previous posts.you could easily delete 40 pages and not lose anything of value.
perhpas the first page isnt clear enough? because then most of the same questions and confusion could be clarified by refering people to the first post?
just a thought.
Yeah, it's getting pretty robotic now. I wonder if they even care to read or they just go straight to asking :think:
with EXTREME amounts of fish oil your clot time increases. I just dont see more than 3 grams being useful.
You are correct, excessive amounts are not necessary considering it is a relative amount. If your diet has 4 grams + of o6's, then that much o3's is not in excess. I've been monitoring how well I clot and so far it's still pretty fine. As long as you eventually correct your imbalance, then that's all that matters no matter how much you take =) Some will probably get to it a bit faster, but in the end it's the same result. As long as you aren't in a deficit in how much you are ingesting.
i would just like to say that this thread seems unecessarily too long and the posts have become repetitve regurtitations of previous posts.you could easily delete 40 pages and not lose anything of value.
perhpas the first page isnt clear enough? because then most of the same questions and confusion could be clarified by refering people to the first post?
just a thought.
Yeah, it's getting pretty robotic now. I wonder if they even care to read or they just go straight to asking :think:
Yeah, I can't keep up with this thread much anymore either. I'd suggest just start refering people to the first post rather than answering the same damn question (you must be going insane!). Its cool if there's questions afterwards, but I don't think anyone is bothering to read the first post.
Another thing to think about, is that grains especially refined grains have greatly increase your Omega 6 intake, and can throw off the balance. So in addition to taking fish oil, it might be good to reduce your cereal grain intake.
I have asked before about Cod Liver Oil, and nobody thought it was a good idea, I would like to add that Cod Liver Oil is a good source of Vitamin A+D and Omega 3 fatty acids, all of which may improve acne. So if you are considering taking fish oil, consider taking cod liver oil.
this was asked in the other thread...can you take fish oil and ACV at the same time? does it cancel each other out? or no
Ive been doing both for a while now, and as a matter of fact I think I saw my biggest improvement after I added the ACV. I'd recommend it though I cant be sure of what really goes on in the body with this stuff...I highly doubt that it hinders the fish oil enough to make a big difference, if it does at all. If your not sure then only have like 1 tbspn a day....thats enough to help a little but not hurt if it indeed does, know what I mean?
i would just like to say that this thread seems unecessarily too long and the posts have become repetitve regurtitations of previous posts.you could easily delete 40 pages and not lose anything of value.
perhpas the first page isnt clear enough? because then most of the same questions and confusion could be clarified by refering people to the first post?
just a thought.
Yeah, it's getting pretty robotic now. I wonder if they even care to read or they just go straight to asking :think:
Yeah, I can't keep up with this thread much anymore either. I'd suggest just start refering people to the first post rather than answering the same damn question (you must be going insane!). Its cool if there's questions afterwards, but I don't think anyone is bothering to read the first post.
I will do that, good idea. And yes, lol, it is a little arduous.
Another thing to think about, is that grains especially refined grains have greatly increase your Omega 6 intake, and can throw off the balance. So in addition to taking fish oil, it might be good to reduce your cereal grain intake.I have asked before about Cod Liver Oil, and nobody thought it was a good idea, I would like to add that Cod Liver Oil is a good source of Vitamin A+D and Omega 3 fatty acids, all of which may improve acne. So if you are considering taking fish oil, consider taking cod liver oil.
Check out the section on cod liver oil on the first post. You will OD on vitamin A and D if you take that much cod liver oil to get enough omega 3, but as an addition it's great, just not a replacement.
i would just like to say that this thread seems unecessarily too long and the posts have become repetitve regurtitations of previous posts.you could easily delete 40 pages and not lose anything of value.
perhpas the first page isnt clear enough? because then most of the same questions and confusion could be clarified by refering people to the first post?
just a thought.
Yeah, it's getting pretty robotic now. I wonder if they even care to read or they just go straight to asking :think:
Yeah, I can't keep up with this thread much anymore either. I'd suggest just start refering people to the first post rather than answering the same damn question (you must be going insane!). Its cool if there's questions afterwards, but I don't think anyone is bothering to read the first post.
I will do that, good idea. And yes, lol, it is a little arduous.
Another thing to think about, is that grains especially refined grains have greatly increase your Omega 6 intake, and can throw off the balance. So in addition to taking fish oil, it might be good to reduce your cereal grain intake.I have asked before about Cod Liver Oil, and nobody thought it was a good idea, I would like to add that Cod Liver Oil is a good source of Vitamin A+D and Omega 3 fatty acids, all of which may improve acne. So if you are considering taking fish oil, consider taking cod liver oil.
Check out the section on cod liver oil on the first post. You will OD on vitamin A and D if you take that much cod liver oil to get enough omega 3, but as an addition it's great, just not a replacement.
I think you'd really need to take A LOT to OD, but it doesn't hurt to be safe. I've been taking both, cod liver oil and regular fish oil. For example, for Carlson's cod liver oil, 1 tsp has 1100 - 1250 mg of omega 3, 10% daily value of vitamin A and vitamin D 100%. I take 2 tsp of this but could probably take more (I need the vitamin D since I don't eat dairy), I also then take 1 or 2 tsp then of regular fish oil.
Can anyone suggest some good things to eat for Breakfast? I've been eating Quaker Instant Oatmeal pretty much every morning for the past few months and now I find out that this has alot of Omega 6 in it. Just looking for alternatives
Chicken of the Sea Tuna. Look for the small cans which have a Omega 3 symbol on the side. It actually has a little over 300mg of Omega 3 in each can.
Can anyone suggest some good things to eat for Breakfast? I've been eating Quaker Instant Oatmeal pretty much every morning for the past few months and now I find out that this has alot of Omega 6 in it. Just looking for alternatives
If it makes you feel any better, I eat quaker oatmeal squares and you are right, it has about 600 mg I believe of omega 6, but besides that I have an apple and milk. But with each meal I take in 1.2 grams of omega 3 so it's pretty good still. As long as you come out with more o3's on top it's good, so just remember that when you add everything up.
But you are correct, we should be looking for really low o6 foods.
If you want some really good low o6 foods for breakfast, try egg whites! It has 0 of each. And fruits :). One of my meals is actually 3 egg whites, cheese, chipolte sauce and two wheat toasts. Then 4 o3 pills and some water and an apple. Good stuff =)
I think you'd really need to take A LOT to OD, but it doesn't hurt to be safe. I've been taking both, cod liver oil and regular fish oil. For example, for Carlson's cod liver oil, 1 tsp has 1100 - 1250 mg of omega 3, 10% daily value of vitamin A and vitamin D 100%. I take 2 tsp of this but could probably take more (I need the vitamin D since I don't eat dairy), I also then take 1 or 2 tsp then of regular fish oil.
You are correct, I'm sorry.
That's a good idea. Another note, what are some natural sources of vitamin A and do most people get enough in their diet? I know I get lots of D daily from dairy. Plus as you said, since you don't get D since you don't take dairy, it's a great source then! It's perfect for your diet, fits right in there. Do you take it with a source of fat? Since A is fat soluble
you're telling him to eat canned tuna every morning ?
Show me where I told him to eat it every single morning..
I SUGGESTED it as one of the things he can eat for breakfast, since it is a great source of prtoein and omega 3. I never said he has to eat it every morning lol. But I do 🙂